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On December 20 2011 16:14 bumatlarge wrote: Chez, you have to be careful, if Ver invited you, you can bet he specifically laid out traps for particular styles of play. We need think outside the box in order to counter his methods. Serious. I'm accusing the hydra of provoking chez. There is no reason to ask such a stupid question. Stop asking stupid questions. What does this even mean? The theme is to punish bad play, not to punish weird play and how do we "think outside the box to counter his methods"? Not making sense is bad play, will you take responsibility? | ||
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On December 20 2011 18:51 SamuelLJackson wrote: I don't understand why Chezinu would come in and basically claim Traitor. The move makes no sense as a Townie gamble since you destroy your own credibility and put yourself at risk of being lynched or vigged. I know that he's Chezinu but I think he actually is the Traitor. Kind of like how he basically claimed SK day 1 in LSB's Merc Mini Mafia. Either way the onus is on him to either post real content or face the lynch. I'm not too familiar with bum's play since every game I've been in with him we've been scum together so I ignore his posts but does he have a penchant for useless posting? I vaguely remember him getting lynched as Town in Personality for posting like crap. Is this Curu? Tag your posts. I've a hard time believing that you actually think chezinu couldn't do that regardless of his alignment. Oh no Chezinu may destroy his credibility!! | ||
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On December 21 2011 01:59 GMarshal wrote: Or we could just ignore roles and work on analysis, since in a half flip setup with completely unknown mechanics its going to be hard to sort out truth from lies. There is no reason why we can't do both and we it shouldn't be that difficult given that we get alignment flips. Are you going to answer why you voted for curu/sandroba hydra over chezinu on the grounds of hydra being difficult to read and then proceeded to say chezinu can't be read | ||
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On December 21 2011 02:00 LSB wrote: So you are saying we should all role claim right now? No, are you saying you can't read? | ||
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On December 21 2011 02:23 LSB wrote: I'm very confused. When you are saying Is it in response to this statement? If not, what statement is it in response to? If it is, are you defending chez's statement that people should straight out claim right now? Or are you introducing an obvious yet irrelevant point? It was a response to RebirthOfLeGenD, who seemed to be advocating not claiming, ever | ||
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On December 21 2011 05:39 bumatlarge wrote: Hold off on voting Samuel for now, I made a mistake. Curu couldn't have really meant anything then exactly what he said, since that would be kinda unfair to his other half to go make some scummy incentive. It was an innocent accusation against chezinu's posts. I'll delve more into it later, but it's kinda the concept of a hydras fault. I don't really see the WIFOM at the moment, so until I review everything else, I'm going to hold my vote. ##Unvote SamuelLJackson Uh what, are you saying that if Curu is mafia, he can't make that post because Sandroba is asleep? | ||
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SLJ/Sandroba: you have been less active than I would expect, any particular reason? I was under the impression you would have time right now | ||
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On December 21 2011 19:21 Palmar wrote: You never responded about L and BC syllo, what do you think of those two? Both completely worthless so far, so potentially decent lynches even today | ||
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On December 22 2011 03:45 Mr. Wiggles wrote: BC, where are you? Can any of the older vets tell me how BC plays in their experience? In my experience, when he's town, he is motivated, and posts actively. For example, here's his filter from PTP2: http://www.teamliquid.net/forum/viewmessage.php?topic_id=245008&user=10200 XLVII: http://www.teamliquid.net/forum/viewmessage.php?topic_id=285690&user=10200 In both games, he's active, and contributing. In both games, you get the feeling he actually cares about what's happening, and wants to have an influence on the game. Now contrast that to: http://www.teamliquid.net/forum/viewmessage.php?topic_id=295384&user=10200 One post, that's completely vacuous. Almost everything he says has either already been said, or is useless. This runs completely against my experience with townie BC, and is very similar to my experience with scum BC. In any case, I want him to post more. ##Vote: BloodyC0bbler What do people think? @prplhz: I'd rate it as pretty bad. Kind've reminds me of what I did in Mini Mafia X. In any case, I want to see what GM has to say now, to see whether it's BS, or something that's actually contributory. I completely agree and think he is a good lynch candidate for the day. As a side note, I find it quite annoying how many people accepted the invite despite being too busy to actually play the game as they can't all be mafia. Just look at the length of the replacement queue; I would wager the vast majority of them would be willing to put more effort into the game than the people currently playing. | ||
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GM please no more setup analysis, who would you lynch? | ||
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On December 22 2011 06:16 Palmar wrote: I'm more interested in who you want to lynch. I'm still partial to GM if that's all he has got. It seems strange that he decided to spend his time writing more setup analysis when we've 6(?) hours until lynch. Lurking by bc/rol/ggq et al seems more of a null tell based on Ver's post, so I'm now less inclined to lynch someone who is clearly completely away. | ||
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##vote LSB | ||
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@GGQ: do you believe mafia has two role blockers or that chezinu is lying? One of the two have to be true for your scenario to be possible Wiggles: what exactly did you mean here What are the chances someone claims RB in the morning, though? That means we're either going to have to lynch them out of principle, or deal with bullshit for the next couple days. What do people plan to do, when someone claims RB, or claims their shot but the target doesn't die (vet or protected)? I see this as pretty likely to happen, regardless of if one is scum or not. Why did you consider such a scenario likely? Do you have the list of blues? Even if the setup has a bunch of vets/medics, it actually seems quite unlikely for a town vig to hit someone who is medic protected. Regardless, now that something like that has happened, what do you think should be done with RoL? Despite flipping traitor, I think Palmar was ironically right about you | ||
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On December 24 2011 15:13 kitaman27 wrote: Who do you find scummy syllo? So far today, the only thing you have done is show up to defend yourself about the change in play style comment. What do you think about prplhz? This looks exactly like his town play and would be pretty much the last person I would lynch today. I would like to lynch one of the people who have apparently decided not to play the game as by this point it's far more likely that they aren't just busy but rather are using it as a cover. Out of them BC would be my #1 choice. | ||
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##vote BloodyC0bbler | ||
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On December 28 2011 23:04 RebirthOfLeGenD wrote: Are you claiming alignment cop or something? How do you know one of us is definitely scum? Chezinu claimed RB on n1, so either he is lying and thus scum or he was RBed and then there is no good explanation for you to be alive unless there is a scum medic. I guess it's possible that GM didn't actually hit you or his shot doesn't go through if the target is town, but both scenarios require poor play on GMs part; he specifically said that his role is the same as LSB's, who heavily implied that his shot goes through regardless of the alignment of the target. | ||
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Given the weird n1 kills I think it's more likely that scum also has some sort of KP roles that punish "bad" play or something similar. A scum medic also makes more sense than more than 1 RBer due to the missing RB claims. Two role blockers is possible but lynching people or clearing people based on that assumption in LYLO is very weak/scummy. | ||
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On December 29 2011 07:05 bumatlarge wrote: Ok, thats sounds cool. So now L is scum then. Very possible, but nothing in above is related to that. Why are you making these bad logical leaps in LYLO? | ||
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##vote L | ||
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Because of this absurd roleblocking result, I'm not sure a balance complaint is reasonable unless you want to focus on the excessive volatility which is quite sensible. I don't understand. The roleblocks made sense in light of what we knew; Sheth had been very suspicious of Kita and so had been GM. Are you suggesting we shouldn't have role blocked anyone? Blocking bum on n5 was a mistake as by that point kita should have gambled but considering his heroic efforts otherwise, can't fault him for that. Even keeping some of the people a lot of townies were suspicious of (RoL) doesn't seem too bad | ||
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Acronym Vigi You are the Acronym Vigilante! You hate people who use acronyms and buzzwords excessively like WIFOM , meta, or the dreaded "scumtell." Once per game you can shoot anyone (at night) who has used multiple acronyms (or the same one repeatedly) throughout the game. Anyone who posts multiple image macros, particularly of buzzwords like a wine glass or that wifom pic, is also fair game. Keep in mind that your power doesn't have to be used. It is merely another option for you to help police the town. I read the case and I don't see how you can justify allowing the shot due to meapak not having enough time. That's exactly the kind of reason that makes these triggers arbitrary. Given how many vigs town has, borderline cases should always fall on the side of not allowing the shot. | ||
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I also assumed intentionally triggering them would be forbidden so I didn't even bother asking Ver about it. I expected meeting the requirements to be much harder based on my previous experiences with the liar vig. | ||
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