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annul
United States2841 Posts
ciryandor kenpachi serejai vaderseven sprungjeezy of these, top 2 have conceded redness. bottom 3 are likely due to last minute voting. i am reluctant to make it 100% because risen did the same shit and he was a green. but yeah. if ciryandor and kenpachi are bane targets they need to go by way of bane, tonight. i wonder if it is smart to get two banes to claim (if two banes exist) to coordinate shots. also, of these people, we need to comb their profiles to see if they match any clues. | ||
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annul
United States2841 Posts
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Hassybaby
United Kingdom10823 Posts
On November 30 2011 23:23 Hassybaby wrote: Annul, I'm gonna rephrase the list, so that people can agree/disagree and we can at least start the discussions Kenpachi Ciryandor Serejai Vaderseven Sprungjeezy Keep em coming I'll just keep adding to the quote. Like I said, not sure about Serajai any more, but I'll throw him on there. He's worth a check at least. Btw, others please contribute. We need some direction so any help is appreciated. This list isn't set in stone so hopefully some decent discussions will come out of this | ||
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Barbiero
Brazil5259 Posts
On November 30 2011 23:30 annul wrote: if a town vig/bane hits a mafia member who the mafia (or the RNG) has chosen to perform a night kill, is the night kill prevented? I'm betting that there would be some epic story about the mafia member chasing, killing and getting killed right after the chase; or even some epic duel or something like that  | ||
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annul
United States2841 Posts
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annul
United States2841 Posts
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xtfftc
United Kingdom2343 Posts
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Hassybaby
United Kingdom10823 Posts
Anyone have a good read on Hier? His sudden disappearance made me super suspicious, but he was right about Kenpachi... | ||
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Toadesstern
Germany16350 Posts
On November 30 2011 23:33 annul wrote: (since usually individual mafia members arent "doing" the killing in non-clue games so hitting one red at night isnt gonna stop the whole of mafia KP. but here, when its individuals who do the killing, it may be relevant. since generally speaking mafia KP on a shooting night vig = night vig shoots before he dies...) I'm pretty sure they have to individually kill in non-clue games too. Just if there's nothing to actually block a night action or if there's no clues there's no need to assign a killer obviously. | ||
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Hassybaby
United Kingdom10823 Posts
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Serejai
6007 Posts
On November 30 2011 23:26 annul wrote: serejai and vaderseven as well. I want you guys to remember this post when I flip town, considering I've been saying all game that annul is mafia and also because I'm the one who originally pointed out that vaderseven is mafia. When I flip town, take out annul. He's scum. | ||
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Serejai
6007 Posts
a) They're going to die anyway, and b) By bussing them he gets town cred without any negative consequences to his scum team (see a) Please, please don't let annul sheep you guys into thinking he's town because of these flips. | ||
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Benjef
United Kingdom6921 Posts
On November 30 2011 23:45 Serejai wrote: I want you guys to remember this post when I flip town, considering I've been saying all game that annul is mafia and also because I'm the one who originally pointed out that vaderseven is mafia. When I flip town, take out annul. He's scum. Why did Annul push for Zeks lynch so hard then :S? | ||
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vaderseven
United States2556 Posts
I have looking at the votes and trying to piece some things together and noticed a key point. If everyone was changing votes as a gambit to get the two elected roles and save Zeks, why did Zeks not even bother to cast his 2nd vote? If he had done so he would have had the option to save himself and kill the sheriff. The only reason not to is if he wanted to protect the sheriff. What I assumed was happening last night was alot of people were aware of the deadline and where doing last minute reads of some filters like Palmer's and saw his emo quit. As I saw those votes pile in I saw the opening to kill the two most dangerous players in my eye. I don't know what to say beyond kill the two that claimed scum. Question- Is the town really dead without double lynches? If so, that alone will prove or dissprove BCs alignment. At the Guy who said me saying stop PMing me is scummy. Annul and 2 others I can't recall the names of, one of whom is dead and flipped town, sent me PMs that were kinda about the game but kinda not (all were about opinions on rules and mod kills) and I passed those on to the GM. Dunno why you think that's a scum tell but there you go. | ||
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vaderseven
United States2556 Posts
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Serejai
6007 Posts
On November 30 2011 23:49 Benjef wrote: Why did Annul push for Zeks lynch so hard then :S? Zeks was going to die, also. He scumslipped and was probably intended to be a bus anyway. The only evidence annul had was a vague day 1 clue when he started accusing Zeks. Nobody but him was willing to convict based on a clue, but he kept pushing it over and over. I would personally look at the list of people who switched from Zeks to Palmar, as they were likely mafia voting to bus Zeks and get the sheep to follow, then jumped ship to their real target later. Anyone who switched from Zeks to Palmar, at any point in the voting, should be looked at. | ||
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xtfftc
United Kingdom2343 Posts
On November 30 2011 23:40 Hassybaby wrote: Zephirdd, you may well have a really good point there. Which means its even more important that we nail our shots tonight. Anyone have a good read on Hier? His sudden disappearance made me super suspicious, but he was right about Kenpachi... When I analysed his posts yesterday I couldn't make up my mind - but his subsequent disappearance reminds a lot of how zeks acted. Both attempted to defend themselves and didn't do a terrible job but stopped contributing right after. | ||
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deconduo
Ireland4122 Posts
On November 30 2011 23:51 vaderseven wrote: Good morning tl Mafia. I have looking at the votes and trying to piece some things together and noticed a key point. If everyone was changing votes as a gambit to get the two elected roles and save Zeks, why did Zeks not even bother to cast his 2nd vote? If he had done so he would have had the option to save himself and kill the sheriff. The only reason not to is if he wanted to protect the sheriff. What I assumed was happening last night was alot of people were aware of the deadline and where doing last minute reads of some filters like Palmer's and saw his emo quit. As I saw those votes pile in I saw the opening to kill the two most dangerous players in my eye. I don't know what to say beyond kill the two that claimed scum. Question- Is the town really dead without double lynches? If so, that alone will prove or dissprove BCs alignment. At the Guy who said me saying stop PMing me is scummy. Annul and 2 others I can't recall the names of, one of whom is dead and flipped town, sent me PMs that were kinda about the game but kinda not (all were about opinions on rules and mod kills) and I passed those on to the GM. Dunno why you think that's a scum tell but there you go. Zeks last post before dying: http://www.teamliquid.net/forum/viewmessage.php?topic_id=285690¤tpage=178#3548 Just over 2 hours before the deadline. I assume he wasn't around when mafia came up with the kill Palmar plan so they couldn't get him to switch his vote. | ||
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annul
United States2841 Posts
what i PMed vader was the following: "Original Message From annul: this shit has happened in the past the veterans in tl mafia have a blatant disregard for the rules and its fucking stupid i quit mafia a year ago for similar blatant cheats and the game i come back to play has more cheating its really fucking sad. i dont care if you win or lose if you do so cheating theres no point" of course, vader responded to me too, with: "I am very tempted to quit this game if he isn't mod killed. Clauses like that BREAK the game. I wont reply to more pm's till after game." fair enough. i was likely to quit as well. it wouldnt be the first time i quit in the middle of the game in the face of blatant cheating that breaks the game. | ||
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annul
United States2841 Posts
"vague day 1 clue" no, it was not vague. it was blatant as fuck. this is why i pushed him and now, you all, newbies or whatever, can see that when i tell you clues CAN be used for ez pz red finding, im being serious. not every clue is as obvious as zeks' was, but some are. be not afraid to use this very, VERY powerful tool. its no different than giving us DTs | ||
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