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 ) It's going to be fun either way but hopefully similar shitstorm will go down here as well- I am not deluding myself of being decent scum hunter but I can definitely do something if role claims start rolling in. | ||
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On January 24 2012 23:07 Zephirdd wrote: Okay... Is there any way a non-scum player can see the Sleeper Agent's broadcasts? I assume the Inception Agent can, under certain conditions, but are there more? Also, for the players: I haven't seen GGQ, Hesmyrr nor Navillus playing. Obviously that's because I'm a Check my profile. Also, re-stating the obvious since I do not want to be unknowingly mistaken: So how this work is, sleeper agent A, B, C all write messages which are received by all of these three. Moreover, we have no assurance the messages being sent need to meet the requirement of the first game: You may send a message consisting of 5 words or 20 characters to any agent at dawn and dusk of each day. Submit it like a normal action. The message can't contain the name of any player. Also, could you affirm that all investigative role on this setup is sane? Will role such as Godfather/Traitor work on the role-cop should they exist? | ||
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2. The PM says "dawn and dusk" meaning every half cycle night 1 onwards. ????? So what Mr. Wiggles said? | ||
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Also, ##Vote bumatlarge his first post is just bad like many pointed out. Surprised no one decided to lean over him for it -_- In fact, Radfield, why did you not vote him then (therefore encouraging more discussion)? lends more credence to your big-post-intended-to-coach-scum theory. Cwave. What bad wording specifically? | ||
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On January 27 2012 00:00 Cwave wrote: Did you really just post this.... Like seriously?!?!?! ##VOTE: Radfield LOL | ||
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##Vote bumatlarge his first post is just bad like many pointed out. Surprised no one decided to lean over him for it -_- In fact, Radfield, why did you not vote him then (therefore encouraging more discussion)? lends more credence to your big-post-intended-to-coach-scum theory. | ||
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##Vote Lanaia Don't think I will be deviating from this unless someone brings out really convincing argument. | ||
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Fascinating information. If you're going to stick with Navillus, can you write the gist of that analysis post you said you lost? Have to leave for class right now so can't read him for moment and all you said seem to be is that he's confusing and that there is contradiction. | ||
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On January 28 2012 06:32 GreYMisT wrote: Vote Count! Radfield (4): Meapak_Ziphh, Cwave, Jackal58, Bumatlarge Navillus (1): RedFF Bumatlarge (3): Radfield, Lanaia, Navillus Cwave (1): GGQ Lanaia (3): Hesmyrr, Zephridd, Vaderseven Meapak_Ziphh (1): Blazinghand Why, your eyes not working or something? You better start scumhunting or I'll grind you down to the ground. | ||
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On January 29 2012 10:21 Lanaia wrote: @everyone. How do you all feel about blazinghand? I find Blazinghand bit suspicious, thought he could have brought up suspicion on MZ a lot faster. Are you willing to support his lynch if it comes to it? | ||
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However I'm almost sure bumatlarge is scum now, after finding this gem while looking over his post. On January 29 2012 10:12 bumatlarge wrote: It was, he fucking hinted at inception agent but it went so far against the gist of what he was hiding it in, it seemed like he threw trash together to make a good post. Look at meapak's first post. I think the section we both saw as scummy, was the section radfield put the most effort into making. Therefore he may not have noticed how bad it looked when he said the second red paragraph. Also hence why I was sure radfield was scum when he basically called MZ town after posting that. It's nice to see you being aggressive lanaia. I want to lynch cwave. If you don't know, this is the post Lanaia apparently had bad vibe about: On January 28 2012 15:41 bumatlarge wrote: Meh it's radfield's fault  Didn't realize how close I came to actually getting lynched. Okay, when you hunt scum the basic is trying to find a post that town would never make but scum would. And this, ladies and gentleman, is one. What Lanaia brought up honestly did not mean anything; literally anyone who thought Radfield defended himself poorly could have wrote that post without thinking. Bumatlarge could have simply said "well, that's what I really think. If Radfield played better his lynch could definitely have been averted" and that would have been the end. Instead, bumatlarge refers back to the first post Radfield had made and tries to give really unconvincing explanation about how Radfield - because he was blue - deliberately wrote the red part and managed to screw himself. What? Did anyone understood what he meant to say? It feels to me that bum was really reaching for the explanation that sounds good and logical unnecessarily, and I can see only one reason why he would do that: I think bumatlarge panicked when Lanaia made that irrelevant attack and over-reacted. And only people who have something to hide would behave like that, namely scum. ##Vote bumatlarge Also I still think CWave is VI. | ||
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On January 30 2012 07:22 redFF wrote: Yes he is a VI, what does this have to do with anything? Now you're deliberately being obtuse. | ||
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On January 30 2012 23:29 Cwave wrote: The other option is ignorning her one-line fillers. I don't think that's the best option. Do you think she has made any contribution? If so, can you point it out to me as i then might have missed it. My post was directed at bumatlarge. I agree Lanaia does need to give out her reasoning better, so feel free to have at her. | ||
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On January 31 2012 09:11 Scamp wrote: I was so sure about scumatlarge. Could he have been framed? I think I'll just sleep this one off first before I do anything else. Lynch town, leave completely stupid post thereafter. DING DING DING DING | ||
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##Vote Scamp Navillus and Refallen also better contribute today, if you guys slack off because of this vote you'll be unpleasantly surprised. And the other two seem town, so... (since the replacement, at least) Seriously, Lanaia? | ||
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been calling people out for scumhunting when he has done almost nil himself Justify it. | ||
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Also still waiting for your response Refallen. | ||
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Note how when I prodded Scamp, Refallen jumped to his rescue by throwing stupid accusations at me- accusations, which I might bother add, he conveniently forgot to press on even when I asked him to elaborate. Note how Scamp posts that he feel weird lynching Refallen after cherry picking one single worst argument against him, and that he is beginning to think Jackal as scum because of this post (how?) Note how Refallen quickly moves into say "I don't mind lynxhing jackal", and considering that at least one player in the Radfield wagon has to be scum this is tacit support of Scamp. Scamp and Refallen is scum. I wouldn't mind lynching either of them at this point. | ||
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##Vote Refallen | ||
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On February 03 2012 02:41 redFF wrote: So vote Jackal! Shhh, you might actually want to read before making further fool of yourself. | ||
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On February 03 2012 00:28 Hesmyrr wrote: ... Note how Scamp posts that he feel weird lynching Refallen after cherry picking one single worst argument against him, and that he is beginning to think Jackal as scum because of this post (how?) Note how Refallen quickly moves into say "I don't mind lynxhing jackal", and considering that at least one player in the Radfield wagon has to be scum this is tacit support of Scamp. ... On February 03 2012 07:34 Refallen wrote: ... I think these people are scum. Jackal (no reasoning here either) Hesmyrr ... Scum don't redirect to scum in order to save scum. Also adding GGQ to my suspicion list. He stealth-votes just after enough people voted Refallen, has all the hallmarks of mafia going for damage control. | ||
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First, Scamp. He makes a post that he doesn't like Refallen lynch and is suspicious of Jackal. He has made no post which indicates he deviated from his position at the time of his vote. I mean, come on xD This has a lazy scum bandwagon written all over it (the point I brought up on first paragraph becomes really important here). Then there is GGQ who switches vote to Scamp at the last minute, when anyone can see such action is waste of vote. Actually, trying to push for Scamp is absolutely fine since he is scummy as hell. The problem is that he made no effort to persuade the town of this thereafter. Completely useless behaviour and I already said I suspect it of being attempt to buy town cred or something. So we lynch Scamp - who had more scummy behaviour - then GGQ next. Looking over the thread I really do not expect anyone will have objection to this plan. ##Vote Scamp | ||
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Also wtf, is my name really that hard to type out? Hessmyrr all the time with Ace and now Heymyrr D: | ||
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On February 04 2012 10:17 Lanaia wrote: How do we feel about roleclaims in this game, everyone? Mafia wins when they outnumber Town and Town has no killing roles remaining. Seriously? Also Scamp is good lynch, but that was rather quick change of heart (after redFF spoke up). I'm actually going to look you over again. | ||
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Few people were criticized for bringing up scum numbers and above point was brought up. I assumed there will be five scums also, so that's what immediately thought when I wrote the current situation. Nothing more and nothing less, if you can't accept this situation so be it. | ||
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Also Lanaia, please explain why my post is over-reaction. I did so with my accusation with bumatlarge instead of parroting someone else who posted before you. | ||
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Once again, weigh my scum-tell against ISO of these guys and see which one is the better lynch. | ||
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Speaking of suspicions, I still do not understand the major argument against me. Is it still 5-5 scum tell? Because some of you are arguing there are not five scum, and you can't have it both ways guys. -_- If it was the way I responded to the pressure ("over-reaction"), I still think I addressed that question sufficiently considering that no one is pointing out which specific part of my post is scummy. | ||
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On February 06 2012 02:43 redFF wrote: This was scummy as fuck. This was his justification for switching from Scamp to refallen, but it makes no sense. Scamp would be the third candidate in this situation, but if he was scum why would scum quickvote him into the lead? Why would that be bad if they did that? People were mainly voting Refallen and GGQ then. I went and put out strong FOS for Scamp using association tell, then realized if people start taking Scamp lynch more seriously it might split the vote and increase the chance of GGQ getting killed. Note that this was before GGQ's scum-like hop on Refallen wagon. | ||
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7-5 situation when there is less than nine hours left = splitting the vote between several candidates = begging for scum to quick vote third candidate into lead. People think A and B are scum and vote among them naturally. People A and B are scum, so it is in mafia's best interests to vote for candidate C who is town. If town distributes their votes among A and B evenly, it is more easier for scum to bandwagon C. So yes, it is "third candidate". | ||
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C = GGQ Note that I expected people to follow me because my argument was awesome. Of course I hadn't counted on how terrible Refallen was but meh. | ||
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Jesus Christ this town. | ||
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![[image loading]](http://celebslists.com/images/benny-hill-01.jpg) just a note everyone in this game except rad and myself played terribly - Words from the wise man. Post-game notes This was a fun set-up to play, though I think most of us had collective duh moment at some point of the game. It's not often I rolls scum on this game so I wanted to give my very best, but it was not to be as I would soon commit multitude of lethal mistakes.  More on that later.On day 1 I did think bumatlarge could be scum-telling, but I also wanted to keep my pro-town facade up. So I prodded bumatlarge but left myself an out. If you look over the post again, you'd see I prepared myself to switch later on. + Show Spoiler + Also, ##Vote bumatlarge his first post is just bad like many pointed out. Surprised no one decided to lean over him for it -_- allows me to mask it as pressure vote, making it less unnatural when I change my target after someone drops off something I could use. Rest is easy, people bandwagoned Radfield out of nowhere and I began supporting bumatlarge when I was sure Radfield was going to die. Blazinghand wasn't going to change his mind with the way he was going. I'll explain my broadcast plan for this game. The threat was that Inception Agent could potentially see them meaning straight-up claiming would be difficult. However, looking at the role-list it was also obvious this role would not be able to see the broadcast all the time. Thus, I decided to divide my messages into two parts, and because it's encrypted it would be impossible to determine the content unless the receiver had both: y8ayxjnott ; k= P2av30F ; CipherNaBl [D1-N1-D2] If some did not figure out my message, I hoped 'cipher' on D2 message would be enough to lead people into http://infoencrypt.com If you decrypt y8ayxjnottk= using P2av30F as a key, you get "bird" which refers to picture on my profile. You may notice on the third message that there is NaBl. That meant to communicate that I was hitting Navillus and Blazinghand. This was my biggest mistake which cost our team the game. Sincere apologizes for that, I feel terrible about it T_T The thing was... let me skip day 2 because I just pushed bumatlarge wagon. Only thing I regretted was On February 03 2012 00:32 Hesmyrr wrote: You know what, I'll move my vote to Refallen right now. We cannot afford splitting the vote in this situation. ##Vote Refallen I should have just manned up and only gave justification when somebody pushed me on it, and RedFF picked up on this immediately. He would thereafter became major pain in the ass, but I knew hitting him was terrible idea since there was highly likely to be BP role in the game and "vote me!" just seemed like obvious gambit to draw mafia NK. Okay, back to the Lanaia mistake. Navillus just decided to go afk and I completely seized up on it as gambit by Intelligence Agent to buy precious investigation time. This impression was reinforced when he indeed came out of nowhere few times during the day despite his apparent warning. So at Night 3 I re-wrote that Navillus had to die.  This was a massive mistake by me and proves that tunnel-vision can be enemy of not only the town, but mafia. I actually realized something was wrong when Lanaia began dripping the cop tells all over the place, and I probably would have changed my NK if I could have communicated with my scum team. However, that was clearly impossible and I did not want to switch my kill when I already announced I was going to kill Navillus; I somehow persuaded myself that cop wouldn't act so obvious -_- My weakness to WIFOM has been the vain of me since the days of Micro-MAFIA (The First). Don't know what I could say next, Lanaia claimed and I made a scum-tell that brought the entire suspicion upon me. I could not deviate from Scamp lynch because that had been my stance since the beginning. I might have fought for it harder tomorrow, but when Zeph, Hesmyy, GGQ: If one of you is town, you really need to put together a case on redFF or V7. We don't have any more mislynches this game, we need to get it right. Go away Blazinghand, I hate you. I decided I better sink and not give town anything else to work with. I might have spammed when somebody mentioned Godfather, in order to make some suspect I am interrupting the discussion in order to hide the presence of forementioned role, but none of that happened and I died. Really sad we missed the opportunity to win on the last day. Zephirdd PM'd me expressing his frustrations and subsequent communications (I tried my best to skirt around relevant info) express my view pretty well: + Show Spoiler + there is only one thing he can possibly do 1. kill cwave 2. race against red to vote first Original Message From Hesmyrr: Oh, so that's why. Still debatable decision, but hey redFF speaks the truth >.> He was not the only one [REDACTED]. (Post edit: He was not the only one "who stuck to single plan unwisely") If it was me I would have just made a ruckus and forced the matter while CWave was afk but I guess that was bit of a risk. Hope v7 is smart enough to know what to do following night & day. Hide nested quote - Original Message From Zephirdd: I think I made a huge mistake, asking v7 to call me scum. If he had call'd me town, we'd win today. sorry about that anyway v7 wins in two days After the lynch: + Show Spoiler + I told him to call me scum; the race didn't happen because of me. Also, I'm pretty sure iGrok will deal with the 1v1 situation without it being a vote race. At least he told me he had discussed that with greymist. perhaps it's a draw, or just standard scum win. tbqh in a 2v1 scenario, red will think between cwave/v7 and cwave will think between red/v7 especially if v7 can create the scenario for that, and I'm pretty sure he can. in fact, given my latest interactions with red, it's quite possible that cwave will be confused as much as red. The question was "Why say that?" And the answer is: WIFOM generator. Original Message From Hesmyrr: Hide nested quote - I'll surely want to apologize to my scum team for last night's actions, because we could've won today. I'm sorry! Why say that? If vaderseven is unable to access his computer at deadline, he has no choice but to submit no kill and try to risk three-man lylo. By all means it'll be difficult but better than a vote race he can't win. He can definitely argue his way through WIFOM. That is what I suspected v7 was aiming for, since if he intended to vote race he could have done so today where victory was guaranteed instead of tomorrow. I screwed up the entire scum game, because I was the one who had tunnel-vision on Navillus and managed to miss completely obvious Lanaia, but I didn't apologize immediately because you do not want to give information to the town until the game is over =/ Still it was interesting game, redFF did the best out of all the town (maybe Radfield would have taken this spot but you know what happened :p), and I think I was mafia LVP with the Navillus tunnel-vision. | ||
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bum def sc; y8ayxjnott; IamDARTH#; Radfield Scum? Cocky Sneaks; QisSleeper; k= P2av30F; V7isSCUMme; I would have been very surprised if the mafia did not figure out each other at that point except me. | ||
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If Jackal was vig: 5 SCUM 5 TOWN Scum fail and is lynch, town is killed and scum is shot. 3 SCUM 4 TOWN | ||
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Also it's over, so I see no reason to make this thread no more toxic. Set up had it's faults, and hopefully future games will be able to learn from this. | ||
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I mean, I understand it being frustrating to play in a game where you don't think you have a chance at winning, or very little chance, but just try to make the best of it. Or, if you need to, just ask the host to replace you. Then criticize the setup in a constructive manner. It's more of "I gave my best for this game, investing hours into it, because I assumed this game was winnable. However, at the end of the game I learned it was impossible for the town faction to win unless mafia turned out to be massively incompetent at understanding the rules (which happened)". RedFF is definitely behaving poorly, but failure to understand the problem is also quite problematic for the future. Another objection of RedFF seem to be that vote race on 1v1 is hardly different than vote race on 5v5. By the time Jackal was dead (3v3 at the time I believe), vote rushing have become legit strategy. If any of these three realized this and initiated the vote rush, the game still would have been determined by who votes faster - which is the reason why the host decided to intervene on the last day! Once again, none of this happened but I believe that he thinks it is fault of the win condition that allowed even the possibility of such vote race to occur. | ||
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On February 14 2012 12:11 Hesmyrr wrote: Also, this was the broadcast N1 / D2: bum def sc; y8ayxjnott; IamDARTH#; Radfield Scum? Cocky Sneaks; QisSleeper; k= P2av30F; V7isSCUMme; I would have been very surprised if the mafia did not figure out each other at that point except me. others until my death CipherNaBl; Lanaia Blue; killFFblue; weRnumba1; Fuck Codes scumMEisS; NK.Navi.BH Lanaia Blue!!; whoR2ofU?; SAYwhoYOUr lynch Hesymrr Rather ish... | ||
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On January 28 2012 09:03 Radfield wrote: Whoops, I actually thought there was another two hours. My only true mistake this game -_- | ||
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