EPTOn February 03 2012 11:51 slOosh wrote:
This is precisely the thought process I don't want town to get. I have made it very clear. 4 suspects. 2 MUST BE TOWN. You have to accept that at least two of them are town, DESPITE their scumminess as you call it. It is very logical to consider as mafia as pairs as to help make better reads.
This is precisely the thought process I don't want town to get. I have made it very clear. 4 suspects. 2 MUST BE TOWN. You have to accept that at least two of them are town, DESPITE their scumminess as you call it. It is very logical to consider as mafia as pairs as to help make better reads.
Of course but how does that help us find scum? If you don't focus on what people say and why they say it who cares what connections there may be? I am trying hard not to get frustrated because I just can't see what is so important about there being two town in that group of four? Hell there could be three, or even four town (very unlikely). I understand that at a minimum two must be town but what does finding that tell us? We still have to vote for someone.
In any case, our methods clearly differ. Well that is not a mafia agenda or motivation thing. We simply approach things differently. I don't see how you can use this against me.
It does make sense to see an interaction between two players and note the relationship between them.
Sure that is fair but can you please outline what you find so incriminating about me? From my reading of your case, it comes down to my opposition to your focus on TWO TOWN thing and my support for Zelblade. Aside from that there is a weak thing about me not mentioning DYH despite this not having any affect on the game and then there is my late vote for Zarepath. Well others voted late too, that is probably the only hard evidence you have presented.
I have stated before that my read on Bromancipate is not solely founded upon my read on Zelblade. That is not what I said.
Again, no. Bromancipate is painting an incorrect picture of my argument.
Again, no. Bromancipate is painting an incorrect picture of my argument.
So what is it then? I am trying to understand your logic but you aren't making sense. What, despite my support for Zelblade, makes me mafia?
No, this is why I believe zelblade is mafia. I am not basing it off WIFOM, I have a very clear analytical basis of believing Zelblade is mafia.
Sure but you went back and forth on him. I can't believe that my defense of someone who I believe was heading for a mislynch is killing me. What I wrote there was misleading and posted in frustration. I know you had a case on Zelblade, I didn't mean it to appear otherwise.
This is anti-town as it plants seeds of doubt concerning one of the most town people here. I believe Simberto was a genuine mislynch. No one has counterclaimed DYH's hit. He pushed for Zarepath lynch, even when I backed off. Distrust is anti-town. Guys, please notice how again this is subtle influence over town.
No it does not. I doubt anyone here thinks DYH is scum. No-one has presented a case against him. No-one has said anything to make him look bad. I even posted after you called it out the first time that I think he is town. I would wager that everyone would have missed that completely if you had not mentioned it and it would not have made them vote for DYH. The only person who mentioned DYH in a suspicious manner at all was SacredSystem which I pointed out in my list. I don't see how you can draw a conclusion that I am misleading town by not leading them.
Again, Bromancipate sidesteps my reasoning. Focusing on the 4 suspects leads to town loss as we only have room to lynch two of them and two of them are TOWN. And I never said actively. I said clearly that he is subtly trying to distract & misdirect us. The last line is illogical. If you think someone is much more likely to flip red, you don't defend the other suspect, but you push forward the first suspect.
You do both, which is what I said. There was no way SS was getting lynched unless I tried to show that Zelblade is town. I did post my case on SS, how can you argue that I didn't push for an SS lynch? As for your logic on the two town thing I don't see how that helps us make up our mind about who to lynch. Should we focus on two instead? How about one? How about SacredSystem?
If I have a scum in my sights I will push until that man swings. Maybe you don't like my methods, but they are what they are.
It's ok to disagree with my logic, but it is not town to simply ignore and brush it aside. It is more helpful to town to reason with me why you think something illogical, that both I and other townspeople would not fall into a logical mistake. He paints me in a bad light again by skewing reality. I never commanded anyone and have welcomed correction multiple times.
Just because I don't agree with your methods doesn't mean I am going to spend my time explaining to town why they are bad. Maybe they work for you. I don't really care as long as your reads reflect my thoughts and you are not mafia. For you however it seems that if people disagree with your methods they must be mafia? I don't understand this at all and it is heller frustrating.
You are using my opposition to your methods as proof that I am scum? I didn't want to swallow this thread is pointless arguing about stuff that doesn't find mafia. Only when you label me scum because of that am I going to point that out. I don't think you are mafia, I am almost sure you are town. So why cast unnecessary suspicion on you?
Lastly he does not treat my argument seriously. He makes light of it. Throughout his response he sidesteps, he sets up scarecrows, he paints me in bad light. Notice how he ends his defense.
I argued that it is not pro-town. The last two lines are condescending. Definitely not how town treat other town.
I argued that it is not pro-town. The last two lines are condescending. Definitely not how town treat other town.
Well I'm frustrated in being drawn into an argument that does not benefit us at all. I am town and I believe you are town. Responding to you distracts from ensuring the final two mafia will swing. My apologies if you took offence at my condescension.
/Probulous
