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Blazinghand
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On December 16 2011 02:44 BroodKingEXE wrote:
Hey for those of you who did not read the dead/observer post. You guys had it won by the tiebreak vote. XTF was the first person with two votes, so if he was mafia the other mafia would try to change his or her vote against someone else.
Honestly I'm not even sure we would have won for sure if bluelightz could keep suspicion off of himself-- though it would be very tough once xtf was down. Maybe if he bussed him before I cast my vote? I was just surprised velinath never got killed for being helpful, or that nobody realized I was the doctor desperately trying to keep myself alive. Every night I was like 100% sure that this night the mafia would realize I was the doctor and just kill me. Especially since they were roleblocking me.
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Blazinghand
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On December 16 2011 02:52 Forumite wrote:Show nested quote +On December 16 2011 02:41 BloodyC0bbler wrote:
The major issue for me was that I am in the US eastern time zone whereas blue and xtf were a 12 hour time difference with myself. Giving live feedback in that situation is very very difficult as it limits the ability to help a player deal with a situation as it arises. How can you direct a player on how to escape scrutiny if you are sleeping while they are active and the situation arises? I see what you mean. All roles were random, but if the scumteam is full of europeans, then an european coach is preferable.
Maybe the best thing here would be to determine the scum coach based on the coach's time zone (after the scumteam is determined randomly)?
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On December 16 2011 02:53 Blazinghand wrote:Show nested quote +On December 16 2011 02:44 BroodKingEXE wrote:
Hey for those of you who did not read the dead/observer post. You guys had it won by the tiebreak vote. XTF was the first person with two votes, so if he was mafia the other mafia would try to change his or her vote against someone else. Honestly I'm not even sure we would have won for sure if bluelightz could keep suspicion off of himself-- though it would be very tough once xtf was down. Maybe if he bussed him before I cast my vote? I was just surprised velinath never got killed for being helpful, or that nobody realized I was the doctor desperately trying to keep myself alive. Every night I was like 100% sure that this night the mafia would realize I was the doctor and just kill me. Especially since they were roleblocking me.
They had you pegged as the cop (to be fair I had you as blue and was strongly leaning cop).
As such they were attempting to get the medic or move around medic protection.
Electricblack was because he was palmar.
The others were hit for being active and a slight chance of being blue. In most cases they would not get med prot. I personally would have kept adam alive while cycling through grack and vel but thats my own personal style.
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On December 16 2011 02:53 Blazinghand wrote:Show nested quote +On December 16 2011 02:44 BroodKingEXE wrote:
Hey for those of you who did not read the dead/observer post. You guys had it won by the tiebreak vote. XTF was the first person with two votes, so if he was mafia the other mafia would try to change his or her vote against someone else. Honestly I'm not even sure we would have won for sure if bluelightz could keep suspicion off of himself-- though it would be very tough once xtf was down. Maybe if he bussed him before I cast my vote? I was just surprised velinath never got killed for being helpful, or that nobody realized I was the doctor desperately trying to keep myself alive. Every night I was like 100% sure that this night the mafia would realize I was the doctor and just kill me. Especially since they were roleblocking me.
I was targeting Bluelightz for investigation on Night 4, as I figured if he cleared Tunkeg would likely be the last scum. Since ey was already cleared for me we could have afforded a mislynch there if Bluelightz cleared that night - which I believe would leave you as the only player I didn't check (I figured you were town from Day 1, heh).
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Blazinghand
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On December 16 2011 03:18 Velinath wrote:Show nested quote +On December 16 2011 02:53 Blazinghand wrote:On December 16 2011 02:44 BroodKingEXE wrote:
Hey for those of you who did not read the dead/observer post. You guys had it won by the tiebreak vote. XTF was the first person with two votes, so if he was mafia the other mafia would try to change his or her vote against someone else. Honestly I'm not even sure we would have won for sure if bluelightz could keep suspicion off of himself-- though it would be very tough once xtf was down. Maybe if he bussed him before I cast my vote? I was just surprised velinath never got killed for being helpful, or that nobody realized I was the doctor desperately trying to keep myself alive. Every night I was like 100% sure that this night the mafia would realize I was the doctor and just kill me. Especially since they were roleblocking me. I was targeting Bluelightz for investigation on Night 4, as I figured if he cleared Tunkeg would likely be the last scum. Since ey was already cleared for me we could have afforded a mislynch there if Bluelightz cleared that night - which I believe would leave you as the only player I didn't check (I figured you were town from Day 1, heh).
Bear in mind that I plan to play in a similarly aggressive style should I be a town OR scum player in future games. I like talking. As you can see (Bbyte, BKEXE) my style is just as good at getting bandwagons rolling on town players as it is on mafia players-- although it may make sense not to draw too much attention as mafia, what's more suspicious to you-- Blazinghand being loud or Blazinghand being quiet? Several players suspiciously noted my low posting during days 3 and 4 and some observers even fingered me as scum playing a long con with some amazing "bus JB day 2" strategy, just based on my change of style (which came on due to final exams).
Also, I feel like BL would have targeted you after your aggressive very Blue play on day 4. You basically soft-claimed Cop by going after xtf in such an aggressive fashion and THEN producing evidence. The mafia noticed it right away if you check out their QT. I still think town had a big advantage, I just don't think it was unwinnable.
Bluelightz slipped pretty hard with the flagrant sheeping though-- as a general rule as Mafia, try to imagine what a Town version of you would do in that circumstance-- you wouldn't try to abdicate responsability for your actions. I immediately thought something was wrong after that post.
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So then BlueLightz didn't give up too soon 
BH was going to heal veli and Veli was going to check bluelightz.
Town was lucky I got killed because I would have made a case on BH which probably would have led to BH role claiming, me getting lynched and BH getting shot.
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I figured there was no way that Blue could be scum because mafia would help him post better than that.
Also he seems to me like the kind of scum player that would follow Xtf's case on layabout and vote him to save xtf.
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On December 16 2011 03:24 Blazinghand wrote:Show nested quote +On December 16 2011 03:18 Velinath wrote:On December 16 2011 02:53 Blazinghand wrote:On December 16 2011 02:44 BroodKingEXE wrote:
Hey for those of you who did not read the dead/observer post. You guys had it won by the tiebreak vote. XTF was the first person with two votes, so if he was mafia the other mafia would try to change his or her vote against someone else. Honestly I'm not even sure we would have won for sure if bluelightz could keep suspicion off of himself-- though it would be very tough once xtf was down. Maybe if he bussed him before I cast my vote? I was just surprised velinath never got killed for being helpful, or that nobody realized I was the doctor desperately trying to keep myself alive. Every night I was like 100% sure that this night the mafia would realize I was the doctor and just kill me. Especially since they were roleblocking me. I was targeting Bluelightz for investigation on Night 4, as I figured if he cleared Tunkeg would likely be the last scum. Since ey was already cleared for me we could have afforded a mislynch there if Bluelightz cleared that night - which I believe would leave you as the only player I didn't check (I figured you were town from Day 1, heh). Bear in mind that I plan to play in a similarly aggressive style should I be a town OR scum player in future games. I like talking. As you can see (Bbyte, BKEXE) my style is just as good at getting bandwagons rolling on town players as it is on mafia players-- although it may make sense not to draw too much attention as mafia, what's more suspicious to you-- Blazinghand being loud or Blazinghand being quiet? Several players suspiciously noted my low posting during days 3 and 4 and some observers even fingered me as scum playing a long con with some amazing "bus JB day 2" strategy, just based on my change of style (which came on due to final exams). Also, I feel like BL would have targeted you after your aggressive very Blue play on day 4. You basically soft-claimed Cop by going after xtf in such an aggressive fashion and THEN producing evidence. The mafia noticed it right away if you check out their QT. I still think town had a big advantage, I just don't think it was unwinnable. Bluelightz slipped pretty hard with the flagrant sheeping though-- as a general rule as Mafia, try to imagine what a Town version of you would do in that circumstance-- you wouldn't try to abdicate responsability for your actions. I immediately thought something was wrong after that post.
In retrospect, I should have just roleclaimed to ensure the lynch. 5-1 with the suspicions town had for the next two days would have won the game
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On December 15 2011 19:52 layabout wrote:
what specifically was good about town's play?
did i ruin the atmosphere when i joined the game?
will you forgive me tunkeg? <3
Ofcourse, what happends in the game stays in the game. I went over the top on you, and I am sorry about that, but you really pissed me off.
For my own play it was just baaah. After a ok day 1, where I had made this awesome spreadsheet where I was going to track the game, it just went down hill (finishing it off with a total blowout). Catching up to US postings after 16 hours away from the post everyday made me read the thread sloppy. I didn't use my coach at all almost, him beeing in different timezone and also me having little time to get good reads on the game.
Just as BByte I won't be joining another game soon, playing it without putting enough time into it is just to hard.
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On December 16 2011 03:37 Velinath wrote:Show nested quote +On December 16 2011 03:24 Blazinghand wrote:On December 16 2011 03:18 Velinath wrote:On December 16 2011 02:53 Blazinghand wrote:On December 16 2011 02:44 BroodKingEXE wrote:
Hey for those of you who did not read the dead/observer post. You guys had it won by the tiebreak vote. XTF was the first person with two votes, so if he was mafia the other mafia would try to change his or her vote against someone else. Honestly I'm not even sure we would have won for sure if bluelightz could keep suspicion off of himself-- though it would be very tough once xtf was down. Maybe if he bussed him before I cast my vote? I was just surprised velinath never got killed for being helpful, or that nobody realized I was the doctor desperately trying to keep myself alive. Every night I was like 100% sure that this night the mafia would realize I was the doctor and just kill me. Especially since they were roleblocking me. I was targeting Bluelightz for investigation on Night 4, as I figured if he cleared Tunkeg would likely be the last scum. Since ey was already cleared for me we could have afforded a mislynch there if Bluelightz cleared that night - which I believe would leave you as the only player I didn't check (I figured you were town from Day 1, heh). Bear in mind that I plan to play in a similarly aggressive style should I be a town OR scum player in future games. I like talking. As you can see (Bbyte, BKEXE) my style is just as good at getting bandwagons rolling on town players as it is on mafia players-- although it may make sense not to draw too much attention as mafia, what's more suspicious to you-- Blazinghand being loud or Blazinghand being quiet? Several players suspiciously noted my low posting during days 3 and 4 and some observers even fingered me as scum playing a long con with some amazing "bus JB day 2" strategy, just based on my change of style (which came on due to final exams). Also, I feel like BL would have targeted you after your aggressive very Blue play on day 4. You basically soft-claimed Cop by going after xtf in such an aggressive fashion and THEN producing evidence. The mafia noticed it right away if you check out their QT. I still think town had a big advantage, I just don't think it was unwinnable. Bluelightz slipped pretty hard with the flagrant sheeping though-- as a general rule as Mafia, try to imagine what a Town version of you would do in that circumstance-- you wouldn't try to abdicate responsability for your actions. I immediately thought something was wrong after that post. In retrospect, I should have just roleclaimed to ensure the lynch. 5-1 with the suspicions town had for the next two days would have won the game
For sure, you claim and get it down to 5 town -1 scum, you ensure yourself at least 1 more check, in this scenario it turns out that BH was the medic so you were going to be healed without claiming, but if tunkeg or ey was the medic BH would have been healed and you would probably be killed.
If I was scum you would be one of my earliest kills, you were on everybody's townie list but not nearly as likely to be protected like BH.
I can sort of see a reason for why BH didn't want to claim now. Everybody assumed that he was a cop and a lot of his posts make him look blue, so if you claimed cop scum would probably realize he was the medic.
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Blazinghand
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On December 16 2011 03:37 Velinath wrote:Show nested quote +On December 16 2011 03:24 Blazinghand wrote:On December 16 2011 03:18 Velinath wrote:On December 16 2011 02:53 Blazinghand wrote:On December 16 2011 02:44 BroodKingEXE wrote:
Hey for those of you who did not read the dead/observer post. You guys had it won by the tiebreak vote. XTF was the first person with two votes, so if he was mafia the other mafia would try to change his or her vote against someone else. Honestly I'm not even sure we would have won for sure if bluelightz could keep suspicion off of himself-- though it would be very tough once xtf was down. Maybe if he bussed him before I cast my vote? I was just surprised velinath never got killed for being helpful, or that nobody realized I was the doctor desperately trying to keep myself alive. Every night I was like 100% sure that this night the mafia would realize I was the doctor and just kill me. Especially since they were roleblocking me. I was targeting Bluelightz for investigation on Night 4, as I figured if he cleared Tunkeg would likely be the last scum. Since ey was already cleared for me we could have afforded a mislynch there if Bluelightz cleared that night - which I believe would leave you as the only player I didn't check (I figured you were town from Day 1, heh). Bear in mind that I plan to play in a similarly aggressive style should I be a town OR scum player in future games. I like talking. As you can see (Bbyte, BKEXE) my style is just as good at getting bandwagons rolling on town players as it is on mafia players-- although it may make sense not to draw too much attention as mafia, what's more suspicious to you-- Blazinghand being loud or Blazinghand being quiet? Several players suspiciously noted my low posting during days 3 and 4 and some observers even fingered me as scum playing a long con with some amazing "bus JB day 2" strategy, just based on my change of style (which came on due to final exams). Also, I feel like BL would have targeted you after your aggressive very Blue play on day 4. You basically soft-claimed Cop by going after xtf in such an aggressive fashion and THEN producing evidence. The mafia noticed it right away if you check out their QT. I still think town had a big advantage, I just don't think it was unwinnable. Bluelightz slipped pretty hard with the flagrant sheeping though-- as a general rule as Mafia, try to imagine what a Town version of you would do in that circumstance-- you wouldn't try to abdicate responsability for your actions. I immediately thought something was wrong after that post. In retrospect, I should have just roleclaimed to ensure the lynch. 5-1 with the suspicions town had for the next two days would have won the game
That may have worked. Especially with the Doctor still alive, and the mafia no longer having a roleblocker, they'd be in a very tough situation. Bluelightz wasn't in a position to counterclaim, and neither was xtfftc. The only risk was, at the time we didn't know whether xtfftc was the roleblocker or not. If Bluelightz was the roleblocker, he could roleblock me and kill you Night 4. Now, granted, he wasn't, but we couldn't know that. Then again, he wasn't sure I was doctor, but with a DT roleclaim who's not me, they'd probably piece it together.
On December 16 2011 03:45 Grackaroni wrote:Show nested quote +On December 16 2011 03:37 Velinath wrote:On December 16 2011 03:24 Blazinghand wrote:On December 16 2011 03:18 Velinath wrote:On December 16 2011 02:53 Blazinghand wrote:On December 16 2011 02:44 BroodKingEXE wrote:
Hey for those of you who did not read the dead/observer post. You guys had it won by the tiebreak vote. XTF was the first person with two votes, so if he was mafia the other mafia would try to change his or her vote against someone else. Honestly I'm not even sure we would have won for sure if bluelightz could keep suspicion off of himself-- though it would be very tough once xtf was down. Maybe if he bussed him before I cast my vote? I was just surprised velinath never got killed for being helpful, or that nobody realized I was the doctor desperately trying to keep myself alive. Every night I was like 100% sure that this night the mafia would realize I was the doctor and just kill me. Especially since they were roleblocking me. I was targeting Bluelightz for investigation on Night 4, as I figured if he cleared Tunkeg would likely be the last scum. Since ey was already cleared for me we could have afforded a mislynch there if Bluelightz cleared that night - which I believe would leave you as the only player I didn't check (I figured you were town from Day 1, heh). Bear in mind that I plan to play in a similarly aggressive style should I be a town OR scum player in future games. I like talking. As you can see (Bbyte, BKEXE) my style is just as good at getting bandwagons rolling on town players as it is on mafia players-- although it may make sense not to draw too much attention as mafia, what's more suspicious to you-- Blazinghand being loud or Blazinghand being quiet? Several players suspiciously noted my low posting during days 3 and 4 and some observers even fingered me as scum playing a long con with some amazing "bus JB day 2" strategy, just based on my change of style (which came on due to final exams). Also, I feel like BL would have targeted you after your aggressive very Blue play on day 4. You basically soft-claimed Cop by going after xtf in such an aggressive fashion and THEN producing evidence. The mafia noticed it right away if you check out their QT. I still think town had a big advantage, I just don't think it was unwinnable. Bluelightz slipped pretty hard with the flagrant sheeping though-- as a general rule as Mafia, try to imagine what a Town version of you would do in that circumstance-- you wouldn't try to abdicate responsability for your actions. I immediately thought something was wrong after that post. In retrospect, I should have just roleclaimed to ensure the lynch. 5-1 with the suspicions town had for the next two days would have won the game For sure, you claim and get it down to 5 town -1 scum, you ensure yourself at least 1 more check, in this scenario it turns out that BH was the medic so you were going to be healed without claiming, but if tunkeg or ey was the medic BH would have been healed and you would probably be killed. If I was scum you would be one of my earliest kills, you were on everybody's townie list but not nearly as likely to be protected like BH. I can sort of see a reason for why BH didn't want to claim now. Everybody assumed that he was a cop and a lot of his posts make him look blue, so if you claimed cop scum would probably realize he was the medic.
Yeah I'll admit I didn't want my cover to be blown. I was actually safer with the mafia thinking I was a cop.
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I didn't believe that you were a cop though so I jumped to the conclusion that you were scum.
This was the post that really threw me off.
"As a side note, I have some good news! Our blues are probably Doctor + DT/Watch, because there's no other reason I'd get roleblocked last night. They think I'm DT/Watcher, and as long as they keep roleblocking me our blues are free to do what they want (since they'll probably think I'm bluffing to get them to stop roleblocking me). "
This doesn't really make you look less like a cop, you're practically screaming to scum that you didn't want to be roleblocked.
(if you wanted to attract scum to roleblock you, you didn't have to say anything because they already believed you were a cop.)
It made me think that you wanted people to believe you were a cop, which in a way I guess was accurate.
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Blazinghand
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On December 16 2011 03:55 Grackaroni wrote:
I didn't believe that you were a cop though so I jumped to the conclusion that you were scum.
This was the post that really threw me off.
"As a side note, I have some good news! Our blues are probably Doctor + DT/Watch, because there's no other reason I'd get roleblocked last night. They think I'm DT/Watcher, and as long as they keep roleblocking me our blues are free to do what they want (since they'll probably think I'm bluffing to get them to stop roleblocking me). "
This doesn't really make you look less like a cop, you're practically screaming to scum that you didn't want to be roleblocked.
(if you wanted to attract scum to roleblock you, you didn't have to say anything because they already believed you were a cop.)
It made me think that you wanted people to believe you were a cop, which in a way I guess was accurate.
Indeed. I made that post specifically to tell our Cop the clock was ticking, I was the Doctor, and I was getting roleblocked.
See, Veli read that post and immediately realized what was happening-- he's the DT, so he knew immediately that it was DT/Doctor and that I was being roleblocked consistently.
The mafia read that post and said "lawl noob cop trying to get us not to roleblock him"
It also kept me alive.
EDIT: Hopefully. It's unclear whether he figured out I was the Doctor. It's hard to indicate you're the Doctor to the DT without indicating it to the mafia. The only information that Veli had that the mafia didn't was that I *wasn't* the DT. So by acting blue, to the mafia it appears i'm the DT, and to him it appears i'm the Doctor.
EDIT EDIT: Not that any of this actually mattered.
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On December 16 2011 03:58 Blazinghand wrote:Show nested quote +On December 16 2011 03:55 Grackaroni wrote:
I didn't believe that you were a cop though so I jumped to the conclusion that you were scum.
This was the post that really threw me off.
"As a side note, I have some good news! Our blues are probably Doctor + DT/Watch, because there's no other reason I'd get roleblocked last night. They think I'm DT/Watcher, and as long as they keep roleblocking me our blues are free to do what they want (since they'll probably think I'm bluffing to get them to stop roleblocking me). "
This doesn't really make you look less like a cop, you're practically screaming to scum that you didn't want to be roleblocked.
(if you wanted to attract scum to roleblock you, you didn't have to say anything because they already believed you were a cop.)
It made me think that you wanted people to believe you were a cop, which in a way I guess was accurate. Indeed. I made that post specifically to tell our Cop the clock was ticking, I was the Doctor, and I was getting roleblocked. See, Veli read that post and immediately realized what was happening-- he's the DT, so he knew immediately that it was DT/Doctor and that I was being roleblocked consistently. The mafia read that post and said "lawl noob cop trying to get us not to roleblock him" It also kept me alive. EDIT: Hopefully. It's unclear whether he figured out I was the Doctor. It's hard to indicate you're the Doctor to the DT without indicating it to the mafia. The only information that Veli had that the mafia didn't was that I *wasn't* the DT. So by acting blue, to the mafia it appears i'm the DT, and to him it appears i'm the Doctor. EDIT EDIT: Not that any of this actually mattered.
Yeah, I figured it out. I'm not sure what good it did, I mean, I was already kind of investigating players who I was "on the fence" about. (Without that investigation, I would never have voted xtfftc, for instance).
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I agree with BC that scum should've had a vet if town got a vet. The drawback is that only two players learn to play scum, but that's not a huge problem IMO, particularly when you have one or maybe even two vets on the town side.
In order for this to be feasible I think perhaps the next newbie or newbie-ish game should have 16 players. Activity is up recently and there were even a lot of new players in the normal game. Personally, I don't actually like newbie games, since I think normals are just better for new players, but they're certainly more popular recently, so they should definitely continue IMO.
One thing from a scum perspective that sucks when you know there's a vet on the town side is that you know you have to work uphill in order to stop the inevitable from happening. There is no reasonable way to deal with the vet, since if town catches on by day 1 the vet will get protected. Thus it's almost a gamble to shoot the vet. The smurf kinda diminishes this, but then the coaches should at least be informed that there is a vet player smurfing. I don't recall whether BC was actually notified about this.
This game was a good example of what happens when townies do what they're supposed to do. Standard scum play on TL is terrible, and it's because really no one knows what to do as scum. However, scum often still win (as in the last newbie game and in every normal game I've ever played in) by doing nothing because towns are worse.
In this game, several townies stepped up to the plate, established themselves early on as town, and destroyed any possibility of several different paths of mislynch opportunities for scum. Less options means you pigeonhole the scum into focusing on a select few players. When the set is smaller, you can identify behavioral differences far more easily because scum and town are focusing on the same players.
In addition, those same townies made very good use of logic and didn't try anything fancy or stupid. It was just solid play. That's all town needs. No gambits. You don't even need roleclaims or blues. You just need good, solid, logical analytical play. Logic and analysis win games for town, and it's good that this game exemplified it.
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On December 16 2011 03:28 Grackaroni wrote:
I figured there was no way that Blue could be scum because mafia would help him post better than that.
If the mafia plays as a team, yes. In this game we hardly had a team. Jay didn't listen and was doing his own thing but at least he tried playing, so it's okay. But Blue was lurking and would then come to the QT and say things such as "xtf don't jump on the EY bandwagon" when I was the person who started it in the first place...
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On December 16 2011 03:55 Grackaroni wrote:
I didn't believe that you were a cop though so I jumped to the conclusion that you were scum.
This was the post that really threw me off.
"As a side note, I have some good news! Our blues are probably Doctor + DT/Watch, because there's no other reason I'd get roleblocked last night. They think I'm DT/Watcher, and as long as they keep roleblocking me our blues are free to do what they want (since they'll probably think I'm bluffing to get them to stop roleblocking me). "
This doesn't really make you look less like a cop, you're practically screaming to scum that you didn't want to be roleblocked.
(if you wanted to attract scum to roleblock you, you didn't have to say anything because they already believed you were a cop.)
It made me think that you wanted people to believe you were a cop, which in a way I guess was accurate.
For what it's worth, I didn't particularly care about whether BH was blue or not. He had a good effect on the town's play overall but I didn't feel like killing him on Night 2 or 3 would have changed that much, so I opted to go for others. Killing him on Night 1 would have been better but EB was the priority and there was no way I was going for anyone else.
P.S. I just checked the times of posting and I realised that I wanted to lynch him after his first post in the game (this one).
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On December 16 2011 05:16 wherebugsgo wrote:
This game was a good example of what happens when townies do what they're supposed to do. Standard scum play on TL is terrible, and it's because really no one knows what to do as scum. However, scum often still win (as in the last newbie game and in every normal game I've ever played in) by doing nothing because towns are worse.
While town did well, you seem to forget that me and Jay were pretty active. It wasn't particularly good but we weren't doing the standard lurking play lazy maifa goes for, which made it much easier for town than half-lurking would have done.
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Blazinghand
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On December 16 2011 09:05 xtfftc wrote:Show nested quote +On December 16 2011 03:28 Grackaroni wrote:
I figured there was no way that Blue could be scum because mafia would help him post better than that. If the mafia plays as a team, yes. In this game we hardly had a team. Jay didn't listen and was doing his own thing but at least he tried playing, so it's okay. But Blue was lurking and then saying things such as "xtf don't jump on the EY bandwagon" when I was the person who started it in the first place...
I think it was somewhat unlucky for mafia team that Hassybaby went afk, then Bluelightz also went afk... and came back to play sub-optimally. It's really tough to sub in for another player especially for someone new who maybe wasn't entirely sure what was going on in the thread (Layabout can tell you how hard it is to pick up two batons at once, since sandshard ended up going afk as well-- I think he deserves some real credit for contributing to the town despite being thrown into the deep end rather harshly).
On December 16 2011 09:07 xtfftc wrote:Show nested quote +On December 16 2011 03:55 Grackaroni wrote:
I didn't believe that you were a cop though so I jumped to the conclusion that you were scum.
This was the post that really threw me off.
"As a side note, I have some good news! Our blues are probably Doctor + DT/Watch, because there's no other reason I'd get roleblocked last night. They think I'm DT/Watcher, and as long as they keep roleblocking me our blues are free to do what they want (since they'll probably think I'm bluffing to get them to stop roleblocking me). "
This doesn't really make you look less like a cop, you're practically screaming to scum that you didn't want to be roleblocked.
(if you wanted to attract scum to roleblock you, you didn't have to say anything because they already believed you were a cop.)
It made me think that you wanted people to believe you were a cop, which in a way I guess was accurate. For what it's worth, I didn't particularly care about whether BH was blue or not. He had a good effect on the town's play overall but I didn't feel like killing him on Night 2 or 3 would have changed that much, so I opted to go for others. Killing him on Night 1 would have been better but EB was the priority and there was no way I was going for anyone else.
Well, you did spend a couple roleblocks on me which let Veli find you 
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For those who missed it: Palmar soft-claimed smurf very early into the game:
If he is scum, he's the first scum I've ever seen actually trying to push the town away from lynching lurkers on day 1.
Also, considering that the post I quoted was on Veli who was town, I think that I get to be the first scum Palmar's ever seen actually trying to push the town away from lynching lurkers on day 1™.
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