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HarbingerOfDoom
Profile Joined December 2010
United States508 Posts
November 16 2011 23:56 GMT
#695
Once somebody is hammered, are they allowed to continue to post until the end of the day? Also, are they still counted toward the player total for reaching a majority, and can they still vote on lynches?
HarbingerOfDoom
Profile Joined December 2010
United States508 Posts
November 17 2011 00:17 GMT
#733
Well, it certainly didn't take long to go from my warning against hammering to somebody hammering -_-
HarbingerOfDoom
Profile Joined December 2010
United States508 Posts
November 17 2011 00:25 GMT
#750
@Cyber_Cheese
On November 17 2011 08:55 Nisani201 wrote:
Just read through the thread. A lot of shit is going down.

But most of it is irrelevant. Kenpachi is not irrelevant. He should die.

##Vote: Kenpachi

Vote #13
HarbingerOfDoom
Profile Joined December 2010
United States508 Posts
November 17 2011 00:51 GMT
#786
@Cyber_Cheese
I'm going to keep a vote on Chaoser, it'll take something short of a miracle to convince me that random voting wasn't just him putting suspicion everywhere and muddying the waters to make the place more anti-town.

You've voted for 5 different people so far, and are still voting for 3 of them. Palmar is voting for 5 people currently. Chaoser has voted for 5 different people so far, and is still voting for 4 of them.
The only difference I see is that you and Palmar are mostly on the bandwagons while Chaoser's votes are more fringe votes. However, you were also the first and only vote to go on prplhz and the second vote, after only Palmar, to vote on Coag, so even you have cast some votes to the fringe. Why is his voting muddying the waters, and your's and Palmar's not?
HarbingerOfDoom
Profile Joined December 2010
United States508 Posts
November 17 2011 00:55 GMT
#792
On November 17 2011 09:53 chaoser wrote:
Show nested quote +
On November 17 2011 09:51 Palmar wrote:
I know you lied when you claimed.

You are not vanilla town, that is not a possibility. If you were a blue, you'd probably have claimed by now, that leaves scum.


Let's bet. If I'm vanilla townie you have to sing me a song and post it in the forum. If I'm not I'll do it. Want to take it?

- Do not make promises or bets that extend beyond the scope of the game.
HarbingerOfDoom
Profile Joined December 2010
United States508 Posts
November 17 2011 00:56 GMT
#793
On November 17 2011 09:55 HarbingerOfDoom wrote:
Show nested quote +
On November 17 2011 09:53 chaoser wrote:
On November 17 2011 09:51 Palmar wrote:
I know you lied when you claimed.

You are not vanilla town, that is not a possibility. If you were a blue, you'd probably have claimed by now, that leaves scum.


Let's bet. If I'm vanilla townie you have to sing me a song and post it in the forum. If I'm not I'll do it. Want to take it?

- Do not make promises or bets that extend beyond the scope of the game.

EBWOP: ninja'd by chaoser already
HarbingerOfDoom
Profile Joined December 2010
United States508 Posts
November 17 2011 01:15 GMT
#811
On November 17 2011 10:12 Lemonwalrus wrote:
Look at the last few pages for the reasoning, bumatlarge was a major point of discussion in most of my recent posts. This will at least put pressure on him to post. And even in the 'reasoning please?' post I go on to say that I've been thinking about voting that way for a while now.

...I just looked, I'm not seeing it. Quote it please?
HarbingerOfDoom
Profile Joined December 2010
United States508 Posts
November 17 2011 22:07 GMT
#950
On November 17 2011 10:20 Palmar wrote:
Show nested quote +
On November 17 2011 10:14 chaoser wrote:
On November 17 2011 10:09 Palmar wrote:
I'm gonna sleep.

Chaoser: why did you throw those votes around so liberally early on? Please explain your thought process and what you wanted to achieve. If I believe your answer I'll consider laying off you.


I already did? Go read my exchange with WBG. Pressure on you from people and all of a sudden you're willing to back off when before you were deadset on it?


I'm rolefishing you.

Thing is, I think you happen to have one of those roles mentioned by Zona that are somehow connected with how votes are casted, I think that would actually explain your liberal voting early on. This is the reason I believe you're lying about being vanilla townie, but since you claimed that and stand by it, it's making me believe you're scum.

Because you're not bad at mafia, you know that senseless throwing votes around is generally not a good strategy, you are probably fully aware of this. This is why I wanted so badly for you to explain your rash voting pattern this game.

Like, I'm trying in my mind to put together your play and just a random vanilla town. And I'm sorry to say I can't actually find any reasonable explanation to your early voting that stems from just you reading the thread with a townie mindset.

Alright, so I just can't wrap my head around this. Palmar thinks Chaoser is a scum power role related to voting...and then he spends most of the day with his vote on 5 different people? Palmar, I would be quite interested in hearing how your votes made sense along with your worries about Chaoser's role.


Chaoser
To whoever it was that asked what everyone's current position on the Chaoser case is...I think he looks more like a town that was trying to aggressively force reactions early than scum trying to disrupt the thread. Also, to Cyber, Palmar, and WBG, you seem to all be pushing the Chaoser lynch pretty hard and have been for awhile. Now, if you assume he is scum and that no scum will vote for him, that means the 3 of you have convinced only 2 of the remaining 18 townies. I'd suggest either trying to put together a better/more coherent argument, or allow us to look at some of the other current vote getters rather than hammering the same points that don't seem to be convincing much of anyone.

Drazerk
That being said, I'd like Drazerk to be lynched today. A quick look at his filter should make it apparent why.
http://www.teamliquid.net/forum/viewmessage.php?topic_id=282366&user=107918
His best defense seems to be that he plays anti-town whether or not he is actually scum...which I don't see how that is a defense at all. He also seems to be claiming lynch proof, and I am certainly willing to test that claim.
Unlike you I will never be lynched though
Probably because I am not scum and will never be lynched even if they try

LSB
It has been mentioned a few times, but I think LSB also deserves a closer look and some more pressure. He starts off making tons of policy related posts, especially about going after lurkers, and then has two short non-policy posts:
+ Show Spoiler +
On November 16 2011 12:45 LSB wrote:
Show nested quote +
On November 16 2011 09:46 wherebugsgo wrote:
Chaoser


filter link: http://www.teamliquid.net/forum/viewmessage.php?topic_id=282366&user=41788&user=41788

Chaoser right now is all over the place. He is not fostering positive discussion. He just OMGUSed sinani, he is pushing three different people right now, and he is using very little reasoning for all of those votes.

Chaoser if you are town, you need to slow down and focus on one person so that your posts are more coherent and readable, or you need to provide more information about your vote targets. Right now you're being incredibly distracting, particularly as people have to keep asking you why you're voting the people you are voting. This OMGUS on sinani, for example:

You are saying that Chaoser is scum because he doesn't tunnel and doesn't play like you?
hmm...

Show nested quote +
On November 16 2011 09:15 chaoser wrote:
On November 16 2011 09:07 sinani206 wrote:
On November 16 2011 09:06 Drazerk wrote:
On November 16 2011 09:03 sinani206 wrote:
wtf

##Vote: chaoser


Your not going to lurk the first day, come out of no where and then vote chaoser without reason.

FoS sinani206



His posts this game are nothing like what I've seem out of him before and even if I hadn't played with him before, the posts are straight up scummy.


1) Deal with my posts being different. This use of "your posts are different" meta is so stupid I'd gladly post completely differently every single game to kill it. Can't tell if you're mafia or stupid >_>

Also while the manner in which I post is different, the reasoning behind my posts isn't, (XXXIX)

2) How are my posts "straight up scummy?"

##Vote: Sinani206

I'm so happy I get to vote multiple people


If you can't tell if he's scum or dumb, why did you vote him? It makes no sense using your very own logic. If you can't tell someone's alignment, why would you vote them?

Then, your attacks on Zephirrd are really bad too. He's a new player, and most of what he's saying makes sense. That's better than a lot of other new players. You even admit to making cases "out of nothing" as an attempt to create reactions from other players. That's not a good way to play town and you know it. You should be posting a case on someone after you have subtly pushed them for a while, instead of voting them the instant you think they've said something scummy. That's not reliable.

Wait, what's so bad about this attack http://www.teamliquid.net/forum/viewmessage.php?topic_id=282366&currentpage=18#348? Or the other attacks, I'm having difficulty following your generalizations right now

+ Show Spoiler +
On November 17 2011 13:54 LSB wrote:
Sorry guys I'm sick and sleep deprived and I have so much to do.

But a quick glance through. Before we lynch Lanaia, we should at least see how Kenpachi fllps. A lot of analysis has been "Kenpachi is scum so Lanaia is scum", yet we don't know 100% if Kenpachi is scum

##Vote: sinani206
Since in reality he hasn't said anything besides "xxx is obvscum"

The first one he soft defends chaoser and attacks WBG's reasoning, and the second he pops in, votes for somebody being a useless lurker, and leaves again. He has yet to post since then. So, unless he starts actually doing some scum hunting, I see no reason to believe he isn't scum.

##Vote: LSB

I am also fine with sinani206 getting lynched and would be willing to vote him if it is deemed necessary, but I'd rather have Drazerk lynched today, and I don't really want to mess around with placing tons of votes or having tons of lynches, so I will not vote him for now.
HarbingerOfDoom
Profile Joined December 2010
United States508 Posts
November 17 2011 22:14 GMT
#955
On November 18 2011 07:03 DCLXVI wrote:
Show nested quote +
On November 18 2011 06:55 Kenpachi wrote:
what my flip does: It softconfirms Lanaia. that is all

well I think that I will know a lot about chaoser when you flip

Chaoser defended Kenpachi, Kenpachi did not defend Chaoser.

Either town or scum could defend Kenpachi. Scum defending a town they think will get lynched anyway is a way to try to gain free town cred. If they don't get lynched, you can always have a scum-buddy bring them up later to divert attention if needed, as people were suspicious before, and likely still are. A townie could just think that lynching him was a poor idea because they didn't read them as being scum. I don't see how you will gain any knowledge of Chaoser from Kenpachi's flip. Care to elaborate?
HarbingerOfDoom
Profile Joined December 2010
United States508 Posts
November 17 2011 22:17 GMT
#958
On November 18 2011 07:09 sinani206 wrote:
Show nested quote +
On November 17 2011 09:13 Lanaia wrote:
As I write this, I am currently reading page 32 but I felt explanation has priority over my reading at this moment in time.


I was most definitely aware it would show my anti-vote when I submitted it.


On November 17 2011 06:56 Drazerk wrote:
On November 17 2011 06:54 Lanaia wrote:
Greymist: Yes, I do. From what I've seen of his town play in the past, I felt he was town. If I'm wrong, I'm sorry. I have to go right now, but as soon as I'm back from class (around 4 pm PST, it's nearly two now) I will try to explain more.


I got the null void that I always get from kenpachi what exactly led you to believing he was town?


He just felt more town to me than some of the other people in game.I felt trying to save someone I'd thought was town was a good idea, at least at that point in time.

On November 17 2011 06:58 Drazerk wrote:
Lanaia one last question - Was you aware your anti vote would appear in the vote list?

I knew it would appear in the votelist with my name attached, yes.


On November 17 2011 07:06 Zephirdd wrote:
Kenpachi is saying a lot and defending himself a lot, but isn't giving anything conclusive. I already voted him to "pressure" him to give a good reasoning/analysis on the game(similar to Palmar's), but it's no use. The vote stands, and won't go back.

That said, I'd like to know Lanaia's reasoning for the anti-vote, and WHY to take it back right now. I believe you had a good reasoning for Kenpachi to be town this game, and I want to know it. I also believe you were not aware that the Anti-Vote would show your name. However, why take it back? Why not just explain yourself later on(when you have the time), and convince people that Kenpachi is actually town? Why just let him die like that, are you trying to remove any "connections" people made between you and him? Or did you actually change your mind and are trying to actually lynch him? (Or are you Mafia trying to save your ass by team-killing?)

It just feels scummy imo.
##Vote: Lanaia

I took it back because people got all pissy at me. And people getting pissy at me frustrates me. I've already said I'm terrible at convincing people. And if I were trying to lynch him, I'd have a vote on him, no? And no, I am not mafia trying to save my ass because that would not be the best way to go about it.

I was most definitely aware it would show my anti-vote when I submitted it.

I don't care if you don't believe me.

Now I am going to finish reading the game.

Show nested quote +
On November 17 2011 09:21 Lanaia wrote:
OH, And for the record, I didn't remove it until it was evident everyone had seen it and I'd clearly done something effing stupid. I'm sorry.

Oh, and I didn't consult with town because that would essentially mean a full role claim d1- not something I wanted to do.

CLEARLY I SCREWED SOMETHING UP.





LaLaLaLaLaLaLaLaLaLaLaLaLaLaLaLaLaLaLaLaLaLaLaLaLaLaLaLaLaLaLaLaLaLaLaLaLaLaLaLaLaLaLaLaLaLaL

Do you know the full extent/limitations of Lanaia's role? How did she full role claim by anti-voting Kenpachi? We still don't know if she can double vote, how many times it can be used, etc etc.
HarbingerOfDoom
Profile Joined December 2010
United States508 Posts
November 17 2011 22:21 GMT
#961
On November 18 2011 07:16 sinani206 wrote:
neither defended each other


Yawn, if you guys really think kenpachi is a better lynch than sinani in regards to people trolling/lurking in the game then that's just sad.
I don't mind getting lynched, but I'd rather kenpachi doesn't.
On November 17 2011 07:54 chaoser wrote:
Show nested quote +
On November 17 2011 07:52 Palmar wrote:
I don't think Kenpachi will be missed anyway, he's completely useless as either side.


He has never missed a vigi shot

So please explain how that isn't Chaoser defending Kenpachi. If it is him defending Kenpachi, should you be lynched under LaL?
HarbingerOfDoom
Profile Joined December 2010
United States508 Posts
November 17 2011 23:10 GMT
#978
On November 18 2011 08:03 Palmar wrote:
Insanity laughs under pressure we're cracking
Can't we give ourselves one more chance
Why can't we give love that one more chance
Why can't we give love give love give love give love
give love give love give love give love give love
'Cause love's such an old fashioned word
And love dares you to care for
The people on the edge of the night
And loves dares you to change our way of
Caring about ourselves
This is our last dance
This is our last dance
This is ourselves
Under pressure

##Vote Bumatlarge
##Vote Nisani201
##Vote chaoser
##Vote Lemonwalrus

##Unvote Drazerk
##Unvote Coagulation

Is concerned Chaoser has a vote-triggered ability. Votes for more people than anyone else. Makes perfect sense.
HarbingerOfDoom
Profile Joined December 2010
United States508 Posts
November 17 2011 23:14 GMT
#980
On November 18 2011 08:10 HarbingerOfDoom wrote:
Show nested quote +
On November 18 2011 08:03 Palmar wrote:
Insanity laughs under pressure we're cracking
Can't we give ourselves one more chance
Why can't we give love that one more chance
Why can't we give love give love give love give love
give love give love give love give love give love
'Cause love's such an old fashioned word
And love dares you to care for
The people on the edge of the night
And loves dares you to change our way of
Caring about ourselves
This is our last dance
This is our last dance
This is ourselves
Under pressure

##Vote Bumatlarge
##Vote Nisani201
##Vote chaoser
##Vote Lemonwalrus

##Unvote Drazerk
##Unvote Coagulation

Is concerned Chaoser has a vote-triggered ability. Votes for more people than anyone else. Makes perfect sense.

EBWOP: Alright, so now Forumite has passed you in voting. You're only second. Same difference.
HarbingerOfDoom
Profile Joined December 2010
United States508 Posts
November 17 2011 23:27 GMT
#986
On November 18 2011 08:24 hyshes wrote:
Ok, as so many people have suggested.. i've filtered drzazerk. Where do you guys get that Drazerk is claiming a lynchproof role?... Drazerk is saying he won't be lynched that doesn't state that he is unlynchable in which he would of just said he can't be lynched. I don't see him being as a power role just being an arogant dick

Show nested quote +
On November 17 2011 09:11 Drazerk wrote:
On November 17 2011 09:10 Kenpachi wrote:
On November 17 2011 09:08 Cyber_Cheese wrote:
On November 17 2011 08:58 Kenpachi wrote:
On November 17 2011 08:49 Kenpachi wrote:
ill claim when we hit 12!1!11!!!

now that i proved that you guys are indeed retards, i have no regrets.
implies i have a role

On November 17 2011 08:59 Kenpachi wrote:
didnt want to. im against claiming

On November 15 2011 13:29 Kenpachi wrote:
real long day ok.
hi i am Kenpachi and i am a Townie
welcome to TL mafia to those who are just starting and i hope you have a good time here.

That is two lies in a game where we should be lynching all liars.
##Unvote: Coagulation
##Vote: Kenpachi
Typing ## and : is a pain.

Kk you suck.

Scumteam:
Hiroruby
Drazerk
Cyber_Cheese


Unlike you I will never be lynched though


http://www.teamliquid.net/forum/viewmessage.php?topic_id=282366&currentpage=45#899

That one as well.
HarbingerOfDoom
Profile Joined December 2010
United States508 Posts
November 17 2011 23:37 GMT
#997
On November 18 2011 08:29 wherebugsgo wrote:
Drazerk will make a better lynch tomorrow, once we see these flips.

Today, chaoser, nisani, and bum need to die. If any of those flip town then we need to heavily reconsider Drazerk+Coag.

So you think we should lynch 4 people today, given that Kenpachi was already lynched?
HarbingerOfDoom
Profile Joined December 2010
United States508 Posts
November 18 2011 01:44 GMT
#1063
I am also fine with sinani206 getting lynched and would be willing to vote him if it is deemed necessary, but I'd rather have Drazerk lynched today, and I don't really want to mess around with placing tons of votes or having tons of lynches, so I will not vote him for now.

##Unvote: LSB
##Vote: sinani206
HarbingerOfDoom
Profile Joined December 2010
United States508 Posts
November 18 2011 07:03 GMT
#1127
Started re-reading the thread, only had time to get to ~page 35, but I figured I'd leave my thoughts so far before I go for now. Upon re-reading I think Lemonwalrus and Cyber_Cheese need a closer looking at, and would encourage everyone to do so.

I still don't like Drazerk, and he seems dead-set on convincing us he will be useless whether he is town or scum. Not sure how much effort should be spent on him, but I'd like him to end up dead sooner rather than later.
I also don't like the looks of LSB too much, but he is currently exceeding 24 hours without posting, so I don't see the point of pursuing something there unless he comes back before getting mod-killed.

Regarding Nisani, this is the only post of his I really dislike:
Just read through the thread. A lot of shit is going down.

But most of it is irrelevant. Kenpachi is not irrelevant. He should die.

##Vote: Kenpachi
Other than that I don't see anything that makes me want to get my pitchfork out.

I am undecided on WBG, Chaoser, and Palmar as of right now, but would not be surprised if one of the three is scum. However, I would be surprised if more than one of them is.
HarbingerOfDoom
Profile Joined December 2010
United States508 Posts
November 18 2011 21:43 GMT
#1260
Palmar and WBG: You both think it is fine if Drazerk gets vigged, but you both unvoted him and we came so close to getting him lynched yesterday. Please explain why you didn't want him lynched, but are fine with him being shot.

Palmar, WBG, and Chaoser: Please stop shitting all over the thread with your shouting matches.
HarbingerOfDoom
Profile Joined December 2010
United States508 Posts
November 18 2011 21:49 GMT
#1263
On November 19 2011 00:33 xsksc wrote:
Show nested quote +
On November 19 2011 00:24 Palmar wrote:
On November 19 2011 00:23 xsksc wrote:
Well Palmar, here's my thoughts.

I think the Kenpachi/Sinani lynches were silly. The only real scum read I have right now is on Drazerk. I'm not sure about Chaoser, I don't know his meta so it's harder for me to form an opinion on his town play. There are a couple of others I'm undecided on.

People I think are town :

wherebugsgo
palmar
risk.nuke
harbingerofdoom
lanaia
forumite

People I think are scum/I'm suspicious of :

prphlz
chaoser
drazerk
lemonwalrus

That's my current opinions, I have nothing solid to go on with chaoser/prphlz/lemon though.

Also, I'm really surprised I made it onto your vig list. I actually made a case on someone and stuck with it, I didn't join those ridiculous bandwagons that got two of our blues killed day 1.



well, to be fair, maybe it's just best if vigis hold their shots.

I can relate to your list though I don't agree with all the reads (pending re-reading I'd say harbringer could be scum, and prplhz could be town).



The reason HoD is on my town list is because he voted drazerk before most people. I'm reasonably confident that drazerk is scum, which would make HoD almost confirmed townie to me. And yeah the prphlz thing is really just a feeling at the moment, I don't have anything solid on him.

While I am flattered you're so sure of me, don't be that trusting so easily. We don't even know Drazerk's alignment for sure yet. For all you know I could be scum that found an easy wagon and hopped on early.
HarbingerOfDoom
Profile Joined December 2010
United States508 Posts
November 18 2011 21:52 GMT
#1265
On November 19 2011 06:49 wherebugsgo wrote:
Show nested quote +
On November 19 2011 06:34 chaoser wrote:
really? you were pretty fucking scared of me in Team Melee Mafia. You even stated it.

although I have to say, I was scared shitless whenever I got into an argument with sandro or chaoser. They had me pegged and all I could do was argue over and over to try and get them lynched. I'm still surprised I was able to get sandro lynched, tbh. He's incredibly good as town (and all the rest of you townies, shame on you for not rereading the thread when he died)


Hey, wait a minute...that kinda sounds like what you're trying to do right now...=]


no, actually, I'm just tired of dealing with you right now.

And tbh in TMM why do you think I pushed sandro's lynch over yours when I saw you suspected him? He was a much bigger threat than you, because you were dumb and thought he was scum. I knew I could get a mislynch on one of you but I had to play correctly in order to do it. Once I found out you were the doctor I continued my push but switched to sandro because I knew you were dumb enough to follow me.

Show nested quote +
On November 19 2011 06:38 chaoser wrote:
On November 19 2011 06:32 wherebugsgo wrote:
On November 19 2011 06:31 chaoser wrote:
On November 19 2011 06:29 wherebugsgo wrote:
On November 19 2011 06:26 chaoser wrote:
Yeah except you weren't playing as town when you shot Radfield, did you? Why didn't the actual town vigilantes, like sandroba, shoot Radfield?


Sandroba was busy making our claimed medic Motivation so that he could save twice later on. I shot Radfield because I thought he was the most scummy and I needed the game to be longer since I needed to find the ring. It either case I shot mafia. In XXXIX, as soon as we were 90% someone was mafia, Kenpachi made the shot as vigi.


Who cares? This game is not the same, we don't even know if we have vigilantes.

The fact that you're so concerned about this relatively irrelevant specific piece of information makes you look so mind-bogglingly dense that I honestly wouldn't mind if a vig shot you right now, since it's clear that you aren't town.


So if this game isn't the same why did you try to use another game in the first place that wasn't the same to try to justify Palmar's "check chaoser, don't shoot him, he's mafia" logic?


says the guy who keeps naming other games in order to try and back up his own (lack of) logic.



In those cases the logic from the other game translated to the situation at hand cause I actually remember those situation and how they played out. See, unlike you, I have a bit more of an encyclopedia mindset of mafia games seeing as how I worked on part of the library =]


Right. At no point did what you say have actual relevance to the game at hand.


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On November 19 2011 06:39 DCLXVI wrote:
On November 19 2011 05:43 wherebugsgo wrote:
While we're all here twiddling thumbs and throwing around lists of people who we think are scum/town, let's analyze this Palmar/chaoser business, shall we?

.......................................



On November 19 2011 00:15 chaoser wrote:
Oh and also:

Thing is, he's throwing around one-liners. Drazerk generally at least tries to look town when he's town, but maybe this is the latest development in town play, a lot of players (myself, for example) get a bit cocky once they're over their newbie phase.

However, we know Drazerk isn't dumb. The only attack he's actually made in the game is against a newbie, which is a safe attack (attacking a veteran as scum is risky, cause they will call you out), and he wasn't completely convinced by my case on chaoser.


On November 17 2011 07:56 Palmar wrote:
I forgot Drazerk, will do now


(He never does until he's asked about it again...a day later)

On November 17 2011 23:29 Palmar wrote:
On November 17 2011 23:24 xsksc wrote:
Palmar, what are your thoughts on Drazerk?
While I agree that Chaos would be a decent lynch, I see Drazerk as way more suspicious at the moment and I'd rather lynch him.


Drazerk has done some extremely bad things this game, the most hilarious of all was when he went through his own games go convince us he's bad at this.

I mean... I have no words, his actual defense is that he is terrible at mafia? I would be fine with lynching Drazerk or even Bumatlarge. I just want another lynch outside of Kenpachi, and I have been convinced that Lanaia should be left alive for now, mostly by risk.nuke and tyrren whom I both consider town.

I don't have time right now to build a case against Drazerk, and because I only think we should lynch one person outside of Kenpachi today, my attention is completely on chaoser, whom I consider very likely to be scum at the moment.

We need a single lynch for today based on analysis. We've already achieved a Kenpachi lynch, and we're ruling out Lanaia for now. I think this lynch should be chaoser, but I encourage people to make a case for someone else.


(He still doesn't do it)

##Unvote Drazerk
##Unvote Coagulation


(Unvotes the guy?)

If we have vigilantes they should be focusing on people who are hellbent on being useless and scummy to boot.

Nisani201
Drazerk
xskxc


(But then wants to shoot him?)

Click your own filter, you have 1 post that consists of more than 5-ish lines, and even that has very little information. Your primary responsibility as town is to establish your innocence and being transparent, with almost nothing to go on except you chasing after Drazerk you look pretty bad.

In fact, the fact that you question it so genuinely is probably the most townie thing you've done the entire game. That doesn't change the fact that while we are aware you want to lynch Drazerk, you haven't done much to share any of your other reads.


(Then bitches at xskxc for "only going after Drazerk" when he himself has predominately only gone after me?)

I is confused


What?

Most of this post doesn't make sense because chaoser says Palmar kept forgetting to comment on Drazerk, although all of the quotes contain analysis of Drazerk...

I think the "I is confused" line should be used by anyone reading chaoser's post, which is ironic.

Chasing only Drazerk is scummy because there are dozens of other things that happened yesterday. Myself and Palmar posted a case on chaoser, the Lanaia/kenpachi business blew up, Coag voted an already-hammered person, sinani was taking votes for no apparent reason, and LSB was active at the beginning only to competely disappear later.

Saying that Palmar only went after him is another mischaracterization, since he responded to the other things that were going on yesterday and was rather transparent with other players. Unlike, of course, chaoser.


"All of the quotes contain analysis of Drazerk"? Are you deliberately lying in hope that no one will read all of this, or do you honestly believe that what Palmar said constitutes as analysis? To me analysis is detailed reasoning backed up with direct quotations, not "he is playing badly" or "he is useless and scummy"

I am also not sure where you got this: (wbg)
Saying that Palmar only went after [chaoser] is another mischaracterization


out of this: (palmar)
We need a single lynch for today based on analysis. We've already achieved a Kenpachi lynch, and we're ruling out Lanaia for now. I think this lynch should be chaoser, but I encourage people to make a case for someone else.


Of course it was.

If you actually think chaoser is pushing a good case then you should ask yourself why he voted sinani.

Did chaoser analyze sinani like Palmar and I did? Nope.

Did chaoser provide reasons for his votes like Palmar and I did? Nope.

So what are you arguing again? That Palmar didn't analyze Drazerk? Stop being thick. If this isn't reasoning, I don't know what is:

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On November 17 2011 00:54 Palmar wrote:
Thing is, he's throwing around one-liners. Drazerk generally at least tries to look town when he's town, but maybe this is the latest development in town play, a lot of players (myself, for example) get a bit cocky once they're over their newbie phase.

However, we know Drazerk isn't dumb. The only attack he's actually made in the game is against a newbie, which is a safe attack (attacking a veteran as scum is risky, cause they will call you out), and he wasn't completely convinced by my case on chaoser.

I haven't seen such an easy day 1 lynch in a long time, probably since I gave myself away in XLV by incorrectly quoting a pm.

the chaoser lynch is only sensible.


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On November 17 2011 02:13 Palmar wrote:
On November 17 2011 01:54 Drazerk wrote:
On November 17 2011 00:54 Palmar wrote:
Drazerk generally at least tries to look town when he's town


Erm wait a second...

XL - Only reason I didn't get lynched was because I spammed the thread with martyr posts

SNMM4 - Read above but a lot worse

WaW2 - LOL

AA - Bad tunnel at wiggles proceeding by telling the SK that I am the medic proceeded to acting retarded

Ressurection - Lurk day 1 - shot day 1 - resed by scum and everyone realizes it because I was looking so scummy

XL3 - Active lurked into acting scummy to get the whole scum team in a single post

LOTR - Saved the scum from a vigilante, proceeded to defend his third party claim, ROLE CLAIMED MEDIC TO SAVE SCUM, and proceeding to get role blocked / shot while spreading confusion through out the day. Hell If scum had kept me alive I would of protected Kita and let them win.

Not sure what Drazerk your talking about to be honest because it's not me


Are you actually defending yourself by claiming bad?

How does that benefit town?


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On November 17 2011 23:29 Palmar wrote:
On November 17 2011 23:24 xsksc wrote:
Palmar, what are your thoughts on Drazerk?
While I agree that Chaos would be a decent lynch, I see Drazerk as way more suspicious at the moment and I'd rather lynch him.


Drazerk has done some extremely bad things this game, the most hilarious of all was when he went through his own games go convince us he's bad at this.

I mean... I have no words, his actual defense is that he is terrible at mafia? I would be fine with lynching Drazerk or even Bumatlarge.


You don't need to break down a person quote by quote to call it analysis.

This is why I want people to read the thread, because it is clear by some of your responses that you are not doing so.

And yet, oddly enough, Palmar took his vote off Drazerk.
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