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MidnightGladius
Profile Blog Joined August 2007
China1214 Posts
January 30 2012 05:28 GMT
#381
You break my heart, dreamflower. I have to say that that wasn't made sufficiently clear in the first post or in my role PM. That said, it is what it is.

To be optimistic, perhaps the 9:4: innocent:mafia setup would reduce the probability of a roleblocker being in the game. I suppose we'll just have to see what happens.
Trust in Bayes.
MidnightGladius
Profile Blog Joined August 2007
China1214 Posts
January 31 2012 03:06 GMT
#428
Good luck, my comrades. Trust in Bayes!
Trust in Bayes.
MidnightGladius
Profile Blog Joined August 2007
China1214 Posts
February 03 2012 05:12 GMT
#591
Good game, everyone! That was a lot of fun, and I look forward to playing more games here in the future
Trust in Bayes.
MidnightGladius
Profile Blog Joined August 2007
China1214 Posts
February 03 2012 06:19 GMT
#614
I'm glad that two of my reads were accurate, though I really missed the boat on zarepath at first, and I never really looked hard at Chocolate. It was kind of nice to be pretty sure about balt11t, and then bow out. My endgame tends to be a bit rough around the edges

Looking through the mafia QT, I'm kind of surprised that you guys didn't push me harder early on. It seemed like you were all ready to do it, but I suppose you were okay with letting FakePromise die. I'm not sure how I would have responded under actual pressure :D
Trust in Bayes.
MidnightGladius
Profile Blog Joined August 2007
China1214 Posts
February 09 2012 23:14 GMT
#646
On Night 2, as I was considering who to shoot, I was suspicious of Bromancipate, but I was more suspicious of balt11t. I hadn't fully considered the interaction between the vigilante ability and mafia roleblocking, but here was my initial plan:

1) Call a shot on balt11t at the beginning of the Night and look at the town's response.

a) If it became obvious from balt11t's response that he was indeed mafia, and that the town was in favor of lynching him regardless, I would switch targets and shoot Bromancipate instead, claiming this in the thread shortly before the Day post.

b) If I was wrong about balt11t, and he claimed a blue role and provided useful information, I would switch my shot to Bromancipate, knowing that I was probably going to be killed by the mafia during the night. The town could sort out the claim afterward.

c) If no particularly useful information came out of the exchange, I would play it safe and not switch targets.

In the end, it was pretty clear that balt11t wouldn't be alive for much longer no matter what happened, but I thought about it a little bit more. On the one hand, if I had been right with both of my reads, it would have essentially wrapped up the game. On the other hand, had I been wrong about either balt11t or Bromancipate, or heaven forbid both, the town would have been thrown into chaos and the endgame would have been much more messy.

As the town was in a pretty strong position following the first medic save and zarepath's lynch, I ultimately decided to play it safe. Of course, it turned out that my reads were right, but I don't want to be a victim of hindsight bias.

What would you have done as a vigilante in that position? Would it have been right to trust my reads and go for the big play, or is it better to just play safely? Alternatively, would I have been better off not calling my shot on balt11t in the first place and either holding onto my shot, or still shooting him and claiming it on the next Day?
Trust in Bayes.
MidnightGladius
Profile Blog Joined August 2007
China1214 Posts
February 10 2012 02:45 GMT
#651
Same here. I don't think I'd be able to keep up with the Werewolves game, especially now that midterm season is right around the corner :S
Trust in Bayes.
MidnightGladius
Profile Blog Joined August 2007
China1214 Posts
Last Edited: 2012-02-10 05:31:13
February 10 2012 05:30 GMT
#669
On February 10 2012 14:21 slOosh wrote:
Show nested quote +
On February 10 2012 14:17 Probulous wrote:
On February 10 2012 13:59 Adam4167 wrote:
Zarepaths opening post is exactly what threw me. Scum 'generally' like to open discussion with a very neutral topic, like policy lynches. Why would a scum pick something much more abrasive, like randomly electing someone to die, and thrust himself into the spotlight in the process?


The problem wasn't the topic it was the "random lynching". He was advocating random lynches using a non-random method. In essence his plan was a cover for getting someone lynched that he had chosen. The fact that this was hardly mentioned really struck me when catching up on the thread.

Here is the logic
  1. You believe the odds are acceptable to randomly lynch
  2. You select someone at random as this is fair to everyone
  3. Profit?


Most people had issues with the odds and the lack of information that comes from random lynching but supporting those isn't exactly scummy. It is is just a difference of opinion and probably bad town play. The fact that he suggested "reverse alphabetical" means the process is not random and he was trying to get someone lynched.

Then when he flipped people should have realised that he was zarepath's day 1 target (in his first post no less) and so was highly unlikely to be mafia. I didn't push this because I actually wanted zelblade lynched


Ohhhh ... I thought it was some intricate bussing that wouldn't go through but set up a good failsafe dynamic of giving the surviving mafias town cred ...
Would it be good for me to apply Occam's razor more often?



That would be quite a coup if they had planned and pulled it off properly. I think it might have been too much of a risk, though, especially if the votes do start to come in, and then you're suddenly forced to either back off, or let your partner die. Even if you do, you don't earn credibility by suggesting bad odds and just "randomly" happening to be right.

I raised a hypothesis in the obs QT about a plan where the mafia team defer their first hit in order to have a member claim the hit on the subsequent day as a veteran. In the absence of having a clear blue target, what would be the downsides of such a feint?
Trust in Bayes.
MidnightGladius
Profile Blog Joined August 2007
China1214 Posts
February 10 2012 07:21 GMT
#695
Adam4167, that is quite the useful heuristic . I will definitely keep it in mind, especially because the only way to disrupt it is to play to the town's favor and forcing more mafia mistakes.

I wish that some of the other players would come back and comment. It would be unfortunate if their first game were also their last
Trust in Bayes.
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