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On December 16 2011 08:44 nyczbrandon wrote:Show nested quote +On December 16 2011 08:43 GiygaS wrote:Risk's Steamship Filter.In our game, people could describe Risk as: - Chaotic - Aggressive - Accusations without evidence - Angry/A bit rude (No offense) In Steamship (Vanilla Townie): - Very well thought-out posts - Clear - Basically all of his accusations have evidence. - Polite, explains things for people clearly when needed. Does anyone else see these differences? He did say that he was going to try and change styles this time.
No sorry, I think I just had jetlagg from XLVII where I'm still suffering from beeing angry. Some of my accusations have been to spark argumentation. Not greymist though, Greymist is instinct altough I'm sorry I didn't realise you had to call it meta in order for it to be acceptable. Some of you have been freaking out so hard over me not providing solid evidence but compare it to who anyone says they want dead most of them will tell you "I don't like the way he plays, I think his play is suspicious or meta from earlier game" (altough this is starting to change now as we start to leave day 1, I glimpsed at ViceraEyes writing something that looked nice but I also think ViceraEyes is very fickle due to him playing in two game). I've been singled out because I've been more agressive then others.
Me changing my style is not referring to this game which from what I read you seem to belive. I ment I'm gonna stop how I've been playing in this game up untill now.
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On December 16 2011 09:08 VisceraEyes wrote:Show nested quote +On December 16 2011 09:03 risk.nuke wrote:On December 16 2011 08:44 nyczbrandon wrote:On December 16 2011 08:43 GiygaS wrote:Risk's Steamship Filter.In our game, people could describe Risk as: - Chaotic - Aggressive - Accusations without evidence - Angry/A bit rude (No offense) In Steamship (Vanilla Townie): - Very well thought-out posts - Clear - Basically all of his accusations have evidence. - Polite, explains things for people clearly when needed. Does anyone else see these differences? He did say that he was going to try and change styles this time. No sorry, I think I just had jetlagg from XLVII where I'm still suffering from beeing angry. Some of my accusations have been to spark argumentation. Not greymist though, Greymist is instinct altough I'm sorry I didn't realise you had to call it meta in order for it to be acceptable. Some of you have been freaking out so hard over me not providing solid evidence but compare it to who anyone says they want dead most of them will tell you "I don't like the way he plays, I think his play is suspicious or meta from earlier game" (altough this is starting to change now as we start to leave day 1, I glimpsed at ViceraEyes writing something that looked nice but I also think ViceraEyes is very fickle due to him playing in two game). I've been singled out because I've been more agressive then others. Me changing my style is not referring to this game which from what I read you seem to belive. I ment I'm gonna stop how I've been playing in this game up untill now. "fickle due to him playing in two games"....what does this mean? And could you comment on the inconsistencies that GiygaS pointed out between how you played in Steamship Liquidia where you were town-aligned and your play this game? Your cooperation would be appreciated.
What I mean by fickle I mean inconsistant. I think you have the potential to analyze and think and post. I also know you think you can be lazy which I think you were went you went after me, some of the things you have said like, "I was going to do that, let me know what you find out sounds lazy."
I played very differently in Steamship. If you want a reason I would guess moodswings.
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Fuck excuses I'm trying to tell the truth
What do you want from me, I played spammy and agressive in my last game and I was town then but nobody mentions that.
I know I'm town so if you're getting the conclusion that I am mafia you're clearly getting it wrong. ViceraEyes I'm just telling you what your case on me sounded like from my perspective, and in my opinion it wasn't very deep. I think you thought I looked scummy and wrote a bunch of 2 minute posts on me in combination with tunneling. If you were serious and put in alot of effort in reading me well then the more fault to you.
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I read through both Zeks and TnTp, on one readthrough I have a leaning on both but I'm still undecided. Some of their posts I need to track down and watch in context. I'll do that tomorrow. It's 2 a.m. I'm going to go to sleep.
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I was going to do the analysises requested of me last night now but more interesting stuff is going on so they will have to wait.
The more interesting stuff:
I've had a bad feeling about the professor ever since Arctocod got withdrawn and he was elected. If we keep assuming it was a scum abillity they probably have a limited number of uses, I guess 1 max 2. They wouldn't had wasted this abillity which means they have an agenda. The professor was the one who got elected instead, there wasn't any question about that he would be elected. The only logical reasoning is the mafia knew this. Which leaves us here. Either the mafia elected the professor because the professor is scum. Or they elected the professor to make us come to the conclusion that he is scum. These are the only two logical reasoning. Personally I think the first one is the likeliest but that isn't the only reason. If the professor is scum he can hurt town. He knows he is heavily suspiscious and if we don't lynch him today we will likely lynch him soon unless he starts busing. If we choose to lynch someone else and by luck hits a mafia. The professor can pardon him giving them an extra night.
I approve with lynching The Professor today.
Still want greymist dead.
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Pulling a palmar should get you on the banlist imo. We can't have a system where you threaten to ragequit to gain towncred. If you do that Curu I will strongly push for a ban.
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Kita, ProfBad locking himself in the house, did he use it on himself or don't we know that. I'm asking because the post makes it sound like he did and if we're not supposed to know who did it it's purposly misleading
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On December 17 2011 07:11 VisceraEyes wrote:
He stated that he was going to use his power on himself risk. Please read the thread.
still that's not what I was asking, I'm wondering about the way the post was formated for future reference.
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On December 17 2011 07:18 kitaman27 wrote:Show nested quote +On December 17 2011 07:10 risk.nuke wrote:
Kita, ProfBad locking himself in the house, did he use it on himself or don't we know that. I'm asking because the post makes it sound like he did and if we're not supposed to know who did it it's purposly misleading No comment
you can't "no comment", Hypotheticly if ProfBad used that abillity. would the post had looked just the same with a different name if he had used it on someone else or did you write that post biased by the circumstances.
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On December 17 2011 07:31 VisceraEyes wrote:
Risk quit gaming the system. The point of the post was to inform us that ProfBad is no longer posting, and it was due to an action. That's all we get to know, and you should stop wasting time and space arguing with the mod.
stop wasting time and space arguing with questions not directed at you.
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On December 18 2011 06:55 MrZentor wrote:Using a role that helps the town for all to see isn't confirmed?
You're town. Lets not argue about this more, it's a pro town abillity. The host cant be so crual as to give that to mafia, it would be unfairly crual. You've done things like you not use your abillity when arctocod was withdrawn and town was in panic. Since I don't think even the slightest that you are scum your behavior isn't scummy but just newbie play. And even though you're town you're also confirmed green throw in that a medic just might choose to protect you because you are confirmed town. This combined equals you're not an as attractive target as you belive.
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I wish you hadn't done that, Still. Hats of to you, rest in peace.
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Doublepost, nvm we got the godfather lol you lucky idiot. You awesome lucky idiot.
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I didn't think they would go for arctocod today. Giygas you told the one you choose to protect arctocod and other one to protect radfield right. So mafia knew that arctocod would most likely only have 1 kp protection and if nobody speaks up and says they took a hit we should assume they doublestacked arctocod. If they didn't doublestack which I find very unlikely then radfield is probably mafia.
For policechief we should just elect a very strong townread. It's an easy role, check someone during night, tell town next morning. The most attractive about the role is the night immunity. I'm thinking Deus or Zentor for Poliechief. I would like to be elected Prankster.
This is placeholder untill the filters get back, alternativly sheth you could make a list of everyones filter. If anyone have a double lynch abillity, activate it. If we get a double lynch I think we should kill greymist and sheth. This is also placeholder untill I've read filters, altough I'm not very sure it will change both of these I'm pretty sure on.
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Sorry, I was originally writing "the one giygas choose" then I read that he had named you so I just replaced it with your name name.
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I just voted and I am in the middle of writing a post but It will be delayed about 1-2 hours.
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Greymist
Beeing in favor of electing the professor+ Show Spoiler +On December 12 2011 17:05 GreYMisT wrote:Show nested quote +On December 12 2011 16:53 prplhz wrote:
@DEUS-ex-MAFIA Oh, I thought you said "GO to reread what they've done so far ;-)" like you'd found something and wanted people to seek it out too.
Anyway, I agree that elections should really be locked down as fast as possible, and on Radfield/Arctocod/ProfessorBadass. I don't particularly care too much who we elect among those though I'll strongly recommend Arctocod because that hydra is the best townie in the game, but I'll vote for any of these if it will keep anybody else out of office.
@GreYMisT I personally don't see anything wrong with Radfield endorsing Arctocod in his very own campaign post. Radfield knows that it will be a lot easier for town to win if both of them are elected and both of them are town so this make perfect sense to me, if Arctocod turns out not to be town then no real harm done. What I think is a bit weird is that nobody is endorsing ProfessorBadass since Curu is also pretty good at this game from what I've gathered. Wouldn't you agree with all this GreYMisT? I agree with you that arctocod will most likely be my vote for mayor. Im leaning on electing prof. badass over rad atm, but ultimatly i am ok with either being elected into the pardoner position. the point i mentioned about radfield was just something that stood out to me initially, and sets me off on voting him for mayor. anyway, bedtime, final in a few hours. yay. On December 12 2011 17:05 GreYMisT wrote:Show nested quote +On December 12 2011 16:53 prplhz wrote:
@DEUS-ex-MAFIA Oh, I thought you said "GO to reread what they've done so far ;-)" like you'd found something and wanted people to seek it out too.
Anyway, I agree that elections should really be locked down as fast as possible, and on Radfield/Arctocod/ProfessorBadass. I don't particularly care too much who we elect among those though I'll strongly recommend Arctocod because that hydra is the best townie in the game, but I'll vote for any of these if it will keep anybody else out of office.
@GreYMisT I personally don't see anything wrong with Radfield endorsing Arctocod in his very own campaign post. Radfield knows that it will be a lot easier for town to win if both of them are elected and both of them are town so this make perfect sense to me, if Arctocod turns out not to be town then no real harm done. What I think is a bit weird is that nobody is endorsing ProfessorBadass since Curu is also pretty good at this game from what I've gathered. Wouldn't you agree with all this GreYMisT? I agree with you that arctocod will most likely be my vote for mayor. Im leaning on electing prof. badass over rad atm, but ultimatly i am ok with either being elected into the pardoner position. the point i mentioned about radfield was just something that stood out to me initially, and sets me off on voting him for mayor. anyway, bedtime, final in a few hours. yay.
He tries to make a case on Jitsu but for some reason he doesn't ask professor whom he belives is town and should be a good scumhunter for thoughts, he only asks random townies. (That is weird) No, really. Townies ask who they belive are their strongest townreads for thoughts, scum asks random townies to gain towncred with the illusion that they are discussing.
He votes for MrZentor who I am sure is town because of his abillity.
On December 14 2011 11:46 GreYMisT wrote:Sheth, compare this from newbie mini mafia: (also day 1/2 if i recall) + Show Spoiler +On November 02 2011 09:04 risk.nuke wrote:
I'm 100% sure Toad is scum.
So to defend myself from your lines of nonsense, the wall of text where it's hard to even know who said what.
You don't like the way I post? Starting the game of with some humor, so people wont get bored and hence less active. How is that anti-town play.
The second one is just a small pressure post aswell as the followup. Nothing more. The fact that you question everything I do while other people are doing the same thing just sugest you have targeted me instead of targeting scummy behavior and that is not town play. Narrowing one person down and claiming everything he does is scummy by angle it or WIFOM is not town play, especially since you're only targeting me because I am the one trying to expose you.
Then you're questioning my activity, trying to make a case of as if it mattered why I couldn't be at a computer long enough to analyze and write. What exacly did I have thrown against me? I am looking through the thread right now and the only thing I find is things you have said which is just omgus. You're just playing on the fact that there are so many people who doesn't go back and read but just swallows what you angle to be true.
Townie priority list.
1. Establish your innocence.
2. Support the right townies.
3. Vote properly.
4. Shut down any attempts to lynch other obvious townies.
5. Shut down attempts to spread doubt or chaos in the thread.
There is no reason for a townie ever to angle anything, that is not their job because it doesn't help them to find scum, only scum ever tries to angle things.
Ofcourse if I call out that nobody is supporting the one beeing lynched then I become his suporter, I waited as long as I dared to do it because I wanted to see if anyone else would and still have time to avert the lynch.
In the second last of my quotes it's really interesting to see which part Toad choose to answer. Ignoring what was clearly the point of that post. I'll come back to this in a second.
I am telling you to explain, the only evidence you have presented on Skrammen is he is scum because I am defending him. You're responses are pretty much You are scum, I have explained YOU ARE SCUM!! What I want is something concrete, like this.
Toad is scum because he is inconsistent to what he says, changes his mind, angle things and when asked for reasoning why he thinks in a certain way he is having a hard time answering something that should be as simple as saying the truth. to this. Show nested quote +On December 14 2011 10:08 risk.nuke wrote:On December 14 2011 10:07 GreYMisT wrote:On December 14 2011 10:06 risk.nuke wrote:
Since graymist is voting for him I sure as hell don't want him to be pardoner.
Vote me for pardoner if you belive I'm town. Then atleast you'll know the role is not in scum hands. can you explain this please? I think you are scum. see why we are a bit concerned?
He tries to discredit me with some weak metagame analysis.
he is comfortable with lynching nisani (ViceraEyes)
On December 16 2011 11:26 GreYMisT wrote:Alright read through Risk's filter again, I have decided to take my vote off of him as my read on him has been reduced to near null. In addition to what has been said that he "is attracting too much attention to play scum effectivly" i have found a few other things he has done that scum would not do. Show nested quote +On December 15 2011 11:47 risk.nuke wrote:On December 15 2011 11:43 evantrees wrote:may have been a similar ability, scum with a variant that needs to be used more than 2 hours beforehand, but could not have been exactly Eiii's apparently since the action on arc was submitted before the 2 hour mark. On December 15 2011 09:21 prplhz wrote:
Was Eiii's District Attorney ability the same as the ability that was used on Arctocod last night? "Welcome to Election Mafia! You are the district attorney! Once per game, you may nullify all election votes for target player. Your action must be submitted within 2 hours of the end of the day cycle. You win with town." + Show Spoiler +On December 14 2011 09:43 kitaman27 wrote:/B]
Breaking News!
Front runner candidate Arctocod has announced their withdrawal from the Day One Election! Tune in at 10 for further election coverage and to witness the daily execution LIVE!
Arctocod is no longer eligible to be elected day one. All votes against them have been nullified (zbot will not reflect the nullified votes). A little over 2 hours remain in the day. Players who do not vote for an eligible candidate will not be modkilled this cycle.
and since I considered it /typed it up earlier may as well post it, didn't want to post it alone for whatever reason. probably a bad Idea. Concerning scum going for pardoner to keep their kp at 3 as long as possible. Conclusion, it was dumb given how much is probably up in the air concerning roles and upcoming elections due to the closed setup. + Show Spoiler +
not certain by any means on ProfessorBadass one way or another, nor do we know exactly what roles are in this game but can kind of see scum going for pardoner to help keep their kp at 3 for as long as possible would it be worth sacrificing a member I'm not sure.
They would have tonight, maybe lynched townie nights in between, pardoned night and then down to 2 kp when the pardoner gets lynched.
worst case 3/3/2/2 down two scum, 3 vs 14 + medic saves. probably not worth it also
3/3/3/2/2 down two scum 3 vs 11 + medic saves.if another townie lynch.
+days for the other 3 to slip up.
3/3/3/3/2/2 3 vs 8 + medic saves. if we bloody lynch two more townies, even then seems too risky for them to try. given how much is probably up in the air concerning roles and upcoming elections due to the closed setup.
this is a closed setup, nobody said anything about 3 kp. He posts this and then is told right after that the info is in the OP. if he was scum I would find it highly unlikely that that he would not know the way that kp was calculated is publicly availible. In addition, the way he continuously kept saying that I am scum actually leads me to think he is town, now that i think about it. What would be the purpose of this as scum? to try to start an easy bandwagon against me. however it was obviously not working, as both I and others kept questioning his reasoning. To me a scum player would have stopped after he realized it wasnt working. Risk instead kept pursuing me, and continuously made his opinion known. I still dont agee with the way he has gone about scumhunting this game, but after rereading i am not as sure as i was on him being scum. Instead, I would encourage you to read nyczbrandon's filter. Notice the ways in which he says something while really saying nothing, how he hasnt contributed until he was called out for it, and even then didnt really say much or give a stance on anything. He just gave us 4 targets we were already all aware of, and brought nothing new to the table. My vote goes on nyczbrandon for now.
When he says he is changing his mind about me he first calls me null-read and then he says he thinks I am town.
This entire post is an attempt to appease me. Greymist says this, to try and win me over. Since Townie A who gets called a townie gets less suspicious of Person B who said he says he thinks Townie A is town. The part involving me is just some weird singled out points to disguise the real purpose of the post. The point of this post was to discreetly call me town so I would stop tunneling him. You might say that he would do that even if he was town because nobody wants to be tunneled but no, this only makes sense if he KNOWS I am town. Because if I were scum when this post got put put under the magnifying glass those weak points could get him lynched ergo you don't do this unless you KNOW.
He is reluctant to lynch the professor
Here we're at it again, he keeps beliving the professor is town but his posts doesn't show any real strenght behind his belifes, they are just there when it's voting time.
Conclusion: Mafia
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On December 20 2011 07:18 DEUS-ex-MAFIA wrote:Show nested quote +On December 19 2011 22:57 Radfield wrote:
yeah, I'm pretty sure dues-ex is town. So I'd say him as Police Chief and risk.nuke as Prankster. I am not sure about risk though... I just filtered him and I saw that he asked the medics to protect Dropbear (=bum=GF) because he's a good player night1. Later on he admits, that he never played with DB before... (or at least saw him in action) I'd prefer zeks tbh.
I've played with dropbear, I did have the assumption that he was good at mafia, actually I still think he is. It was just some other people beeing pissy and butthurt and said he wasn't. I thought he had a blue powerrole and that's why he was sitting quiet.
Now please, start looking at professor badass filter. If what you read there doesn't convince you I am town I don't know what will.
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"Arcto I understand your suspicions of curu, but do you really feel confident in lynching him based on the little you provided? Why him and not some of the other candidates we have presented?" - greymist
"How can you expect us to agree to lynch curu when you openly admit to being lazy and not putting effort info other cases, and then saying you will only "Probally" give your reasoning. Just because you are very likely town does not excuse you."
- greymist
"I am holding off on voting prof. badass until arctocod can give their reasoning. Weren't you the one a few pages back who said we need to not follow you guys blindly?" - greymist
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Who stopped MrZentor and Nisani bandwagons. Who saw through the scum plans and called out Curu when palmar withdrew. I've read this game better then anyone else, I should be Prankster. Period.
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