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On December 12 2011 06:15 Liquid`Sheth wrote: Wait I'm not GM?! oh.. you think I'm LiquidSheth?! I'm actually just his friend typing on his account. He doesn't really type much on TL ever, so he said I could use it.... I hope thats not a problem? He said because I like mafia so much that I could use it and that here would be an awesome place to play it. Was this not ok? Should I have said this from the start? :X My brain is full of fuck asdfasdf, let the games begin soon! | ||
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On December 12 2011 09:02 Liquid`Sheth wrote: Hey guys what does the text like this mean if you get it in PM? Definitely detecting a troll here It means you die on day 1  | ||
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Radfield's campaign makes the most sense to me so far. One question for all candidates; how do you plan on influencing blue roles to protect the townies? I'd like our mayor/pardoner to keep us well informed of how/what they are doing in order to direct a town victory. Whoever is clearest to me has my vote | ||
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One of the reasons Radfield/Arcotod are running is because of the game experience they have; Having a highly active mayor/pardoner with good game experience from what i've read in earlier games can lead to some folk automatically trusting whoever is in office. Mayor role gives you advantage of showing up town during DT checks (am i right?), and it is a very powerful position, if held by mafia. | ||
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On December 12 2011 14:31 Liquid`Sheth wrote: @prpthz I geuss the only thing I find kind of wrong with your post was this : You say you'd rather have ProfBA and Radfield/Arco in office for the reason if there scum, they'll obviously slip up, but if there town they'll find the scum for us. I think your missing the logic that if you want them in cuz there good at this game, then there probably good enough not to make such an easy slip up... So, If we put someone who is extremely good at the "Head" of our team even if it is just a metaphorical "Head" it'll be extremely tough if hes Scum. I could be wrong, but thats just my oppinion based on thought process alone not too much actual experience. So please tell me if my logic is wrong on this. I think I just got like... quadruple ninja'd lol I do think it is better to put a more active person into office anyways, it is up to town to catch a slipup This being said, it now makes more sense in my head to NOT vote for two extremely active players who are running for office, rather leaving one out of an office. If they are both scum, and experienced, town is in trouble. Leaving a lesser experienced person in office may be helpful, where if both offices turn out to be scum, we have a better chance of catching one. It's just like what was just said, On December 12 2011 14:25 prplhz wrote: Woopsidaisy, ninja'd. What do you mean "somewhat control the game"? Just because they win the elected doesn't mean that everybody has to follow them unconditionally for the rest of the game. How are those roles extremely powerful? An extra vote can be powerful, but it is very rare that we see a lynch that comes down to a single vote anyway, and the Pardoner can't pardon anybody for no reason or the mob will have him. I'd think that it would suck to have Arctocod and Radfield/ProfessorBadass out of office because they will find scum if they are town, and scum can't do anything about it. If they are scum then they will put themselves very much in the spot light and they'll slip up and we'll lynch them, and scum can't do anything about it. Sucks that we didn't get townies the protection, but it's a lot worse to elect a townie who can't find scum over a townie who can find scum. these positions don't really control the game so what's the biggie with leaving one office for someone not as experienced? | ||
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On December 12 2011 14:51 GreYMisT wrote: Actually, upon thinking about this, i would like to alter something. Because the mayor has a hidden power, while the pardoner has an overt one, I would rather have the person i have the strongest town read on in the mayoral position than the pardoner one. this is because if the pardoner does use his power without good reason, he dies the next day. no questions asked. One thing that strikes me about radfield this game is how he immediately tied himself to arctocod in his election post. saying that you should vote for me, but his guy is also a good choice, so he will probally get pardoner anyway, but still vote for me. while an argument could be made that he is trying to show all the new players who to vote for, something sets me off about this. He should theorectically know he is town, and therefore should be pulling out all the stops to get people to vote for him, not endorsing other candidates he doesn't even know the aliengment of. Because of this, i am uncomfortable voting him for mayor at this time. If you are uneasy about him, then why don't you vote him for pardoner in order to keep better tabs on him? By your logic I would like to keep someone questionable in the pardoner office as it is easier to keep track of his/her actions | ||
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Radfield seems the most organized and willing to work with town, even if I don't like his infrequent posting. I would also like Arc, as having two players is very nice to keep safe (as having double the chance for a slipup if he is scum) | ||
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On December 13 2011 05:00 GiygaS wrote: [...] I'll be be putting my tentative lynch vote on Zeks. This will turn in to a real vote if I come back in 3 hours and no new info has really been unveilied/no info that's an easy analysis for a lynch. The points against him have been pointed out by Deus-Ex, he wanted to vote a hydra off for really no reason, other than what I can see that he's threatened by them (a mafia would be threatened!) He also dissappeared for a while, and when he returned, he just quickly answered a quesiton, and didn't either reference or defend his accusations. I would argue that Deus-ex seems the most threatened On December 13 2011 02:01 DEUS-ex-MAFIA wrote: [...] players like you lose games for town. fosing around without any reasons. why dont you use your brain before you post. i didnt attack you in the slightest. i didnt put words in your mouth. i only wanted that you tell me why you dont say that you like rads plan. its so simple. now take your incredibly stupid fos back stop derailing and answer my question: why are you talking with no content? This is a fairly personal attack, that seems suspicious to me | ||
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On December 13 2011 09:09 Eiii wrote: I'm going to be voting Radfield for mayor/pardoner. He would be good to have in either role, and now that he's posted some more I'm pretty confident that he's legit. If anyone hasn't looked at the election voting thread yet, it's literally all rad/arc, so it looks like our candidates are decided unless anyone has some major objections. I'm not going to lie, I generally don't really have any clue what's going on day 1, and this game is no exception. I like prpl and Deus' posting. People have called out zeks a few times, and if you filter his posts it's clearly not without reason-- he went from not wanting a rad/arc office to, twelve hours later, voting for both of them. When questioned about it, he sidesteps the issue entirely. Trying to lay low like that after silently making such a big swing in his stance isn't something I'm comfortable seeing, so I'm throwing my lynch vote on him now. I want to see this guy under more pressure! If Zeks is scum he would have probably made up his mind right away who he wants in office. This makes him seem town as he is trying to feel out the candidates. Also, more have stepped up in this '12 hour' window you've talked about, so I can't blame anyone for changing their minds | ||
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1. Lynch a lurker, guarantee losing a towny 2. Lynch someone active, either hit scum or lose an active towny. So far i think only greymist has the only analysis that is actually backed by logic Spackle, your analysis on Dropbear is 100% theory, and I would not like to lynch based off that MrZentor's reasoning behind going for Zeks explains nothing either, what does 'having the hydra only helps town' mean? This being said, I'd tentatively vote for Jistu. Worst case scenario, we lose a towny either way. But with the amount of active posters, i think it's worth the shot to try for hitting a red. | ||
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On December 13 2011 19:59 Jitsu wrote: + Show Spoiler + Ahhh, just woke up. After seeing the events of the night, I thought i'd give my feeling on who might be someone to pay attention to. I felt worried Comprissent a few of his posts ago, and he recently really got it sparked in my mind that he might be scum. This being said, it now makes more sense in my head to NOT vote for two extremely active players who are running for office, rather leaving one out of an office. If they are both scum, and experienced, town is in trouble. Leaving a lesser experienced person in office may be helpful, where if both offices turn out to be scum, we have a better chance of catching one. This was a valid point. You said we shouldn't have had two people in office at once. Cool. In the next post, you even defend your stance that we shouldn't have those two experienced players in office, by saying have someone questionable in office as Pardoner. Ok, so assuming we stick to this play on No pardoning, no exceptions, the only advantage either of the offices gives is immunity on night 1 from getting hit. This just helps us keep the vets alive, am i right? Radfield seems the most organized and willing to work with town, even if I don't like his infrequent posting. I would also like Arc, as having two players is very nice to keep safe (as having double the chance for a slipup if he is scum) Than you 100% switch your stance to wanting both Arc and Radfield in office. Hmmmm, ok...I could see it, but you're calling *me* wishy-washy? Fine, fine.. If Zeks is scum he would have probably made up his mind right away who he wants in office. This makes him seem town as he is trying to feel out the candidates. Also, more have stepped up in this '12 hour' window you've talked about, so I can't blame anyone for changing their minds You stated if Zeks was scum, he would have voted right away who he wanted to vote for in office. It makes him seem town because he wants to try to feel out the candidates. I think that was exactly the same play I made early, trying to get a feeling for the mayoral candidates. According to that line, I should be pro-town. For the lynching scenario: 1. Lynch a lurker, guarantee losing a towny 2. Lynch someone active, either hit scum or lose an active towny. So far i think only greymist has the only analysis that is actually backed by logic Spackle, your analysis on Dropbear is 100% theory, and I would not like to lynch based off that MrZentor's reasoning behind going for Zeks explains nothing either, what does 'having the hydra only helps town' mean? This being said, I'd tentatively vote for Jistu. Worst case scenario, we lose a towny either way. But with the amount of active posters, i think it's worth the shot to try for hitting a red. but than you go ahead and say that the Anti-Jitsu analysis was backed by logic - logic that is counter-acting your own logic. Also, by my count, the following people (up to Comprissent's) to tentatively vote for me are GreyMist, Radfield, Nisani, and Comprissent, in that order. You also say that the lynching scenario is either Lynch a lurker, and guarantee losing a town (I don't see how you can guarantee to lose a town) or lynch an active player, with a chance of either way. How about we look at some post analysis instead of just picking out of a hat? Comprissent is pretty wavy in my eye. Like to see some thoughts from others. From what i've gathered from vets/reading other games, lynching a lurker is a guaranteed town hit, which I don't want. Yes, I would like more analysis to go on. What i said was greymist is the only one to use logic in his analysis, that being said you're the only one with any analysis on (at the point of that post). I don't think you've been scummy, I am just trying to put my vote somewhere early to help move discussion. I should also pay attention to the accusers in these scenarios, and others have agreed that MrZentor's analyses have made no sense and he does not seem to follow what is going on in this thread. He hasn't posted in several pages, so I want to see more from him. | ||
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On December 14 2011 12:00 MrZentor wrote: I like how Comprissent comes in and votes one minute before it's too late. -.- -.- to you too I've got another final tomorrow morning, it didn't help i was up vomiting at 5am this morning before a final at 8:30 | ||
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On December 14 2011 12:01 Refallen wrote: Also comprissent you formatted your vote wrongly. Yes I just woke, I don't know how strict the rules are on getting votes in on time so i just skipped formatting. I haven't had much time to read the recent gatherings, my vote doesn't matter anyways. From what I did gather my vote for MrZentor would be going for nothing anyways | ||
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On December 14 2011 12:07 Liquid`Sheth wrote: Yea, refallen and Cascades and Comprissent do you have good reasons your voting late? Just bandwagoning perhaps ? read: + Show Spoiler + On December 14 2011 12:04 Comprissent wrote: Yes I just woke, I don't know how strict the rules are on getting votes in on time so i just skipped formatting. I haven't had much time to read the recent gatherings, my vote doesn't matter anyways. From what I did gather my vote for MrZentor would be going for nothing anyways Why is it different that i vote 2 minutes later than 5 other posts in the voting thread anyways? I'm exhausted from finals so i'm probably just going to lack activity and common sense until later tomorrow | ||
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On December 14 2011 12:07 Liquid`Sheth wrote: Yea, refallen and Cascades and Comprissent do you have good reasons your voting late? Just bandwagoning perhaps ? It's bandwagoning in the sense that i just picked one of the candidates who were about to be lynched, but it was mostly so I could get my vote off of MrZentor | ||
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On December 14 2011 12:16 prplhz wrote: Why did you want to get your vote off MrZentor? Because it was strongly suggested earlier that he may have blue/ get shot anyways | ||
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Only comment I have for now is for Radfield, if you keep assuring us your first few days are never good, why should we listen to your opinions on lynching targets? | ||
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It looks like discussion has stalled because we have decided our officer elections already. I'll be voting Gigyas, as I do think Arc will better be able to put to use whatever role the SoD may get. As for lynch targets, i'm having a look through filters now, will post again after lunch | ||
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On December 16 2011 02:59 Jitsu wrote: Not sure if it's relevant, but I kind of have that scum feeling with risk, although I have nothing to substantiate it. Will check filters for evidence. Still feel Comprissent is somewhat scummy. Hey risk, just wondering, but who do you think would be good to look at for possible scum-evidence, and why do you feel that way? Please elaborate on why i'm scummy, I know i've been a bit inactive, and that's probably most of any reason to mistake me for scum. I've noticed you only really appear to post after I post, and attempt to direct discussion onto me. If you recall I never said I suspected you of scum, in fact I said I did not think you were such. There's also really no motive for me to change my mind, according to you I haven't done anything scummy but rather just 'picked you out of a hat', which upset you | ||
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On December 16 2011 03:51 Jitsu wrote: Yeah, by that logic, I would be all over GreYMisT too. I get a towny-feel from him. Conversely, you bandwagon-ed against me from GreY's post without any analysis of your own, pretty sure. At least, I just checked the filter, and you pretty much said "Yeah, player A and player B would be good lynches I feel. That being said, let's lynch Jitsu." Logic. Yes it was something I immediately recognized and did not vote for you because of that. There ended up being no solid analysis for anyone day1, and we ended up lynching a blue, no surprise Also, will you all please spell my name right >.< | ||
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@Sheth, I haven't been posting much recently since I don't feel like I have enough background to contribute anything to the discussion. I really, really dislike playing with hydras (especially ones that keep referencing previous game behavior and using it as basis for building a case on eachother. If I had it my way, I would insist spirit of the game dictates players only use info/playstyle from the current game). This bullshit just confuses me more than anything to add much, and with everybody not referencing them by their hydra names it doesn't help me at all. I have been attempting to analyze the target who were hit last night. Xsksc, prplhz, and (assuming he is telling the truth,) Arcotod. So far, there is so little in common I really can't tie anything together, which initially made me conclude that the mafia are either brilliant in picking their targets, or are just random-firing at anything not red. Xsksc had the least activity so I picked him first to look up on to see why mafia would want to go for him. Here, he says he would lynch profBA on a hunch (just intuition) + Show Spoiler + On December 13 2011 21:32 xsksc wrote: If I had to lynch someone right now on a hunch I would lynch Prof Badass. If I had to pardon one of the above, I'd probably pardon Dropbear. His filter looks the most pro-town at the moment, more so than the others at least. Obviously this is just vibes and feelings at the moment, I don't have anything solid to go on yet. This really doesn't tell me anything as he isn't even sure of his own reasoning Later on he points out Marserblood's poor attempts to get in on 'safe' picks + Show Spoiler + On December 14 2011 09:13 xsksc wrote: Sheth's filter reads enthusiastic townie to me, I don't see much of a case on him. I'd prefer to lynch someone like this guy: These are terrible justifications for voting. MarserBlood looks like scum trying to fit in and get on the safest lynch possible. Later on he re-quotes himself and asks why nobody has picked up on his case. Might be a free reason to mafia to hit him with minimal suspicion, but this is unlikely imo. He then pressures risk.nuke into making a case on Greymist here: + Show Spoiler + On December 14 2011 12:02 xsksc wrote: That's fair enough if you only feel someone is suspicious day 1, but you seem almost adamant that Greymist is scum. What reasons do you have for this? Why would you expect us to lynch him just because you say so? So thus far i've been looking into Greymist/risk.nuke All i keep getting is this 'WIFOM' crap and theory that I can't really prove If mafia wants to hit risk, this post makes me believe they will think twice about hitting him + Show Spoiler + On December 14 2011 11:42 risk.nuke wrote: No scum would ever play the way I am doing right now. Scum doesn't want to be the ones who takes action. So say I'm scum and I lynch greymist who then would be town. Next day I would have to fight for my life not to get lynched not to mention all my town cred would be gone. Tell me that is scumplay. Suspicion would immediately fall on Greymist, but's that easily avoided by not hitting him. I won't even try to start on prplhz/Arc now. I've found near all of their actions conflicting. Arc was suspicious of Badass at the start, prplhz believes badass is a poor lynch target. Arc then suspects dropbear's play, while prplhz wants Nisani and Refallen lynched. Arc then 'uses?' Gigya's gift to blow up Eiii, due to prplhz's reasoning. So confusing. Makes this scenario where mafia withhold a kp and just tell Arc to announce he's been hit seem more likely. But there's almost no chance of this actually being true. Motivation is a whole nother monster to consider Most of this might just be stream of conscious, let me know what everyone's thoughts are. I will try to post more later, i've got exam review today and then a league of legends lan tonight (where i have to stomp some school scrubs), so i'll do my best to be around. | ||
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On December 17 2011 04:57 GiygaS wrote: God damnit, I got ninja'd in my idea >.< Hah I will echo your conclusions, Marserblood and Nisani/VE are the ones who I was going to take a look into next | ||
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On December 17 2011 05:14 GreYMisT wrote: You can't really analyize the reasons behind night kills too much, it creates too much WIFOM. So you would argue the hits were completely random? And we should just ignore trying to explain any of the motivation for these kills? I find it hard to believe scum would just pick targets at random. There has to be some reasoning behind their hits | ||
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On December 17 2011 05:27 GreYMisT wrote: Of course there is reasoning. that is not what WIFOM means. it means that you cannot predict the reasoning behind someone's actions when they are fully aware their actions will be scrutinized. For example, you might conclude prp died to take suspicion off of zeks, but what if mafia knew that and killed prp so we would think that is just what they were doing and zeks is really town? or maybe.... At the least it narrows a suspect list considerably. We can at least keep this in mind and reevaluate the suspects and their later actions | ||
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On December 17 2011 05:58 VisceraEyes wrote: Sheth and GiygaS calm down...mafia can hide when people go back and forth and back and forth. Implying they aren't already hiding behind the ProfBA/Arc drama? | ||
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On December 17 2011 06:06 Jitsu wrote: Also, something to note: When the pressure came on hard on Curu, Comprissent came out for the defense, trying to divert attention onto other things. Excuse me? I am trying to defend what? I have not even mentioned which way my lynch vote would go. As of now, professorbadass is an easy lynch since he has given up for town. I don't want him on my side anymore if he won't try to win for town. If he's scum, all the better he's gone If you are bothering to read the thread, you'll find Greymist did the exact same thing as me a few posts later, simply analyze the town hits. Go by your own logic and suspect him too, why don't you Every time I post you try to tie me into something that's completely untrue. I don't think you're mafia, because you would have given up your attempts to bandwagon me a long time ago when you realized nobody else is picking it up. Try to read posts with an open mind before reading them under the assumption i'm scum. Because honestly, if you keep doing it this way, you're not going to help us catch any mafia. | ||
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On December 17 2011 06:20 Jitsu wrote: I never say didn't pick up on it. I also didn't say I wasn't suspecting him. The accusation was against you. If it bothers you so much, just ignore me and keep looking for mafia. I do read posts from an open mind, and I'm also tunneling you for a reason. And for the record, I am trying to help catch mafia. I think your words for voting for ProfBA is a good one. But keep in mind, we vote to find/lynch mafia - not to rid ourselves of useless town players. Vote based on that, not based on the inability to play as a townie correctly. An accusation that didn't make sense whatsoever, as I wasn't trying to defend anyone. And just for the record, I have been trying to ignore you. But your posts *analysing* me have been completely useless and unhelpful for trying to scumhunt. So useless that I thought it was necessary to finally call you out on it. You are not reading my posts from an open mind, since you have already decided to be suspicious of me. | ||
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Less of it being pressure, more so of it trying to stop your analyses from being useless I'm packing up all my equipment to move it across campus for my league of legends lan shortly, I'll be able to reply sporadically if at all possible for the next several hours | ||
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On December 17 2011 07:10 risk.nuke wrote: Kita, ProfBad locking himself in the house, did he use it on himself or don't we know that. I'm asking because the post makes it sound like he did and if we're not supposed to know who did it it's purposly misleading There's possibility one of his scum buddies could have used it. But as this point, would that even matter? It makes more sense for him to use an ability rather than another mafia, since he is most likely being lynched tonight mafia would want as many options as they have able to be used later on | ||
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On December 17 2011 12:51 Radfield wrote: We only have 13 of 21 people voting for election right now. I want everyone to put their vote in next time they are online. Keep in mind we want GiygaS in #1(Surgeon General), and Arctocod in #2(Defense). Please place your votes accordingly. [...] Are we planning on a third candidate in case scum have another shot at making someone withdraw? As for second lynch, i'm too wiped to analyze filters right now. Beating up noobs in LoL is too tiring I will be taking a first look at marserblood/VE after looking up on the shot people's filters | ||
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On December 18 2011 06:13 GiygaS wrote: I'm giving the temp medics job is to save me and Arc tonight, so that the other medics can focus on Radfield/Zentor? Any objections? This isn't going to work, the 2-shot medic is only allowed to use one protection tonight You are the Surgeon General! Upon election, you have the ability to secretly grant target player the role of 2 shot-medic. You may not grant yourself this ability. The medic may not protect themselves. Only one protection may be used per night. If the bodyguard lives, the Mayor/Pardoner may not be targeted by this action. The medic's role will not be included in their role description upon death. Just curious Arc, you want medic protection on Radfield despite your suspicion of him and his recent inactivity? Or is this still keeping with our 'protecting the best scum hunters' policy? | ||
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On December 18 2011 12:31 GreYMisT wrote: Guess we should save it for the post game, but I wonder why curu flipped like he did. Possibly to draw sympathy unvotes? maybe more was going on at that time that we didnt notice, I'll have to reread that whole section. I don't even know. There's too much background between those vets that I can't even begin to understand wtf happened... | ||
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On December 18 2011 13:35 evantrees wrote: Nice job VisceraEyes and hmm one sub killed the other. Debated not posting this due to the complaints but eh whatever. Why no vote for the election Comprissent, Zeks , and MarserBlood? and Cascades you messed up the format. Also no lynch vote from MarserBlood and risk.nuke. http://www.teamliquid.net/forum/viewmessage.php?topic_id=293723¤tpage=3#55 | ||
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On December 18 2011 13:35 evantrees wrote: Nice job VisceraEyes and hmm one sub killed the other. Debated not posting this due to the complaints but eh whatever. Why no vote for the election Comprissent, Zeks , and MarserBlood? and Cascades you messed up the format. Also no lynch vote from MarserBlood and risk.nuke. No vote for either from Marser just leads to modkill i believe? (ooo i'm double posting, i feel like a badasss) | ||
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On December 19 2011 16:14 evantrees wrote: I went over this though they hadn't voted as well. Comprissent voted gigyas instead of giygas Zeks voted gigyas as well Cascades missed a # all tried to vote, though not sure if the screw ups count against them or not. Bah, spelling fail (And shame on me for doing so when I asked earlier in this thread for people to stop misspelling my name -.-) So i'm gathering filters are broken? Sheth help pls :S One more final tomorrow around noon then I can return to posting consistently | ||
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I am finished with my last final. My brain hurts. But here goes, what I have so far; VE is gone so filtering him won't do me too much good. As for Marserblood, his filter just seems mostly confusion for me. This post stands out as a really poor policy On December 15 2011 10:55 MarserBlood wrote: [...] I think its rather good to lynch the last second, because that way you have the most information, especially when time runs that thin. He's just been replaced by jaj, who only has 4 posts for now so I can't really say I know anything. Oh and there's been a bandwagon started on me while I was away, awesome Jitsu, you've got your facts screwed up again, I haven't been lurking just to defend myself, it's been you who keeps coming in and tunneling me AFTER I post (No shit I will post within the next few pages, else I am modkilled for inactivity) I know you all want me to try and post scum reads, I've done what I can during finals; if you want to dump on my attempt at an analysis, fine, go ahead. I'm a terrible analyst/comprehensive reader (hence the engineering major), and I feel terribly behind the thread atm, so i'll do the best I can. | ||
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It really seems like i'm being bandwagoned into a lynch just because of my 'lack of activity' If you're going to lynch me just to buy time to get reds, then that's cool as long as you have a plan and don't fuck up tonight like last night and get reds | ||
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On December 21 2011 06:42 TotallyNotTwoPeople wrote: I favor comprissent, as I mostly have null-reads on these people, but he has soft-defended the known scum: ...fuck flood control -_- Ok the first one i can understand as a soft defense, but did you bother to read his 'analysis'? My reasoning there was perfectly solid. I don't understand the second one, how is that defending scum? Are we able to do a no-lynch? We seem to have a solid plan for picking off reds tonight, i see no point in risking lynching a townie with whatever odds there are being thrown around | ||
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On December 21 2011 11:00 GreYMisT wrote: We cannot do a no lynch, and do you really have no better targets that you would suggest that? Only suggested because we can't make up our damned minds, there is a reason lynch votes are split between two candidates... | ||
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get protection of the elected roles the fuck away from Arctocod found this funny :Dgg folks, yay town! | ||
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