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On December 28 2011 23:04 RebirthOfLeGenD wrote:Show nested quote +On December 28 2011 18:50 syllogism wrote:
Well at least one out of RoL and Chezinu is definitely mafia. I would like to hear from Chezinu first but the situation has been covered quite adequately above. Are you claiming alignment cop or something? How do you know one of us is definitely scum?
Chezinu claimed RB on n1, so either he is lying and thus scum or he was RBed and then there is no good explanation for you to be alive unless there is a scum medic. I guess it's possible that GM didn't actually hit you or his shot doesn't go through if the target is town, but both scenarios require poor play on GMs part; he specifically said that his role is the same as LSB's, who heavily implied that his shot goes through regardless of the alignment of the target.
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Bum how does the scum team consisting of role blockers make sense considering that only one person has claimed RB so far and last night there were 6 deaths, of which only one was claimed. None of the living players claimed RB, so even assuming foolishness was RBed, that's three missing role blocks.
Given the weird n1 kills I think it's more likely that scum also has some sort of KP roles that punish "bad" play or something similar. A scum medic also makes more sense than more than 1 RBer due to the missing RB claims. Two role blockers is possible but lynching people or clearing people based on that assumption in LYLO is very weak/scummy.
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Sheth care to share the proof?
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On December 29 2011 07:05 bumatlarge wrote:Show nested quote +On December 29 2011 07:01 syllogism wrote:
Bum how does the scum team consisting of role blockers make sense considering that only one person has claimed RB so far and last night there were 6 deaths, of which only one was claimed. None of the living players claimed RB, so even assuming foolishness was RBed, that's three missing role blocks.
Given the weird n1 kills I think it's more likely that scum also has some sort of KP roles that punish "bad" play or something similar. A scum medic also makes more sense than more than 1 RBer due to the missing RB claims. Two role blockers is possible but lynching people or clearing people based on that assumption in LYLO is very weak/scummy. Ok, thats sounds cool. So now L is scum then.
Very possible, but nothing in above is related to that. Why are you making these bad logical leaps in LYLO?
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Are you saying that because he claimed to have shot BC he is town? That is completely inconclusive as scum have some sort of list of blues, might have similar vig roles as town and so many people died last night that it isn't possible to even know who shot BC. It's even possible for scum to use regular night KP to kill someone and then claim a vig shot, though no way scum would have used normal night KP on BC in this situation. I think it's very likely that he did shoot BC, however.
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It doesn't particularly matter when as long as it's comfortably before the lynch tomorrow, taking time zone constraints into account
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Sheth: That's not "proof" at all, but I agree with L being the safest lynch today
##vote L
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Bum why are you treating Chezinu/Meapak like a confirmed townie? That is to say you immediately appear to dismiss your multiple RBers theory and don't appear to care at all about Chezinu apparently lying about being roleblocked
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Leaning scum based on my last read, I'll probably have time to reread him later today
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Because of this absurd roleblocking result, I'm not sure a balance complaint is reasonable unless you want to focus on the excessive volatility which is quite sensible.
I don't understand. The roleblocks made sense in light of what we knew; Sheth had been very suspicious of Kita and so had been GM. Are you suggesting we shouldn't have role blocked anyone? Blocking bum on n5 was a mistake as by that point kita should have gambled but considering his heroic efforts otherwise, can't fault him for that.
Even keeping some of the people a lot of townies were suspicious of (RoL) doesn't seem too bad
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And this role definitely shouldn't have been able to shoot me for using the word scummy, a word that is almost a necessity unless you always want to go for the long form. As you said, I substitute it for "suspicious" or "more likely to be mafia"; just because I don't explain why shouldn't make me a valid target for this specific vig. There were other vigs for that.
Acronym Vigi
You are the Acronym Vigilante! You hate people who use acronyms and buzzwords excessively like WIFOM , meta, or the dreaded "scumtell." Once per game you can shoot anyone (at night) who has used multiple acronyms (or the same one repeatedly) throughout the game. Anyone who posts multiple image macros, particularly of buzzwords like a wine glass or that wifom pic, is also fair game.
Keep in mind that your power doesn't have to be used. It is merely another option for you to help police the town.
I read the case and I don't see how you can justify allowing the shot due to meapak not having enough time. That's exactly the kind of reason that makes these triggers arbitrary. Given how many vigs town has, borderline cases should always fall on the side of not allowing the shot.
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L unsurprisingly assuming no responsibility for his own lackluster play, both in thread and out of it. He participated in no strategy discussions and then whined about decisions afterwards and immediately aroused suspicion in thread. My scum play is lackluster, but your play was not impressive at all. You don't even understand the dynamics of the voting situation on the day we were trying to get RoL lynched, but that's fine I'm not going to bother.
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I didn't really mean to imply that you played poorly, I don't really pay attention to that as scum, especially when the person in question isn't getting us lynched. I just think that there were enough townies suspicious of you for you to be a realistic lynch candidate and your inactivity could have made defending difficult. Unfortunately you shooting a townie at night apparently confirmed you as town to some.
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We actually didn't discuss the topic of avoiding triggers and I know I didn't intentionally try to avoid anything. My mafia play always looks like that, which obviously isn't great. I suppose WBG did change his play somewhat.
I also assumed intentionally triggering them would be forbidden so I didn't even bother asking Ver about it. I expected meeting the requirements to be much harder based on my previous experiences with the liar vig.
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