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syllogism
Profile Joined September 2010
Finland5948 Posts
December 06 2011 11:55 GMT
#1045
Yes, that was inappropriate but his farewell post was quite ridiculous
syllogism
Profile Joined September 2010
Finland5948 Posts
December 06 2011 12:25 GMT
#1049
On December 06 2011 20:55 kingjames01 wrote:
Show nested quote +
On December 06 2011 19:48 Incognito wrote:
On December 06 2011 18:43 syllogism wrote:
On December 06 2011 14:45 Hier wrote:
It seems I have underestimated the amount of terrible town players in this game.

I don't lurk, ever. Nor do I plan to. Not as town, not as scum. If I don't post, it's because I can't.

Also, what kind of a pathetic death was that? I'll remember that, WBG.

gg

If one post in 48 hours is all you can muster, which by the way does not even meet the activity requirements, don't join games or at least inform us of your inactivity beforehand. Do not reply to this since you are dead.

Do not talk to or pick on dead people. Its not fair to attack them if they cannot respond. If you want to have a discussion, please save it for after the game.

The bandwagon on Hier was formed out of convenience with manipulation from mafia. Don't pretend that there was an actual good reason to carry it out.

Can you expand on this? I know you haven't been around lately, but if you have been reading the thread, you must know that a lot of people consider Palmar a good player and he was quite active. I notice you were not voting for Palmar and thus believe that he likely isn't mafia. Who would mafia rather want dead, hier or palmar? After answering that, reconcile it with your assertion that the wagon formed "out of convenience and manipulation from mafia". Can you point to anything specific in Hier's play that made you so sure that he would flip town?

If you struggle answering these questions, what do you think your alignment is more likely to be, objectively speaking?
syllogism
Profile Joined September 2010
Finland5948 Posts
December 06 2011 14:08 GMT
#1059
Sandroba any thoughts on Annul's and kingjames01's play so far?
syllogism
Profile Joined September 2010
Finland5948 Posts
December 06 2011 15:29 GMT
#1075
On December 07 2011 00:20 Palmar wrote:
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On December 06 2011 23:27 Toadesstern wrote:
On December 06 2011 23:19 Palmar wrote:
Why didn't you tell us before you shot Soap? There is literally no harm for town to simply chill for an hour and ask the people who are very likely to be town if Soap is a good shot.

well it's a tricky situation I guess.
Just think about it, the guy just claimed dayvig (which is the only mistake he did imo) so he had to shoot at some point, Sadly that point was day1. I wouldn't trust 3 guys who threaten to kill me, so he obviously was not going to listen to a thing you guys said.
Probably the rest would have told him to not shoot so early. So he had to make that decision on his own.


Why didn't he ask the rest then?

I wanted him to shoot Drazerk, who I think is mafia.

So do you think he has a scum role that is compelled to claim what he did? If not, how do you propose he explains his protections daily and the fact he is still alive?
syllogism
Profile Joined September 2010
Finland5948 Posts
December 06 2011 16:05 GMT
#1083
On December 07 2011 00:59 Palmar wrote:
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On December 07 2011 00:29 syllogism wrote:
On December 07 2011 00:20 Palmar wrote:
On December 06 2011 23:27 Toadesstern wrote:
On December 06 2011 23:19 Palmar wrote:
Why didn't you tell us before you shot Soap? There is literally no harm for town to simply chill for an hour and ask the people who are very likely to be town if Soap is a good shot.

well it's a tricky situation I guess.
Just think about it, the guy just claimed dayvig (which is the only mistake he did imo) so he had to shoot at some point, Sadly that point was day1. I wouldn't trust 3 guys who threaten to kill me, so he obviously was not going to listen to a thing you guys said.
Probably the rest would have told him to not shoot so early. So he had to make that decision on his own.


Why didn't he ask the rest then?

I wanted him to shoot Drazerk, who I think is mafia.

So do you think he has a scum role that is compelled to claim what he did? If not, how do you propose he explains his protections daily and the fact he is still alive?


I'll answer your question with two questions.

a) Would you shoot him if you were mafia?

b) How do you expect us to catch him lying about his protections? If he's scum, he already has all the information needed to misprotect every night, mafia can even leave someone who should be a "good" target alive and Drazerk can claim that protection. Even if Drazerk tells us who he's protecting right before day breaks it changes very little. The only roles that can in any way allow us to deduce anything about Drazerk's alignment are tracker and watcher. Not to mention I find the role very unconventional compared to other roles revealed this game (Town Jack, Town Floridian and two Vanilla Town)

I would have to shoot him yes if he is truthful about his claim. What is the motivation for claiming? All he is doing is limiting their night kills because they always have to keep one reasonable night kill target alive and there is the risk that town outright forces him to protect certain players.
syllogism
Profile Joined September 2010
Finland5948 Posts
December 06 2011 16:09 GMT
#1085
I don't think I can find any TL games as it has mostly been used in PYP setups
syllogism
Profile Joined September 2010
Finland5948 Posts
December 06 2011 16:13 GMT
#1088
Well actually Decon the townie was JimboSilvers in Personality mafia, which is an even scummier variant of the role
syllogism
Profile Joined September 2010
Finland5948 Posts
December 06 2011 16:30 GMT
#1091
On December 07 2011 01:27 redFF wrote:
yes

syllo: that's not a normal game

Is this a normal game and how is that relevant? There's also Insane mafia where Floridian aka Town Elder was a town role
syllogism
Profile Joined September 2010
Finland5948 Posts
December 06 2011 16:35 GMT
#1094
There is a fine line between normal and themed games. Double voter is a standard role and from what I have seen more often town than not. The fact the vote is anonymous is just makes it a variation of it. Do you think the fact whether Flordidian is a town role or not has any relevance as to whether the came is considered themed or not? The answer is no.

I assume you don't believe drazerk's claim at all then either, because that most certainly is not a normal role.
syllogism
Profile Joined September 2010
Finland5948 Posts
December 06 2011 16:36 GMT
#1095
EBWOP: the game, not the came
syllogism
Profile Joined September 2010
Finland5948 Posts
December 06 2011 20:18 GMT
#1106
So annul were you around until 10pm yesterday?
syllogism
Profile Joined September 2010
Finland5948 Posts
December 06 2011 20:20 GMT
#1108
Didn't find it important to weigh in on what was going on then? Who do you think is mafia? Still Palmar?
syllogism
Profile Joined September 2010
Finland5948 Posts
December 06 2011 20:25 GMT
#1110
But you just said you had followed the thread until 10pm? It doesn't appear to take very long to make a typical annul post, so excuse if I'm skeptical of the assertion that you didn't have time
syllogism
Profile Joined September 2010
Finland5948 Posts
December 06 2011 20:43 GMT
#1113
It was not an insult, but a statement of a fact. I am not verbose either. I am simply implying that you did have time, but not the will.
syllogism
Profile Joined September 2010
Finland5948 Posts
December 18 2011 21:06 GMT
#3328
Embarrassing play by both sides
syllogism
Profile Joined September 2010
Finland5948 Posts
Last Edited: 2011-12-18 21:16:01
December 18 2011 21:15 GMT
#3336
Your strategy was awful and had no chance of working if it weren't for the fact you basically had ~5 townies working for your team. The setup may have been slightly town favored, but it was very much winnable without giving away your whole team on day 2
syllogism
Profile Joined September 2010
Finland5948 Posts
December 18 2011 21:20 GMT
#3341
On December 19 2011 06:18 xsksc wrote:
Sorry town, I didn't put enough effort into proving that Annul and Toad were scum. I thought it was obvious but I guess I should have worked harder.

There was nothing left to prove. Annul was repeatedly shown to be mafia, but this group of townies just refused to listen. If they can't recognize mafia in a situation like that, I don't think they ever will
syllogism
Profile Joined September 2010
Finland5948 Posts
December 18 2011 22:22 GMT
#3363
I don't think the claim was that anti-town as the scum motivation for it was very weak. Of course, if you correctly assume that many townies will not realize that, then it was anti-town. Ineffective? Yes.
syllogism
Profile Joined September 2010
Finland5948 Posts
December 18 2011 22:27 GMT
#3366
On December 19 2011 07:25 wherebugsgo wrote:
Show nested quote +
On December 19 2011 07:22 syllogism wrote:
I don't think the claim was that anti-town as the scum motivation for it was very weak. Of course, if you correctly assume that many townies will not realize that, then it was anti-town. Ineffective? Yes.


I disagree, but I'll touch on this in my analysis.

It was actually very anti-town because he drew a medic protect n1 that should have been going to you, Palmar, or Radfield.


Well yes that was bad, forgot about that. The medic shouldn't have protected him, but can't really fault him for that.
syllogism
Profile Joined September 2010
Finland5948 Posts
Last Edited: 2011-12-19 10:33:48
December 19 2011 10:32 GMT
#3453
This was the highlight of the game for me


On December 08 2011 01:04 prplhz wrote:
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On December 08 2011 00:54 sandroba wrote:
Pretty damn obvious that syllo shot annul and no retard in his right mind would protect him night1. VOTE ANNUL RIGHT NOW IF YOU VOTE ANYONE ELSE YOU MAFIA.


Holy fuck.

##Vote annul

Sandroba does his compulsory bussing post with as little effort as possible and immediately convinces a townie

e: well actually there was a funnier post but I don't want to be mean
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