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TotallyNotTwoPeople
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On December 11 2011 08:05 HarbingerOfDoom wrote: Well, I should be good to go, so feel free to switch me from tentative to confirmed. Everything is back up and running and my comp hasn't burst into flames or anything yet. Fuck that guy. -I'm- in. /in | ||
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TotallyNotTwoPeople
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Are the elections on later days for different positions, other than mayor or pardoner? I'd assume mayor and pardoner are roles that once elected to you keep for the entire game, is this correct? Professor Badass needs to post some more if they want to be an actual candidate for mayor. Low effort campaigns are scum campaigns. Hi Sheth! And since you asked about it, the real names involved in this hydra are Joe and Nahien. 3 truths and 2 lies for you as well: We are both same age. We are both addicted to tea. One of us swing dances. One of us is bilingual. One of us has seen you, Sheth, in person. + Show Spoiler + ![[image loading]](http://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/d/d2/Boy-with-binoculars.png) (Don't look out your window) | ||
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On December 13 2011 01:32 risk.nuke wrote:Do you belive Deus-ex and TnTp hydras will be easy to get a read of? Well, in Steamship I was town and never received a single vote on me, despite people being able to vote for as many people as they wanted, so I am assuming people read me pretty well there. Presumably I'll be pretty easy to read here as well. Hopefully the second head doesn't add too much confusion. I like the policy of no pardons, no exceptions. If the majority decides something, I don't think a single person should override that decision, especially since it will also create a huge distraction for town. /Harbinger | ||
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TotallyNotTwoPeople
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On December 13 2011 11:43 Radfield wrote: Hey HarbingerofDoom(TNTP), in steamship you came out absolutely swinging as a townie. Here you are absolutely dragging your feet. Anything to add to the discussion? Hi there. The reason for the less posting is because the friend who comprises the other half of the hydra is visiting from out of state, so we've been doing things around the city rather than being near a computer at all times. Sorry for the somewhat lacking activity. On a note related to lacking activity: + Show Spoiler + On December 12 2011 17:34 ProfessorBadass wrote: Why am I running for Mayor? I am infinitely smart, suave, charismatic, modest, able, active, amazing, modest, and honest. And Erandorr's not bad either. Anyone who has played with me will know I give my all in regards to activity and scumhunting every game that I am in. I will never avoid the game or lose interest. My biggest pet peeve ever is Townies who expect to be mindlessly carried or don't keep an active interest in the game. Am I a better player than syllogism/Palmar/Radfield? Probably not. But I would not say I am bad either; in nearly all games where I was Town I have rooted out at least one scum and played a part in Town victories. I believe I am more than capable of contributing to Town and I know that I am Town; I do not know that about them. In regards to Arctocod and Radfield, I would very strongly prefer Arctocod simply based on meta. Palmar's scum play is relatively disinterested and obvious and syllogism's consists of never posting anything. Radfield is a different story though, he twirled the Town around his fingers in LOTR Mafia, securing multiple mislynches and leading the Town by the nose. He would have led Mafia into a crushing victory had a third party not taken him out of the game during the night. Having only two real candidates for mayor/pardoner makes me uneasy, but I even more dislike the half-assed mayoral campaign that promises activity and follows it up by being inactive. Can any player who has played with them (Curu/Erandorr) before give some insight as to how active they generally are as town versus scum? And to Curu/Erandorr, any particular reason for the lack of activity? And why did you run for mayor and then put no effort into it? As for our two mayoral candidates, nothing about either of them really stands out to me so far as significantly leaning them toward being town or being scum, so I will be voting for Arctocod for now as I have read more games of Palmar's/Syllogism's than I have of Radfield, which will presumably allow me to determine their alignment more easily as time goes on. Arctocod has also been somewhat more active, and activity is certainly vital for our mayor/pardoner to have. Granted, both of them are going to get a position anyway, and the bodyguards are the more valuable part, so I think this will be the last I have to say on this subject unless somebody has a specific question. | ||
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TotallyNotTwoPeople
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On December 13 2011 15:28 Arctocod wrote: Cascades: I don't think it's great and will be judging such situations on a case by case basis, even if Rad gets mayor. If such a scenario occurs and he disagrees with my opinion on the better lynch, I will be quite suspicious, however. It's also possible that there are other anonymous voters in the game besides just the mayor. I found this statement interesting. What makes you think there would be other double voters, especially anonymous ones? | ||
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TotallyNotTwoPeople
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TotallyNotTwoPeople
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On December 14 2011 02:52 Arctocod wrote: I don't quite understand the motivation for this post. If you are town, shouldn't you care who gets lynched today? Wouldn't you just discuss the lynch with your team mate instead of apparently just letting him decide? Why are you announcing it beforehand? Isn't the point of playing hydra to decide big decissions together? Seems to me he can be involved in this manner as well. /syllogism My point of playing as a hydra with him is to introduce him to forum mafia, not to have a second person to discuss reads with. If you have an issue with this, sorry, but that is how I will be playing this game. I'll certainly be answering any questions he has, but for the purposes of the lynch vote today (and quite possibly future votes as well), I will be acting in a coaching role rather than as a fully active player. Sure, I could involve him through discussions in person, but something tells me he'd basically just defer to whatever I decided since I have actually played before. Obviously I care who gets lynched, but I am also 0/2 on voting scum day one, so I figure he can't do any worse than I have in my previous games. As for announcing it beforehand, I just wanted to ensure maximum transparency in our actions. /Harbinger | ||
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TotallyNotTwoPeople
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On December 14 2011 03:06 risk.nuke wrote: Another one throws in a halfhearted vote on Zentor, let me fastforward and tell you where this ends this continues. Another handfull of people halfheartedly vote for Zentor. Zentor flips town. We don't have a clue who the real mafia is. We can't use the list people who voted for Zentor to find mafia because there won't be alot of mafia in there. @Harbinger: I read: I might throw a stupid vote but it's because I let my newbie friend choose. I already addressed it above, but I fail to see how maximum transparency in our actions is bad for town. If me letting him decide things is really so offsetting to people, I would be more than happy to have him replace in for our hydra account. /Harbinger | ||
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TotallyNotTwoPeople
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On December 14 2011 03:26 risk.nuke wrote: @Harbinger: It's bad for town because you admit you're not playing optimal which would be disussing it with your hydra which infact serves even more to get him interested in the game while saying you leave your vote to your newbie friend could be convenient for a mafia to justify a vote Yes, I'm sure you know much better about how to get my longtime friend interested/involved in something than I do, what was I thinking. /sarcasm As I said, if people really have a problem with this, I offer the alternative of me stepping out and letting him replace in for our hydra. /Harbinger | ||
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TotallyNotTwoPeople
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MrZentor: wishy-washy. Appears to change his opinions easily and does little analysis on his own. For Example: On December 13 2011 12:00 MrZentor wrote: Anyways, I think we should lynch zeks. He wants to kill the hydra, because it will be "dangerous for the town", but having the hydra only helps town. He is either extremely stupid or he is mafia. Either way, it's best to kill him. On December 14 2011 05:45 MrZentor wrote: + Show Spoiler + Analyzing Sheth's posts Now lets look at a quick timeline of stuff he's done: 1. Ran for mayor immediately after game starts He's one of the first people to run for mayor but drops out rather quickly without challenging the other candidates. For a completely new player to immediately run for mayor practically right after game starts seems fishy. After Rad/Arc campaigns gain steam he drops out silently because he knows he has no way of winning. 2. On December 12 2011 12:28 Liquid`Sheth wrote: Its very important we get these two positions filled up by people who are 100% not mafia. This can be tough obviously. So I think its obvious we want someone who is willing to write a lot in order to be one of these. Implying people who write a lot are not mafia? Terrible logic Note that he writes big blocks to try to fit his own category. 3. Claims he hasn't read any past games On December 14 2011 05:13 Liquid`Sheth wrote: I have not zeks :[ I havn't had anytime sadly. I've looked at a small part of a few before this one, but I've been trying to filter people here, fix my computer and keep up on SC2 related things. Its pretty time consuming. Not to mention that I'm at my families house and should visit with them as well >< Yet it seems fishy that he does know some stuff about past games... Why would it be devastating to have Radfield/Arctocod in office if they're both scum? The Mayor's role isn't really that powerful, and PYP:I was won without the Pardoner stopping a single lynch, and if the Pardoner stops a lynch without a huge reasonable then he's autolynch the next day. Wouldn't it be worse to have them out of office if they are town?" Correct me if I'm wrong is sheepycat someone in a past game? There is no way to figure out if someone is "100%" mafia either. Oh percentages, how I hate sheepycat or w/e his name is for over using them on EVERY single read he ever had. And what do you mean theres only one way to get confirmed and that way kinda prevents people from getting elected afterwards? I honestly just don't know.... 4. People have called me out for saying "my 6th sense says one hydra is scum" - and used that in a case against me. What about Sheth? He's been doing the same thing! Except in multiple occasions! Don't see him getting called out [Excuse my selective quoting, if you filter him and read these comments and the context it was in, you'll see that it makes no difference that i quoted it this way] I get the basic read from Redfield that hes clean though. Just from the imaginary tone I hear in my head. Radfield hasn't said anything from his one post, so I kind of don't think he should be mayor based on that, but I really think hes townie. Just from a random gut read. Radfields comments are again good. I'm getting like this pure read from him for now. Just seems legit. This quote unsettles me too: And pointing out I'm trying to collect towncred is a good way for you to get some good towncred too. =) 5. Sheth posts a lot, but he's rather wishy washy in his opinions Lynch - Prplhz - I've always gotten some weird vibes from him. Back when he said neither elected position is at all important and him saying he thinks its better if Mafia gets one of those jobs. I think its just weird logic. I'm all for you attacking risk.nuke and looking at deus-ex above me, and I realize your not really on other peoples radar, but your definetly on mine. If you can change my mind I'll definetly change my vote, I'm just saying this now as I have to go. I'll be back to re-read this all over before actual Election time. Lynch Prplhz based on "weird vibes" Either Zeks or Zentor. They've both shown that even if there not mafia, there not going to be too helpful in finding real mafia and might just confuse us more. Then says if given the power he'd lynch me or Zentor. After Arc pressures Sheth he backs off a bit: Sure, will do. Just again notice I was asked just which player would you call down the thunder on right now if you could? So I just answered my two feels and a brief why. Who've I've been worried about the most is pretty much constantly changing with posts and as I go over and filter everyone. It appears to me he's just playing along with whatever the flavor of the week is Conclusion: If you take everything he says as truth then he's an innocent townie who's trying too hard. Otherwise he seems pretty scummy I hate to say this, but I agree with you. That was a pretty good analysis. Maybe you aren't mafia. :/ On December 14 2011 05:52 MrZentor wrote: + Show Spoiler + That was a pretty bad analysis. One of the quotes isn't even Liquid`Sheth's and the conclusion is that either he's town or he's scum. Duh. Other than that, zeks is just rehashing the obvious instead of trying to clarify why he thinks it is coming from a scum mind and not a town mind. Before reading it, I thought that Sheth was just really excited for his new game, but now I am thinking he may be scum. Or that could be my new player ignorance not seeing the obvious scum, zeks. I don't know. In addition, his lengthy post defending himself concluded with Let me just reiterate: killing me would be a bad idea. Which to me is, alluding to a blue-name. The only reason to allude to a blue-name without actually role-claiming is to draw emotional appeals from more easily swayed players and draw votes away. In conclusion, based on MrZanders current wishy-washyness as well as relatively late allusion to a blue-name without an actual role-claim causes him to draw my vote. | ||
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TotallyNotTwoPeople
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Since my original candidate of choice is no longer eligible, I will be voting for Deus for pardoner as I think they are likely to be targeted early on, and I have more of a town leaning on them than I do on ProfessorBadass, whom I am still slightly suspicious of. /Harbinger | ||
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TotallyNotTwoPeople
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If anyone has anything to ask of me, feel free, I will be going to bed shortly, but will answer them tomorrow. (I'll be more active tomorrow than I have been, I promise!) On risk.nuke, in my experience playing with him he has been rather aggressive, but he is definitely being harsher in his attacks than normal, and more personal as well. I had a town leaning on him earlier (up until around the time he started running for pardoner), but have moved back to a null read on him with his more recent attacks, as he seems to be using less logic and more ad hominem attacks. The saving grace for him in my eyes is his dislike of Greymist's play. I agree with him on this. I have played one other game with Greymist, and he was scum in that game. He seems to be playing quite similar to how he did in that game. In both games he asks a ton of questions to various people, only to land on whatever seems like a fairly easy lynch to pull off with minimal real analysis. He also tends to enjoy answering simple questions such as hours remaining in the day, votes required for lynch, etc. While certainly nice to do, it also gives you a way to seem like you are helping when you are in fact only providing information already available to everyone. His filter from this game: http://www.teamliquid.net/forum/viewmessage.php?topic_id=291720&user=120900¤tpage=All and from Steamship: http://www.teamliquid.net/forum/viewmessage.php?topic_id=282366&user=120900¤tpage=All I'd be interested to hear input on this from anyone else with prior experience playing with him. Does he tend to do this as town as well? If he does, then obviously this case on him is significantly weakened, but regardless I have yet to see much out of him so far that makes me think he is likely to be town. @Evantrees: Why in the hell did you vote for me for pardoner yesterday? I wasn't running, and hadn't been active in the game. You said you RNG'ed the 3 remaining hydra players, but I am confused as to why you did that. One hydra has openly admitted to not having seen or heard anything from the second player in the hydra, and the hydra I am a part of includes my friend who is playing his first game of mafia ever. How does this make either of those 2 'hydras' a better choice than any other player? For those curious/for the sake of clarity: I will be doing most of the posting/decision making for this day, as my friend will be traveling for a portion of it. /Harbinger | ||
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TotallyNotTwoPeople
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On December 15 2011 17:19 Cwave wrote: I'm growing a bit tired of this "vets should get the election things". What makes Arctocod town at the moment? Afaik, he got Eiii killed and no scum has been delivered so far. Anywhere in the thread where he ibecomes a confirmed town or made someone scumslip? He was forced to withdraw from the election day 1 that he was winning a role in, specifically one with a bodyguard protecting him from night kills. Scum has 3 kp, 2 died, Arctocod claimed being hit by the third shot. If nobody counter-claims then either scum withheld a kp and used one of their powers day 1 solely to get him town-cred...or he is actually town. Which seems more likely to you? | ||
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TotallyNotTwoPeople
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On December 15 2011 17:30 TotallyNotTwoPeople wrote: He was forced to withdraw from the election day 1 that he was winning a role in, specifically one with a bodyguard protecting him from night kills. Scum has 3 kp, 2 died, Arctocod claimed being hit by the third shot. If nobody counter-claims then either scum withheld a kp and used one of their powers day 1 solely to get him town-cred...or he is actually town. Which seems more likely to you? /Harbinger, in case it wasn't obvious. | ||
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TotallyNotTwoPeople
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On December 15 2011 17:15 TotallyNotTwoPeople wrote: The saving grace for him in my eyes is his dislike of Greymist's play. I agree with him on this. I have played one other game with Greymist, and he was scum in that game. He seems to be playing quite similar to how he did in that game. In both games he asks a ton of questions to various people, only to land on whatever seems like a fairly easy lynch to pull off with minimal real analysis. He also tends to enjoy answering simple questions such as hours remaining in the day, votes required for lynch, etc. While certainly nice to do, it also gives you a way to seem like you are helping when you are in fact only providing information already available to everyone. His filter from this game: http://www.teamliquid.net/forum/viewmessage.php?topic_id=291720&user=120900¤tpage=All and from Steamship: http://www.teamliquid.net/forum/viewmessage.php?topic_id=282366&user=120900¤tpage=All I'd be interested to hear input on this from anyone else with prior experience playing with him. Does he tend to do this as town as well? If he does, then obviously this case on him is significantly weakened, but regardless I have yet to see much out of him so far that makes me think he is likely to be town. /Harbinger Arctocod, I'm assuming at least one of your halves has played with Greymist when he was town before, does he normally play like this as town? In steamship, as scum, he was on the top two vote getters day 1 and day 2, here he already managed to get a vote in on every one of the top 3 vote getters on day 1. Also, as I'm sure most people are aware, some people are just easier to get lynched than others due to the way they play. Scum obviously love to push for lynches that they think will be easiest to pull off. Two of the people getting votes yesterday were Nisani and MrZentor. So for now ##Unvote: MrZentor and ##Vote: Nisani201 until he can provide me reason not to. This is a quote from Greymist. From Steamship. Scum preying on the same players as he did in a previous game? Seems quite plausible to me. | ||
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On December 16 2011 05:06 MrZentor wrote: I hope you guys realize I'm confirmed town now and, we should kill nuke. We confirmed your role, not your alignment. You are likely town, but far from confirmed. Your role seems pro-town, but Eii's role seemed more pro-scum than pro-town, and yet he was town. So clearly that is not enough to confirm anything. Also, with all the last minute vote-switching/the withdrawal of Arctocod day 1...why in the hell did you not extend that day? | ||
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TotallyNotTwoPeople
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On December 16 2011 07:35 VisceraEyes wrote: Can someone answer this plz before I cast my election vote? It is now time to elect our newest officials! The winner will be rewarded the title of Surgeon General, while the runner up will become the new Secretary of Defense. Both elected officials will be pardoned during the day two lynch. Radfield and ProfessorBadass are ineligible for election this cycle. | ||
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TotallyNotTwoPeople
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On December 16 2011 09:16 HarbingerOfDoom wrote: @greymist What about nyczbrandon makes him seem like scum to you rather than newbie-town? Do you think scum would be letting one of their members say things like: If you believe he is scum, I presume you also believe he was told to play the newbie card rather hard? Dammit, wrong account. | ||
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On December 16 2011 09:17 Radfield wrote: Most scum teams don't take an active role in the posting of their members. In fact many scum teams don't really post much at all in their QT outside of KP and role discussion. Hmm, I seem to recall seeing some ideas for posts/posts made in quicktopics before posting them in the thread from past games I have read through, and I have certainly seen some coaching of newbies in them. Regardless, this part still stands: If you believe he is scum, I presume you also believe he was told to play the newbie card rather hard? Unless Greymist believes nycz decided to use that strategy on his own and then decided to ask: How many reds are in this game btw? on his own as well. | ||
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On December 16 2011 09:20 DEUS-ex-MAFIA wrote: I bolded the relevant part in red. However I am not sure yet if it's really a scumtell. I thought about the setup in general and about the possibility that Rad/palmogism/curu/prplhz and I are town. (probably greymist and VE, too)... | ||
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TotallyNotTwoPeople
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On December 16 2011 09:48 DEUS-ex-MAFIA wrote: 1. I hate people who ask something and disappear directly after that. 2. I filtered you guys and you did nothing this game. No real opinion given on anything axcept risk, greymist and zentor. These players have been discussed several times and nearly everyone gave an opinion. And you only repeated thing that have already been said. I think you're the scumhydra among us hydras. I have been posting between games of HoN. I admit I didn't do much day 1. I don't see how that makes us scum. As for your question as to who among the vets I thought was most likely scum, I am currently leaning toward professor badass, although not strongly. Also, please point out who else actually built a case on greymist like I did. I know risk called him scum, but did not post a cast. You say I have only repeated things, so it should be easy to do. | ||
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TotallyNotTwoPeople
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On December 16 2011 10:14 TotallyNotTwoPeople wrote: I have been posting between games of HoN. I admit I didn't do much day 1. I don't see how that makes us scum. As for your question as to who among the vets I thought was most likely scum, I am currently leaning toward professor badass, although not strongly. Also, please point out who else actually built a case on greymist like I did. I know risk called him scum, but did not post a cast. You say I have only repeated things, so it should be easy to do. Oh, unless you want to count greymist among the vets, in which case I am obviously favoring him as the scum. | ||
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TotallyNotTwoPeople
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On December 16 2011 10:20 GiygaS wrote: Has anyone realized that Graymist is targetted by people under suspicion right now, and all of them aren't with evidence? TNTP went to Graymist with no evidence, and Risk has been tunneling him the entire game (or at least day 1). Can you quote that suspicion on me from before I was making a case on greymist? Also, are you saying that him being the only person to vote for all 3 of the bandwagon lynches, as well as constantly fishing around for anyone that other people will agree on doesn't seem somewhat scummy? Look at his lynch choices so far, mostly a bunch of largely useless lurkers that nobody would blame him for if they are mislynches. | ||
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TotallyNotTwoPeople
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On December 16 2011 10:20 DEUS-ex-MAFIA wrote: hmm interesting. I have one more question: Do you think the nightshots of the scumteam were optimal, if not, who would you have been shot? If there was no medic on arctocod it would have been fairly optimal. And who would I have shot? Uh...assuming no blocked shots arctocod, yourself, and prpl probably? If worried about blocked shots, maybe something like you, prpl, and dropbear and hope any/all medics are busy protecting arctocod. | ||
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TotallyNotTwoPeople
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On December 16 2011 10:38 Jitsu wrote: @evantrees. Sure. It doesn't matter; I think you can spin it either way. He uses his ability with a little under 2 Hours left to use it, than posts how he "thought he had two hours remaining to put votes in and has to make a hasty decision. Regardless, I think it's funny how you came to his defense rather forcefully, no? Also, you seem pretty accurate with the timing on the ability. How did you know it was used roughly around 2 hours and 15 minutes, to the minute? Maybe a scum player said "Use that ability, there is only 15 minutes left" and it stuck in your mind? ...Or maybe he looked at the time on the mod post stating his withdrawal? -_- | ||
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TotallyNotTwoPeople
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On December 16 2011 10:47 GiygaS wrote: Deus seems to be only asking questions to people that he suspects as a mafia. I thought you picked up that yourself. Anyway, thanks for giving some reasoning behind your suspicions on Greymist. ...I posted my case on greymist before he asked me anything... | ||
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TotallyNotTwoPeople
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On December 16 2011 10:48 GreYMisT wrote: A lot of us were voting for MrZentor, he claimed blue, at that point in the game not a lot of us had a good idea of who to lynch, so I went with nisani. Partly because he doesnt normally lurk in the games i have played with him as town, but also because of the reasons i listed. Near the end of the day radfield/Profbadass found that contradiction of spaakle's which again convinced many of us to switch. So far your only case on me is that I am playing in a similar way as steamship. check steamship again. When i was scum there i obviously knew who was on my team and who wasnt, and i reflected that by never straying off my targets except for a few select times. this game I am unsure of who is scum, and am allowed to change my mind and vote. You also didn't have to unvote to vote for someone else in that game ;-) Even assuming I am right about you being scum, there are 4 other scum to find, so I guess it's about time for me to start looking more into that. I'll be keeping my eye on you though, and as I said before, I would certainly appreciate it if others that have played with greymist before could weigh in on his play so far. | ||
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Also, please point out who else actually built a case on greymist like I did. I know risk called him scum, but did not post a cast. You say I have only repeated things, so it should be easy to do. Giygas, you never followed up on this at all: Can you quote that suspicion on me from before I was making a case on greymist? On December 16 2011 10:49 TotallyNotTwoPeople wrote: ...I posted my case on greymist before he asked me anything... @Curu If you are actually town, this will make me 3 for 3 on having a townie martyr themselves in games I have played, and 2 for 3 on it happening well before their fate was sealed. Whether you are martyring mafia, or actually martyring town, I am tired of this bullshit. But you probably can't respond to this anyway, *sigh* | ||
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On December 16 2011 12:59 Liquid`Sheth wrote: Hey, just checking in. Reading what I can and thinking. Just thinking a lot. I finally got into the Pre-Release of SWTOR and trying to work a lot more sense I haven't been too much lately. Will be posting my thoughts on a lot of this chat whenever I have more time. Tomorrow I have stream / gym / stream literally all day, so will probably be inactive like today again then. Will try and keep up and if I think of anything I'll post it. ...? Also, what are you even asking me here: TNTP, What makes you any different in the argument Arcto + Deus are making about Curu? | ||
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Why would being elected make you survive the night? I see no bodyguards mentioned for these positions. Or are those two statements not related? | ||
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I agree in wanting discussion going on besides just the Curu/ProfessorBadass lynch. I believe I mentioned it before, but I am leaning toward newbie town over newbie scum on nycz. As I mentioned before, I think if he was on a scum team they would have offered him at least some pointers on his play to make it less useless. If I am correct about him being town, I'd really appreciate it if he could step it up and be more active and post some well thought-out analysis on someone. At the very least he could do what he said he would do here:+ Show Spoiler + @nycz Have you looked at any of the guides/records of previous games? Regarding evantrees, I see a lot of the stuff that scum loves to do to be 'useful', like answering things that can be answered by looking in the op, looking at the voting thread, etc. I would be much more comfortable lynching him than I would be lynching nycz. @evantrees How about you give your top 2 scum reads and some analysis on them? You said you were trying to be helpful, and your scum reads will be infinitely more helpful than things like:+ Show Spoiler + We do Time Cycle: Currently the deadline is 2200 EST[local] This game will follow a 48 hour day cycle, 24 hour night cycle. last one took him a few minutes(at 12:19) as well, hopefully not 19 minutes this time. He's making it appropriately themed I suppose. too try keep it at 3 as long as possible as in not go down to 4 members Total Mafia = 5 Mafia kp=#mafia/2 (rounded up) Elected peopel can't be lynched that day. lynchproof for the day only + some sort of ability most likely, expecting Police Chief to show up sometime given the dead list from day 1 but what that would do not sure. so assuming radfield is to be believed about being roleblocked. I could list more, but I think you get the point.the mafia has attorney used a roleblocker and 3 unknowns possibly one a vanilla goon. I really doubt more than 1 vanilla goon given the election. | ||
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TotallyNotTwoPeople
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On December 17 2011 08:32 VisceraEyes wrote: GiygaS, why did you vote twice for ProfessorBadass? His first vote didn't count as it had a misspelling. On December 17 2011 06:07 GreYMisT wrote: also sheth and giygas your votes are formatted incorrectly. | ||
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On December 17 2011 08:51 VisceraEyes wrote: Ahhh...missed I read that post and looked at the voting thread and didn't see anything immediately wrong with it so I disregarded. I got ya now.  So, AbsolutelySingularEntity, if Curu were somehow unlynchable today, who would you want to lynch and why? ...have you been reading my posts? If so, the answer to that question should be quite obvious. Although I still haven't received a straight answer on how his play this game compares to his normal town play. | ||
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On December 17 2011 09:06 VisceraEyes wrote: Then why didn't you ask that instead of being intentionally oblique? (see what I did there?) And no, I had no particular reason other than mild annoyance at you considering that question necessary at all. Based on the post below yours though, maybe I somehow did need to be more clear in my answer -_-Hey - no need to be intentionally oblique, I just wanted to know if your stance on Grey remains the same, and whether the points you've raised have been properly addressed in your opinion. Yes, I've been reading your posts. I've been reading them quite carefully, in fact. Do you have a reason to not give me a straight answer? Also, I dislike this explanation from greymist: Near the end of the day radfield/Profbadass found that contradiction of spaakle's which again convinced many of us to switch. especially considering the contradiction explanation from professorbadass: Two vastly contradicting opinions when the only thing that has changed is Town sentiment towards Nisani. Is something that I think he is guilty of as well. (Changing his opinion based on town sentiment that is) Also, I don't see how a newbie tending to follow the general consensus is a scum tell, let alone a reason to disregard your previous suspect as soon as it is pointed out. On December 17 2011 09:11 DEUS-ex-MAFIA wrote: http://www.teamliquid.net/forum/viewmessage.php?topic_id=266305&user=62066¤tpage=2 this is the towncuru + MASSIVE amount of PMs with me and mig... That post was not referring to Curu, as you should have been aware of. Also, you still haven't answered what I asked of you twice now. Deus, I thought you said I was the scum hydra, and that it was possible there are no vets on the scum team. Why did you switch to Curu so easily? Also, you never answered me: Are you ignoring me because you think I'm scum, do you think I'm scum because you are actually just ignoring me, or are you ignoring me because you are scum? | ||
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I still have no idea what you were asking me with this: TNTP, What makes you any different in the argument Arcto + Deus are making about Curu? The way I interpret it you are asking how am I not scum on the basis of the same accusations as those made against Curu...but the main post Arcto originally made on Curu was: Pretty sure curu is scum; he thinks he can get away AGAIN with not posting now that day was extended, pretends he doesn't know why Erandorr isn't posting/caring when I know for almost a fact he does. Wanted to lynch risk on day 1 but when rad disagreed with him he quickly offered another alternative, despite sounding quite convinced that risk is scum. Note this is despite the fact that he claims to be suspicious of radfield. Erandorr wouldn't join a game and then not post... unless he rolled scum. Of which I don't see how a single line of it could be applied to me. | ||
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On December 17 2011 12:23 Liquid`Sheth wrote: @TNTP You were being inactive at the time as well. You are a hydra who is really only one person. The rest of Arcto's post is actually just filler so we could push and see what happened. The part about Erandorr not joining a game and not posting doesn't apply to you obviously, but you weren't really posting much as well. It wasn't a great question I just really wanted you in the discussion. And I was trying to start up other discussion then the posts on Curu. ...what? My friend was traveling today and therefore I haven't been in touch with him and he hasn't been keeping up with the thread. He'll be back and contributing when he can. The being inactive as scum is part of Erandorr's meta...I have no scum meta as I have yet to be scum, so that part doesn't apply to me either. The rest of Arcto's post is actually just filler so we could push and see what happened. What in the fuck is that? How was the rest of it filler? How do you know it was just a pressure play? You didn't write the post. | ||
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How does your double lynch power work? Will we get two votes, or will first and second in number of votes be hung? | ||
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On December 17 2011 13:33 Liquid`Sheth wrote: Deus said it was, and it was what I assumed going in to it. Can you quote where Deus said that please? I am not seeing it. | ||
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Well done VE, this being my first game with you, I am not entirely sure what issue Palmar has with you, but that was a ballsy move that payed off wonderfully. gg sir! @greymist I did some searching, the first person to call him out at all was jitsu, here: http://www.teamliquid.net/forum/viewmessage.php?topic_id=291720¤tpage=19#373 A few people, including professorbadass, call him out for using an RNG on the pardoner vote. Then the next real mention was radfield saying this: Looking at evantrees filter I would be ok lynching him. Same with Spaackle, though he has made more posts, and still seems scummy, so I would lean Spaackle over evantrees. A small case if you want to call it that made here by refallen: http://www.teamliquid.net/forum/viewmessage.php?topic_id=291720¤tpage=44#868 Sheth calls him out, but doesn't build a real case besides calling him among the scummiest: http://www.teamliquid.net/forum/viewmessage.php?topic_id=291720¤tpage=54#1066 Then the first real case is yours: http://www.teamliquid.net/forum/viewmessage.php?topic_id=291720¤tpage=70#1397 Followed not too long after by VE's case: http://www.teamliquid.net/forum/viewmessage.php?topic_id=291720¤tpage=74#1480 Hopefully at least one of those will serve the purpose for which you asked that. | ||
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On December 12 2011 14:44 ProfessorBadass wrote: Well first thing's first: Palmar is scum. Palmar and I have a long history of never rolling the same alignment. Since I am Town this game Palmar must indeed be scum. Also I am running for Mayor. | ||
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@greymist Interesting theory regarding evantrees, but the main issue I am having with evantrees being scum, is that upon reviewing his filter, the only person he tended to consistently call out as being suspicious of/slightly scummy, was ProfessorBadass. not certain by any means on ProfessorBadass one way or another, nor do we know exactly what roles are in this game but can kind of see scum going for pardoner to help keep their kp at 3 for as long as possible would it be worth sacrificing a member I'm not sure. Sort of had to change my vote off Arctocod so wanted to put it somewhere, bit skeptical for ProfBA for some reason. didn't want to vote forProfBA at the time had no better option to offer. Gut says Comprissent is scum for some reason and has since early the first day and some suspicion on ProfessorBadass because arc was not dead night one kind of removing that reason for making him withdraw though yes he would be doomed to be hittable night two and on even if prplhz was still alive. Do you think this is just more soft-bussing to give some more town cred to the other if one was lynched, or genuine suspicion? | ||
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On December 19 2011 15:03 DEUS-ex-MAFIA wrote: no vigilante on greymist? that's so sad. We got to lynch him, then. Do we have the doublelynch today? I'd say its good to activate it now. Are you even reading the thread? :-/ | ||
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On December 19 2011 15:17 Liquid`Sheth wrote: http://www.teamliquid.net/forum/viewmessage.php?topic_id=291720&user=62163 Theres my filter, can you read it? Yes I can. Thanks! | ||
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On December 19 2011 15:17 GreYMisT wrote: @Sheth: I'm a bit null on you at the moment. I can see merit to arctocod's arguments against you, but with the filter function gone I can't quickly examine you on my own. As far as the whole apparent medic fail goes, as giygas said either the medic was roleblocked, or it fell into mafia hands. Either way the mafia probally know who has that power now. However, this is assuming that another mafia shot got blocked somehow, so there still exists the chance that the maifa double stacked arctocod. Therefore giygas, i do recommend you reveal who you made the medic, however i think you need to wait until the very end of tonight to do so. ...Or, I can use my amazing powers of reading to say this: He gave it to radfield, who had already claimed to be roleblocked for the entire day/night cycle in the thread. | ||
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On December 19 2011 15:31 GiygaS wrote: Yeah I gave it to Radfield if you couldn't tell. I was most sure he was a townie, didn't think the day roleblocker could roleblock in the night too.  He claimed on the first day that it was for the entire day/night, read people, read! :-( | ||
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On December 19 2011 15:31 GiygaS wrote: Yeah I gave it to Radfield if you couldn't tell. I was most sure he was a townie, didn't think the day roleblocker could roleblock in the night too. On December 14 2011 12:08 Radfield wrote: :-(In case people missed it, I was roleblocked apprx 4 hours ago. I am roleblocked for the entire cycle, Day and Night. I assume this means that we have blue roles who have powers which activate during the daytime, likely to do with elections, voting etc. | ||
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On December 19 2011 15:41 GreYMisT wrote: So here is what I'm seeing. just like day2, we should elect someone we are more sure of into the runner-up position, while our next best town read should be put into the main slot. Because we can't elect Giygas or Radfield into there, i would actually suggest risk as number 1. As I said earlier my opinon of him had drifted back to null. I am still unsure of who to put into the runner-up position, perhaps TntP. what are your guys' thoughts? I would obviously be willing to take the position. I am mostly trusting of risk to be town, but he also hasn't posted in the past 30 hours :-/ I would also support deus into one of the spots based on reputation/my early town read on him, but lately he doesn't seem to be reading the thread at all, which worries me. On December 19 2011 15:45 DEUS-ex-MAFIA wrote: okay wait. since radfield will probably be roleblcked forever thanks to giygaS moronic claim, we better elect me and jitsu? Why jitsu? | ||
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On December 18 2011 23:28 Radfield wrote: I'll tell you where it leaves me, the same place I have been for a while. Greymist is scum  On December 18 2011 23:53 Arctocod wrote: I agree with greymist being a good suspect Radfield. On December 19 2011 02:22 DEUS-ex-MAFIA wrote: i had refallen on my townlist. greymist is 95% scum. will get back to this later and advice annul to post my list 1min before the night ends. And I obviously believe Greymist to be scum as well. So, Greymist, I look forward to hearing reasons why all of us are wrong if you have them. | ||
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On December 20 2011 05:03 GreYMisT wrote: Also when you spend 2-3 pages pushing me I at least expect a vote on me. come on. On December 19 2011 15:16 TotallyNotTwoPeople wrote: ##Vote: GreYMisT ? | ||
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On December 20 2011 04:58 GreYMisT wrote: What was the point of all the quotes? for empahsis? to make me scared? My only defense is what I have given thus far. a lot of people are citing me changing my mind as the biggest evidence that I am scum. The question is do you believe this was done in a scummy or a town way? A scum player would change their mind to avoid suspicion and to not stand out. I have been doing it based on what i think is right, with complete disregard to how it would make me look. On another note Im going to vote for you to ensure you get the runner up, as I see most are voting for deus atm. The point was largely for emphasis, and partially because you were claiming the case on you was weak and was just gut feelings and meta. So, a question for you, if syllogism, palmar, radfield, and supersoft all thought someone was scum, and palmar/syllogism were confirmed town, radfield very likely town, and supersoft you were leaning town on as well, what odds would you give on the person they were all accusing actually being scum? In general of course. | ||
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On December 20 2011 05:03 GreYMisT wrote: Also when you spend 2-3 pages pushing me I at least expect a vote on me. come on. Ah, I see radfield didn't vote you. Also, I expect a post very soon from refallen. This doesn't cut it for an explanation of his vote, especially given that he is another suspect: For now, I'm leaning towards lynching Greymist. | ||
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On December 20 2011 05:46 jaj22 wrote: Hi everyone, I'm subbing in for MarserBlood. I've been following this game but not that closely, so recommendations for filters I should check out in detail are welcome. Personally, I'd recommend all of them. | ||
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Care to defend Greymist with something other than "he made this one post I really liked"? | ||
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On December 20 2011 07:18 DEUS-ex-MAFIA wrote: I am not sure about risk though... I just filtered him and I saw that he asked the medics to protect Dropbear (=bum=GF) because he's a good player night1. Later on he admits, that he never played with DB before... (or at least saw him in action) I'd prefer zeks tbh. Would you have an issue with me being elected to one of the positions? | ||
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On December 20 2011 07:31 Cwave wrote: Hate reactive posting like this but hej..... I agree on the greymist lynch. He also seems to have given up and just argueing instead of really defending himself. As for this list, marserblood got replaced and okinda gave me a town feel. Nyc comes across scummy due to his scummy voting. Nyc i voted for last day cause i agreed on the case people made agaonst him. i called out profb for vote dancing after which on the end, he flipped as scummy. Rest is either inactive or a bit flimsy in the posting. furthermore i think risk is just highstrung and a bit adhd, doesnt make him scummy. Refallen i still find scummy for his error on voting twice for the same. Zentor is prob just newby so wouldnt class him as scum as i did in the beginning when he semiclaimed and such. Your top 3 or preferably 4 scum reads and some explanation of them, go! And don't spend much time on discussing Greymist, I want to hear new things. | ||
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On December 20 2011 08:34 DEUS-ex-MAFIA wrote: no but zeks is my number one. @risk, i dont think you're scum, but i got this from zeks: he pointed out that Curu was lazy/lying. You don't do that to your teammates. You give them time to correct themselves and you PM them such a thing. Especially when a fairly new player sees this out of a veteran who is also in his scumteam. Blargh. iphoneposting etc. zeks is town. Pfft, I was calling out the professor before it was cool On December 13 2011 17:12 TotallyNotTwoPeople wrote: On a note related to lacking activity: + Show Spoiler + On December 12 2011 17:34 ProfessorBadass wrote: Why am I running for Mayor? I am infinitely smart, suave, charismatic, modest, able, active, amazing, modest, and honest. And Erandorr's not bad either. Anyone who has played with me will know I give my all in regards to activity and scumhunting every game that I am in. I will never avoid the game or lose interest. My biggest pet peeve ever is Townies who expect to be mindlessly carried or don't keep an active interest in the game. Am I a better player than syllogism/Palmar/Radfield? Probably not. But I would not say I am bad either; in nearly all games where I was Town I have rooted out at least one scum and played a part in Town victories. I believe I am more than capable of contributing to Town and I know that I am Town; I do not know that about them. In regards to Arctocod and Radfield, I would very strongly prefer Arctocod simply based on meta. Palmar's scum play is relatively disinterested and obvious and syllogism's consists of never posting anything. Radfield is a different story though, he twirled the Town around his fingers in LOTR Mafia, securing multiple mislynches and leading the Town by the nose. He would have led Mafia into a crushing victory had a third party not taken him out of the game during the night. Having only two real candidates for mayor/pardoner makes me uneasy, but I even more dislike the half-assed mayoral campaign that promises activity and follows it up by being inactive. Can any player who has played with them (Curu/Erandorr) before give some insight as to how active they generally are as town versus scum? And to Curu/Erandorr, any particular reason for the lack of activity? And why did you run for mayor and then put no effort into it? On December 14 2011 09:57 TotallyNotTwoPeople wrote: /hipsterMy best guess would be this is some kind of scum power-role that made them (Arctocod) ineligible for office. Since my original candidate of choice is no longer eligible, I will be voting for Deus for pardoner as I think they are likely to be targeted early on, and I have more of a town leaning on them than I do on ProfessorBadass, whom I am still slightly suspicious of. /Harbinger But I agree with you that Zeks is very likely to be town. | ||
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On December 20 2011 07:54 Cwave wrote: As i said, Refallen for his "panic" vote as he self proclaims. But in my eyes it's a scum commanded vote he did there. Nyc for being very inactive most of the time but just above the lurk threshold. He also trained on Spaackles and as far as i can remember he voted Profb in office. zentor back on the target list as for what he just wrote. Fluff and dribble and Seth even calls him out/prompt. As for you yourself you seem to have given yourself an overseer position who puts the unknown players to work. I like it. Doesnt make you green which i hope you are. Question back, if Grey flips town who should we go for or pressure? Anyone tied to his faith? If he flips town? I don't think that would be particularly implicating of anyone. If he flips red Sheth will look really bad having defended both the professor and greymist. As for who to go after next, I am not decided on that yet. I would really like to hear more from any of those in the sub-3-pages of filter club. And by hear more I mean hear their top scum reads with explanations. On December 20 2011 08:44 GreYMisT wrote: This is who I want dead. http://www.teamliquid.net/forum/viewmessage.php?topic_id=291720&user=138684 Earlier on in day2 i posted some thoughts about him. But Im going to sum them up real nice. Doesnt take a stance on anything at all unless forced to by another player. Lurks Admits to sheeping radfield When he does post his "opinions" they are skeleton cases in which nothing is really said. Now lets look at the above quote. Remember when Viscera posted this? thats right a freaking while ago. This is also the final post in nycz's filter. thats right, After Viscera died, his pressure was gone, forgotten. So why post about it again? He has had more than ample time to respond, so why hasnt he? a townie would have at least responded to some of it, to get his opinion out there. Instead he has not. Because he is a lurker, he is going to post his thoughts after this post, as the pressure is now back on, But i still want to emphasis how much time he has had to honor VE's wishes. Let's not worry about potential scum that hasn't posted in the thread for the past 4 days, mmk? I'm sure he is well on his way to being modkilled or replaced. If he is replaced and not mod-killed, we can deal with it then, sound good? His last post in the thread: nyczbrandon United States. December 16 2011 11:56. Posts 108 | ||
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On December 20 2011 09:20 GreYMisT wrote: Wait what? not worry about scum who have not posting in the thread? As far as I'm aware the goal of the game is to kill scum, if you think i have found one then why leave it? Because 2 things: 1) I don't think he is scum, as I have posted about before. 2) Modkills kill people just as well as lynches, and discussing someone who can't defend himself at all (by being completely afk from the thread) doesn't really help town discussion. | ||
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I would like to hear your current top 3 or 4 scum reads, with explanations please. Please focus on giving new details to any case you may be making, rather than rehashing things people have already brought up. | ||
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On December 20 2011 09:48 nyczbrandon wrote: Sorry, was busy this weekend. Went to a christmas party o Saturday and had to do all my homework on Sunday, I will try to fulfill VE's last wishes Well how about that, maybe he will be around to defend himself. Carry on Greymist. | ||
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On December 20 2011 10:23 GreYMisT wrote: Don't worry, GreYMisT has a plan. First the roleclaim. I am a Medic. I protected Arctocod night 1, and recieved a PM that my protection was succsesful. I protected Radfield night 2, assuming that Giygas would give the medic power to someone not being roleblocked, and recieved no PM. Therefore we know that Arcto was indeed double stacked that night. Now the rest of this is up to you guys. please for the love of God go read my filter from MLP and/or LotR mafia. In both games I was blue as well (DT). Next Read my filter from Steamship, the game in which i was most recently red. Read them? good. Now for the thinking part. Try to find ways that my scum play is different than my play here, and then try to find how my blue play is different than my play here. Im going to spoiler my own reasons why my play in steamship differs from here. No cheating! + Show Spoiler + When I played scum in steamship, I had to deal with a very town palmar, just as scum had to in this game. Notice how instead of agreeing and disagreeing/changing my mind with lynches a lot like I have been in this game, I am instead usally the first or second person to start a bandwagon, and see it through to the end. In steamship I fostered a bad town atmosphere not by causing chaos or turning the town against palmar, but by simply letting chaos reign, letting all of the newer players turn against each other so palmar could not exert control. In this game I have been what incognito described in his postgame writeup of PYP:I as assertive, and doesnt like when there is something wrong with the satus quo. This is evident in the way I continuously push people for reasoning and to explain their actions. Finally, in steamship i recieved accusations similar to here. here is how i responded to Palmar's final accusation in that game: + Show Spoiler + On November 30 2011 07:48 GreYMisT wrote: Since the dawn of recorded history, man has been mortal. Thus in his mortality man has sought not to die, but to live. this sentiment is reflected thus in the game of mafia. in the following paragraphs i shall explain unto you, my reader, why it is a good idea for me not to die, but to live onto another day.... Yea im not going to do it like that. Although i believe you to be town above almost everyone else in this game, aside from perhaps lanaia, I find it a contradiction that you said in a previous post that you find bum the most likely to flip scum, but then say I'm the most likely to flip scum. for the purpose of this argument im going to assume you mean im most likely to flip scum after you have lynched bumatlarge. I Can't tell you why im not scum, because thats honestly not a question i have found myself needing to ask for most of this game. you said yourself however earlier in the game, that while misguided, i voted for the lynches i voted for in an honest way, and had reasoning behind all of them. Thats the best reasoning i have for being town at the moment. WBG is the only one to have brought a case against me as scum this game, and ti boiled down to the fact that i didn't vote for coag. He ignored the fact that he was most likely going to get modkilled, and i was waiting on conformation. as someone said earlier, we would rather have someone modkilled than lynched. that is why i wasnt going to jump on the coag lynch. In any case. I know im town, and im pretty dang certain you are town as well. my reads are bumatlarge and lemonwalrus. thats pretty much all i can say. What does this post say? thats right, pretty much nothing. its goal was to not give the town a damn thing. You see when i had that much focus on me as scum, I was pretty prepared to die. I had already given zephridd full instructions on how to win after I got lynched. My only goal in that post was to not give town anything in the event of my death. What have i done this game? continued to explain my reads and pressure people. Hopefully that does the trick. I will be unvoting you then I suppose. If a counter-claim comes up, we'll deal with it then. Thank you for not waiting until the last minute and leaving us scrambling for a new target/wondering if the counterclaim is actually just afk at the end of the day cycle. If we hear no counterclaim, should we elect greymist police chief to protect him from roleblocks or kp this night? Although this idea is less good if using his medic ability would make him unable to use the watcher ability. Does using the police chief watcher ability prevent you from using other abilities you might have? | ||
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On December 20 2011 10:33 Radfield wrote: That's an interesting claim Greymist. Barring any counter-claim it's pretty rock solid. If Greymist is lying please counter-claim. Scum will be knocked down to one KP, and I can protect you. In the event that greymist is town, we have some work to do. I'm fine with either zeks or risk.nuke, as I think both are town. TotallyNotTwoPeople I am less sure on right now. Why you no trust me? :-( | ||
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On December 20 2011 11:00 GreYMisT wrote: Basically the way I see it,If i get elected into the position of watcher, all scum have to do is RB you or me, and then double stack one of us, probally me as both my powers are known. However if we continue with the election as planned, scum now have to either RB me, you, or the watcher. You are the Police Chief! On night three, you may perform a watcher check on target player and are immune to all night actions for that cycle. | ||
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As you said, we need another lynch....what are your top 3 scum-reads currently, and why? Please try to include new content in support of your suspicions. | ||
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On December 20 2011 15:20 GiygaS wrote: Just as something people may want to know if also going for Sheth, his apostrophe in his name is the one on the tilde key on most qwerty keyboards. If you don't know what I mean, just copy+paste his name for the vote. I'd like a thorough explanation of this. The vast majority of his posts between these two posts of yours were Sheth defending Greymist. | ||
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On December 20 2011 03:07 Liquid`Sheth wrote: I'd recomend we choose between the 2 people we elect. Hopefully Deus-ex and TNTP and Radfield and the watcher chooses based on their best geuss on who to watch. That way we can hopefully save those that we elect and Radfield our mayor. On December 20 2011 09:14 Liquid`Sheth wrote: I like explanations and transparency. Please provide some on this.##Vote: Zeks On December 20 2011 13:37 Refallen wrote: Will you be voting for Sheth to be lynched then?Ok, so I'm having a bad feeling about sheth because of this. He has accused several people over the course of this thread of being mafia, let's list them out now. Day 1 - zeks - MrZentor (claimed blue?) - prplhz (VT) And then he bandwagoned spaackle, which is fine, except that he flipped blue too. Day 2 - really convoluted case on Giygas (who by the way I think most of us can say is definitely town) - really resistant on voting for ProfBadass until it seems like his lynching is inevitable (then jumped on the bandwagon and said how Greymist & Jitsu actually posted logic as an excuse? to vote ProfBadass) All these things when taken in isolation probably dosen't mean much, but I have a bad feeling when it all comes from the same person. @nyczbrandon If you enjoy not being lynched and also enjoy town winning, you should post some of your scum reads, with explanations. We haven't heard nearly enough from you. On December 20 2011 07:54 Cwave wrote: Can you give some more details on your case on refallen? Prof already had a minimum of 4 town votes on him and at most 1 scum vote (5 and 0 if you consider giygas town), why would they need a fellow scum member to last second vote him when the next highest contender was at 1 vote? As i said, Refallen for his "panic" vote as he self proclaims. But in my eyes it's a scum commanded vote he did there. On December 20 2011 11:17 GreYMisT wrote: Hmm...I'm having trouble imagining what it could be to make you any bigger of a target to scum than you already are with being an outed medic, and if possible I would like you in the police chief spot, but I will leave it to your discretion if you want to reveal any more details, and if you say you do not wish to be elected, then I will not elect you.Well fuck thats good. I would love to get elected, but there is another aspect to my role that would make this plan less than effective. If you want me to fully claim it I will, but understand that nothing i have said so far is a lie. I am indeed a medic and I protected the targets I said. I think that is poking enough people for one post. Must...resist...urge...to triple post... | ||
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On December 20 2011 16:47 TotallyNotTwoPeople wrote: Can you give some more details on your case on refallen? Prof already had a minimum of 4 town votes on him and at most 1 scum vote (5 and 0 if you consider giygas town), why would they need a fellow scum member to last second vote him when the next highest contender was at 1 vote? You meant the lynch vote if I am not mistaken, my bad. Either way, nisani was replaced and then flipped town, and spaackle had more than enough votes on him to ensure his lynch without refallen as well, so the point about not needing him to vote-switch in any way still stands. | ||
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On December 20 2011 16:50 Refallen wrote: @Totally I'm not sure yet; Sheth has been active in defending himself, and he hasn't given me outright mafia tells like Curu, so I'm looking for better lynch targets. What do you think of Sheth? I think he has been taking posting/active = town, lurking/inactive = scum a bit too far without considering the motivations for posts enough. I would not oppose his lynch, but I would also not actively push for it. Sheth, you mentioned you are keeping notes on people, so hopefully this request won't take you too long...you seem to enjoy calling people town, but for all the fuss you make over people not having good cases, I have yet to see you post a good case on why somebody is scum. I'd very much appreciate it if you would do so sooner rather than later. | ||
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On December 21 2011 04:34 GreYMisT wrote: Unless of course Eii was the one that removed arctocod Possible, but this post makes me feel like he didn't use his power, and that scum used theirs: On December 14 2011 10:57 Eiii wrote: Given that this is ELECTION MAFIA, the whole step-down thing is definitely a red power. Last night I wouldn't have been comfortable with either deus or prof in an elected role, but now that prof is actually posting I'm going to be voting for him. I'm kind of undecided on the lynch, but it's not going to be on zentor. unvoting and rereading. | ||
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On December 21 2011 05:12 DEUS-ex-MAFIA wrote: Has anyone else except zentor the ability to extend the day? evantress is town Greymist is town zentor is town if noone counterclaims. 3 scummembers left, one is RB for sure, one is goon for sure. ______ i suggest we massclaim right now? Radfield, your opinion please. Mafia had a godfather, presumably this means we have some form of detective role that isn't just a tracker (that one already flipped). I'd rather have scum have to make a decision between shooting town leaders/"confirmed" town and trying to find that person. That being said, if anyone has a role identical or nearly identical to giygas, I would love to hear a claim. | ||
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On December 21 2011 02:03 evantrees wrote: ##Vote: Comprissent On December 21 2011 02:01 MrZentor wrote: ##Vote: Nyczbrandon What the fuck are these? Explain your votes people. | ||
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On December 20 2011 22:04 Cwave wrote: Deus and I are both "oldie"? What does that even mean?
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On December 21 2011 06:09 zeks wrote: I'm going to switch my vote to nyczbrandon for this I've already been established as town by the majority of the players This was totally unnecessary and I feel like he's trying to bait a reaction to see whether I have a role or not Will be gone for the next couple hours, no guarantees if I can make it back before lynch on time. Hopefully I'll remember to check my iphone while I'm out. He was doing what he promised he would 4 days ago (or is it 5 days now?). | ||
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On December 21 2011 06:26 DEUS-ex-MAFIA wrote: optimal play to protect radfield, me and the new prankster (Greymist): I go for PC, and watch Rad. Rad saves Grey one of the other green guys on my list will get shot and we continue to lynch scum = win. inb4 me + zeks get shot | ||
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On December 21 2011 06:28 cascades wrote: At last Deus actually gives his own opinion instead of fishing for others! Applause for his first real "contribution". You are going to have to do better than that I am afraid. I don't even know what is behind town's high regard for you. Definitely artificial. All you have done so far is to jump on bandwagons, such as trying to claim credit for Greymist's lynch. You were 95% sure then. Good night. Do something useful and stop bitching about veteran players please and thank you! You keep yelling at people to post cases, I have looked through your filter (more than once actually), and let's count the cases posted in it. ... ... ... Oh wait, 0. | ||
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On December 21 2011 06:36 DEUS-ex-MAFIA wrote: okay, who do we lynch? 1. Cascades 2. nyczbrandon 3. Comprissent i favor the lynchcandidates in this order. I favor comprissent, as I mostly have null-reads on these people, but he has soft-defended the known scum: Spackle, your analysis on Dropbear is 100% theory, and I would not like to lynch based off that On December 17 2011 06:02 Comprissent wrote: Implying they aren't already hiding behind the ProfBA/Arc drama? ...fuck flood control -_- | ||
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On December 21 2011 07:34 DEUS-ex-MAFIA wrote: I really am afraid, that you guys screw up... I need to sleep now. I hope Radfield watches the process... My wishlist: lynch between Cascades and Comprissent (I favor casc) and #1 election for me and #2 for Greymist. don't get paranoid and screw up!!! I saw such play several times!!! Is this what I think it is? | ||
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On December 21 2011 07:41 DEUS-ex-MAFIA wrote: I don't know what you actually think, because I can't look into your head. But I think this is the paranoia i was talking about. I think it looks like soft-claiming paranoid cop. | ||
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On December 21 2011 10:54 Comprissent wrote: Ok the first one i can understand as a soft defense, but did you bother to read his 'analysis'? My reasoning there was perfectly solid. I don't understand the second one, how is that defending scum? Are we able to do a no-lynch? We seem to have a solid plan for picking off reds tonight, i see no point in risking lynching a townie with whatever odds there are being thrown around We cannot no-lynch. If you wish to avoid being lynched, you have one hour to convince people that someone else is a better target. The second one is soft defending because saying mafia is using that drama to hide implies that neither of the involved parties are mafia. | ||
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To any of those who have voted but have not given their reason, even if you are voting for comprissent or cascades, if you do not post an explanation of why you chose the one you voted for over the other, I will assume you are volunteering to be lynched tomorrow. That is all. | ||
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On December 21 2011 11:15 Refallen wrote: Why is cascades suddenly a prime target for lynching? I really think he's town. How do you have a good town read on a guy with a filter that doesn't even reach page 2? Please, quote what makes you think he is town. | ||
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On December 21 2011 11:18 Liquid`Sheth wrote: I posted my case on NYCZBrandon and I'm sticking with it. If someone other then Cascades / Comprissent magically gets above everyone in voting, then I'll switch to one of those two. (Unless its Brandon ofc!) That's fine, I am not saying everyone has to vote for one of those two players, just that they must explain their vote. | ||
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On December 21 2011 12:22 Radfield wrote: I shouldn't need to say this, but vigilantes should be firing tonight. We have about 8 players who could all die, and I would not be particularly saddened. Cwave Sheth nyczbrandon Jitsu Marserreplacement cascades refallen pew pew I support this message. | ||
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On December 21 2011 13:07 GreYMisT wrote: I know there was someone posting that they thought nycz was town, if someone could tell me who that person was that would be awesome. I still think cascades is scummy, but I'm going to look over jitsu again, I have not visited his thoughts for a while. It was me. | ||
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On December 21 2011 13:14 Jitsu wrote: I figured that if I was wrong on that call, I would be looked at. Hopefully you find townie confirmation and we can continue looking for scum. On a side note, I would hope that the Vig not waste a KP on me and hopefully just target a mafia. I will look through posts again, although, I don't think my word will hold much weight anymore, though. That one read has little to do with the suspicion on you. Your overall game presence is much more important than one incorrect tunnel. I read through your filter 3 times during this game day, and no, it wasn't to help build the case on Comprissent, it was to see if I should be building one on you. As for the weight of your word, if you build a solid case, it will be able to stand on its own. | ||
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On December 21 2011 13:24 GreYMisT wrote: I'm having some trouble finding it, is this the post you were talking about?: I don't think you are scum, I'm just trying to locate peoples opinions on nycz. i've read through Jitsu once, and ill have to do it again before I come to any real conclusions. so far I think he is most likely town though. He was tunneling compressient all game to be sure, but when it came time for comp to be lynched his play differed from what I thought scum play would be. Instead of voting, posting that he thought comp was scum, and then falling off the thread, he instead made it known that he was one of the first to post a case on him, and made himself known as the night post approached. Would of course like to hear others' thoughts on this, but so far he looks pretty green to me. No it is not what I was talking about. Posts are spoilered below: + Show Spoiler + On December 20 2011 09:22 TotallyNotTwoPeople wrote: Because 2 things: 1) I don't think he is scum, as I have posted about before. 2) Modkills kill people just as well as lynches, and discussing someone who can't defend himself at all (by being completely afk from the thread) doesn't really help town discussion. On December 17 2011 07:16 TotallyNotTwoPeople wrote: @VE I agree in wanting discussion going on besides just the Curu/ProfessorBadass lynch. I believe I mentioned it before, but I am leaning toward newbie town over newbie scum on nycz. As I mentioned before, I think if he was on a scum team they would have offered him at least some pointers on his play to make it less useless. If I am correct about him being town, I'd really appreciate it if he could step it up and be more active and post some well thought-out analysis on someone. At the very least he could do what he said he would do here:+ Show Spoiler + @nycz Have you looked at any of the guides/records of previous games? Regarding evantrees, I see a lot of the stuff that scum loves to do to be 'useful', like answering things that can be answered by looking in the op, looking at the voting thread, etc. I would be much more comfortable lynching him than I would be lynching nycz. @evantrees How about you give your top 2 scum reads and some analysis on them? You said you were trying to be helpful, and your scum reads will be infinitely more helpful than things like:+ Show Spoiler + We do Time Cycle: Currently the deadline is 2200 EST[local] This game will follow a 48 hour day cycle, 24 hour night cycle. last one took him a few minutes(at 12:19) as well, hopefully not 19 minutes this time. He's making it appropriately themed I suppose. too try keep it at 3 as long as possible as in not go down to 4 members Total Mafia = 5 Mafia kp=#mafia/2 (rounded up) Elected peopel can't be lynched that day. lynchproof for the day only + some sort of ability most likely, expecting Police Chief to show up sometime given the dead list from day 1 but what that would do not sure. so assuming radfield is to be believed about being roleblocked. I could list more, but I think you get the point.the mafia has attorney used a roleblocker and 3 unknowns possibly one a vanilla goon. I really doubt more than 1 vanilla goon given the election. On December 16 2011 09:27 TotallyNotTwoPeople wrote: Hmm, I seem to recall seeing some ideas for posts/posts made in quicktopics before posting them in the thread from past games I have read through, and I have certainly seen some coaching of newbies in them. Regardless, this part still stands: If you believe he is scum, I presume you also believe he was told to play the newbie card rather hard? Unless Greymist believes nycz decided to use that strategy on his own and then decided to ask: on his own as well. On December 16 2011 09:16 HarbingerOfDoom wrote: @greymist What about nyczbrandon makes him seem like scum to you rather than newbie-town? Do you think scum would be letting one of their members say things like: If you believe he is scum, I presume you also believe he was told to play the newbie card rather hard? | ||
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Hey, uh, why do you support a message suggesting that you get shot? | ||
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On December 21 2011 14:16 Liquid`Sheth wrote: TBH the list could easily be Cwave Sheth Nyczbrandon Jitsu Marserreplacement cascades refallen totallynottwopeople He even says 8 people in his post, I guess he just forgot to put you up there. Do you support this initiative? I do not support being my being shot. And I doubt he simply forgot to list me as someone to shoot, considering not long ago he listed me as someone he may protect: On December 21 2011 06:29 Radfield wrote: no one needs to know whom I am protecting. I can figure that out on my own. zeks, TNTP, Prankster, etc. For now I think the best action is Dues-ex as #1 and Greymist as #2. | ||
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Can you please explain your town read on Jitsu? I am just not seeing it. | ||
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On December 22 2011 08:15 jaj22 wrote: @Deus: I'm guessing it's not because you're his top living scumread http://www.teamliquid.net/forum/viewpost.php?post_id=12843557 Hey, you've had some time to catch up on things now...what are your current top scum reads? | ||
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@Zeks, I am fine with that setup for the election. Will be casting my election vote for Radfield. So, for the lynch: cwave, cascades, and jitsu, how is everyone feeling about these three? I'm going to reread filters again, but they all seem like perfectly good targets to me. Now to see which seems the most likely to flip red... I'd be willing to entertain a handful of other options if Radfield or Zeks wishes to pursue others. | ||
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Five Players to Save: Arctocod, GiygaS, Radfield, Zentor, and ProfBA. Sheth seems to be floundering a bit when under pressure. Not sure if this is a scum read, and I know it's obviously a re-hash of what people have already said. Unsure of yourself, or just distancing from fellow scum? Either way about the lightest of an accusation possible.Your post explaining the situation with prof.ba was around the time Sheth voted for him...perhaps the time that it was agreed in the scum qt to go full speed ahead with the bus? Your post about it before that one: On December 17 2011 05:36 Jitsu wrote: Lol. So. What did you do, Curu? On December 18 2011 12:15 Jitsu wrote: Maybe it is just me, but the congratulating VE feels forced here.Viscera, you're the man! GOod job. Sorry about my lack of activity today guys. Had two seperate Christmas parties to go to tonight, and am actually going to hit the sack. I believe my votes are in for today, so we should be all good. Nice pick on Bumatlarge. VE, all you baby. ~Jitsu Late game scum reads: Up until about 5 minutes ago, I was pretty convinced about Sheth, GreyMist, and Comprissent. Next post you list your scum reads as follows:1st place: Comprissent is Top on my list. 2nd place: My next suspect is nyczbrandon. 3rd place: This spot is the void that was Greymist. As of now, it has been replaced with Deus-Ex-Mafia. No mention of Sheth. Also despite being "pretty convinced" about Sheth prior to that, you had made no accusations against him. That being said, you are not my strongest scum read currently. | ||
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On December 22 2011 13:43 GreYMisT wrote: It is obvious of course that we should type our votes in thread as we would if there were no other voting thread. Please do this, If your vote in here does not match the final vote tally you die. Already thought of that, won't really help us I don't think, as I reread the daypost before posting it and deleted my post because... Only the results of the lynch and election shall be revealed at the end of the day. The vote count will not be public knowledge. However, I still support posting your vote in this thread, as I always have. We just won't be able to verify them very easily. | ||
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On December 23 2011 03:52 zeks wrote: It would be nice for all vanillas to claim right now Only the vanillas? Well then, just to make it clear that I am complying with this and not ignoring it, I am a blue. I can claim the details of my role if needed, but otherwise I will leave it at that. | ||
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2. nyczbrandon 3. GreYMisT 5. Comprissent 7. Spaackle 11. MrZentor 13. prplhz 14. GiygaS 15. evantrees 16. Arctocod 17. bumatlarge 20. Eiii 21. xsksc 22. Liquid`Sheth 23. VisceraEyes 25. ProfessorBadass Claimed: 1. jaj22 6. TotallyNotTwoPeople 9. Cwave 12. risk.nuke 18. Jitsu Unclaimed: 4. DEUS-ex-MAFIA 8. Refallen 10. zeks 19. Radfield 24. cascades My claim is obviously verifiable, but sadly not today. I'd be interested in hearing from the remaining unclaimed people, but even so far that is a lot of alleged green compared to what has flipped so far... | ||
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We also have only 24 hours left to decide our lynch. I would prefer to lynch into the group of Cwave, Cascades, and Jitsu. Other opinions on the matter? | ||
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On December 23 2011 12:15 Jitsu wrote: I asked you before; I'll ask again. Why are you so gung ho about getting me killed? You have yet to explain your case. ...wtf are you talking about? On December 22 2011 13:55 TotallyNotTwoPeople wrote: People you lay suspicion on: evantrees, Comprissent, nycz, refallen Unsure of yourself, or just distancing from fellow scum? Either way about the lightest of an accusation possible. Your post explaining the situation with prof.ba was around the time Sheth voted for him...perhaps the time that it was agreed in the scum qt to go full speed ahead with the bus? Your post about it before that one: Maybe it is just me, but the congratulating VE feels forced here. Late game scum reads: Next post you list your scum reads as follows: 1st place: Comprissent is Top on my list. 2nd place: My next suspect is nyczbrandon. 3rd place: This spot is the void that was Greymist. As of now, it has been replaced with Deus-Ex-Mafia. No mention of Sheth. Also despite being "pretty convinced" about Sheth prior to that, you had made no accusations against him. That being said, you are not my strongest scum read currently. The closest you have come to accusing known scum is your soft accusations on Sheth. Now add to that the fact that we presumably know all 5 scum roles and that none of them are vanilla, and you have claimed to be yet another vanilla town, which past flips indicate are a rare breed. You are still not my strongest scum read, but the remaining suspicious people are not very numerous. I would be quite surprised to find any scum outside of this group: 1. jaj22 4. DEUS-ex-MAFIA 8. Refallen 9. Cwave 12. risk.nuke 18. Jitsu 24. cascades And as I am sure you're aware, a few of those people look better than the rest. We also may have a way to verify refallen's vet claim if zeks has another shot. | ||
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*sigh* Rewriting it now. | ||
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Skimming through the thread I would give a town read to prplhz, Radfield and Greymist. Check, check, and check.On December 14 2011 12:12 Refallen wrote: I am sure scum were aware that this game was not extended majority. So unless he was feigning ignorance to try to get away with his bandwagoning (which I doubt), a point for him being town.Oh okay, I didn't know that. And sorry, I'll stop talking about the other game. I realise I'm not exactly appearing the most pro-town now and I would like to remedy that. However, I find it hard to come up with original content, especially when I missed most of day 1 and thus could not get involved in the 20+ pages of discussion that happened then. It seems like whenever I think of something it has already been addressed in the thread. On December 14 2011 15:29 Refallen wrote: Calls out the exact scum plan...not something I'd think scum would do.We can reasonably treat Artocod as town at this point. And since we have confirmation that Palmar didn't withdraw, what do we make of the fact that profbadass immediately stepped up for the pardoner post? Don't you think that this is the kind of exact ideal situation that mafia would have tried to brew, getting a mafia pardoner, when Artocod was forced to withdraw? On December 15 2011 12:46 Refallen wrote: Unless Greymist or Radfield are somehow scum, even if Refallen is scum 4 scum had to be on Radfield. Giving away where his whole team was hiding when he could easily increase suspicion on the others? I highly doubt that.The idea that the list of those who had voted for ProfBA to be pardoner has to have some mafia in it is something I've seen more than one person espousing in the thread so I just want to say that I completely disagree with this line of thinking right now. Firstly, as ProfBA has pointed out, he was the natural choice of pardoner after palmar/syllo votes were nulled. And he was even there at that time to immediately step up and say "I am the natural choice," something that I am sure many people agreed with. There is simply no reason for mafia to need to vote ProfBA to get him to office (note that I'm not actually saying that ProfBA is scum/town or anything, but just illustrating the fact that the idea that scum votes must be on ProfBA is false, since even if he was scum, the mafia didn't need to vote for him because of the lack of another viable candidate as well as ProfBA actively going for the pardoner role.) So no, if anything I think the Radfield list is more likely to contain scum. What do you guys think? Was clearly not fond of Sheth: Also, now that prplhz is dead (and was clearly town in day 1 imo), what can we say about people who suspected him in day 1, which iirc included Sheth? On December 16 2011 09:52 Refallen wrote: Jitsu, for the timing issue, look at where I live... I honestly just woke up. And my post timings are always around this timing because it's early morning over here. Also, I am getting suspicious of Sheth. + Show Spoiler + First off, I know this is nothing conclusive, but I'm really suprised Arcto / Rad ./ ProfBA the veterans didn't come up with this. So, last night we had a few interesting things occur. One, was the "Town Vig shot" on Eiii. And then we had the 2 deaths announced at the end, where xsksc and prplhz were killed. Also, Arcto claims that there was a mafia shot on him and that he lived through it. Arctocod says "we were shot last night, amazing. So now we "Know" where the 3 KP of the mafia were used. As long as we assume Arctocod is town, which I do. It was used on xsksc + prplhz + arcto. Makes sense right?! Wrong. Why would mafia waste a KP that come on, lets be honest shouldn't be used singly on Arcto. There are other options here that I've thought of. So let me discuss them. If instead of this, one of xsksc / prplhz was killed by another vigilante and Arcto was double stacked and still saved. Which I find unlikely, but not impossible. Or a newbie medic, despite us yelling to save Arcto chose to save someone else and magically got it correct and Arcto is just lieing. Also pretty much impossible. With Arcto now claiming to be shot and no one else coming out with "I was shot at night" or no one else dead, we can assume he really was shot. This has been pretty simple logic so far and not at all what I'm trying to get at. The major points I'm saying so far is that Mafia using 1 KP on Arctocod was a stupid move. Theres no way around it. One option of this stupid move was just that were dealing with "Newbie" mafia. I suppose some other options include that the ability to make Arctocod step down, took 1 KP is possible. However I think thats unlikely. After thinking this all through last night I was thinking to myself what if the kill that Giygas / Arcto used was actually a mafia KP. I think theres a chance that Giygas is a "Mafia Vig" who is doing this simply for town cred. This leads to a whole new area of thought where you have to wonder how legitimate Arcto is and if Mafia had this whole situation planned out for a while. I don't really want to get in to that here. I want to go more into why I think this was a Mafia Vig Shot. As we all know, last night Arctocod recieved a package, a letter asking who to hit with a "Letter bomb" I'm just calling it that because someone already did. It ended up killing Eiii a blue townie. This letter bomb wasn't used as a group town ability simply as a "Giygas / Arctocod" ability. And it was sent to Arctocod while they were looking at Eiii quite harshly I believe. This part I'm not completely sure of, but I think its possible Giygas could geuss that Arctocod wasn't pressuing a mafia at the time so he would get a good townie to kill. This would explain the one thing that was bugging me while I slept. Why did Arctocod get a KP used on him? I think its possible Giygas's power did this. I can definetly see a power in this game like "Mafia Terrorist" Once per game you may exchance a Mafia KP for sending a private PM to one player and this player will appear to have been shot at night and saved and then sending a second private PM that will detonate killing chosen player". This is basically the power that Giygas used, minus the few things that make it mafia. This power would simply makes a Mafia player look like a legit town vigilante. I think its definetly a possiblility, almost likely considering I think its either this or Mafia has no veterans and just chose to waste one hit on Arcto. This could have been watched and obviously was going to be protected so I can't even see newbies making this mistake. Or something else I haven't thought of yet. Especially this post here. He makes a really convoluted case on Giygas here, a pretty much confirmed townie, and was pushing him several posts before that too. This was really weird to me, because Sheth seems to be from his previous postings a pretty logical player, so I find it suspicious he's trying to concoct a case on Giygas. On December 18 2011 15:38 Refallen wrote: Haha VE no idea where that came from, but well done! evan claim when the night is over if you're a powerrole, no sense to do it during the night. I want to take a closer look at Sheth, and maybe Radfield too. On December 20 2011 12:26 Refallen wrote: Totally, I'm suspicious of sheth and Cwave, evantrees as well. I'll post in more detail later. On December 20 2011 13:37 Refallen wrote: Ok, so I'm having a bad feeling about sheth because of this. He has accused several people over the course of this thread of being mafia, let's list them out now. Day 1 - zeks - MrZentor (claimed blue?) - prplhz (VT) And then he bandwagoned spaackle, which is fine, except that he flipped blue too. Day 2 - really convoluted case on Giygas (who by the way I think most of us can say is definitely town) - really resistant on voting for ProfBadass until it seems like his lynching is inevitable (then jumped on the bandwagon and said how Greymist & Jitsu actually posted logic as an excuse? to vote ProfBadass) All these things when taken in isolation probably dosen't mean much, but I have a bad feeling when it all comes from the same person. | ||
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Known: 2. nyczbrandon 3. GreYMisT 5. Comprissent 7. Spaackle 11. MrZentor 13. prplhz 14. GiygaS 15. evantrees 16. Arctocod 17. bumatlarge 20. Eiii 21. xsksc 22. Liquid`Sheth 23. VisceraEyes 25. ProfessorBadass Claimed: 1. jaj22 4. DEUS-ex-MAFIA 6. TotallyNotTwoPeople 8. Refallen 9. Cwave 12. risk.nuke 18. Jitsu 24. cascades Dear Leader: 10. zeks 19. Radfield @Cwave Does everyone realise that people that have powers or win elections can be scum? Or is lynch all VT's who roleclaim till they are all dead the way its gonna go down. Deus claimed VT. You want Deus lynched but think lynching claimed VT's is dumb? Well, either way, if you disagree with the lynching claimed VT's, which known or claimed power roles would you like to see dead? | ||
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On December 24 2011 01:21 Radfield wrote: Looking over Cascades filter is not particularly reassuring. His play is 80% defence, 19% speculation and 1% scumhunting. Up until his case on Deus-ex he has done almost no scumhunting the entire game. I will say that there are still things that make him seem town, mainly the way in that he goes to lengths defending himself when he doesn't have to, and his defense against Greymist's accusations. I wouldn't be super surprised if he flipped scum, but I still think that Cwave is a better candidate. Both Refallen and TnTP have claimed blue roles, which takes us to a whopping 10 blue roles. However at least 4 or 5 of those roles are only worth half a blue(Politician, Day-Extender, Attorney, PSA, Lobbyist). For now I would take their claims at face-value. However I disagree that our current secret ballot voting has to be a scum power. It could very easily just be a game mechanic, and would be very strange for mafia to use it on this day instead of other days. In fact, I would expect the mafia to have a voting role like TnTP instead. If you are still suspicious of me, I'd be happy to answer any and all questions you might have. Also, in case you didn't notice the first time I stated it, my power only lets me place an extra vote in the election, not in the lynch voting. And for what it's worth, if I was scum with anonymous voting powers, why wouldn't I have been creating confusion with it? Perhaps a nice anonymous vote on you day 1, or throw one on Giygas when he was elected. I'm sure it would have caused lots of useless speculations and suspicion (which is exactly why I have never used it). @Deus What's your opinion of Jitsu currently? | ||
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TotallyNotTwoPeople
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On December 24 2011 03:19 jaj22 wrote: No, that's not what I meant. Comprissent was scummy as hell, but green, so your tunnelling makes sense regardless of whether you're town or scum. It makes you a null read, bar the anti-Sheth post. There are so many confirmed or near-confirmed townies that you're probably around #4 in most people's lynch-target lists. If you don't like that, I'd suggest posting some fresh analysis. You sub in fairly late to a game and have read/understood the thread better than plenty of people that have been in this game since the start. I like this guy. | ||
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TotallyNotTwoPeople
United States160 Posts
On December 22 2011 13:58 Jitsu wrote: Meh. I guess I could see it. Although, when I made that list, it was after GreY role-claimed I believe, so since he came out blue, I didn't think Sheth was blindly defending his mafia scum anymore. Oh well, I guess it gives me 48 hours to find someone better to lynch, then. Night guys. You decided not to bother with that I guess? | ||
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TotallyNotTwoPeople
United States160 Posts
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TotallyNotTwoPeople
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Hopefully you will understand the meaning behind this message: "A reminder that your discussion is limited" If it is unclear, let me know. | ||
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TotallyNotTwoPeople
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Not sure if I'll actually be around in the next while to give any more illuminating clues, so hopefully I've given you the grounds for understanding me. @all I will probably not be around much in the next 48 hours, but I'll do what I can. | ||
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TotallyNotTwoPeople
United States160 Posts
Surely you can think of a way to ask that so you'll understand the answer but scum will not? I'm afraid that as it stands that question gives away a bit more than I would like. | ||
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TotallyNotTwoPeople
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I'll be busy for the holidays. | ||
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TotallyNotTwoPeople
United States160 Posts
I already claimed my full role? Double vote in elections. Anonymous and in final count only. Once per cycle. It appears today is the last day I have to prove my role. Therefore, I will be using my role for the first time this game. Also, yes, I could see what they were posting in the quicktopic and breadcrumbed it in a way that was painfully obvious to them, while hopefully not 100% transparent to others. For some added confusion I always addressed Radfield with my posts, even if I was answering Zeks. I really wanted to post in there, but posting in it was not part of the role granted to me. @Radfield I really wanted to yell at you to protect Zeks, but wasn't sure how to tell you in a way that wouldn't just get me or you shot instead :-/ He may have been back to vanilla after that shot, but he had a very important ability today - he was eligible for election. I share the concerns he expressed in the QT, but perhaps it is just paranoia. Still @Radfield I followed your request from post #8, but I have company coming over. I will defer to your experience, and leave it up to you to share the meaning of that to the others whenever you deem most appropriate. Please refer to Zek's post on the matter if anything seems unclear, and, I want to reiterate this, I am busy for the holidays. If for some reason you don't understand this, let me know ^_^ @All I will remain silent on my lynch/election choice for now, as I would rather wait until Radfield discloses what I just told him, and will let discussion continue in the meantime. | ||
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TotallyNotTwoPeople
United States160 Posts
Was just leaving your options open for any pressuring you might have wanted to do, but I suppose if I need to spell it out, I will just disclose it to everyone now. Sadly, I did not get any abilities from the election other than the ability to read the 'private' thread given to Radfield that he used to mason Zeks. Radield, I was hoping that after I answered Zeks regarding the extent of my abilities, you would protect elsewhere considering this logic no longer held: "yeah i think we just need to keep tntp alive for this cycle so we get results of the check" @Deus: + Show Spoiler + On December 21 2011 06:36 DEUS-ex-MAFIA wrote: okay, who do we lynch? 1. Cascades 2. nyczbrandon 3. Comprissent i favor the lynchcandidates in this order. Complain about removing nycz from the choices: On December 21 2011 07:02 DEUS-ex-MAFIA wrote: Announcement: we don't lynch nyczbrandon today!!! You may chose between Cascades and Comprissent I don't know why you guys do that! There is nothing favouring nyczbrandon over the other two players. :-( I list nycz as likely to be town, you list him as 3rd best option for flipping scum, then complain: On December 21 2011 13:28 DEUS-ex-MAFIA wrote: NO, IT WAS ME!!!!!!!!!!!!! I WANTED YOU TO GET YOUR VOTES OFF NCBLABLABLA fuck!!! tomorrow we lynch cascades!!! I knew it!!! fuck!!! and ncyblabla was my weakest scumread!!! I didn't want to lynch him... Damn Radfield :-D Cascades is the shit! I should have pushed for his lynch so much stronger :-( You have no right to complain if you don't actually spell out your reads at all, and you certainly have no right to complain about your third best scum read out of 16 flipping green and yelling at anyone that thought he was scum. Especially considering that list was when there were still 3 scum left. Also, if you didn't want Jitsu dead, maybe you should have bothered answering questions regarding him, rather than waiting until he got shot to start bitching? On December 22 2011 07:22 TotallyNotTwoPeople wrote: @Deus Can you please explain your town read on Jitsu? I am just not seeing it. On December 24 2011 03:23 TotallyNotTwoPeople wrote: @Deus What's your opinion of Jitsu currently? If you ignore me and my questions, then don't expect me to give a fuck about what you say. Also, questions for TNTP: 1. How hard did Radfield try to persuade Zeks not to shoot Jitsu? 2. Was there anything in the Zeks/Radfield chat that made you so sure that Radfield is town? HoD: Don't make the same mistake that you made in Newbie Mini Mafia. 1: As he already mentioned, he did not push it very hard, but he did state that his preference was cascades. 2: I trust Greymist the most, but no one completely. Given that Zeks flipped town, I don't know what you would expect to be particularly revealing of alignment in the private thread? Do you have reason to believe that he is scum? If so, I would be interested to hear the case. I've heard he has led the town as scum before, so I suppose it is not out of the realm of possibilities, but it is certainly not my foremost concern. | ||
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TotallyNotTwoPeople
United States160 Posts
On the topic of the actual game itself... Voting risk.nuke as I trust him more than I trust ja. Either way though, whoever passes on the plan better damn well say what it is, and whoever then gets to pick whether or not to enact it better say as well. I would like the rest of us to be consulted on which plan to pass on as well, although I realize we could be lied to on this. God help you two if you don't claim the same thing. I think the odds of us having at least one scum in office is too high to let them act at their own discretion tonight. @Deus You think I'm scum now? Come at me bro. I'd love to hear whatever "reasoning" you might have. | ||
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TotallyNotTwoPeople
United States160 Posts
On December 28 2011 06:59 DEUS-ex-MAFIA wrote: "@Deus You think I'm scum now? Come at me bro. I'd love to hear whatever "reasoning" you might have." ah you're such an idiot. It's nothing personal if I think about the possibility that you might be scum. I take every circumstance into consideration and I try to figure out how to win this. by the way. I already delivered a reason that makes you suspicious but I didn't say your scum yet. If you read correctly you can see that very clearly. I hate to deal with this kind of stupidity and lazyness. This will be my last game for a while. I can quote at least 5 questions of mine you have failed to answer during this game, and at least 3 instances of you being confused due to not reading things already stated in the thread. You don't get to bitch about "lazyness". If your reason is because of that role you claim is "pretty similar" to mine, let's review some things. My role is every cycle, that role is two shot. My role is for elections only, that role is for election and lynch. My role is an anonymous vote, that role moves someone else's vote. Similar: both are only reflected in final tally, both are related to voting. But I don't see how any of that is relevant in the slightest or how it is a reason for finding me suspicious. Last time you called me scum you posted this as reasoning and ignored every request I made for more details: 2. I filtered you guys and you did nothing this game. No real opinion given on anything axcept risk, greymist and zentor. These players have been discussed several times and nearly everyone gave an opinion. And you only repeated thing that have already been said. So no, explain yourself more than that lazy as fuck post you made complaining about me being lazy. I am thoroughly tired of your bullshit.As for your claim that you never called me scum, while it is true you never directly did so, but... On December 27 2011 14:22 DEUS-ex-MAFIA wrote: You are definitely implying that you think I am scum along with cascades here, as this post was right after the quote about the roles.I was just thinking about how I don't like refallen as cascades scumbuddy and it suddenly came to me. On December 26 2011 07:59 DEUS-ex-MAFIA wrote: You are voting for jaj to be elected, so are you voting for someone you think is scum, or do you think I am scum? Whichever it is, I want a damn good explanation for it.it's obvious btw. If jaj is innocent, tntp is the next. | ||
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TotallyNotTwoPeople
United States160 Posts
On December 28 2011 08:04 jaj22 wrote: The post I was going to write now feels like pissing into a shitstorm, so I'll stick to the essentials. On elections: I don't think it matters much who gets the second election place as if they don't share the plans openly, they're just going to get lynched tomorrow. What might get ugly is if mafia can use that candidate-withdrawal power a third time, but that stuff happens after my bedtime anyway. @TNTP: Remember to make your extra vote. Already sent it in. | ||
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TotallyNotTwoPeople
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What's your opinion of deus? | ||
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Can you clarify whether the secret ballot was a player ability or a non-player-specific game-mechanic? | ||
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On December 28 2011 12:04 kitaman27 wrote: Day Five Final Tally: risk.nuke (5): GreYMisT, Radfield, cascades, jaj22 (3): DEUS-ex-MAFIA, Refallen, risk.nuke Refallen (1): Proof of my anonymous election voting. I think you all should be able to figure out where my extra vote went. | ||
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TotallyNotTwoPeople
United States160 Posts
On December 28 2011 13:02 GreYMisT wrote: Risk mafia were already bussing cascades a while back, See Sheth's filter and him saying that he wanted to lynch cascades before he died. I would personally look for people who soft defended cascades by shifting blame onto another. Check out jaj then. He allegedly voted for cascades during the secret ballot, but who knows if he really did... | ||
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TotallyNotTwoPeople
United States160 Posts
On December 28 2011 16:10 Refallen wrote: Shouldn't the military adviser be posting the two scenarios for his role now? He has never posted between 10:00 and 21:00 TL time during this game. | ||
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TotallyNotTwoPeople
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TotallyNotTwoPeople
United States160 Posts
On December 28 2011 23:58 jaj22 wrote: Anyway, I don't think there's much information in the military campaigns that could be of use to scum nightkills, so I'll paraphrase them here: Campaign #1: Cause a double lynch in the next cycle. Campaign #2: Reveal identities of all third party players. #1 is the obvious choice given the number of players remaining if we don't think there are really any third parties (we get three lynches rather than two before the end of the game). #2 is worrying me because both TNTP and Radfield are plausible third parties. ...a double-voter with no kp is a plausible third party to you? | ||
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TotallyNotTwoPeople
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TotallyNotTwoPeople
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Why I didn't use double lynch is because I don't like the way there were almost no discussion about the third party reveal which I thought was really good because we can't deduct the possibility of a SK despite what you say and even if it didn't reveal a sk it could reveal 1-2 townfriendly role that would let us eliminate them from the scum circle and by that increase our chance to hit scum. I think making confirmed townies unkillable is the better option. The Commander-In-Chief has selected the double lynch campaign! All players have two votes in the day six lynch. You must vote for two different players. The roles and the alignments of all lynched players will not be revealed. There is no election today. The vote count will be updated by myself and cyber, rather than zbot. You have 48 hours. Wat? | ||
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TotallyNotTwoPeople
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On December 29 2011 12:53 Refallen wrote: I find it also extremely weird that a mafia would target rad after you claimed fake vet-making as your ability. You obviously thought rad was a very likely town (you've been asking him about opinions and to commentate on your scum reads), so I don't think mafia would have taken the risk and gone for radfield You also haven't explained why you wanted to lie. Well, myself and greymist were the only two to post between his claim and the end of night...and I think we already knew neither me nor greymist are scum, soooo yeah, I don't think risk's little tactic accomplished anything/gives us any useful info. | ||
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I was planning to vote jaj for lynch regardless of what he did tonight. I placed my extra election vote on refallen because I trusted him more than I trusted jaj. | ||
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TotallyNotTwoPeople
United States160 Posts
On December 29 2011 13:04 Refallen wrote: No TnTP I'm not third party, I'm with town. Survivors can win with town, is nbd. | ||
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TotallyNotTwoPeople
United States160 Posts
What was the prankster ability anyway? Just curious, don't recall you ever mentioning. | ||
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We get two lynches today, we need to decide on two targets :-D | ||
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TotallyNotTwoPeople
United States160 Posts
On December 29 2011 13:23 risk.nuke wrote: Greymist is my strongest Townread I'm not sure on TnTp but I'd place him higher the the others on the townie scale. Also radfield belived there must be atleast 1 goon so I'll put the trust in rad and give TnTp the benefit of the doubt. so well it's Jaj refallen or dues. And we got three lynched so we can nail everyone of these three. Grey if you don't think it will cause any harm by keeping it hidden then don't say. Unless it also won't cause any harm by sharing it, you do as you please. @risk Scum has used the election withdrawal ability, without a scum with that ability flipping yet. It isn't a matter of scum having a goon, it is them all having power roles and my power role not matching up with any of them. | ||
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