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##Vote: Palmar Wishy-washy setup speculation and no opinions. Scum. | ||
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Palmar - I liked Red's case on Palmar, and his attempt to discredit it by discrediting me is telling. Like, yeah...he thinks I'm bad...but my skill-level has nothing to do with Red's points or Palmar's posts. It's a ridiculous non-defense, and it's scummy as hell. SCUM. Drazerk - His criticism of Radfield of his RNG vote caught my eye. Like, what's the point there? Does he think he's scum trying to appear to contribute? Does he think he knows how to play better than Rad? We don't know because he doesn't say. It looks to me like he's soft-defending prplhz...especially when he says things like "...you're not going to stick with Prplhz throughout the entire day and if you do you're tunneling him which has drawbacks"....it stinks of pre-knowledge. Not to mention the fact that he's posted several times and hasn't voted OR given his opinions on any players. SCUM. We still have a lot of lurkers, I'd like to see content from everyone fastly. | ||
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On December 05 2011 04:41 redFF wrote: lynch someone who looks scummy? QFT | ||
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BC's Arkham Asylum These are the last two scum games I was in. I was scum in iGrok's Paranoid Mafia I think, but I flaked out of that one and proceeded to get banned for inactivity. | ||
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His contributions should be held to a pretty high standard imho. Just sayin. It just feels like trying to skate by. | ||
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Now he's lying to town. Also a seer told me that I would be the first to find scum...and I don't pay 12.99/mo for faulty clairvoyants. | ||
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On December 06 2011 02:50 Drazerk wrote: Also don't think I have forgotten you VE. Ill hunt you down later. I'm not skeert. I gots nothin to hide. Sorry I haven't been as active as you like, but if you think I'm scum you've got another thing comin bro. | ||
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Palmar - My initial vote was an attempt to get Palmar to actually play the game with us. He's still yet to share any of his reads, has instead rolefished (yeah I said it) and trolled town for no gain. Now he's convinced our day-vig (presuming OUR day-vig...) to throw away his day-shot on someone who doesn't even look scummy. Worst part? He's absolutely unrepentant in his actions. Palmar is almost confirmed scum at this point, and if we don't lynch him today I'm gonna be pretty shitty. SCUM. redFF - This guy built the case my Palmar suspicion was based on...then after a few lolposts from Palmar, red unvotes him? WHAT THE EFFING EFF?!! The guy looks even MORE suspicious now and he UNvotes him? I'm watching red VERY closely from this point on. Jackal58 - This guy is typically MUCH more actively and aggressively hunting scum. Now he lurx. Deez be mah reedz. I want to lynch Palmar. | ||
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My 2 cents. | ||
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When you're done flopping around, maybe you can help find scum. You're calling v7 dumb when you're the idiot who as much as directed his shot. You're calling us bad when we're voting for the scummiest player in the thread. If you are going to profess to be good stop being fucking bad. | ||
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On December 06 2011 06:25 sandroba wrote: Honestly I'd rather we no lynch today. I don't think killing Palmar is the solution, especially since no one is really defending him and he doesn't seem to give a shit. I can't really find someone that I feel has a better than random chance of flipping scum. I'm open to sugestions though. lol | ||
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This is horseshit, if I die overnight, take a deep dark look at Palmar. | ||
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On December 06 2011 18:39 Palmar wrote: No mafia with half a brain is going to kill you VE. You can't see it, but I'm rolling my eyes at you bro. Just take my word for it. I'm willing to admit your posting has taken a more townie turn, but the circumstances around the Heir lynch don't look good for you in my opinion. I'm working on a case, so feel free to do a couple of situps in preparation for the hearty guffaw you're sure to enjoy at my expense. When day breaks (if we both still live), I'm comin for you. | ||
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Literally all I've seen from Palmar is defending himself. I'm building a case, but don't dismiss what I'm saying just because I'm being consistent. I admit my tunnel of him yesterday was bad, but I'm as aware of his ability as anyone else is and to be honest, I understand what people have been saying about keeping him alive to prove himself. But all I see is him attempting to justify his retarded lie (assuming it's a lie) yesterday and taken with his general trolling behavior yesterday I'm fully of the opinion that he's scum. We'll see what happens between now and then. As far as opinions on others, I'll have to get back with you, as most of my attention has been on Palmar. I've noticed a few strange things in relation to Palmar about some people that I intend to explore once I get my Palmar flip. Here's a snapshot though. Radfield has done a fine job of keeping d1 relatively focused. It's only when he wasn't in direct contact with the thread that Palmar was able to destroy what he'd accomplished. I've got a strong town read on Radfield. redFF has been weird too. D1 started out strong, then degraded into capslock abuse and one-liners, the pit he remains in now. I'm wondering if it has to do with the way suspicions were rolling at the time - confidence levels and whatnot. Wishywashy on Palmar bad. Scum read on redFF I'm a little suspicious of Sandroba's defense of Palmar yesterday, primarily because he commented on the fact that no one was defending him - in the same post he was defending him. He was one of those of the opinion that Palmar should be 'kept alive to prove himself', but that's certainly not a scum-tell of any kind. His case on Lanaia was...not. I'm leaning scum on Sandroba. | ||
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I saw your points, and I saw Rad's response to them. While I agree that "Yeah those points are fair" isn't the most TOWNIE defense, it doesn't change that he's been actively dragging information out of people and garnering responses...which IS townie, and I can't see scum being so adamant about focusing town. You commented on the atmosphere this game in the very post you addressed me. Are you telling me that you don't feel like Rad is at least partially responsible? Do you see a scum motivation for his endeavors? | ||
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Posting in-thread isn't a tool that you can use. Posting in thread is THE tool that you ALWAYS use. The more a person says, the more they're likely to slip up if they're scum. And the more you talk to the rest of town, the better feel you get for who you can trust. Posting in this thread IS THE GAME in a non-PM game, unless you're scum I guess. Less discussion = less information gained by all parties. While it's true that you're preventing scum from getting any information, you're preventing other townies from getting it too...and they're the ones that matter. Scum already has the information. | ||
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The fact of the matter is that information is the only advantage Mafia have over town. Squelching town is beneficial to Mafia, 100% of the time because it's securing their one advantage. If you disagree with that, you're delusional. If, like v7, you want Mafia to RETAIN their informational advantage, by all means...say nothing until daybreak. If you want to win, like me, then you'd better get in here and prove it. That's all I'm going to say on the matter. prplhz, I'd like to turn your question around on you. What do YOU think of my suspicions of red and Sandroba? | ||
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v7, what is the basis of your suspicion of Palmar? | ||
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On December 06 2011 10:24 redFF wrote: voting hier, although the case against him is weird. someone compared hiers case against syllo this game to his case against palmar last game. The problem is that the palmar case was on day 2, so of course it would have a lot more content then the early day 1 syllo case. w/e its better than nolynch and i guess he could be scum. Oh nevermind, found it. I guess you're counting this as 'letting town know your intentions' and do NOT think it's a ninja-vote. I bolded it because I missed it and I wanted to make sure town didn't...but the post as I found it, those two words were NOT bold and were basically hidden among the shenannies of yesterday. | ||
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On December 07 2011 08:39 vaderseven wrote: Pretty much what I have said over and over throughout the day yesterday. His play was based on RNG, Lieing, and trolling and none of those things are good for the town. They create situations that are good for the scum. I just wanted you to say it again. So how has his play appeared SINCE his trolling phase (which is very clearly over, made evident by his posting)? | ||
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On December 06 2011 06:39 redFF wrote: GODDAMN THIS PALMAR WAGON IS BAD Look at it! Man, that's emphatic. Note the use of all-caps and lack of punctuation. What changed between this post and now? Has he looked more scummy to you? If so, how? If not, then why would you have 'preferred' a Palmar lynch to a Hier lynch? | ||
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On December 07 2011 09:14 redFF wrote: i dunno i guess my reads changed *snapsnapsnap* Deep bro. Deep. I can absolutely see why Palmar included you on his "list of important townies to listen to because they're experienced enough not to lynch me for scummy behavior." ... ... ... Or, you could answer my question. WHY did your reads change red? WHAT did Palmar do that made him scummy enough to be the lynch of the day, when before he was so emphatically NOT scummy enough to be the lynch of the day? WHEN did your read on Palmar change? | ||
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On December 07 2011 09:25 Refallen wrote: And VE weren't you the one who was adamant about getting on a Palmar wagon? Why the sudden attack on redFF for doing the same? He didn't do the same. I followed HIM onto the Palmar wagon. The circumstances surrounding what wagon he DID end up on are what I'm attacking here. He ended up on Hier yesterday Refallen, did YOU know that? Like, without looking at the Vote-count thread, would YOU have remembered that Red was on the Hier wagon? I didn't, I had to go look to SEE what wagon he was on. That's what I'm attacking here, not his 'preference to lynch Palmar'. He didn't want to lynch Palmar that's what I'm getting at here. He says he did, but I suspect that he didn't. Because they're buddies. | ||
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On December 07 2011 10:38 redFF wrote: i dunno why i thought it was bad at that point, probably because of all the random people putting their votes on him with shitty/no reasoning. I was more commenting on how bad the wagon was than whether palmar was town or not. All right! Jeez, if I'm gonna have to drag every little thing out of you, just let me know. So is it fair to assume that at the time, your suspicion of Palmar was still 'there'..as in, you were still AS suspicious of him as you were when you placed your vote on him? | ||
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On December 07 2011 12:00 TruthBringer wrote: Toades you really shouldn't force draz's hand. If mafia knows he is protecting v7, then they won't target v7. Let's keep some ambiguity about it. If we tell draz we'll kill him unless he protects v7, he doesn't have the ability to actually heal someone else, while the mafia think he's healing v7. THANK you! A little WIFOM goes a long way, but literally demanding protection for someone? This goes for you too Rad. If Draz' claim can be believed, I agree that v7 is a good target, but I think any of the others you named would be good targets too. Just sayin. A stopped kill is a stopped kill. PRs are helpful, but warm bodies will help us win the game in the end FAR more than 1 PR ever could. My two cents. | ||
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Palmar List reveals what most of the vets are probably thinking but not posting…that due to balance, at least 2 of the mafias are going to be experienced players. What I dislike about this list the most is that in spite of posting such a list, he claims that he will not agree with lynching into it. Like, I don't disagree with the sentiment, but if that's the case, then why post the list in the first place? All it serves to do is make people suspicious of the people that, by his estimation, people should be listening to moving forward. A townie-feeling post by Palmar which gave me a town-read on him until I read on. It's the kind of posting I'd expect to, well, expect from townPalmar. Only thing I didn't like was the hint of AtE (Appeal to Emotion) in saying Syllo would normally call him 'annoying'. Defense of his playstyle when questioned. Please note that by his estimation, we should all "Establish our innocence" before "scumhunt". Discrediting red's case against him without really defending himself. Just calls it bad, and attempts to discredit me by saying that it's bad because I agree with it. I'm not the best player in the world, but I'm certainly not the worst. Ask Palmar WHY I tunnel him every time I'm town. His actual defense of red's case. Here are his points. 1) Setup/Balance speculation is not scummy. 2) I wasn't rolefishing 3) Meta: See Me and Syllo play together. To which I respond: 1) It is when it's all you're doing. Commenting on what's happening in the game and giving your reads is actually contributing. Setup speculation and suggesting no lynch when there's literally NO reason to assume something like that is even going to be possible is fucking scummy. 2) It felt like rolefishing to me too bro - just saying it's not and calling people dumb for suggesting it is fucking scummy. 3) Meta: Useless when applied to self. Useless and fucking scummy. Palmar giving excuse for knowing my alignment already. More useless discrediting of VE. Like, this is something I'll never understand. In a game where we are so uncertain of everyone's alignment, what purpose does it serve in a town-mindset to belittle our neighbors? It might get him a couple of sheep votes in the end, but what if he's successful and leads a mislynch? Then town is all up in arms and he's suspect #1 right? It doesn't make sense. As scum though, it makes perfect sense. It's a way to get townies all riled up. It's a way to bully them into doing what you want them to do. It's a way to defend yourself without using logic or reason. For Glory! begins Palmar's descent into lying, trolling and mischief. Alone, these aren't scum-tells..but taken with everything else, I feel it's pretty damning. Defense of scummy manipulation. Like, gambit? Really? You lied, threatened and ultimately caused the death of 'your homeboy' on a gambit? Because you thought v7 was lying about his notes? OKAAAAY! More fluff. More discrediting. I'd like to point out that at this point, I've decided that Palmar is going to be the lynch for today. More defense of his manipulation, but with bonus "VE is a retard". Cool story bro! And now, not just VE is retarded, but ANYONE voting on Palmar is bad/stupid/new. Sticks with his weak reason for manipulating v7. Appeals to Authority hard. "Look at all those vets NOT voting for Palmar! Hmmmmm" Here's the Real Appeal where he calls specifically on the vets to swoop in and save him. It appears to have worked with Sandroba. Possible scumbuddies? Holy Scum-Claim Batman! Not really, but really, let's think a minute. Clearly Palmar's role is legit. He claimed Floridian, an extra vote appeared on Hier just as he said it would. Here's what gets me though. If it were a town-aligned role, why would the vote show up as "Anonymous" rather than have his name on it? "HERP VE so he can use it without claiming! DERP" Riiiight...except, why would a town-aligned player need to do that? Why would a town-aligned player even use that role? It's been said already, but I'd like to reitterate that normally vote-rigging roles are scum roles. They just make more sense as scum roles. Therefor, I believe Palmar's role-claim. I think he's a scum Floridian. Here (10:13PM) we see Palmar agree to switch both of his votes to Lanaia. I mean, he said she was "a bad lynch" (7:30PM), but hey, gotta avoid that no-lynch, right? Right guys? Oh wait...in Palmar's "sign-off post", he makes it very clear that no-lynch is preferable to killing townies! Also makes it clear, again, for the third or fourth time (I lost count), that anyone voting for him is bad/stupid/new or scum. I'm not scum, and I was voting for him. Palmar confirming that he DID get syllogism's request to switch his vote back. Does so. What galls me is that he's got the nerve to call my play bad. I haven't even started playing yet bud. You're just lucky I wasn't around for the end of the day yesterday. Your ass hangs today. Scum. tl;dr Palmar | ||
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On December 07 2011 18:12 Palmar wrote: Are you trying to exploit the fact that you generally tunnel me as town to hide something? You're not even trying to look genuine, or at least give anything a second thought. Do you believe annul's claim of being shot? Do you agree with me that it's very likely syllogism shot him? Do you agree that it's very unlikely a medic would choose annul as his target? Explain the bolded. I've been genuinely suspicious of you all game. I'm not trying to hide anything - it's some kind of massive coincidence that you just happen to look town in games I'm not playing and suddenly turn into Trolly McFuckstick every time I'm in a game with you...either that or you do the shit on purpose. But judging from your play this game, if you're town I'll eat my own shit. I'm not sure what I think of Annul's claim. Right now I can't be bothered because YOU are going to hang today. Call it my mission. Syllo was at least mildly suspicious of Annul, and I wouldn't be surprised if syllo shot Annul. But no, I don't think it's "very unlikely" a medic would protect annul...in fact, if I were a medic, annul would be on my tertiary protect list by virtue of being active and scumhunting, yet NOT known for strong results. | ||
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On December 07 2011 19:39 Palmar wrote: You see, every experienced player stayed the hell away from my wagon because it's pretty obvious I was goofing around early day one. Yet you tunneled in on me very, very early in the game, never giving it as much as a second thought. I am looking forward to you eating your own shit though, although I think it's quite vulgar, please don't take any pictures. Yes, I troll you. I dislike your style of scumhunting because you always look at what happens, instead of thinking about what it means. For example, syllogism who is arguably the best town player on TL, correctly deduced that while I was being dumb and useless, there was nothing in it that made me mafia. Sure, it made me useless, but useless doesn't mean mafia. You on the other hand automatically assume that since I am unhelpful, I must be mafia, which is faulty logic, and probably the reason you have such a hard time hunting scum. And that's why I troll you, and why I'm sometimes a dick to you. This is written in case you happen to be town, in hopes you actually give your stance a second thought, because you're not helping at the moment. I cannot possibly deduce your alignment, because I think you're smart enough to know that tunneling me basically frees you from further scrutiny if you are scum, because your terrible meta assumes you tunnel me, no matter of my alignment. In addition, re-read the last paragraph in your post. Notice how you're completely disregarding a very important part of the game because you're so tunneled in on me. Of the four big names this game (rad, sand, me, syllo) Syllogism looked by far the most pro-town. I was trolling, sandroba was lurking and radfield was being not so useful. Why on earth would any medic who's not already affiliated with annul, pick annul over syllogism as n1 target? Syllo probably dies more often than Radfield and I on night 1. Goofing around you say? I call it being an arrogant prick and destroying the atmosphere of town. Potayto Potahto. The vets stayed away, not because they thought you were goofing-off, but because they've seen strong play from you and wanted to give you a chance. I am unwilling to let you go that long because I have first-hand knowledge of how experienced you are at getting people to do what you want...and I saw scum in you from the very beginning. Useless does mean mafia, what the fuck are you smoking? What kind of scum-team goes around being useful to town? A pretty fucking pointless scum-team, that's what kind. Scum try and blend in. Scum give the appearance of being useful (pointless setup speculation) while simultaneously sabotaging town's scumhunting efforts (suggesting no-lynch right out of the gates). Oh is that why? And here I thought it was just to discredit my points against you so you don't have to actually respond to any of them. Silly me. But I have to disagree with you here - I think I'm being very helpful. I think you wriggled away yesterday by the graces of the vets protecting you. And I think today they're going to see you for what you are. I'm not concerned about 'scrutiny' because I have nothing to hide. I freely admit that I'm tunneling you, but based on the points I've raised, I feel I'm absolutely justified. Obviously you disagree, either because you're town and I'm wrong or because your scum and you want to win. My money is on the latter. I'm probably not alone at this point. First of all, I hardly call you a "big name" in this game. I recognize you, sure, and you're active enough that most everyone probably does. But let's be realistic here: your play has been very very bad this game. Bad on a level the likes of me can only imagine to dream of. Why would a medic pick annul over syllo? Hmmm...because annul's name starts with 'a'? Because they RNG'd between a list they've made and annul's number came up? Not everyone plays like you Palmar, I'm sorry to be the one to break it to you, but it's true. People play this game differently than you do. There's not always ONE RIGHT CHOICE for their action, and you're assuming that there is. Well, get over yourself. You perceive yourself as some kind of paragon of logic, but you're not bro. Maybe once you realize that, you'll stop being such an unholy bastard to me in EVERY game we're in together. Or maybe I'll just keep tunneling you when I suspect you're not on my team. *shrug* Time will tell. In conclusion, I really would rather you address the points I've made against you instead of explain why you feel compelled to be a fucking asshole to me every game. I get it. You don't like the way I play. Fucking deal with it. | ||
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##Unvote: Palmar Based solely on Rad's wish for a Palmar lynch to go away. I still feel the case on him is good, and that people are ignoring parts of my case based solely on the fact that I'm not considering anyone else right now. But I'm willing to let this ride ANOTHER day. I've been going over a few people and will post thoughts when I get some time alone with the thread. This is bullshit, I don't mind saying. Palmar is fucking scum. But he's not the only scum. I will say however that because I've got a scum-read on Palmar, I will NOT be supporting an annul lynch today. Period. I'll even fight that shit, because it's scum-driven. I'm not sure of my read on Annul, but I'm bloody POSITIVE of my read on Palmar. If I don't get my lynch, Palmar damned sure isn't getting his. Again, I'll post my thoughts on other candidates a little later. I have some reading to do. | ||
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On December 08 2011 09:34 vaderseven wrote: VEyes, dont unvote him if you think he is scum. We gotta break that pattern now. I hope you're referring to the 'town' pattern and not my pattern...I think you'll find this is my first unvote of the game. I don't like it any more than you do, but if you want to help town, find his partners. He's active enough and controversial enough that there's probably enough associative shit in here to find at least one or two of them already. I'm looking elsewhere, so you can be tasked with this. Look through his interactions and find his partners v7. | ||
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On December 05 2011 08:50 Erandorr wrote: Okay I just got home and I have a question for you, Rad. What are your thoughts at this point? Is there anyone that is standing out to you? Erandorr, rather than contributing any thoughts/reads of his own, felt the need to ask Rad for his thoughts/reads. On December 05 2011 09:35 Erandorr wrote: Okay Radfield, this is starting to give me a bad feeling. I first noticed it when you stated that you feel like a good town atmosphere includes no arguments. You are doing a great job involving a lot of people in the conversation, but it is really, really easy to look town when there is actually not that much to comment on and scum are in no way forced to reveal information. What we have right now is a very peaceful town, but not one that is looking like it is gaining a lot of information anytime soon and you are doing very little to change that. Would you mind sharing your thoughts now, so they can be discussed and we get a better sense of your alignment at the same time? Erandorr, rather than contributing any thoughts/reads of his own, lightly casts suspicion on Radfield for not contributing any thoughts/reads. Not so much calling him scum, but "this is starting to give me a bad feeling" indicates that he's certainly headed down that road. On December 05 2011 10:30 Erandorr wrote: I made that first post because I noticed that, while you were engaging people in the game, you didn't really give us anything yourself. The fact that I still have not got anything out of you after an exchange of 3-4 posts sort of justifies that , don't you think? Why don't you want to share thoughts on alignment if you have noticed something? Get everybody to comment on it, see how the players react, or in other words, create some content yourself instead of complaining that no one else is doing anything. I wouldn't call the way you play ant-town, but its actually not helping that much either. And since you are on of the very good players in this game , I feel like we can hold you to a certain standart, as you pointed out correctly. Erandorr, rather than contribute any thoughts/reads of his own, defends his first couple of posts by attesting that his contribution WAS asking Rad for his contribution. Before I continue, I'm going to give the definition of contribution as I understand it to mean in the game of Mafia, and how it applies to Rad's posting style versus Eran's posting. Contribution is airing information into the thread that will not only further your reads on others, but also to allow others to further their reads on you. As members of town, we don't KNOW the alignments of anyone else, but we also understand that others don't have any reason to trust us. Now, as for how this applies to the Radfield/Erandorr back and forth. Radfield up to this point has been asking people for their reads, Erandorr is right about that. But Radfield was asking specific people about their reads of specific others, indicating that he's trying to get as much information as possible into the thread for analysis. Conversely, Erandorr has been asking specifically for Rad's reads in general, repeatedly. All this serves to do is to make Radfield seem suspicious (this is giving me a bad feeling) for wanting to get as much information as possible before making alignment-based judgements, and it prevents Erandorr from actually contributing anything of substance himself. Moving on. On December 05 2011 12:55 Erandorr wrote: That is a terrible reason to suspect Radfield. To Radfield : The reason I asked you specificly is because I noticed it and it had not been mentioned before. That in itself was my contribution at that point. That I have to comment on other players as well is a given, but that does not make my questions any less valid. I didn't only ask you, I wrote something about you specificly because that question solidified my concern, which is that you are actually more contributing than guiding, which can be a very subtle way of playing scum. I agree with that statement in general, but I am quite confused by the reason you are giving. If people look suspicious, that usually means they did something wrong/anti-town/opposed to their usual behaviot etc. That should be discussed and we can see a lot by the reactions every player has to the discussion. If mafia actually did just discuss one player then we as a good town should notice that, and through that already gain a ton of information. You make it sound like Scum can just roll in and dominate discussion. The issue I have with this post is the fact that he's criticizing Radfield for doing something he himself is doing (not contributing his reads) which is a terrible reason to suspect Radfield (because he himself is doing it, and if he's town that would render it a null-tell), yet criticizes Lanaia for suspecting Radfield for a terrible reason (apparently RNG voting for prplhz). On December 06 2011 04:45 Erandorr wrote: I am very ill, probably will write one big post but nothing more today. Promises content. On December 06 2011 07:46 Erandorr wrote: Can we just lynch Radfield? Fails to deliver. Yet here it is, a full 40 pages into the game, we get our first glimpse into Erandorr's reads. He wants to lynch Radfield. After being prodded about the 'big post' he was supposed to be writing, he concedes that he'll write it. I'm not going to post it here (as he said, it's a big motherfucker), but it boils down to 'Radfield doesn't provide actionable content, therefor Radfield must be scum' He also tries to paint the fact that he doesn't want to out his alignment-related reads scummy, but by putting words (because it's anti-town) into Rad's mouth. On December 06 2011 09:51 Erandorr wrote: Thought about other players coming soon (tm) On December 06 2011 09:54 Erandorr wrote: Yeah I know. I am looking at the candidates right now. On December 06 2011 10:01 Erandorr wrote: can you read that big wall i wrote and tell me if I am insane or actually making sense? On December 06 2011 10:07 Erandorr wrote: Yeah that was smart. Still read it tho and tell me what you think about it for the next day. On December 06 2011 10:08 Erandorr wrote: its about timing. like this no one will really consider it for today because there is just not enough time. I promised a big post though so I gotta deliver ^.^ On December 06 2011 10:18 Erandorr wrote: Yeah, Heir is fine with me, Palmar isn't ##Vote: Heir (Baaah) There's a theme in the quotes I just posted. See if you can guess what it is. I'll tell you what I think it is in the spoiler. + Show Spoiler + There is a distinct lack of content in them. I've read enough. ##Vote: Erandorr | ||
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On December 09 2011 07:45 Mattchew wrote: I hate to say this. I was wrong. Erandorr (now Buma) was never scum. Poor analysis was made based on a poor sampling play and with him being replaced this just reads more and more town. I disagree. Erandorr was playing the game just fine. He was calling for a lynch of a Vet d1, okay? He built a monster case on Radfield d1. He didn't provide ANY content though. If he were unable to post, yeah, sure, okay...not enough information, poor sampling of posts, yadda yadda...but he was playing, man! I have no doubt that he was playing sick, but that does NOT make him town, I'm sorry. It just doesn't. | ||
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On December 09 2011 08:59 Lanaia wrote: Okay, I'm back until 6pm PST (approx). Right now, I feel guilted into unvoting Eran. I'm wondering if I should because a replacement was made and I don't like voting replacements right away. Ethically, is it bad for me to keep my vote where it is? I don't want to vote annul because I think he's town and I don't think I want to vote Palmar. Can you pass me some of that waffle-sauce? | ||
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On December 09 2011 11:35 Radfield wrote: redFF doesn't look great, but I haven't touched his filter since Day 1, so I don't know. Honestly, if annul flips red you don't look so hot either VE. Apologies for the spam, I meant to consolidate with my previous post. For not voting with scum? OKAAAAAY! How in the bloody hell does me not voting with my top scum suspects make me 'not look so hot'? | ||
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On December 09 2011 11:50 Risen wrote: Wait what? OMGUS is such scum behavior. Forcing people to act in an irrational manner is STUPID. We should have been able to be patient and Palmar has now forced two jack's out of hiding. How the hell is that pro-town? + Show Spoiler + It's not... In all fairness, Palmar didn't "force" Annul...that was everyone's doing. Palmar just pushed the wagon. | ||
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Doesn't have anything to do with the fact that you insult everyone either, noooooo.[/sarcasm] People I'm Looking At Before Day Breaks Annul - The more I think about it, the more I dislike that he didn't just shoot Palmar in his facial region. Like, I didn't particularly dislike the fact that he gave his shot away - but it's certainly suspicious that he didn't just shoot his biggest scum-read instead. redFF - He seemed to have help from on high last night when the votes started moving around. He's been sheeping me all game (yes I'm aware my original suspicion on Palmar was based on HIS case, but after I built on it and made it into something, he basically just said the same things I said in a different way. I'm not liking his one-liners, and he looks to be skating by on them. Refallen/kingjames - I feel like one or the other of these two are scum. Gonna look harder and decide which, if any. | ||
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On December 10 2011 05:43 sandroba wrote: This is a game of mafia. You don't explore ridiculous options. You just roll with what is the most plausible one and that normally is the right one. If you consider all possibilities as equally possible you will never lynch anyone nor come to any conclusions. If you fail you stop and rethink your position, not before. This is fucking BULLSHIT Sandroba! It didn't respond to my post at all! You're basing your whole problem with Annul on a "ridiculous option". I gave you what I consider to be the most plausible scenario, why the fuck don't you comment on that rather than take the Palmar route of 'Discredit by Dismissal'? I know you're better than that fool, don't act like him. | ||
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And with that, I'm fucking done with Sandroba. He's clearly just sheeping whatever the fuck Palmafia is saying, so there's obviously no talking to him. Add Sandroba to my list of people I'm looking into before daybreak. | ||
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I can't make up my mind where redFF is concerned. He's not playing overtly scummy, but his contributions have been pretty lax imo (although being the pot, I really don't have much room to talk.) Based solely on his tone and what little contribution I've seen, I think he's also probably town. I looked over Corrupt too because of Zeph's case. While I disagree that he hasn't had anything to add (some of his contributions were at least semi-relevant), I agree with him completely about xsksc's first action in the game. There should have been more to consider before jumping on the easiest bandwagon - we're well beyond just lynching for information...there's information in the thread already. I think he was probably compelled to blend in, just jumping on the easy lynch. ##Vote: xsksc | ||
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On December 14 2011 04:00 vaderseven wrote: Annul, you are a LIAR. Option 1 on Refallen? You choose to be a vet and target someone? LYNCH. ##vote annul GOD i hate being played. Toad claimed to target Refallen...I don't see annul claiming a target, can you point me to that post? If "option 1" is vet, he doesn't appear to have lied about anything. | ||
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I've looked into Drazerk and I still like him as a scum-pick, but I'm also looking into Sandroba, hyshes and Annul as alternatives as we speak. Before rereading, I want to state for the record that I have to exert special effort to look at Annul and Sandroba objectively, because I have a town and scum read on them already respectively. Just FYI. | ||
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##Unvote: Drazerk ##Vote: vaderseven You're right. I haven't voted annul yet. And I'm still not. I've had a town read on annul all fucking game, and after this revelation, I'm fucking glad. I went back and looked over v7's posts. He's been very VERY careful indeed about going with the flow of town. He's been down with every 'town-decided' lynch that's gone down. Annul's right, the BP vs Vet thing is huge. It's what's going to land us our first scum lynch today. Scum wouldn't need the extra protection the BP part role provides, so it only makes sense that scum would get Vet instead of BP. vaderseven is flailing scum guys. His reaction to annul's pressure has me completely convinced. | ||
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Risen, you can bite it. This is valid. This is relevant. And this is going to be the lynch today. Either Annul or vaderseven. Annul's case is solid - vader DID lose it when annul switched over to vaderseven, and given the nature of the roles and how similar they are, the fact that one is BP and one is Vet is important. Vader's case is based on semantics and minutia. Fuck, if Palmar were here for this, even he would side with Annul on this. I urge everyone in town to reconsider, the turning-point in the game just occurred. Be a part of history and take the first step toward the greatest town comeback ever! Vote vaderseven! | ||
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On December 15 2011 08:56 annul wrote: vaderseven, hyshes, sandroba, drazerk, mattchew, toad any of these = good to kill. not me. Wait, why Toad? I don't seem to recall you saying you're suspicious of Toad at all until now, am I missing something? | ||
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I'm not moving my vote. vaderseven is the very best bet we have for scum right now, and the only way I'll move off him is if by some miracle we can come up with a Sandroba lynch. | ||
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This version is better. Annul is clearly....clearly a Jack. If you believe he's a Jack, and you believe that vaderseven is a Jack, then you HAVE to believe that Annul is the town-jack based on what he's pointed out. But clearly you are only interested in letting others think for you. But keep going with the sticking-your-fingers-in-your-ears logic, it might win you a game sometime. *shrug* In the meantime, I'm going to spend all night trying to figure out IF we can win - at this point, even if annul flips scum, the odds are tipped against us. | ||
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On December 15 2011 10:56 sandroba wrote: LOL GG /dance WTF is this shit? | ||
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##Vote: Sandroba I'll take a claimed-scum any day of the week. | ||
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On December 15 2011 13:21 bumatlarge wrote: Well, this may come as a surprise, but some of us townies haven't role claimed yet  :OOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOO | ||
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On December 15 2011 23:31 xsksc wrote: Toad is mafia medic, so don't lynch him lmao | ||
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That's what you get for goin to sleep. | ||
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If you kill me last, I'll tell you who our remaining member is!!!! | ||
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Think on what I've said...if you lynch me AFTER Toad, I'll share the final name with you - the name you most desire. | ||
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OMGUS!!! | ||
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It doesn't matter though because the way we did it ended up paying off. We could have done it differently, maybe slightly more efficiently..but when Bum took the bait, our course was set. | ||
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I enjoyed the game for my first back in a while, thx Incog and WBG for hosting. I thought the setup provided a lot of possibility and would definitely play it again. Was there a reason for having a parity cop vs having just a normal cop? Because given the 2 jacks in the setup, there was a lot of potential for confusion and I think a normal cop would have been just fine as far as balance goes if that's the reason. | ||
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