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Blazinghand
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Adam4167 Im going to laugh myself stupid if BH was the medic the whole time, and the mafia we're too scared to hit him because they thought the medic was hiding in the shadows and protecting him every night. :DDDDDDDDD | ||
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Blazinghand
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xtfftc aggressively went after ey215 when I did, then vocally opposed the BByte wagon, [i]then hopped on the wagon.[i] "Dude, no need to be so defensive. Blazinghand is trying hard to organise the town. I don't agree with some of his ideas but they are stuff to be discussed. There is absolutely no need for a townie to react like you did. Blazing's play so far is great." This felt really fake. Sometime during day 2 he tried to bail out JB also. The reason I remember this is I thought BKEXE did it, but when I looked for it I couldn't find it, because xtfftc did it. It was a pretty hard bail-- something like "hey guys let's chill out and talk about something unhelpful instead". and, also, because Velinath voted for you, and I thought he was the DT. I knew there was a DT/watcher (probably DT) out there, and he wasn't being roleblocked. Velinath makes a naked vote to start the day: http://www.teamliquid.net/forum/viewmessage.php?topic_id=291067¤tpage=55#1081 And at this point, I either thought Veli was mafia or the DT, which is why I kept on asking people to analyze him (trying to get the DT to check him if he's not him), and saving him. After jumping out with such a bold accusation, I realized it was a breadcrumb he was leaving behind. All this, though, wasn't until the final hours leading into the vote. I was initially onto Tunkeg because his statistical "reasoning" was so dumb it HAD to be scum play. But bluelightz scumslipped so hard I jumped on him. Sadly, nobody followed. It wasn't until I was able to look back on it all with a clear head that I fingered xtfftc. It was really the attempt to bail JB that hurt you in my eyes. | ||
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Blazinghand
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On December 15 2011 19:20 Palmar wrote: Can you guys please answer these questions: Did you like having a veteran in the newbie game? Would you prefer the veteran did not smurf? Would you prefer giving both factions a veteran? A) Yes! It was fun. 2] Smurfing is important imo so the town can develop its own personality without relying on the vet. Ideally the vet should play as you did: be a good townie, do his thing, get killed off first night. III. I think a scum vet might have helped this game, but it's unclear. I feel like in newb games it's scum-favored, so maybe a single town vet who dies off quickly is ideal. | ||
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EDIT: Also, BKEXE, no hard feelings. Your posting did improve towards the end there. I won't viciously go after you in the next game we have together  | ||
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I think it may have made sense for the coaches to know that there was a Vet player, even if it wouldn't make sense for the players to know, btw. Or at least for the mafia coach to know. In some hypothetical situation where BC hadn't noticed Palmar, perhaps because he didn't know to keep an eye open, the town would have won pretty handily, since each town player had a coach, whereas there was only 1 coach for the 2 Mafia. That's another thing-- and I know there's only so many coaches-- maybe 2 coaches for 3 mafia? It seems from reading the thread like BC wasn't always awake at the right times to help at crucial junctures, and he had partying and work and stuff to do. | ||
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On December 16 2011 02:22 Forumite wrote: I´m not following, are you saying it was too much to coach 3 players? wait wait waaaaait ok so I was totally thinking that each town coach had only one townie. heh. Well, that makes more sense. I mean, it sounds like manpower was fairly limited regarding coaching so my suggestion wasn't realistic anyways. | ||
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Blazinghand
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On December 16 2011 02:44 BroodKingEXE wrote: Hey for those of you who did not read the dead/observer post. You guys had it won by the tiebreak vote. XTF was the first person with two votes, so if he was mafia the other mafia would try to change his or her vote against someone else. Honestly I'm not even sure we would have won for sure if bluelightz could keep suspicion off of himself-- though it would be very tough once xtf was down. Maybe if he bussed him before I cast my vote? I was just surprised velinath never got killed for being helpful, or that nobody realized I was the doctor desperately trying to keep myself alive. Every night I was like 100% sure that this night the mafia would realize I was the doctor and just kill me. Especially since they were roleblocking me. | ||
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Blazinghand
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On December 16 2011 02:52 Forumite wrote: I see what you mean. All roles were random, but if the scumteam is full of europeans, then an european coach is preferable. Maybe the best thing here would be to determine the scum coach based on the coach's time zone (after the scumteam is determined randomly)? | ||
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Blazinghand
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On December 16 2011 03:18 Velinath wrote: I was targeting Bluelightz for investigation on Night 4, as I figured if he cleared Tunkeg would likely be the last scum. Since ey was already cleared for me we could have afforded a mislynch there if Bluelightz cleared that night - which I believe would leave you as the only player I didn't check (I figured you were town from Day 1, heh). Bear in mind that I plan to play in a similarly aggressive style should I be a town OR scum player in future games. I like talking. As you can see (Bbyte, BKEXE) my style is just as good at getting bandwagons rolling on town players as it is on mafia players-- although it may make sense not to draw too much attention as mafia, what's more suspicious to you-- Blazinghand being loud or Blazinghand being quiet? Several players suspiciously noted my low posting during days 3 and 4 and some observers even fingered me as scum playing a long con with some amazing "bus JB day 2" strategy, just based on my change of style (which came on due to final exams). Also, I feel like BL would have targeted you after your aggressive very Blue play on day 4. You basically soft-claimed Cop by going after xtf in such an aggressive fashion and THEN producing evidence. The mafia noticed it right away if you check out their QT. I still think town had a big advantage, I just don't think it was unwinnable. Bluelightz slipped pretty hard with the flagrant sheeping though-- as a general rule as Mafia, try to imagine what a Town version of you would do in that circumstance-- you wouldn't try to abdicate responsability for your actions. I immediately thought something was wrong after that post. | ||
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On December 16 2011 03:37 Velinath wrote: In retrospect, I should have just roleclaimed to ensure the lynch. 5-1 with the suspicions town had for the next two days would have won the game That may have worked. Especially with the Doctor still alive, and the mafia no longer having a roleblocker, they'd be in a very tough situation. Bluelightz wasn't in a position to counterclaim, and neither was xtfftc. The only risk was, at the time we didn't know whether xtfftc was the roleblocker or not. If Bluelightz was the roleblocker, he could roleblock me and kill you Night 4. Now, granted, he wasn't, but we couldn't know that. Then again, he wasn't sure I was doctor, but with a DT roleclaim who's not me, they'd probably piece it together. On December 16 2011 03:45 Grackaroni wrote: For sure, you claim and get it down to 5 town -1 scum, you ensure yourself at least 1 more check, in this scenario it turns out that BH was the medic so you were going to be healed without claiming, but if tunkeg or ey was the medic BH would have been healed and you would probably be killed. If I was scum you would be one of my earliest kills, you were on everybody's townie list but not nearly as likely to be protected like BH. I can sort of see a reason for why BH didn't want to claim now. Everybody assumed that he was a cop and a lot of his posts make him look blue, so if you claimed cop scum would probably realize he was the medic. Yeah I'll admit I didn't want my cover to be blown. I was actually safer with the mafia thinking I was a cop. | ||
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On December 16 2011 03:55 Grackaroni wrote: I didn't believe that you were a cop though so I jumped to the conclusion that you were scum. This was the post that really threw me off. "As a side note, I have some good news! Our blues are probably Doctor + DT/Watch, because there's no other reason I'd get roleblocked last night. They think I'm DT/Watcher, and as long as they keep roleblocking me our blues are free to do what they want (since they'll probably think I'm bluffing to get them to stop roleblocking me). " This doesn't really make you look less like a cop, you're practically screaming to scum that you didn't want to be roleblocked. (if you wanted to attract scum to roleblock you, you didn't have to say anything because they already believed you were a cop.) It made me think that you wanted people to believe you were a cop, which in a way I guess was accurate. Indeed. I made that post specifically to tell our Cop the clock was ticking, I was the Doctor, and I was getting roleblocked. See, Veli read that post and immediately realized what was happening-- he's the DT, so he knew immediately that it was DT/Doctor and that I was being roleblocked consistently. The mafia read that post and said "lawl noob cop trying to get us not to roleblock him" It also kept me alive. EDIT: Hopefully. It's unclear whether he figured out I was the Doctor. It's hard to indicate you're the Doctor to the DT without indicating it to the mafia. The only information that Veli had that the mafia didn't was that I *wasn't* the DT. So by acting blue, to the mafia it appears i'm the DT, and to him it appears i'm the Doctor. EDIT EDIT: Not that any of this actually mattered. | ||
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On December 16 2011 09:05 xtfftc wrote: If the mafia plays as a team, yes. In this game we hardly had a team. Jay didn't listen and was doing his own thing but at least he tried playing, so it's okay. But Blue was lurking and then saying things such as "xtf don't jump on the EY bandwagon" when I was the person who started it in the first place... I think it was somewhat unlucky for mafia team that Hassybaby went afk, then Bluelightz also went afk... and came back to play sub-optimally. It's really tough to sub in for another player especially for someone new who maybe wasn't entirely sure what was going on in the thread (Layabout can tell you how hard it is to pick up two batons at once, since sandshard ended up going afk as well-- I think he deserves some real credit for contributing to the town despite being thrown into the deep end rather harshly). On December 16 2011 09:07 xtfftc wrote: For what it's worth, I didn't particularly care about whether BH was blue or not. He had a good effect on the town's play overall but I didn't feel like killing him on Night 2 or 3 would have changed that much, so I opted to go for others. Killing him on Night 1 would have been better but EB was the priority and there was no way I was going for anyone else. Well, you did spend a couple roleblocks on me which let Veli find you  | ||
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On December 16 2011 09:23 xtfftc wrote: For those who missed it: Palmar soft-claimed he smurf very early into the game: Also, considering that the post I quoted was on Veli who was town, I think that I get to be the first scum Palmar's ever seen actually trying to push the town away from lynching lurkers on day 1™. I assumed he was talking about previous mafia games; I read through about 4 or 5 mafia threads before I started in this game. Of course in HINDSIGHT it becomes clear that EB was a smurf, but during the game I thought he was just a terrible ragey semi-lurking european. LOL. On December 16 2011 09:24 Adam4167 wrote: And ill also echo what others have said: Its a huge time investment, just to not be lynched for lurking. I lost actual sleep over this game, lying there, wondering if i could talk myself out of the hole id dug myself into, or if BKEXE was going to flip town and id feel like an ass for pushing his case (yep!). Dude! I totally spend nights poring over people's filters looking for slipups. And I was definitely really worried about the BKEXE lynch during the last like 12 hours when he shaped up his posting. Unlike JB who withdrew entirely, BKEXE was legitimately trying to help in his final hours. He was WRONG, but he was trying to help. It was very unnerving. Sleep, Mafia, Social Life, Academics. Pick 2. | ||
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On December 16 2011 09:31 Adam4167 wrote: I even sat there and thumbed through everyone's filter outside of mafia to get a feel for who they really were. That took about 9 hours. And its exactly what 'confirmed' you as townie for me on the 2nd day. Your posting was just consistent with how you were in other threads (srsly, 3000 posts worth.... I hate you). This is why I was happy to take more of a backseat to you towards the end, I knew you had towns interests at heart (even if you did hang poor Bbyte for nothing ).Oh man... dude. I've made so many posts here on TL. I've been here for a year (as of today)... probably like 2k of them in Sc2 Strategy just answering questions. That's a lot of hard work to read through all that. I'm honestly impressed. | ||
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On December 16 2011 09:46 Adam4167 wrote: Yeah, I feel like I know how to play Terran now. Not that id ever want to... dirty OP shit Man you've got a sweet scv as your profile pic! Change it to your real race so you can be an op probe or imba drone. On December 16 2011 09:44 Adam4167 wrote: But we, as town, may not realize who the other vet even is, unless they aren't smurfing. I know I liked EB (mainly because he was making sense and shoving BH back a bit), but I had no clue he was a vet until I read the TL48 thread and Annul outed him as a smurf account. So I was in #TLMafia the other day and Palmar was like "blah blah why did you vote me in that game" and I was like "wuhh" and he was like "yeah man you were wrong" and I was so confused then he was like "I'm EB" and I was like "oh.... oh. that make sense now" | ||
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I'm not sure, though, that EB really helped the town a huge amount. Not to bag on palmar but basically he disagreed with me a bunch, flipped out, made some unsubstantiated (if correct) remarks, then got gunned down like a punk. | ||
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On December 16 2011 10:04 BloodyC0bbler wrote: issue is, had he been able to remain alive he would have done a ton. It doesn't help the only reason I spotted him was his retarded post in the other game lol that's true. this might sound dumb, but maybe the smurfs should have a goal of being killed night 1? Like, identifying themselves as town, being a good player, then trying to get shot like a punk? EDIT: of course, this might also caused them to get healed by a medic, etc, which would only worsen the problem. | ||
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