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I'm suspicious of Crofty at the moment. I want to hear what he has to say for himself. ##Vote TEAM LIQUID | ||
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On November 03 2011 08:21 wherebugsgo wrote: If town starts succumbing to inactivity (as is the norm lately) I'll be rather pissed. *wink wink* *nudge nudge* | ||
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On November 03 2011 09:22 prplhz wrote: thats easy to say what u want to talk about then if not about hyshes who talks about bad plans that can not be implemented anyway just to appear to be clever http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Punctuation | ||
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On November 03 2011 09:48 GMarshal wrote: Hey! I know namecalling is *hilarious*, but its not conducive to finding scum, so please focus on that instead. Oh and prplhz is scum, he is deliberately derailing the town. ##Vote: TEAM VIKING Could you elaborate? | ||
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On November 03 2011 09:56 GMarshal wrote: Filter him. His grammar and spelling is annoying and he's pushing nonesense that doesn't further finding scum. Could you provide specific examples where he is deliberately derailing town? On November 03 2011 09:55 iGrok wrote: I did post yet. I've been talking with my partner so far. You know me, all I ever do is lurk the first half of D1. I'll break this wide open end of D1 or N1, don't worry Trying to draw another day one medic protect by lurking?  What have you been talking with your partner about? | ||
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On November 03 2011 10:03 kitaman27 wrote: Could you provide specific examples where he is deliberately derailing town? @GM. Reposting this. | ||
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On November 03 2011 21:40 GMarshal wrote: Once again, why are we discussing the interactions inside the team? How does this help us locate scum or do anything of relevance? How does this lead to meaningful discussion? Seems relavent to me. I'm pretty sure he is trying to tell if the response was coached or not. On November 03 2011 21:40 GMarshal wrote: This is the derailment I'm talking about, he has all these posts about worthless things, that want to go off topic for no apparent reason. So are saying you think he is trying to promote a scum agenda by causing chaos or is he just spamming? | ||
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On November 03 2011 10:22 sandroba wrote: I have aditional thoughts on the setup which I'll save for discussion half way through the day. Was there a reason you wanted to wait rather than contribute now? Also, was there a reason you wanted us to know you were waiting? I'm also looking forward to hearing from Radfield. I still don't forgive him for his sneaky disappearance during Salem. Team Nipple, Team Switzerland and Team SS aren't pulling their weight yet. In a mini game where we only have 2 mislynches until we are at LYLO, we can't afford a slow start, especially with the threat of not being able to reach a majority. | ||
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On November 03 2011 23:31 supersoft wrote: team kitaredff your vote is still on gm right? you still keep that vote on him? I'm open to other suggestions, but Team Viking is not one of them at the moment. | ||
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On November 04 2011 02:43 GMarshal wrote: Truly this is a Kurumi plan. On November 04 2011 02:43 GMarshal wrote: your suggestion of no-lynching to "prolong the game" is retarded. On November 04 2011 03:40 GMarshal wrote: I can understand Kurumi pushing this anti-town idiocy Since when does town GM bully people around like this? | ||
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Mislynch 5v2 Mislynch 3v2 LYLO 7v2 No lynch 6v2 No lynch 5v2 Mislynch 3v2 LYLO Essentially we are trading 1 mislynch for 48 hours of disccusion, during which nobody is threatened because they know there won't be a lynch. The odds of hitting scum statistically are unfavorable every day. That doesn't mean you don't try. I will do my part to ensure we no lynch today, unless someone comes up if a more convincing case Or you could try to come up with a more convincing case yourself. We agree the prpl one is bad, how about the other 6 teams? | ||
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First the jailer has to block the correct shooter, then the jailer has to consider that a doctor could have prevented the shot or that the mafia decided not to shoot, then the jailer has to decide whether he roleblocked a mafia or protected a town, then the jailer has to sucessfully push his case in the thread. Parity cop has to survive to day three to be of any use. Assuming worse case scenario where we mislynch the first two days: There is a 1/9 chance he gets lynched day one. A 2/6 chance he gets discovered or shot night one. A 1/7 chance he gets lynched day two. A 1/3 chance he gets shot night two. Which is only about a 10% sucess rate (correct me if I made a mistake here). Going with a double no lynch increases the survival rate of the parity cop slightly, but it really doesn't seem worth giving up a lynch in exchange. | ||
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On November 04 2011 10:21 deconduo wrote: Prime scum team, probably worthy of a vote. I want to here what sandroba has to say first though, still haven't gotten in contact with him yet. Won't be able to until tomorrow either as I'm off to bed now. Oh prime scum team? Funny, you haven't pointed out anything that was actually scummy. At this point, I believe the scum team is contained in this set of players. Ideally I'd like to be able to narrow it down as more people start to post, but RoL, Kurumi, Crofty, iGrok, and Katzeleute all need to give us more to work with. 1. sandroba & Sevryn Deconduo - TEAM SS 3. Radfield & wherebugsgo - TEAM CHEZINU 4. Kurumi & RebirthOfLeGenD - TEAM NIPPLE 5. Crofty & Gmarshal - TEAM LIQUID 7. chaoser & hyshes - TEAM EDWARD 8. iGrok & Katzeleute - TEAM SWITZERLAND | ||
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On November 04 2011 11:08 wherebugsgo wrote: lol @ this, kita names 2/3 of the player base as being possible scum and then doesn't explain why he conveniently excludes Forumite+prpl and Greymist+super. They weren't convenient exclusions...I'm telling you guys which teams I wouldn't consider voting for at this point. We're trying to move towards a team we can agree to reach majority on, no? On November 04 2011 11:08 wherebugsgo wrote: I mean, really, what is your point? Why are prpl+forumite not possible scum? Or Grey+super? supersoft because he shows he cares who is lynched on day one. He is sharing his opinion and playing transparently. prpl because between all the one liners, he has a similar thought process as myself. The things he is questioning are things I also feel relevant. On November 04 2011 11:08 wherebugsgo wrote: For all we know, you could be scum. This "information" you provide is utterly useless. I'm providing my opinion. Use it however you wish. | ||
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On November 04 2011 11:10 sandroba wrote: I agree with you that supersoft is likely town, but I'm interested in your reasoning for forumite/prplhz. This particular post from forumite is pretty scummy to me: Not only he shows that he is not concerned about who we lynch today, but also shows a certainty that he will be around longer. Why exactly do you believe they are town kita? It also shows he is not concerned about playing safe. It supports the idea of a connection between two players, rather than a team of four. I'm not totally solid on the forumite half of the team, but there are others I'd rather see lynched day one. On November 04 2011 11:10 sandroba wrote: Also my post about no lynch (despite me agreeing with it) was a method to get reads from people. It's a controversial issue and I would expect a strong reaction from townies regarding that topic, but some consideration aswell. Some players raised good points most of which I agree with and some where impartial or aloof. Obviously I'm aware that I would become easy lynch bait for scum to pile on, but that doesn't bother me as I'm sure there are inteligent players here. Have those "good points" swayed your opinions to not aim for a mislynch? What conclusions have you come to based upon the responses? | ||
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On November 04 2011 03:40 GMarshal wrote: This is a wonderful post on two fronts: it seems pro-town as it looks to move away from a terrible topic of discussion, but doesn't offer an alternative. If kita wasn't on your radar yet, this post should have put him on there. Notice how he also doesn't come up with an opinion on the person proposing the plan, or propose another topic of discussion, he simply says "move on". This is a post that contributes without contributing, it shoots down a terrible plan, yes, but it does so with out adding anything to the discussion, or telling us anything about kita or those proposing the plan. On the contrary I'm trying to prevent "contributing without contributing". People were discussing an irrelevant plan that was impossible to carry out at this point in the game and I didn't like where discussion was headed. I'm not trying to label that as a "contribution". If you really want to look at a "contributing without contributing" post, just look at your reaper post that you started the game off with. On November 04 2011 03:40 GMarshal wrote: And then we reach the real gem, the post I was just *waiting* for, a post taking a null tell and spinning it to kita's advantage. The post in question is quoted below There are several things of note in this post, first is the fact that this fits kita's scum meta perfectly, he is going for the "low hanging fruit", finding something that is not in any way an indicator of alignment and spinning it as such. This is *exactly* what happened when kita "caught" redtooth lying about having smurfed in other mafia games in the past, he took a completely irrelevant piece of data and tried to spin it in such a way as to discredit and throw suspicion on a townie. Furthermore there is the lack of an actual case being built around this, if kita thinks I am scum (and this post seems to indicate that), why isn't he pushing for my lynch? Possibly because its not an easy lynch? You were mocking kurumi and calling his ideas retarded and idiotic. I didn't like that. Don't try to warp this as a scum agenda. On November 04 2011 03:40 GMarshal wrote: Also interesting is that he takes the least controversial position, supporting lynching, and only after two other people have decided to support it. Certainly not hogging the spotlight, that's for sure. Huh? I supported lynch because that was the correct decision. I saw a plan I didn't like and I argued against it. I'm not sure what you mean about only after two other people have decided to support it. I'm posting at the same time you are, not that its relavent. The math was setup discussion. I'm not claiming it as a sign that I'm town, I'm just sharing my opinion. On November 04 2011 03:40 GMarshal wrote: Dear god, this post. Lets he calls out lurkers, and posts that he thinks that 6/8 other people might be scum. Wow, what a wonderful contribution! How *useful*, especially when it includes such brilliant justifications. This is essentially kita publishing a list of two town reads, for no real reason, and lo and behold! Its another long, worthless post, that doesn't directly accuse anyone of being scum! It doesn't even point out why any of those might be scum. No townie with his head screwed on straight would post this. Kita is experienced enough to know that this is a terrible post, and I cannot ascribe any town motivation to writing it. Its a clear and blatant attempt at contributing without contributing. You're the third person to attempt to twist my post as scummy. We need to consolidate the lynch. I posted which teams I would be unwilling to vote for based upon my town reads. I'm confident that the 2 scum teams are within the 6 teams I listed. That was 24 hours into the game. You know well enough that day one is about searching for town. I'm sharing my opinion and attempting to push the lynch away from those I see in a good light. On November 04 2011 03:40 GMarshal wrote: Kitaman is scum, becuse he fails toreally contribute, instead hiding behind apparent contributions, this lines up with his scum meta. Kita is simply failing to push his usual town objectives and actively hunt scum, and is instead fostering suspicion and being unhelpful Here is what I've done so far: -The very first thing I did was random vote the newbie in an attempt to generate discussion and gauge a reaction. -I respond to you accusation of team viking that they are deliberately derailing town. You respond "look at their filter" and I continue to press you to provide a valid reason, which you ultimately drop. -I argue against the "no-lynch plan" because it doesn't benefit town. I argue against the "follow the blue" plan because it doesn't benefit town. -I push several players who promise to contribute later on to share their ideas. -I develop two town reads and share that I'm not willing to lynch them I'm at work at the moment, but during lunch I'll take another read of the thread. prp/forumite, what exactly is "good" about GM's case? | ||
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On November 05 2011 00:49 GMarshal wrote: Wow kita, you completely fail to address the majority of my points, while focusing on the nitpicking, great job! Nope, only the points that seemed relavent. If there is anything you want me to respond to, go ahead. Watch your tone mister.  On November 05 2011 00:49 GMarshal wrote: Yet you didn't offer another outlet for discussion, which is what I take issue with. Town kita would have given something else to work with, if just an accusation or a push against a player, you just said "lol, no" and left it at that, "lol, no, but...." is pro-town, "lol no." is anti-town. Don't muddle the issue. At that point I'm at work skimming the thread for 60 seconds between loading screens. My opening post already provided discussion topics: -Majority lynch, don't hammer. -No lynch isn't helpful -Offensive jailkeeper -Random vote You mimic'd my points with your L-2 discussion and no-lynch discussion. You accuse me as taking a "safe" stand only after 2 others have already commented on the issue, yet I'm the one who brought it up in the first place. On November 05 2011 00:49 GMarshal wrote: No, you made a veiled accusation calling me scum and didn't push on it. You weren't saying "gm, be nice" or anything like that, you were implying that I was scum. Without going out and saying it. That's also not town behavior, if you thought my meta indicated I wouldn't do that as town, you should have elaborated, if you wanted me to back off, you should have said it. Instead you go with a veiled accusation. That's called seeding suspicion. My vote was on you, I was questioning your posts, I was questioning why you are attacking peoples ideas as if you were Ace and I'm asking others their opinion about you. What makes you so sure that I'm not thinking you're scum? On November 05 2011 00:49 GMarshal wrote: As I said, scum love setup discussion. Its interesting that this is the only place you show a strong opinion Sounds familiar. With the exception of the recent case against myself, your main focus has been discussing the no-lynch as well. You call me out for yelling at lurkers, yet you yourself say: "As usual there is no excuse for lurking, don't do it and you won't have me lobbing for your lynch. Seriously, 2 players per team should mean a more than decent level of activity, you aren't going to get away with 2~3 posts per cycle unless they are an outstanding, wall of text, analytical set of three posts." On November 05 2011 00:49 GMarshal wrote: You know better than this. You never, ever post "I think this guy is town" or even imply it, as that makes them targets, instead you pick your top three scum candidates and push them. even if behind the scenes you are town hunting. You know this, you've played enough games. Huh? Do I really have to go back through all your games and point out all the times you've pointed someone out as town? You state your opinion as if its a fact. If I want to steer the lynch away from certain players, I'm going to say I think they are town. On November 05 2011 00:49 GMarshal wrote: You are scum. Sure as day. Quite confident based on less than 48 hours of information. Like I said, I'll reread the thread to look for a case for an alternate candidate. I'm openly sharing my opinions. Apparently that's scummy? | ||
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On November 05 2011 01:10 GMarshal wrote: I said "I don't think sandroba is scum" several times. Learn to read. Hey look, are you calling sandroba town? Didn't you just attack me saying that a town would never share a town read? And that I "should know better"? On November 05 2011 01:14 redFF wrote: you're fucking retarded. By which he means, you're voting for vote for awful reasons. I haven't discussed anything with red yet, but ignore the SS vote for now. If sandroba gave the "ok" on the case, I'd like to hear his opinion as well. | ||
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On November 05 2011 01:36 GreYMisT wrote: Kita, who is your lynch alternative for today? you have posted a list of people you think might be scum. Who among those is the scummiest in your eyes, and why? Discussing it with red at the moment. | ||
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We are claiming for the following reasons: The best case scenario at this point is a no-lynch with the afk prp/forumite vote and a tunneling GM. Even if we came up with a target like chaoser, he is obviously not going to vote for himself, nor is his scum buddy, so if we want to accomplish anything today, the claim is necessary. I'd rather give up our identity than throw away a lynch. We are claiming early enough in the day that there is still time to push a lynch. As for who that should be, we are still discussing that. We don't want Team Viking, which is what team chaoser seems to be pushing. As I mentioned before, without protection and a series of mislynches, the parity cop only has about a 10% sucess rate. If there is a 66% there is a protection role in the setup, which helps our chances of staying alive. On November 03 2011 07:30 kitaman27 wrote: I think the most important thing to probably consider As I mentioned in the ban thread earlier, its possible for blues to breadcrumb their roles with the first post, which is what I did. It's not absolute proof of the claim, but know that the claim was prepared from the start. What we can 100% confirm is that nobody else is the parity cop. | ||
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Because there is only one parity cop? | ||
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On November 05 2011 02:01 GMarshal wrote: You just claimed, so I'm done accusing you till I reevaluate Not a moment of questioning it? You're willing to buy the claim? For all you know, we could just be hoping that there isn't a PC. Or we could be trying to draw out the true parity cop. | ||
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On November 05 2011 02:15 wherebugsgo wrote: Yo team red21, who would you check tonight and tomorrow night? lol? None of your business. | ||
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Revealing our checks gives the mafia an indication of who to shoot. How is it relavent to town who we will check?That's not happening. | ||
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On November 05 2011 02:24 wherebugsgo wrote: Even if there is a PC and you aren't the real one, the real PC wouldn't counterclaim because that would out him to mafia! Wrong. The real PC would 100% claim because they just identified 50% of the scum team. I'm still not sure why you want us to reveal our future checks bugs. We haven't checked anyone yet. This is day 1. Revealing our checks gives additional information to the mafia. They know if shooting a certain person will get them in trouble due to a difference in parity. | ||
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On November 05 2011 04:48 redFF wrote: VIKING GOGO Not if TeamRed21 can help it! ##Unvote Viking | ||
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On November 05 2011 04:51 Crofty wrote: Say whaaaaaat? Your teambro wants it, and you don't? Explain please. Correct. I see their actions as poor, but not scummy. Red believes otherwise. Not sure which side we will end up. | ||
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On November 05 2011 07:05 chaoser wrote: It's probably cause people are use to 10 PM EST or 11 PM EST deadlines Europeans shouldn't be allowed to host. | ||
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5v2 night hit 5v2 no lynch 4v2 night hit LYLO 6v2 5v2 night hit 4v2 mislynch 3v2 night hit LYLO Unless there is a save a day 2 no lynch is equivalent to a mislynch. I'd rather shoot in the dark than not hang somebody. | ||
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On November 04 2011 22:14 RebirthOfLeGenD wrote: I have a class but will be home in a few hours and can post. On November 05 2011 02:41 RebirthOfLeGenD wrote: It shouldn't take me more than an hour or two to catch up depending on the spam content. | ||
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On November 04 2011 04:30 Radfield wrote: GMan, you don't get off that easy though. You built a case on Prp, then wibble-wobbled at the end of it. Your next post basically says the same thing: he might be scum, but he might not. Yet, you're vote remains squarely on Team Viking(Prp & Forumite). Do you think Team Viking is worthy of lynching right now? No, I don't, I fully admit my case was extremely weak, I was merely stirring up things to see how people reacted and try to get a better read on the situation. I voted for them with a relatively weak case because I felt like there was no real progress being made in the thread, and I wanted to open a new avenue of attack. [/QUOTE] GM, after your case on me and red fell through, you said you were going to "reevaluate things", yet you never returned to the thread. Earlier in the day you said Team Viking was not worthy of a lynch and that your case on them was "extremely weak", yet without any further explanation your team votes to lynch them. What happened to change your mind? | ||
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On November 04 2011 20:31 GMarshal wrote: [/QUOTE]No, I don't, I fully admit my case was extremely weak, I was merely stirring up things to see how people reacted and try to get a better read on the situation. I voted for them with a relatively weak case because I felt like there was no real progress being made in the thread, and I wanted to open a new avenue of attack. GM, after your case on me and red fell through, you said you were going to "reevaluate things", yet you never returned to the thread. Earlier in the day you said Team Viking was not worthy of a lynch and that your case on them was "extremely weak", yet without any further explanation your team votes to lynch them. What happened to change your mind? EBWOP | ||
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Sandroba, you haven't done anything to make me think you are town. You mentioned that your no lynch plan was an attempt to get reactions from people and that people made some very good points that you agreed with, yet at the end still advocates a no lynch. You said it was because we claimed as PC. Could you explain how that makes any sense at all? The only reason for a no lynch was to hide the identify of the PC. RoL, are you aware the game started? | ||
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On November 06 2011 11:25 GMarshal wrote: I didn't change my mind. My partner made a last minute call to avoid a no lynch, and I think it was a good call, I still don't think there was a good case on team viking, and would have rather lynched team edward out of the choices when the day ended yesterday. Still we avoided a no-lynch, which is crucial. You never mentioned edward in the thread? If he was your preferred lynch, was there a reason you didn't state so? Is he still your preferred lynch and if so, why is that? On November 06 2011 11:36 wherebugsgo wrote: Stop being dumb/thick and start reading the thread. It'll answer at least half your questions. Hmm? | ||
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On November 06 2011 11:52 wherebugsgo wrote: Second bolded part is a straight up lie. We didn't "casually" mention it. I was referring to Radfield's absence mainly. As for "casually" mentioning it, it just didn't see like there was much determination, but I'll drop it. On November 04 2011 22:42 Radfield wrote: Chaoser and Hyshes: A good lynch target at this point, though I'm willing to be swayed. On November 05 2011 05:31 wherebugsgo wrote: I'm up for killing team Edward today, but nothing is concrete obviously. On November 06 2011 11:56 GMarshal wrote: Of the three choices at lynch time, edward, viking and SS, I think edward was the best possibility. I didn't state it, because I wasn't here for the last few hours of the day, fortunately Crofty was, and did what had to be done, I do believe he voted for team edward before having to change our vote to avoid a no-lynch, yes? I assume before you left, you discussed with Crofty who you felt should be lynched? Did you mention that you felt Viking was a poor lynch? Why was it something that "had to be done"? You don't lynch someone you think is a poor lynch just for the sake of lynching someone, no? | ||
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On November 06 2011 14:54 sandroba wrote: I'm not afraid of lynching someone that doesn't give a fuck about this game, and you can bear the blame of the loss if you are town. Could you explain how this doesn't apply to yourself? On November 06 2011 06:24 sandroba wrote: Just throwing this out there: I belive mafia is amongst team nipple/edward/switzerland. All the other teams look town to me. On November 06 2011 15:08 sandroba wrote: I'd lynch kurumi and rol. These are your biggest contributions to the game thus far. You provide no explanation regarding your opinion. On November 04 2011 03:49 sandroba wrote: I don't and I will do my part to ensure we no lynch today, unless someone comes up if a more convincing case. On November 06 2011 14:54 sandroba wrote: Ok I gather you guys think each other is mafia but I'd like to see a well constructed argument from both of you. You're looking for others to provide arguments, rather than pushing one yourself. On November 04 2011 03:49 sandroba wrote: Your case on prpl is no where near good enough and you know it. You'd rather lynch him on this flimsy evidence? Your team votes for the team you see as town. Seems like a common trend on the Viking lynch. Has there been no discussion between yourself and deconduo? @RoL Are you really waiting 117 hours into the game to make your first post? You ask us not to judge you until then, but that means the first time we can look at you is LYLO, assuming this lynch falls through. What kind of position does that put us in? | ||
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On November 07 2011 06:02 redFF wrote: ##VOte Team Chezinu Oh no you didn't! ##Unvote ##Vote Team SS | ||
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Kurumi is completely absent. Radfield is sick. GM is too busy with his pony cult. Sandroba isn't trying. chaoser is only around to defend himself. RoL promises will post 2 hours before the deadline on DAY TWO. Looking good. | ||
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On November 07 2011 22:14 GMarshal wrote: As to everyone who is using "if I were scum, I would have killed team Chezinu", I suggest you read up on the term, WIFOM. Seriously, you guys want team chezinu lynched? Provide a case, because right now, I'm seeing "wbg is active and rad is a good player, they are alive, ergo, scum!" On November 06 2011 07:16 GMarshal wrote: Radfield isn't dead? He must be mafia then! On November 05 2011 00:49 GMarshal wrote: No, you made a veiled accusation calling me scum and didn't push on it. You weren't saying "gm, be nice" or anything like that, you were implying that I was scum. Without going out and saying it. That's also not town behavior, if you thought my meta indicated I wouldn't do that as town, you should have elaborated, if you wanted me to back off, you should have said it. Instead you go with a veiled accusation. That's called seeding suspicion. My new goal is to make a case against GMarshal by only using pieces of his analysis against myself. | ||
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Kurumi if you could post your opinion on SS and Edward then we might be willing to save you for day three, but it needs to be soon if possible. GM, you based your lynch on me on the fact that I was defending townies on day one, which is exactly what you are doing now. You still haven't provided a strong opinion on scum suspects since the case on Red and I. Could you share who you are voting for before seeing who Team Red21 and Team S&G CONSULTING truely seek to lynch? | ||
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On November 05 2011 00:49 GMarshal wrote: You know better than this. You never, ever post "I think this guy is town" or even imply it, as that makes them targets On November 08 2011 01:12 GMarshal wrote: I'm leaning town heavily on them right now On November 06 2011 12:42 GMarshal wrote: I had more of a town feeling on viking than on you On November 04 2011 20:31 GMarshal wrote: First of all let me get on paper that I don't think sandroba is scum On November 08 2011 01:41 GMarshal wrote: I'll try to settle on one or the other in the next few hours, but I'd love to hear any arguments towards one or the other. How does 2:00pm EST sound? | ||
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On November 08 2011 03:52 deconduo wrote: Ah crap, gg gl town. Oh geeze, massive WIFOM now. | ||
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On November 05 2011 06:39 deconduo wrote: The only case against us is that he recommended a no-lynch, which he already explained was a ploy. When did he explain this was a ploy? As far as I can tell, he was advocating a no-lynch the entire day. | ||
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On November 06 2011 06:59 sandroba wrote: Honestly I didn't want anyone lynched ytd, especially after you claimed parity cop. On November 07 2011 14:50 sandroba wrote: First I didn't parrot w/e kurumi said, he beat me to it and I explained how in my opinion a double no lynch was statistically beneficial to the town. I don't see how it can be a ploy if he was truly pushing a nolynch. Suppose it really was a "method to get reads from people", what reads did you guys get from it? | ||
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On November 05 2011 07:15 deconduo wrote: Oh and if Viking flip scum then I'm pretty sure team Chezinu is the last mafia. Could you explain what in particular tied Viking's flip to team Chezinu? Or were you just trying to act as if you don't know what Viking would flip? On November 05 2011 04:28 deconduo wrote: Team viking attempted to bandwagon twice, first on Team SS and then on Team red21. How was Team Viking's attempted bandwagon on Team SS and Team red 21 any different than your attempted bandwagon on Team red21 and Team Viking? | ||
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deconduo, could you please respond how team chezinu was tied to team viking's flip? Thanks! | ||
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On November 08 2011 05:21 deconduo wrote: We're the only fucking team that have done any scumhunting. Could you provide examples of sandroba's scumhunting attempts and the information he has gained from that? Stop pretending to rage quit and respond to my questions. Sounds like red is really convinced about you bugs and I'm willing to give him the benefit of the doubt. Would team SS and supersoft be willing to switch over to chezinu? | ||
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On November 08 2011 05:30 sandroba wrote: wbg my god man you nitpick at phrasing errors when you KNOW they are just that: errors. Everyone and their mother knows that kurumi only trolls hard when he is town. I'm saying he is mafia due to LACK of trolling. http://www.teamliquid.net/forum/viewmessage.php?topic_id=237920&user=68386¤tpage=All He is mafia this game. Do you want to reconsider? | ||
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On November 08 2011 05:43 Kurumi wrote: Like once and he kept talking about having showers, banging his gf and eating 7 hot dogs. Inspirational. Do you intend to hammer SS? | ||
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On November 08 2011 05:50 Kurumi wrote: Not yet. I think everything they've done today is causing chaos, throwing weak accusations around, using weak arguments and go all ragemode, which is not beneficial to town. I just don't want to end the day yet. Is that where you are leaning though or would you rather lynch someone else like edward, chezinu or liquid? | ||
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On November 08 2011 05:52 deconduo wrote: WTF do you want me to do. There is literally no case against us. Would you provide examples of Sandroba's attempts to scumhunt and the information he gained from it? | ||
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Well you said your team has been the only one scumhunting. I was hoping to hear you back that up. | ||
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On November 08 2011 06:05 sandroba wrote: Man anyone I challenge you to take anything I said and pin it to a mafia agenda which is to hide and avoid suspicion. Could you go through your posts from the first two days and show us what you have done that supports a town agenda? Provide examples of scumhunting? If you're willing to reply to this, I'll leave you alone if I'm satisfied with the response. | ||
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On November 08 2011 06:43 sandroba wrote: I did already, filter me and read the part where I say what I expected from town and scum to do. It's funny how most of you guys keep posting "What have YOU done?" when the great majority of you have done way less =/ Could you quote that? I honestly don't see it. | ||
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On November 08 2011 06:50 GreYMisT wrote: What I do see of you is a player being pretty wishy-washy until he was accused of being scum. How many votes do we have on SS and how much time is left? One more for the hammer. 10 minutes. | ||
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On November 08 2011 06:57 sandroba wrote: you guys so smart, you really nailed me, I was mafia all along muahahaha. You're hammered. You're not allowed to taunt us if we're wrong  | ||
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On November 08 2011 08:03 supersoft wrote: and in addition to that: kita, take care of your buddy. he's completely out of control right now. I agree with him. You guys have slipped by, but if we survive that night, expect a case against you tomorrow. | ||
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On November 06 2011 19:09 RebirthOfLeGenD wrote: I just skimmed the last page, I am sorry about my inactivity, I will be able to contribute tomorrow at around 4-5pm because that's when I get out of work. I keep getting sidelined by real life stuff lately, once again my apologies. I ask that you guys don't jump the gun on anything relating to me until I have the opportunity to help out tomorrow. Give me the chance to contribute and if you still feel the need to kill me then by all means do it, but let me nab you some scum first. | ||
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On November 08 2011 11:29 wherebugsgo wrote: Otherwise, go play with your little toys in the kiddie corner. GM may be preaching sharing and caring, but there is no way Red touches my toys. | ||
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Scenario One: Medic doesn't exist. Oh well, scum is going to shoot us either way. Gl at LYLO. Scenario Two: Mafia role claims medic. Scum is not allowed to shoot us if they want their claim to hold up, allowing us to pull off a check. Scenario Three: The medic claims and proceeds to get shot by mafia. We have the medics parity and can confirm one player as town/scum. If we get a same result, we have the 2 scum in a pool of 3 players. If we get a different result, we have tomorrow's lynch. On a side note, absolutely no one should be voting in the thread tomorrow until a final decision has been agreed upon by the town. A single wrong vote allows the scum team to double vote and hammer the lynch. | ||
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On November 08 2011 12:37 chaoser wrote: Kita, if you had to lynch now, who would you be lynching? Grey/super? Yep. After looking through their filter, I noticed this: On November 05 2011 02:59 supersoft wrote: //List of reads ah i just wanted to send that to grey, but i guess it's okay if you all read that. What does that even mean o.O | ||
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On November 08 2011 12:37 chaoser wrote: Kita, if you had to lynch now, who would you be lynching? Grey/super? chaoser, what do you think about grey/super? | ||
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Scum can do that too: (PYPI) On October 12 2011 13:56 kitaman27 wrote: As an aside, please try to save any pm logs you have with anyone during the course of the game. | ||
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On November 09 2011 00:33 chaoser wrote: Says scum will go all in to achieve mislynch and to be careful with the vote Wants to vote Team Nipple, the shittest lynch at this point. Scum -_- I'm just spouting nonsense, what's your excuse? | ||
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On November 09 2011 01:13 GMarshal wrote: Hurrah for a ridiculously high fever! I can hardly even string coherent sentences together. I suppose its too much to ask that crofty carry the team for the next 24 hours? Probably, oh well Claiming medic now, protecting kita tonight. Kita, if your check from n1 isn't dead, check me, otherwise check someone you think is likely to be scum. This is probably a terrible decision I will regret in the morning, but hell I'm literally hallucinating with fever! I slipped it a little earlier here when attacking kurumi's plan. Specifically: Now I'm going to collapse back into a feverish delirium, but if kitas check goes through, worst case we have 2 confirmed town, which means that even by rng there is a 66% chance of hitting scum. GL HF GG, I'll try to post my thoughts in more detail before I get shot. <3 I might even consider forgiving you for making us claim earlier.....Nope no forgiveness here. | ||
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If we pull off a check, then we go from there based on the information at hand. Nobody should vote until the town comes to an agreement. | ||
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On November 09 2011 03:11 wherebugsgo wrote: Kita, you should check one of me/S&G/nipple if you haven't already so that you can give us the information we need to win on the next day. I imagine we'll hit scum 100% unless both GM and chaoser are alive. So you think a scum chaoser is counterclaiming a medic GM? Does Radfield believe the same? | ||
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On November 09 2011 03:13 chaoser wrote: Yeah, IF no one dies. I have already made up my mind. If WBG or I am mafia then the game will go on since mafia can't double team and hammer down, I'm willing to get into that situation where it's 50/50. If your checks help with the equation then we can move from there but I'm 100% sure WBG is mafia. Will you do a favor for your best buddy kita and not vote until after we have? | ||
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If we didn't have a check, we could just make up a check, force a mislynch and win the game. We are withholding information because we want statements from GM, kurumi, RoL, and Radfield first. Knowing the results of our checks may influence who they go after. Thus, we keep them in the dark until they comment. k thx | ||
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I don't really expect to hear from RoL (though I would love to). He is posting in the website feedback thread and the mlg thread. Hopefully this will attract kurumi's attention: ![[image loading]](http://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/f/f3/Potatoes.jpg) | ||
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On November 09 2011 23:36 GreYMisT wrote: Regardless of which one of us is scum, I think the best option today is to kill Team Liquid. You're presented with a check that indicates that Team Chezinu must be scum in 100% of circumstances based on your own alignment and you want to lynch Team Liquid? | ||
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On November 09 2011 12:15 redFF wrote: Anyone that tries to continue to push a GM lynch will be considered a hindrance to town discussion. Lets hear some analysis against Chezinu. You guys should be fighting for your life! | ||
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On November 09 2011 23:41 GreYMisT wrote: I'm operating under the assumption that lynching GM will be easier today as I have not heard your opinion in all of this. I'd prefer the correct lynch over the easy lynch. | ||
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On November 10 2011 00:43 Kurumi wrote: Just comparing the effort teams put into the game I think team S&G is scum. So you're reading the thread kurumi? You said you were going to try this game. Give us proof of that. Red and I aren't really agreeing at the moment. The lynch might come down to you. Could you give a better explanation other than effort? | ||
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On November 10 2011 01:34 Kurumi wrote: I think it's more incriminating than fake-claim of GMarshal(who I've seen quite town in the beginning Could you explain this? You're leaning town on GM? | ||
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On November 10 2011 04:57 GreYMisT wrote: they are just withholding their opinions causing chaos, or they are scum laughing at us Cmon now. Really? You can't come up with any reason why we might not share who we are lynching today? You act as if we will never decide or something. Please unvote and we will share who will be lynched later in the cycle. At the moment, your team is the one causing chaos by voting for a player that the town hasn't come to a consensus about lynching. That is selfish. | ||
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On November 10 2011 05:05 supersoft wrote: its not selfish, its a risk. if kuru is town, scum has to hammer. and if scum does hammer we lose. I'm not sure I'm understanding your logic. Why don't you want a bugs vs you lynch? Please unvote. | ||
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On November 10 2011 05:08 supersoft wrote: i dont. i am 100% sure of wbg. obviously i cannot convince you.. Wait what? Why not? | ||
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On November 10 2011 05:12 supersoft wrote: you accused me at the beginning of the day with no reason. i know i cant rely on your judgement. There is a difference from ones intentions and the opinion one is trying to portray in the thread. We're looking for connections and attempting to bait reactions. There are two LYLO, not just one. Do you not agree that more information benefits town? Please unvote. | ||
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On November 10 2011 05:21 supersoft wrote: no. i got two scum catched there. wbg 100% and if kurumi doesnt die, we got the other one. it's an all in. scum has to hammer. Why do you get to make the decision yourself? If kurumi does die, then the game is over. Why won't you let us discuss it first? | ||
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On November 10 2011 05:25 supersoft wrote: what how can we have a 100% lynch??? explain that to me!!! YOU DONT TALK TO ME!!!! i wanna know your 100% plan or ill do that myself. We're going to vote bugs in 24 hours. Don't make us beg. Unvote gogo. | ||
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On November 10 2011 05:28 supersoft wrote: from my pov i see a 50/50 lynch between me and wbg with your plan You do realize that there has to be a lynch between you and bugs before the game is over....right? | ||
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On November 10 2011 06:14 GMarshal wrote: I'm going to vote for the opposite of whatever kurumi's team votes, because I know them to be scum. err, that logic doesn't work. | ||
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On November 10 2011 06:43 GMarshal wrote: I'm just going to collapse into bed now. Playing mafia when words are dancing on your screen is a lot harder than it sounds. If you were the real doctor then you wouldn't have this problem now would you? | ||
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On November 10 2011 06:54 GMarshal wrote: I think I get the award for that. I really thought it might win us the game at the time. Lesson learned, when you are practically hallucinating, your "brilliant plan" is probably not so brilliant. It *could* have worked though! If it makes you feel better GM, this is what I posted in our quicktopic. It was exactly the response we were looking for. I'm going to post in the thread suggesting that the medic should role claim. If this is a setup with a medic, then hopefully they will have enough sense to keep hidden and just trick mafia into hitting us. If this is a setup without a medic, then perhaps there will be a team that will be willing to fake claim medic and draw a hit allowing us to pull off the check. | ||
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On November 10 2011 06:53 wherebugsgo wrote: this was an uphill battle all game. We were punished for the fact that the PC appeared scummy. We were considering claiming even before we got in trouble. Like we mentioned before, there is about a 10% chance of living to day 3 without a protection, so we felt the 66% chance of there being a medic/jailer would increase our chances. I do imagine it must have been frusturating with a partner that hasn't posted in the thread. I think he could have gotten away with it for the first two days, but blatently ignoring the thread when he is obviously posting elsewhere after multiple promises was essentially suicide. If it makes you feel better, we were leaning Chezinu/Nipple before receiving our check result. | ||
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On November 10 2011 07:12 Kurumi wrote: Well, I think this will be again last game in a while because I am tired of being called useless. You did a pretty good job dodging the day one and day two lynches. If it weren't for RoL, I think you had a chance going up against GM. | ||
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On November 10 2011 07:16 wherebugsgo wrote: I couldn't bus Kurumi when he and RoL both came in at extremely odd times to soft defend us. I even repeatedly sent Kurumi PMs telling him what I wanted him to do and every single time I'd look in the thread and there'd be this random single post that would make me and Radfield look like shit. And I disagree with you completely on the day 3 business. I really don't think I got lynched on day 3 for any fault of my own. That lynch literally could've swung either way, and all the facts were on my side. I know for a fact I would've hated to be in GM's or super's shoes as town. We were in a good spot. Town just flipped a coin and it landed correctly. Also follow the cop IS an issue with the parity. All they need to do is check people who don't die and they have more than enough information on day 3. We couldn't do anything about a day 1 claim. That isn't our fault at all. It did take guts to doubt our PC claim when you knew it had to be true. I liked that, although asking for our checks was kind of weird. It was interesting to see how much confidence you had with every lynch, knowing that they were all wrong lol. It would have been interesting to see how this game played out with a PC/jailer instead. | ||
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On November 10 2011 08:23 Ace wrote: I told WBG I didn't read the game but skimmed the thread and saw when GM said he fake claimed to protect the medic. There should have been an instant lynch right there with no hesitation. But the Town is ridiculous. That wasn't the situation. He didn't fake claim to protect the medic. He fake claimed to protect the parity cop. It was night two after two mislynches and a claimed PC with no knowledge if there is a medic in the setup. Best case scenario, the scum team get spooked and doesn't shoot the PC. Worse case scenario, the scum shoot the PC anyways and you chalk up the GM fake claim to a null tell. | ||
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On November 10 2011 09:02 Ace wrote: He can play this card from both alignments, hence you can't even take his excuse of doing it to WIFOM the Mafia seriously. The Town would have lost but it was the correct play. If it could have come from both alignments, you discard the information and base the lynch on the other 70 pages. Carrying out a policy lynch just for the sake of policy doesn't make sense. | ||
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On November 10 2011 09:09 Ace wrote: This isn't a policy lynch. It is a LYLO and someone has been found to be lying about a Role claim. You can't tell if he is Town or Scum because his alibi is acceptable for both alignments so you can't take it at face value. What you do know is that he claimed a role, and the actual REAL role died. What happened in the other 70 pages that can overturn this scenario? Lynch all liars is a policy lynch. If the role claim isn't town or scum aligned, why should it lead to an instant GM lynch? To discourage town players from lying in future games? That's nice and all, but the goal is to win the current game. Considering GM had a partiy difference from a player which had zero worthwhile posts in a 70 page game and he had reasonable town tells on day one, you can't call town bad for not lynching him over the claim. | ||
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On November 10 2011 09:14 Ace wrote: You're in LYLO. Someone claims medic. The real medic dies. He has an alibi that can't help you determine his alignment. Why are you taking anything he says as true at this point for sure? We weren't . GM wasn't "confirmed" town or anything. We had a parity check on bugs vs super and chose to lynch bugs. GM's opinion wasn't taken as law. On November 10 2011 09:14 Ace wrote: if a Scum GM makes this claim, this is the sticking point. You realize that a Scum GM wins the game for the Scum team if this claim goes through. I disagree. Suppose GM is scum and claims medic. There are two possibilities: 1) There is a real medic, who is not shot night two. We get back our parity result between bugs and super and still lynch bugs. As the real medic is still alive, that allows us to pull of a second parity check, ending the game. 2) There is a real medic, who is shot night two. We get back our parity result between bugs and super and still lynch bugs. The game comes down to a 2v1 and you go from there. On November 10 2011 09:14 Ace wrote: This is the kind of shit play that has led people to stop playing here and you can't even recognize it. In a Town favored setup a PC claims Day 1, The Town mislynches twice, A town player lies about his role and yet you still think that was a good play going into LYLO. You're right, you know better than me. I'm not even going to discuss this anymore No need to become upset. I'm the first to admit that we played poorly on day one forcing a claim. I'm not trying to spin two mislynches as great town play. I agree this was certainly a town favorable setup. I think not lynching GM was a good play going into LYLO because he wasn't scum. That's all. | ||
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On November 10 2011 09:42 wherebugsgo wrote: Actually kita, your logic fails on the account that you automatically know ALL the parity possibilities. You know that GM+nipple are opposite parities as well, so you might as well focus on them instead of myself+S&G. Correct, but how does that break the logic? | ||
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On November 10 2011 09:51 wherebugsgo wrote: This. You're claiming the parity check somehow means I become scum. That's not true, the best information you have going into day 3 with any sort of check all leads to a GM lynch. Every other lynch is non-optimal and if you repeat this scenario again where I am town and the scumteam is GM+S&G, you choose to lynch me and lose. Literally the only thing that changes between those two situations is the parities. You just admitted to flipping a coin. The parity check means either you or super were scum. We had a town read on super, we had a scum read on you guys. We lynch you guys. It's not a coinflip, its just like any other lynch. You decide based on the information available. If the scum team was GM and S&G, the game plays out differently and perhaps we don't make the same decision. | ||
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On November 10 2011 09:56 wherebugsgo wrote: uhhh... you said you had a scum read on S&G not even a day ago, not to mention by all accounts S&G was saying scummier things on day 3. We posted in the thread that we had a scum read on S&G. We didn't. | ||
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On November 09 2011 00:54 kitaman27 wrote: I'm just spouting nonsense, what's your excuse? Heh unfortunately chaoser seemed to be the only one to jump on the S&G fake suspicion. | ||
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On November 10 2011 10:07 Ace wrote: They are arguing based on the known results of the game. I bet you if you flipped Town they still wouldn't even realize what you and I are talking about. <3 You are arguing based on hypothetical situations. If bugs was town, then this game plays out differently. | ||
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On January 11 2011 18:06 Ace wrote: kudos to Nemesis and chaoser for being clutch and not thinking like idiots. Also for future reference of why I believed Subversion had to be Scum: Why would you side with someone that isn't even defending himself? On November 10 2011 08:23 Ace wrote: I told WBG I didn't read the game but skimmed the thread and saw when GM said he fake claimed to protect the medic. There should have been an instant lynch right there with no hesitation. But the Town is ridiculous. Hypothetical situation #3. An absent player and a fake claimer return different parities. Who gets lynched | ||
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On November 10 2011 10:29 Qatol wrote: Easy. Fake claimer, assuming they weren't ridiculously pro-town before the fake claim. The absent player is probably a bored townie. But suppose its a blatantly absent player, with zero game related posts at LYLO, who promises analysis on three separate occasions without delivering and is post in other mafia threads. RoL really should have been the day 2 lynch -_- | ||
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On November 10 2011 11:10 RebirthOfLeGenD wrote: This is so backwards and once again, you guys miss the point. Just because the outcome worked doesn't mean your logic or reasoning was right. Do you know our logic or reasoning RoL? On November 10 2011 11:10 RebirthOfLeGenD wrote: To put this in perspective, if I proceeded to lie through the ENTIRE game, blatantly push miss lynches and shout scum at every turn, use a fakeclaim, but somehow ended up being a townie. That doesn't mean it was a good decision not to lynch me just because it turned out being right. That's another hypothetical situation. That's not what occurred this game. On November 10 2011 11:14 RebirthOfLeGenD wrote: It's lucky, not good. That's the mistake you are making. It's like saying if Option A is correct 90% of the time, but you guys chose option B, which is only right 10% of the time and somehow B ends up being right it doesn't mean that B is a good decision just because is somehow worked out. But that's not how a game of mafia works. Option A has to be correct either 100% of the time or 0% of the time. The alignment's of players has already been determined. A fake claim could have been scum 9 out of the previous 10 games, but those past events don't influence the current event. You could develop a crude heuristic to influence your decisions, but then you have to consider the previous 144 hours of events in addition to your 90% fake claimers are scum theory. | ||
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On November 10 2011 12:52 Ace wrote: @kita: I've asked you twice already to SHOW ME SOMETHING in these 70 pages that helps the case of WBG having to be scum that allows you to ignore GM. You haven't done it. So if I'm being short sighted you aren't showing me anything to let me know you even understand the situation. Good bye. Hmm? bugs alignment wasn't related to GM's alignment. There was a parity check between Radfield/Bugs and super/grey that returned different. That means there was a difference in parity between GM and Kurumi/RoL. From there, GM was the clearer town based on the first three days events. | ||
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United States9245 Posts
On November 10 2011 13:11 wherebugsgo wrote: there is nothing that told you GM was clear town over Kurumi in that respect. Technically we never had to make the decision because you guys conceded | ||
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kitaman27
United States9245 Posts
On November 10 2011 13:41 chaoser wrote: SC analogy? You're D- rank and you just won by going deep six off no scouting. Ace is Bisu. That might be more an insult to Ace than it is to red. | ||
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kitaman27
United States9245 Posts
On November 10 2011 13:54 GMarshal wrote: huh, kita though I was scum, because of ______, better not do _____ anymore" You slander me! Team Viking was clearly not present in my foolproof "2/6 of these guys are scum" list. | ||
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