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On December 06 2011 05:05 Lanaia wrote:
Right now, I'm going to ##vote: Palmar because I have no idea what the fuck he thinks he's doing and that feels fairly scummy to me and he seems to have known vader's role and I also don't think Drazerk is scum so I don't understand why Palmar thinks RNG is the best idea for votes. Hell, I could randomly vote on my own accord and CLAIM that it's RNG. I'm sorry, but I won't be back until after the lynch because of school (I think. Oh wait, deadline is 8pm PST? I'll be here a couple hours before then, most likely, given nothing happens on the highway).
What is this reasoning? You're voting Palmar because you don't think he knows what he's doing? Really?
I thought you had "come to the conclusion you can't read Palmar worth a damn", yet now all of a sudden you have a strong enough read to call scum?
These next two quotes are from the same post, both regarding vader:
I'm pretty sure I agree with sandroba on both counts here, but moreso on vaderseven. He has been giving me scumvibes this game.
You shouldn't've shot anyone. I don't think you're scum anymore, but I think you made a terrible decision. However, what I really don't like is how Palmar seems to have known your role before you claimed.
At what point in the post did your opinions change? This is a blatant flip-flop, and at this point it seems like Lanaia is just writing things to fluff out her posts:
Lanaia's filter from this game: XVLIII
and now compare it to her filter from XVLII: XLVII
Keep in mind that Lanaia is scum in XLVII. Very similar reads in my eyes.
My only problem right now is that she was agreeing with sandroba, and I am getting some scummy vibes from him too. Palmar what do you think of Sandro right now. Sandro, if this was plurality lynch who would you be pushing as an alternative to Palmar.
##Vote Lanaia
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On December 06 2011 06:53 TruthBringer wrote:
If Palmar really is town, then he seems to have forgotten that it is more important to help the town than to stay alive. The only justification for his odd actions so far that I can think of is that he is trying to stay alive. (Mafia think he'll be easy to hang or soon to hang, so they don't kill him.) But even if he is a really good player, keeping him alive is not worth all the harm he is doing to the town.
The thing is, if Palmar is town, his play is very very strong. If he's still trolling tomorrow then we take him out. Caller did the same thing in Closed Casket and tore mafia up on Day 2: troll the entirety of day 1, then kill mafia on day 2.
Either he is town and he will shape up and start making sense, or he will keep being unhelpful and we lynch him.
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Cool, I'm willing to give you time Sandro. I've been sick when I'm scum too 
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On December 06 2011 07:05 Lanaia wrote:Show nested quote +On December 06 2011 06:54 Radfield wrote:On December 06 2011 05:05 Lanaia wrote:
Right now, I'm going to ##vote: Palmar because I have no idea what the fuck he thinks he's doing and that feels fairly scummy to me and he seems to have known vader's role and I also don't think Drazerk is scum so I don't understand why Palmar thinks RNG is the best idea for votes. Hell, I could randomly vote on my own accord and CLAIM that it's RNG. I'm sorry, but I won't be back until after the lynch because of school (I think. Oh wait, deadline is 8pm PST? I'll be here a couple hours before then, most likely, given nothing happens on the highway).
What is this reasoning? You're voting Palmar because you don't think he knows what he's doing? Really? I thought you had "come to the conclusion you can't read Palmar worth a damn", yet now all of a sudden you have a strong enough read to call scum? These next two quotes are from the same post, both regarding vader: I'm pretty sure I agree with sandroba on both counts here, but moreso on vaderseven. He has been giving me scumvibes this game. You shouldn't've shot anyone. I don't think you're scum anymore, but I think you made a terrible decision. However, what I really don't like is how Palmar seems to have known your role before you claimed. At what point in the post did your opinions change? This is a blatant flip-flop, and at this point it seems like Lanaia is just writing things to fluff out her posts: Lanaia's filter from this game: XVLIIIand now compare it to her filter from XVLII: XLVIIKeep in mind that Lanaia is scum in XLVII. Very similar reads in my eyes. My only problem right now is that she was agreeing with sandroba, and I am getting some scummy vibes from him too. Palmar what do you think of Sandro right now. Sandro, if this was plurality lynch who would you be pushing as an alternative to Palmar. ##Vote Lanaia I said that post was what I was feeling AS I WENT ALONG reading the 10+ pages that happened while I was asleep. Yes, there's a contradiction, but things change over the course of the game. My opinions changed with the whole vader/Palmar thing. Technically he can still be scum, but I don't think so because he'd thought he was going to be shot and thus reacted, like ANYONE would do. I'm voting Palmar because *I* don't understand what he's doing. I said that I don't know what he thinks he's doing. When a ton of shit happens, yes, opinions CAN change. I'll be back after class. Question: on TL,when a jester/VI flips, does the game end? Is the jester a solo alignment or can it be part of mafia/town?
lol, you're saying that your opinion actually DID change mid-post. Fair enough I suppose 
Also, I'm reading your filter from PTP(townie), and it looks quite similar to this game too. Lots of "be back later"s, lots of similarities on the whole.
Maybe I'm being too hasty here ##unvote
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On December 06 2011 07:46 Erandorr wrote:
Can we just lynch Radfield?
Was that your big post you were writing up?
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##Vote: Hier
I think Hier is a better choice than Lanaia right now.
Everyone on Lanaia should swing over and consolodate on Heir.
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On December 06 2011 10:12 syllogism wrote:
Palmar I don't think we can get the votes for Hier so might as well switch to Lanaia. I hope you aren't scum, but I don't even really care if you are as I'm not ever voting to lynch you day 1 based on such a weak case.
No, I think Heir is better. Lets consolidate on him. The more I read Lanaia, the more she looks like town.
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prplhz, risen, refallen and sandro, you guys should all swing onto hier.
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Erandorr, I appreciate you building a case(Jackal too), and I think both you and Jackal have some decent criticism of my Day 1 play. I've been doing a lot of asking questions, and not a lot of follow up.
That being said, I stand by every post I have made this game. My goal has been to get things moving and I think i've actually done a decent job at that, in addition to moving the thread down productive avenues.
Some points:
* I'm not a strong Day 1 scumhunter. In fact pretty much the only time I build big day 1 cases are when I'm mafia. Other than that I built a Day 1 case on Barundar in PYPI, and was wrong.
* As town I almost always have a lot of town reads, and only a few scum reads(generally do the opposite when scum)
* When I quote things, I routinely remove parts of the quote that are not directly related to the point I'm making.Read any past case I have built
* I have only ever been right on Day 1 once (Jackal in Merc Mini 2)
The real question is: Do you agree with what I am doing right now? Consolidating a lynch on Hier, and trying to avoid a Palmar lynch?
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On December 06 2011 10:29 Risen wrote:
Why is everyone suddenly swapping over to a lynch on hier JUST to get a lynch in. What suddenly convinced you that oh hey, maybe Palmar isn't the guy to bandwagon, maybe we need to pile onto Hier, at least he's just a lurker and not defending himself. That's so stupid. When did we implement lynch all lurkers?
Lynching scummy lurkers is kinda always the back-up plan for Majority day 1 lynches. Hier's case was extremely forced, and he has contributed nothing since then. Ideally he would not be the lynch, but it's an OK lynch nonetheless. It's better than Lanaia at this point, and miles better than Palmar.
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We need three more votes.
Assuming the votes on Palmar are locked in, we need 3 of the following players to switch to Hier:
Risen
prplhz
Mattchew
Jackal58
hyshes
supersoft
and someone who hasn't voted, not sure who, but I only count 23 votes on the list(24 with anon)
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Red do you really think Palmar is scum?
What happened to this:
On December 06 2011 06:39 redFF wrote:
GODDAMN THIS PALMAR WAGON IS BAD
Also:
On December 06 2011 09:47 redFF wrote:
i think palmar is fucking us around and is detrimental to town. plus we need a lynch.
##Vote Palmar
On December 06 2011 06:41 redFF wrote:
this is day 1, we need a lynch of some sort.
At this point you surely recognize Palmar is not getting 13 votes today. Hier, with your switch, almost certainly will.
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On December 06 2011 10:43 prplhz wrote:
@Radfield Why did you change your mind on the Lanaia lynch? She didn't post a single thing and neither did Hier, but for some reason you suddenly decided that Hier was better lynch than Lanaia.
She did post in that time, and explained that she DID in fact change her mind during the writing of that post. More importantly though I read over her filter from PTP where she was vanilla town. It looks a lot like her play this game, and I think I was more hung up on her style than anything else. Most of my suspicions were based on the posting similarities to XLVII, but basically her filter from both a previous scum game and previous town game look quite similar on the surface.
To tell the truth I was surprised to see so many games from her.
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On December 06 2011 10:50 Jackal58 wrote:Show nested quote +On December 06 2011 10:25 Radfield wrote:Erandorr, I appreciate you building a case(Jackal too), and I think both you and Jackal have some decent criticism of my Day 1 play. I've been doing a lot of asking questions, and not a lot of follow up. That being said, I stand by every post I have made this game. My goal has been to get things moving and I think i've actually done a decent job at that, in addition to moving the thread down productive avenues. Some points: * I'm not a strong Day 1 scumhunter. In fact pretty much the only time I build big day 1 cases are when I'm mafia. Other than that I built a Day 1 case on Barundar in PYPI, and was wrong. * As town I almost always have a lot of town reads, and only a few scum reads(generally do the opposite when scum) * When I quote things, I routinely remove parts of the quote that are not directly related to the point I'm making.Read any past case I have built * I have only ever been right on Day 1 once (Jackal in Merc Mini 2) The real question is: Do you agree with what I am doing right now? Consolidating a lynch on Hier, and trying to avoid a Palmar lynch? I am totally torn on Palmar. The only game I really believed him to be town (Except when we were Romeo and Juliet together) he was scum. That was the game Ace ran. I don't remember the name of it. All I remember is I made an ass out of myself trusting Palmar and cost town the game. That said I have been on the receiving end of his bullying when he was town. That's the Palmar I see this game to this point. But then he posted his role. That is a scum role. Don't care what you say Syllo. So ya I don't know what to make of Palmar at this point. I think I'd rather see him alive than dead at the end of the day. My problem with agreeing with you at this point is I really do think you're scum Rad. It's not a question of whether or not you're any good at finding scum on day 1. It's the way you've acted throughout the day. God knows I suck at finding scum day 1 too. But I haven't been all over the board like you have. I'll need to think about moving my vote to Heir. I'd much rather everybody voted for you but I don't see that happening at this point.
Have I really been all over the board? I'll admit I skim-read your case against me, but I just don't see how you can think what I've been doing so far has mafia motives? Unless your simply stating that my mafia motive is to blend in, but in that case I would be posting way way less. Go look at any game I have played as scum, and count how many posts I have in day 1. I bet I have at least double the posts so far than any scum game I have ever played. Scum = lurkish, with some directing, and a few cases + lotsa scum reads. Town = open, conversational, poking and prodding, commenting, keeping town discussion flowing, leading and consolidating lynches.
The game was Some Mafia Game, and as I recall the reason you trusted Palmar was due to the fact that you checked him N1 as Parity Cop, NOT due to his play. You even posted how it was just too unlikely that your first check would hit the godfather(or framed mafia in that case).
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The RNG things was not actually random. I thought that became kinda apparent. Drazerk called me out and I explained it there, though I admit I didn't go into detail. I have actually thought about posting several times to clear it up, but each time deleted my post because I didn't want to sidetrack. The gist is, I wanted to generate some chatter, see prp's reaction specifically, and town's reaction in general. I figured that mafia would most likely not jump on me, simply because it was over the top blatant, but that it was the kind of thing townies would bite on. It was done pretty much on a whim, it pretty much accomplished what I wanted, and I wish I hadn't done it because things like that always bite me in the ass (like requesting an RPG and BP vest in my first post in Merc Mini).
I can see where you're coming from on the planting seeds. Rest assured though I will be building proper cases on people.
I will make you a deal. If I am still alive after night 2, and you still think I am scum you can push me all you want. Until then give me some room to work and see what I can do(and I will do the same for you). Deal?
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On December 06 2011 11:23 prplhz wrote:
I don't think Refallen is scum and this is a weird time to try to get people to change to him, but ultimately it appears that it is more kingjames01 trying to justify that he's not voting Hier or something. That's the conclusion anyway.
Agreed. Refallen looks more like a new player who is trying to work things out. I don't see much fear in his posts, and it looks like he is genuinely trying.
I don't really get that entire case.
On December 06 2011 11:26 prplhz wrote:
@Radfield
Stop trying to make stupid deals. Deal?
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On December 06 2011 11:29 Soap wrote:
LOL, sucks to be bastard modded out of the game but I do appreciate the irony.
Have a nice game folks.
lol.
And with that I'm off to bed!
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OK, despite what some folks are saying, I think it is very much in our best interest to discuss potential night actions. Lets start with assuming both roleclaims so far are true, and that both Draz and v7 are town.
Vaderseven is a JOAT
Drazerk is an unblockable medic
This means that scum almost assuredly have a roleblocker, which means v7 is almost assuredly going to get roleblocked tonight. Vader, I assume you can self protect and you certainly should tonight. One of two things will happen, you will get roleblocked(and not shot), or you will get shot(and not roleblocked). Either way it makes sense to use your self-protect, assuming that you don't lose it if you are roleblocked.
For this reason, it is imperative that any Watcher we have target vaderseven. The chances of him getting visited by mafia is almost 100%.
Next question: Should Drazerk be protecting v7? This one I don't know the answer to, but I think it makes sense to leave v7 to the watcher(if we have one) and instead focus on protecting townies likely to die. Also, I still see plenty of doubt regarding v7's alignment, so maybe mafia will see the optimal move as roleblock but don't kill. It leaves him alive to draw suspicion, and makes his JOAT claim seem bunk.
Chances of death tonight:
Toadesstern: Extremely high. He's very obviously green at this point, contributing, and not high profile enough to draw medic protection. I would shoot him if I was scum.
Radfield: Very high
Syllogism: Very high. Both myself and syllo are active and playing decently hard this game. Definite threat to mafia and worth a shot.
Drazerk: Pretty good assuming he is town. His play is very null for me so far, but simply by virtue of his claim he is an obvious threat to mafia. However, mafia killing him cleans up the thread a bit.
Annul: Decent. He is active and aggressive, and painting himself pretty green. That being said his style is not particularly conducive to a great town atmosphere, so killing him is not super ideal for mafia.
Palmar: Low. Despite the fact that Palmar is extremely solid as town, killing him right now brings a lot of clarity into the thread, and allows the players who think he is scummy to galvanize their attention elsewhere.
Sandroba Extremely low. Mafia killing him is a blessing for town right now, as his play is putting him as a huge question mark and day 2 lynch target.
If you are a medic, I highly suggest you consider protecting Toad, myself, syllo or drazerk(maybe annul). Drazerk, I think you should consider those players as well as v7.
The chances of a framer being in this game are extremely high in my eyes. Hence I will not be making suggestions on who to investigate.
+ Show Spoiler +Chances of a third party are also quite high given that Incog did not give us townie numbers, and only gave us mafia numbers. That means 2 KP for scum, +1 KP for a third party. Makes perfect sense to give mafia number a bit of a boost(due to the low KP), and also makes sense to give town a floridian(due to the lower than usual town voting power(18 town vs 7 non-town at outset) However this is all just irrelevant conjecture But it does seem to fit nicely.
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On December 07 2011 11:16 prplhz wrote:
@Radfield
Where would you put Jackal58 and redFF on that medic protect list? Why do you think mafia would block vaderseven, do you think he might have two shots, one for day and one for night? Doesn't that seem a little over powered?
I would imagine he has an investigation, a medic ability, a vig shot(day) and a self protect(veteran) ability. He may not have all of those, and he may have something different instead, but he certainly has more powers beyond 1 day vig.
Jack = JOAT and JOAT = Jack. No way that Incog named a day vig 'Jack' randomly.
Jackal I am torn on. His posting seems reasonable, but that is partly why I suspect him. I feel like he is normally far more aggro and pushing people on day 1. The only other game I played with him where he was scum he came across as polite and helpful Day 1. It's nothing concrete, and I'm feeling more town on him than I was earlier. However I have a difficult time judging people when they accuse me of being scum. His case on me also feels genuine.
Either way, if he was shot tonight I would not be particularly miffed.
RedFF: I'm less sure of redFF being town than I was earlier. If mafia want to take a shot at him they can be my guest. I feel like red needs to realign his scum metrics because he often jumps on people for things I perceive as null tells. He is also difficult to pick out as scum do to his spammy nature as town or scum.
Again, not too worried if he gets sniped tonight. Both of those hits are pretty non-optimal for scum in my eyes.
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On December 07 2011 11:36 vaderseven wrote:
I never claimed JOAT.
Unfortunately when you claimed your role was called 'Jack', you did in fact claim JOAT. On this forum, those two words are almost interchangable.
From PYPI, which Incog hosted:
Jack -
Of all trades, master of none. You may use up to six abilities from other roles in the game however you are restricted to the very same rules that apply to them when you use them. You may not use the same role in two consecutive day/night cycles in a row. The following roles you may use are: Vigilante, Day Vigilante, Detective, Medic, and Bulletproof. You may not use two in one cycle (ie: Detective during day, Medic during night). If you use the veteran one night and take a hit, you cannot use it again and absorb another hit. It is a one time only deal.
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