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On November 22 2011 20:38 Zephirdd wrote: The target is told that he was hit and saved, that's exaclty what Palmar Yeah, I noticed, that´s why I said it was in the OP. Zephirdd, are you going to be more active now, or go back to 10 hours between posts? | ||
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On November 22 2011 07:19 Tyrran wrote: I agree with Tyrran here, these three were on the mislynch, but their stance look more suspicious than most. Also, while I'm at it : ##Vote: Coagulation ##Vote: Sabin010 ##Vote: xsksc You lurkers unburrow just to lynch an innocent WITHOUT any justification at all, and completely disregarding the post where I understand that prp is a potential blue ( yes i called him vigi which he denied but still) and Palmar huge post in his defence. You are either scum or really crappy town, i dont want you in the game either way. On November 21 2011 16:36 xsksc wrote: You didn´t post explanation later, you came back to fix the vote that didn´t stick though. Just woke up and skimmed the thread, got to run for work now. Just realised I hadn't voted yet, I'll post explanations for these later, hopefully during lunch. ##Vote: Prphlz ##Vote: Nisani201 On November 22 2011 04:22 Coagulation wrote: Why did you vote prplhz? Any special reason? ##vote: prplhz I wouldnt mind lynching ROL either after his "LOL LETS LYNCH KENPACHI" a real credit to town. On November 22 2011 02:28 Sabin010 wrote: And what part of the thread made you consider prplhz for the lynch? Ok i've read through the thread and this is what I have. ##Vote: prplhz Risk.Nuke is completely pro-town and I'm keeping this vote on you until you've removed your vote. If there are scum on the prplhz lynch, then they are either hiding among the three below, or the least the lurkers are playing in a way that is making it that much easier for scum to bandwagon. Off course you can be on a mislynch, but when you vote you take a stand, don´t sneak in another vote, hammering without getting much attention for it. ##Vote: Coagulation ##Vote: Sabin010 ##Vote: xsksc | ||
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On November 23 2011 17:31 Tyrran wrote: Guys stop voting for now. Blue role analysis incoming. DCLXVI is likely blue. Dont lynch him  I´ll listen. | ||
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On November 23 2011 18:37 Tyrran wrote: @Palmar Now that 2 medics have been revealed, and none protected you, your hit claim looks more scummy. Mafia is confirmed to have 2KP ( as i dont think any vigilante would have been stupid enough to shoot drazerk/risk.nuke), but it would be rather easy for mafia to only use one, and for you to claim hit. A third medic is rather unlikely dont you think ? Palmar could also be a one-shot veteran, which means he was still shot, but survived despite there not being any medics involved. | ||
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On November 23 2011 18:47 Palmar wrote: Okay, then either DCL is not a medic, we have a third medic, or you are lying. I have already explained that there is no mechanic in my role that allows me to survive night hits. I have a theory on the 3 deaths. The mechanic that is there to prevent people from claiming could have something to do with it, either claiming gives scum more nightkills, or they have a role that can target a player, and kills them if they have a role, but has no effect on vanilla townies. | ||
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On November 23 2011 19:47 wherebugsgo wrote: also ##vote Forumite for being repeatedly thick/repeatedly pushing stupid lynches. Stop it. Really. It's starting to get annoying. If you're actually town, take your head out of your ass and look at what you're doing. I can´t argue with this, I know I´m playing very bad now but I´m having a hard time figuring things out. I´ve seen so many connections and bad plays, putting my scumreads at 6+. Even if I feel more sure that the Palmar+WBG+Cyber trio is town now than while I was pushing prplhz, I´m still left with a lot of players I can´t decide on, like about 9, and I can´t work with that high a number. I´ll try to reread the thread, see if something comes up. | ||
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sinani206 (14): chaoser, GreYMisT, Lanaia, DCLXVI, Drazerk, Cyber_Cheese, risk.nuke, LSB, Tyrran, Forumite, Lemonwalrus, Zephirdd, HarbingerOfDoom, hyshes prplhz (12): Forumite, Drazerk, GreYMisT, Nisani201, hyshes, bumatlarge, risk.nuke, Kibibit, I thought that if I posted this, then perhaps it would make more sense... Anyway rereading the thread puts Zephirdd at the top of my scumlist. He looks odd because the first 4 posts after game start, 3 if not counting the one before he had checked his PM, look very nervous, he doesn´t say anything except random FoS without basis, then disappear for 12 hours and is suddenly much more organized, probably after talking to his scumbuddies. He´s the earliest non-Confirmed Townie on Kenpachi, before the first 2 votes make it a valid wagon, and the last non-Confirmed Townie on sinani206. His reasoning for the vote was weak, and he disappeared immediately afterwards. Yes, he went to MLG and Town can do that too, but the fact remains that his last post was jumping on the end of a bandwagon without providing much reasoning. Of all my scumreads, he´s one I´ve had a long time and quite consistently, it´s been weak, but I can´t remember ever seeing one of his posts and getting a strong Townread, even for that one post. ##Vote: Zephirdd | ||
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On November 23 2011 22:56 Palmar wrote: I reread the first day, that was enough for now. you're lying, you didn't re-read the thread. What do you think about Zeph? | ||
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On November 24 2011 01:22 hyshes wrote: @wbg: explain this. + Show Spoiler + On November 23 2011 19:05 wherebugsgo wrote: I would believe those are all townies. + Show Spoiler + On November 23 2011 19:47 wherebugsgo wrote: also ##vote Forumite for being repeatedly thick/repeatedly pushing stupid lynches. Stop it. Really. It's starting to get annoying. If you're actually town, take your head out of your ass and look at what you're doing. Whitin 1 post you change your thought on forumite? Without a post inbetween from forumite? Or any post concerning the matter? Everybody knows you don't post without reading the thread, so this makes no sence. He posted his thread before reading my post where I voted 3 of the lurkers who voted prplhz yesterday. It´s allready been answered earlier, you probably missed the post. | ||
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On November 24 2011 06:34 Nisani201 wrote: I would not recommend voting Coagulation. I am almost certain he is trying to draw votes to himself for whatever reason. I agree, although I have no idea why he would do that. It could be because of a role, because he thinks this will give him a lead while scumhunting, or because he wants to disrupt the game. I´m not sure if it needs to be disrupted though, it´s chaotic enough as it is. WBG, Nisani brought up a metagame reason to lynch RoL. What do you say? Has RoL's play been up to his standards? | ||
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On November 24 2011 07:11 wherebugsgo wrote: I disagree 100% with everything Nisani has said this game, what do you say about that? RoL is not scum. Try coming up with your own ideas for once. The fact that you're actually entertaining Nisani's ideas, of all people, is honestly blowing my mind right now. What I don´t understand is why you are 100% sure that he´s scum. Unless you have proof, there should be at least the possibility that he´s Town, and that some of his opinions should be considered before being discarded. | ||
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hyshes, just put him down as 100% Town, no need to explain. The only way he isn´t is if Drazerk lied about them being masonbuddies, but it´s so unlikely that there is no point in discussing it. Right now I think a lot of scum hide among the players below. They are chosen arbitrarily, by me. These are players who either lurk or subtly disrupt the game. Many of them have been reluctant about the main bandwagons. The big problem with this theory is that most of them are new players, and it´s normal for new players to have a problem with activity levels, then again it´s not hard to fake being a new player with . Probablility also suggests that scum are split between new and old players, but perhaps the new scum lurk and the old scum are active without giving themselves away. I´m expecting to find 3 scum among them, but I´m probably optimistic. Coagulation bumatlarge MrZentor Kibibit Sabin010 Zephirdd xsksc Thoughts on this? Feel like removing any of them from the list? | ||
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On November 24 2011 10:39 bumatlarge wrote: If you are town and do not vote DCL or palmar, you are bad at mafia. End of story. Still contributing, I see. DCL? I can understand hating on Palmar, but I´m not following DCL. Most have him written down as a Blue. | ||
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On November 24 2011 11:03 bumatlarge wrote: If he's blue palmar is scum. If you think palmar is town and really was shot, DCL is scum. I've gone over this. This is a blue-heavy game, with scum potentially having 3 nightkills, why can´t there be 3 medics? | ||
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On November 24 2011 13:02 bumatlarge wrote: Lynching townies is not bad if it in no way inhibits us from winnign the game. The only reason lynching townies is bad is in normal formats, that is one less town KP being used on scum. The only thing that could really hurt us lynching those players is if we are dead wrong and only 0-1 of them are scum, or Zona's warning kills townies, which I think it does not. I think it does not. I initially thought to myself that perhaps the amount of people we lynch gives mafia that much KP, but three people died yesterday, and unless it's cumulative (which I don't see how that could be fair, unless we actually had about 5 doctors,) so I've ruled it out. I believe it could do anything short of actually killing people. I don´t like what you are saying, bum. We really can´t mess up another day, because we need Townies around to win. A few more dead isn´t just less time until Scum win, it also makes it that much harder to lynch more Scum, because as their fraction of the total votes grow, they will have a much easier time controlling the lynch. And with your proposed lynches Scum WILL grow stronger. Of your proposed 7 lynches, I see one Town, 4 who are most likely Town, and 2 who are moderately scummy. Even if you do convince Town to lynch all 7, and nail as much as 2 scum with those votes, which is unlikely, 3 nightkills later we are at 6 Town and 3 Scum, and I don´t see us winning that situation. It might even be over immediately, if lynching 7 people somehow give Scum some more KP. With all this, you are still saying DCL or Palmar is lying, while we in fact don´t know anything about the setup, it´s all speculation. Mafia KP could be dependant on total votes rather than people lynched, it could be changing over time, some game have it set by surviving scum, but it could just as well be set by some other factor, perhaps following a schedule of KP for each day, or Scum KP is 2 but gets an extra KP for each 3 lynches that are performed. Even the Medics could work in strange ways, perhaps they can´t protect anyone voting for them, or they have limited protects, or only protect every other night. You don´t consider that 3 full doctors could work in a scenario with 2 KP, because it can still be beaten by scum if they double up the kills, the doctors are probably spreading the protects, and they can´t know who scum are targeting. If a scenario with 3 doctors could be balanced, if there can be hidden mechanics with mafia KP, and even Medic protects, and you have no idea HOW it all works, how can you say for sure that either DCL or Palmar must lie? They could just as well both be telling the truth, we really don´t know, and speculation doesn´t get us very far in this case. I don´t like how you are reasoning and what you are proposing. I would consider if your tactic weren´t so likely to give the game to Scum right now, but that´s what I think would happen. Today we need to kill a few, and we need to hit at least one Scum, that´s how we win. We don´t hit many in order to kill a few Scum, because then we won´t survive tomorrow even if we do find one of them. | ||
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I think Nisani201 is Town. Day 1: Nisani201 (6): bumatlarge, wherebugsgo, Palmar, Drazerk, GreYMisT, sinani206 Day 2: Nisani201 (9): Drazerk, wherebugsgo, Day 3: (current votes) Nisani201 (8): wherebugsgo, RebirthOfLeGenD, Number of times a player has voted on Nisani201 bumatlarge (3) wherebugsgo (3) Palmar (2) Drazerk (2) GreYMisT (2) DCLXVI (2) Lemonwalrus (1) xsksc (1) RebirthOfLeGenD (1) MrZentor (1) Tyrran (1) Coagulation (1) sinani206 (1) Cyber_Cheese (2-1=1) Lanaia (1-0=1) | ||
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Including D3 votes when considering N2 kills might not make much sense, so below is the list for only D1 and D2. Day 1: Nisani201 (6): bumatlarge, wherebugsgo, Palmar, Drazerk, GreYMisT, sinani206 Day 2: Nisani201 (9): Drazerk, wherebugsgo, Number of times a player has voted on Nisani201 bumatlarge (2) wherebugsgo (2) Palmar (1) Drazerk (2) GreYMisT (2) DCLXVI (1) Lemonwalrus (1) xsksc (1) sinani206 (1) Cyber_Cheese (2-1=1) Lanaia (2-1=1) | ||
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On November 25 2011 01:20 xsksc wrote: Doesn't nisani have 10 votes now forumite? You are right, I appear to have done a prplhz. I saw the votes in the thread, but forgot to update the zbot summary, and so didn´t know he had allready been lynched. | ||
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