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On February 06 2012 20:03 Tunkeg wrote:Show nested quote +On February 06 2012 19:50 Tobberoth wrote:On February 06 2012 19:36 Tunkeg wrote:On February 06 2012 19:26 DoctorHelvetica wrote:On February 06 2012 19:25 Tunkeg wrote:On February 06 2012 19:08 DoctorHelvetica wrote:On February 06 2012 19:04 Cyber_Cheese wrote:On February 06 2012 19:01 DoctorHelvetica wrote:
This would be a good example of that. Because Batman wins off lynches, it doesn't benefit for him to work actively against us. Point out the guy you think is Hugo, don't hand over the vig to Batman. Trading the Joker for a 100% Joker kill that night/day is a good trade. Why would we out Joker to help a third party that has to help us anyway when we can keep our vig potentially for a couple days at least? That's not a good plan. He doesn't gain powers from killing Joker, it's just part of his win condition. If we don't hand the joker over, Batman has to guess who he is, and has a reason to shoot townies. And why would he not shoot townies looking for Hugo? On "honor"? He can't claim so we can't hold him to it and he doesn't care if we win or not. He's going to either DT or shoot every night based on his preferences regardless of whether or not he hits Joker early or not. It will take him a bit out of the game sooner, but isn't this irrelevant considering no one is supposedly allowed to roleclaim anyway? I disagree. If Batman gets Joker early on he have no reason to just go hit hit hit. Him just hitting blindly after getting one of his target may just whittle down one of the allignement to a point where Batman may risk: A: Getting daylynch (chance increase when number of remaining players decrease) B: One side winning (causing Batman to lose if he have lynched Hugo, but not Joker and town winning, or if he have lynched Joker, but not Hugo and scum winning). So Batmans should hit hit hit until he gets one of the targets (or one side is getting low) and then he MUST DT, that is optimal for Batman IMO. That's why he shouldn't hit hit hit at all but use his DT power and only hit when he has a match. That is the safest way to play the role for the exact reasons you claim. There's no reason to give up the Joker Day 1 when we don't even know what Batmans going to do and I can tell you already if he's a smart player he's going to use the DT I agree Batman should DT mid to late game. But for the first 2-3 nights he should just hit. I belive that trading the Joker for either getting Batman to be on the townside or getting Hugo killed (if that happends very soon after Joker death) is a good deal for town. As I have said before, if Batman gets Joker he can pretty much play a very pro-town standard game, as he then basicly wins with town, and he only loses by scum winning or him getting lynched. He will then push pro-town lynches all the way until he gets Hugo, as he he can't be lynched by night, and playing pro-town (even revealing some of his DT checks as XX is town, or YY is scum basicly softclaiming DT) so he won't get lynched by town during the day. Shouldn't it be the other way around? In the first days, there's little to go on, so all his hits will be blind and he'll just lower the amount of players for nothing since he doesn't know what he will hit. Sounds to me like a better idea to use the safe period of the early game to DT and get a feel for what players he needs to hit/not hit later. If Batman hits players randomly in the first few days, there's a risk he'll kill of scums which is bad for him since it gives the town a much better chance to kill off the scum before Batman gets the joker. Later in the game, discussions have probably led to clues so he can more easily hit townies directly when looking for the joker. Seems to me that by logic, batman should be most dangerous for townies the later we get in the game without joker being killed, while it should be decently safe early on. Well, both your way, Dr H's way and my way might all be viable strategies for Batman, it depends on many things though. My way: Early hits is pretty safe for Batman as both factions are far from elimination. Therefor my logic is that he might as well just hit and try his luck instead of DT the ones he suspects and then later hit them. Dr H's way: DT all the way until he finds his targets. Secure that Batman don't help any faction, and is the safer option as he won't whittle away any of the factions. It might take longer for Batman to secure his objectives compared to my way, but it is definatly safer. Your way: DT early and hit late makes Batmans hit more accurate as he have less people to chose from. But this is the most risky strat of it all for Batman IMO. Cause if Batman misshit lategame he might just end the game. Well, now I have rambled on long enough about the Joker claim thing. I think all of you know where I stand and why. Unless someone want me to clarify more on my stance I will just leave this for now, so other topics may be discussed or others might put in their two cents on the Joker claim thing.
I'm voting for you because of this quote:
Well, both your way, Dr H's way and my way might all be viable strategies for Batman, it depends on many things though.
No way you're that wishy washy if you're convinced your plan is pro-town, especially when it concerns the life of a blue? You're just distancing yourself from the heat now. I'm voting for you Day 1, I was gonna vote for Kpach because we need to stop letting him get away with this "hehe im just dumb i always claim green day 1  im not mafia just stupid" act he does in every single game, but that just really rustles my jimmies right there. Vaguest empty statement I've seen in this game so far.
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On February 06 2012 21:45 Adam4167 wrote:
All this setup piffle is useless and counterproductive. Both sides can post filler about the setup. Let power roles make their own judgement calls, let the night actions unfold as they do, and spend your time doing something that will actually lead to scum kills, like prodding people or reading filters. In the spirit of that:
Kurumi, you soft-defend Schworz twice in a single post, also indicate that vigi's should avoid him and the rest of your post is basic setup waffle. I don't remember you being this wishy-washy in TL50 either, with statements like 'I find it funny that...' and 'I just ponder', you sure come off that way now. What are you playing at?
Tobberoth, you say you're considering a vote on Kenpachi, yet you want to wait until 'discussion comes up later in the day'. This comes off as quite passive and almost like you're waiting for a bandwagon to pickup speed before you seal the deal. Why not just vote him now if you find him suspicious, as you claim, then move it later as more information presents itself?
Ico, policy lynches are retarded... just no.
Jaybrundage, I know you haven't even posted yet, but we've never been the same team. Don't see why this game would be any different. Have my vote!
##Vote: jaybrundage
And we have another herp derp poster. You are making your own case. Only scum knows whether someone is on their team by now. So you are either scum or stupid townie. In each case you are a threat to town.
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On February 06 2012 21:54 Palmar wrote:Show nested quote +On February 06 2012 21:42 Toadesstern wrote:On February 06 2012 21:26 Palmar wrote:Why no pms  You guys are boring. I propose this plan. Tomorrow I will announce the dumbest/useless/bad thing said in the thread, and we lynch that person as a punishment. are you planning on playing seriously this time or trollish again? Last time doing that got you killed, the game before that you killed a townie (with a little help from v7) and both are nice excuses for you this time after all. Mafia palmar could easily say "hey looky guyses: I did this the last two games as well, me pro-troll = me town!". I'd like you to help town without playing your side games to spicen things up. I had nothing to do with killing Soap, stop lying. V7 being dumb is not my fault.
That's not what I'm asking. I just want to know if I should look forward to your analyses or if there's not going to be something.
If you're not willing to play the usual palmar style I have to try and figure you out somehow else and you'de be someone like Kenpachi for me.
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On February 06 2012 21:57 DoctorHelvetica wrote:Show nested quote +On February 06 2012 20:03 Tunkeg wrote:On February 06 2012 19:50 Tobberoth wrote:On February 06 2012 19:36 Tunkeg wrote:On February 06 2012 19:26 DoctorHelvetica wrote:On February 06 2012 19:25 Tunkeg wrote:On February 06 2012 19:08 DoctorHelvetica wrote:On February 06 2012 19:04 Cyber_Cheese wrote:On February 06 2012 19:01 DoctorHelvetica wrote:
This would be a good example of that. Because Batman wins off lynches, it doesn't benefit for him to work actively against us. Point out the guy you think is Hugo, don't hand over the vig to Batman. Trading the Joker for a 100% Joker kill that night/day is a good trade. Why would we out Joker to help a third party that has to help us anyway when we can keep our vig potentially for a couple days at least? That's not a good plan. He doesn't gain powers from killing Joker, it's just part of his win condition. If we don't hand the joker over, Batman has to guess who he is, and has a reason to shoot townies. And why would he not shoot townies looking for Hugo? On "honor"? He can't claim so we can't hold him to it and he doesn't care if we win or not. He's going to either DT or shoot every night based on his preferences regardless of whether or not he hits Joker early or not. It will take him a bit out of the game sooner, but isn't this irrelevant considering no one is supposedly allowed to roleclaim anyway? I disagree. If Batman gets Joker early on he have no reason to just go hit hit hit. Him just hitting blindly after getting one of his target may just whittle down one of the allignement to a point where Batman may risk: A: Getting daylynch (chance increase when number of remaining players decrease) B: One side winning (causing Batman to lose if he have lynched Hugo, but not Joker and town winning, or if he have lynched Joker, but not Hugo and scum winning). So Batmans should hit hit hit until he gets one of the targets (or one side is getting low) and then he MUST DT, that is optimal for Batman IMO. That's why he shouldn't hit hit hit at all but use his DT power and only hit when he has a match. That is the safest way to play the role for the exact reasons you claim. There's no reason to give up the Joker Day 1 when we don't even know what Batmans going to do and I can tell you already if he's a smart player he's going to use the DT I agree Batman should DT mid to late game. But for the first 2-3 nights he should just hit. I belive that trading the Joker for either getting Batman to be on the townside or getting Hugo killed (if that happends very soon after Joker death) is a good deal for town. As I have said before, if Batman gets Joker he can pretty much play a very pro-town standard game, as he then basicly wins with town, and he only loses by scum winning or him getting lynched. He will then push pro-town lynches all the way until he gets Hugo, as he he can't be lynched by night, and playing pro-town (even revealing some of his DT checks as XX is town, or YY is scum basicly softclaiming DT) so he won't get lynched by town during the day. Shouldn't it be the other way around? In the first days, there's little to go on, so all his hits will be blind and he'll just lower the amount of players for nothing since he doesn't know what he will hit. Sounds to me like a better idea to use the safe period of the early game to DT and get a feel for what players he needs to hit/not hit later. If Batman hits players randomly in the first few days, there's a risk he'll kill of scums which is bad for him since it gives the town a much better chance to kill off the scum before Batman gets the joker. Later in the game, discussions have probably led to clues so he can more easily hit townies directly when looking for the joker. Seems to me that by logic, batman should be most dangerous for townies the later we get in the game without joker being killed, while it should be decently safe early on. Well, both your way, Dr H's way and my way might all be viable strategies for Batman, it depends on many things though. My way: Early hits is pretty safe for Batman as both factions are far from elimination. Therefor my logic is that he might as well just hit and try his luck instead of DT the ones he suspects and then later hit them. Dr H's way: DT all the way until he finds his targets. Secure that Batman don't help any faction, and is the safer option as he won't whittle away any of the factions. It might take longer for Batman to secure his objectives compared to my way, but it is definatly safer. Your way: DT early and hit late makes Batmans hit more accurate as he have less people to chose from. But this is the most risky strat of it all for Batman IMO. Cause if Batman misshit lategame he might just end the game. Well, now I have rambled on long enough about the Joker claim thing. I think all of you know where I stand and why. Unless someone want me to clarify more on my stance I will just leave this for now, so other topics may be discussed or others might put in their two cents on the Joker claim thing. I'm voting for you because of this quote: Show nested quote +Well, both your way, Dr H's way and my way might all be viable strategies for Batman, it depends on many things though. No way you're that wishy washy if you're convinced your plan is pro-town, especially when it concerns the life of a blue? You're just distancing yourself from the heat now. I'm voting for you Day 1, I was gonna vote for Kpach because we need to stop letting him get away with this "hehe im just dumb i always claim green day 1 im not mafia just stupid" act he does in every single game, but that just really rustles my jimmies right there. Vaguest empty statement I've seen in this game so far.
So you are voting me because I think Batman could do all these three things, and that I am contradicting myself by saying so? I am even saying in my post that I think my strat is best for Batman, yours are safest and Tobberoth most risky. My view on the Joker claim isn't wishy washy at all, I've said it many times that I think it is more pros than cons in having a Joker claim and death and a Batman who is scumhunting only.
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I'm not too comfortable with Sheth's posts - they were a little too agressive with a little too much filler for my liking. rg's posts were far scummier though. He attacked using reasoning provided by someone else [;us weirdness about RVS and this quote:
On February 06 2012 17:18 rgTheSchworz wrote:
I personally doubt that he's a blue trying to hide by claiming green, so scum know his role already.
Palmar, will you select one of your own posts as the "dumbest/useless/bad" posts of the day if necessary? Or perhaps even post reasoned opinions with their reasoning?
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Tunkeg, setup-discussion doesn´t help Town, takes too much time and energy from scumhunting, and allow scum to blend in. Instead, could you tell me what you think about the other players? What do you think about VE, Kenpachi, and rgTheSchworz?
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On February 06 2012 22:01 ico wrote:
And we have another herp derp poster. You are making your own case. Only scum knows whether someone is on their team by now. So you are either scum or stupid townie. In each case you are a threat to town.
You sir, are already posting garbage, that's 2 for 2.
I clearly have no idea what team he is on, nor was my vote serious in any capacity.
We here to lynch scum, not 'stupid' townies.
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You didn't mention the joker claim in "my way" you just said batman should shoot the first few days which is completely anti-town as it is. Your plan is anti-town but you're not willing to commit to it, that's why I'm voting for you. I don't even have a plan I'm just pointing out the flaws in Cyber_Cheese's grand scheme. If Batman has any sense and other people have already pointed out that it makes even less sense for him to use his KP earlier than later.
On February 06 2012 22:01 ico wrote:Show nested quote +On February 06 2012 21:45 Adam4167 wrote:
All this setup piffle is useless and counterproductive. Both sides can post filler about the setup. Let power roles make their own judgement calls, let the night actions unfold as they do, and spend your time doing something that will actually lead to scum kills, like prodding people or reading filters. In the spirit of that:
Kurumi, you soft-defend Schworz twice in a single post, also indicate that vigi's should avoid him and the rest of your post is basic setup waffle. I don't remember you being this wishy-washy in TL50 either, with statements like 'I find it funny that...' and 'I just ponder', you sure come off that way now. What are you playing at?
Tobberoth, you say you're considering a vote on Kenpachi, yet you want to wait until 'discussion comes up later in the day'. This comes off as quite passive and almost like you're waiting for a bandwagon to pickup speed before you seal the deal. Why not just vote him now if you find him suspicious, as you claim, then move it later as more information presents itself?
Ico, policy lynches are retarded... just no.
Jaybrundage, I know you haven't even posted yet, but we've never been the same team. Don't see why this game would be any different. Have my vote!
##Vote: jaybrundage And we have another herp derp poster. You are making your own case. Only scum knows whether someone is on their team by now. So you are either scum or stupid townie. In each case you are a threat to town.
I don't know if this is OMGUS or a horrible horrible misunderstanding of what Adam posted. Hopefully it's not a language barrier issue. He didn't seriously claim he knows what team anyone is on, he's using the random vote which is viable this early in the game and making a lighthearted joke about it. That's really not scummy.
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On February 06 2012 22:10 -_-Quails wrote:I'm not too comfortable with Sheth's posts - they were a little too agressive with a little too much filler for my liking. rg's posts were far scummier though. He attacked using reasoning provided by someone else [;us weirdness about RVS and this quote: Show nested quote +On February 06 2012 17:18 rgTheSchworz wrote:
I personally doubt that he's a blue trying to hide by claiming green, so scum know his role already. Palmar, will you select one of your own posts as the "dumbest/useless/bad" posts of the day if necessary? Or perhaps even post reasoned opinions with their reasoning?
I am not dumb, therefore I'm automatically not a candidate.
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I'm used to people claiming or fake-claiming all kinds of roles day 1, and to the only useful thing to come out of the claims being the reaction/overreaction of other players. Reactions seemed to be far more telling than the claims themselves (on one occasion, all scum were lynched off the back of one overreacting to a fakeclaim of dayvig).
Seems the playstyle here doesn't have that though.
On February 06 2012 22:14 Palmar wrote:
I am not dumb, therefore I'm automatically not a candidate.
Smart people post dumb things all the time. Real opinions please.
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On February 06 2012 22:14 DoctorHelvetica wrote:You didn't mention the joker claim in "my way" you just said batman should shoot the first few days which is completely anti-town as it is. Your plan is anti-town but you're not willing to commit to it, that's why I'm voting for you. I don't even have a plan I'm just pointing out the flaws in Cyber_Cheese's grand scheme. If Batman has any sense and other people have already pointed out that it makes even less sense for him to use his KP earlier than later. Show nested quote +On February 06 2012 22:01 ico wrote:On February 06 2012 21:45 Adam4167 wrote:
All this setup piffle is useless and counterproductive. Both sides can post filler about the setup. Let power roles make their own judgement calls, let the night actions unfold as they do, and spend your time doing something that will actually lead to scum kills, like prodding people or reading filters. In the spirit of that:
Kurumi, you soft-defend Schworz twice in a single post, also indicate that vigi's should avoid him and the rest of your post is basic setup waffle. I don't remember you being this wishy-washy in TL50 either, with statements like 'I find it funny that...' and 'I just ponder', you sure come off that way now. What are you playing at?
Tobberoth, you say you're considering a vote on Kenpachi, yet you want to wait until 'discussion comes up later in the day'. This comes off as quite passive and almost like you're waiting for a bandwagon to pickup speed before you seal the deal. Why not just vote him now if you find him suspicious, as you claim, then move it later as more information presents itself?
Ico, policy lynches are retarded... just no.
Jaybrundage, I know you haven't even posted yet, but we've never been the same team. Don't see why this game would be any different. Have my vote!
##Vote: jaybrundage And we have another herp derp poster. You are making your own case. Only scum knows whether someone is on their team by now. So you are either scum or stupid townie. In each case you are a threat to town. I don't know if this is OMGUS or a horrible horrible misunderstanding of what Adam posted. Hopefully it's not a language barrier issue. He didn't seriously claim he knows what team anyone is on, he's using the random vote which is viable this early in the game and making a lighthearted joke about it. That's really not scummy.
You had a layout for optimal Batman play, and I had one as well (and my plan for Batman beeing antitown, yes it is, and anti scum as well, Batman is thrid party you know). I was not looking to explain Batman play from a town perspective, from a town perspective your layout is far the best, but I don't think Batman gives a rats ass about how town does it. He wants his to kills and thats it, he will use a strategy that is optimal for himself. Us giving him Joker would lead Batman to only play anti-scum.
Yeah, you try to point out the flaws, I try to point out what would be good about such a claim. I am sticking to my view on the Joker claim, where have I done anything else? If you say it is my "Batman plan" that is anti-town and I am not sticking to it, well I have allready said that Batman don't care if his play (night time choices) are anti-town, and I am saying I think my layout for Batman (from Batmans perspective) is the best. But I do not know what Batman will chose, and therefor I write that all three choices are viable strategies.
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On February 06 2012 22:14 Adam4167 wrote:
I clearly have no idea what team he is on, nor was my vote serious in any capacity.
We here to lynch scum, not 'stupid' townies.
On February 06 2012 22:14 DoctorHelvetica wrote:
I don't know if this is OMGUS or a horrible horrible misunderstanding of what Adam posted. Hopefully it's not a language barrier issue. He didn't seriously claim he knows what team anyone is on, he's using the random vote which is viable this early in the game and making a lighthearted joke about it. That's really not scummy.
It is way to early in day 1 to go for a random vote. The person Adam votes for has not even posted in the thread yet. I'd not care so much about it if it was close to the posting and voting deadline, which makes a random vote excusable, but still not desired.
Please note I have not put my vote on him yet, about ten people haven't even posted and day 1 still lasts for quite a while.
But I am seriously irritated by the fact that actions like day1 townclaim or early day 1 random votes are done at all and get defended by other posters.
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On February 06 2012 22:21 -_-Quails wrote:
##vote rgTheSchworz
Qualis, please explain your reasoning for voting for Schworz without mentioning it in here, especially since the only FoS I´ve seen from you is on Sheth.
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On February 06 2012 22:13 Forumite wrote:
Tunkeg, setup-discussion doesn´t help Town, takes too much time and energy from scumhunting, and allow scum to blend in. Instead, could you tell me what you think about the other players? What do you think about VE, Kenpachi, and rgTheSchworz?
Kenpachi and rgTS I think I said my view on in my opening post:
On February 06 2012 18:23 Tunkeg wrote:Batman/CatwomenAS DrH said so prematurely discussing Batman and Catwomen is a day 1 topic, which we shouldn't dwell to much on. Both (and Catwomen especially) getting lynched is good for town, especially if they are hitting each night instead of using their DT skill. But we will have a hard time knowing that they are a thirdparty, as any DT checks will show the role they chose to show, and Batman probably will look like any other townie/blue and Catwomen might apear more on the scummy side (from their posting). So I say lets just ignore the third parties for now and just scumhunt as usual, trying to hit red. Kenpachi townie claimHe does this every game, and it means nothing. I find it much much more suspicious that people are making a big deal out of this. And rgTS reason for voting for him is the thinnest reason I have ever seen. It is not scumhunting, it is not applying pressure, it is just plain distracting. Bill Murray's mass claimShow nested quote +On February 06 2012 15:52 Bill Murray wrote:
That being said, I want to massclaim. It really backs scum up into having to fake names. It's a video game/fictional universe, how many characters are there, or would I be surprised? Are you joking? Massclaiming in a semi-open set up like this? We know what roles might be in the game, but it is not likely every role is in the game. Scum might have gotten a few examples of what roles are in the game (or maybe all?), and could then easily just sit back and get one of their members to do a fake claim. This would make the whole massclaim thing only beneficial to scum as: A) The blueclaims wouldn't give confirmed townies. Or if town belive this to give confirmed townies, a scum is now suddenly confirmed townie. B) Scum, Batman and Catwomen now knows who to target at night. We would maybe lose as much as 5 blues in one night. The whole confirmed townie thing would just cost us alot of townies, and these "confirmed" townies will be dead before they get to do any impact on the game. This proposed massclaim make me suspect be either scum or thirdparty, as those are the only ones IMO who benefits from it. #FOS Bill Murray
But I don't really see why people are voting for either one of them as of now. Sure I don't agree on rgTS vote on kenpachi and his reasoning behind it (RnG and stuff), but to go from there to him beeing scum is a bit far fetched.
VE haven't posted more then one post thus far and I have no opinion on him what so ever.
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On February 06 2012 22:34 ico wrote:Show nested quote +On February 06 2012 22:14 Adam4167 wrote:
I clearly have no idea what team he is on, nor was my vote serious in any capacity.
We here to lynch scum, not 'stupid' townies. Show nested quote +On February 06 2012 22:14 DoctorHelvetica wrote:
I don't know if this is OMGUS or a horrible horrible misunderstanding of what Adam posted. Hopefully it's not a language barrier issue. He didn't seriously claim he knows what team anyone is on, he's using the random vote which is viable this early in the game and making a lighthearted joke about it. That's really not scummy. It is way to early in day 1 to go for a random vote. The person Adam votes for has not even posted in the thread yet. I'd not care so much about it if it was close to the posting and voting deadline, which makes a random vote excusable, but still not desired. Please note I have not put my vote on him yet, about ten people haven't even posted and day 1 still lasts for quite a while. But I am seriously irritated by the fact that actions like day1 townclaim or early day 1 random votes are done at all and get defended by other posters.
Yeah, it's pretty normal in fact I think at mafiascum town usually even declares a random voting stage and they are much better players than TL players so I don't see what you're getting at
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On February 06 2012 21:45 Adam4167 wrote:
All this setup piffle is useless and counterproductive. Both sides can post filler about the setup. Let power roles make their own judgement calls, let the night actions unfold as they do, and spend your time doing something that will actually lead to scum kills, like prodding people or reading filters. In the spirit of that:
Kurumi, you soft-defend Schworz twice in a single post, also indicate that vigi's should avoid him and the rest of your post is basic setup waffle. I don't remember you being this wishy-washy in TL50 either, with statements like 'I find it funny that...' and 'I just ponder', you sure come off that way now. What are you playing at?
Tobberoth, you say you're considering a vote on Kenpachi, yet you want to wait until 'discussion comes up later in the day'. This comes off as quite passive and almost like you're waiting for a bandwagon to pickup speed before you seal the deal. Why not just vote him now if you find him suspicious, as you claim, then move it later as more information presents itself?
Ico, policy lynches are retarded... just no.
Jaybrundage, I know you haven't even posted yet, but we've never been the same team. Don't see why this game would be any different. Have my vote!
##Vote: jaybrundage
I did not mean to defend him, but just to slow down the voting so we dont have to deal with a lot of people keeping early vote for the rest of the day and do nothing. Yes, he can be scum. Yes, he should die if thats true. I think we should have schworz on the light for the entire day, maybe even further , but we cant set the lynch couple hours into the day, come on. The vigi advice is just clear thinking: if he is scum and his team can heal someone , why not save your scumbuddy? Also since when thinking is labeled as being wishy washy ? That is changing Your opinion frequently.
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On February 06 2012 21:45 Adam4167 wrote:Tobberoth, you say you're considering a vote on Kenpachi, yet you want to wait until 'discussion comes up later in the day'. This comes off as quite passive and almost like you're waiting for a bandwagon to pickup speed before you seal the deal. Why not just vote him now if you find him suspicious, as you claim, then move it later as more information presents itself?
Well, this is my first Maffia game, and I didn't think you were allowed to change your vote once cast, so I was just expressing support for the idea that Kenpachi claiming green immediately is the only suspicious thing we have to go on, but I didn't want to commit a vote to something like that in case something really scummy comes up later.
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Also why are we discussing 3rd party strategy, besides giving them advice and generating void discussion because not much can be analysed from that. They play for themselves and were here to win as whole: town. When I get home I will try to compose some lists, maybe even graphs.
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On February 06 2012 22:39 DoctorHelvetica wrote:
Yeah, it's pretty normal in fact I think at mafiascum town usually even declares a random voting stage and they are much better players than TL players so I don't see what you're getting at
I am aware of that and there is a distinction between having a random voting stage and just randomly voting in a situation that doesn't force it. But we should probably have any further discussion about that after this game, it is derailing.
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On February 06 2012 22:43 Tobberoth wrote:Show nested quote +On February 06 2012 21:45 Adam4167 wrote:Tobberoth, you say you're considering a vote on Kenpachi, yet you want to wait until 'discussion comes up later in the day'. This comes off as quite passive and almost like you're waiting for a bandwagon to pickup speed before you seal the deal. Why not just vote him now if you find him suspicious, as you claim, then move it later as more information presents itself? Well, this is my first Maffia game, and I didn't think you were allowed to change your vote once cast, so I was just expressing support for the idea that Kenpachi claiming green immediately is the only suspicious thing we have to go on, but I didn't want to commit a vote to something like that in case something really scummy comes up later.
You can change votes freely.
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