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wherebugsgo
Japan10647 Posts
http://mafiascum.net/wiki/index.php?title=Follow_the_Cop it's really only breakable with a roleblocker. I wouldn't call the setup imbalanced if I hadn't experienced it myself (I'm not blaming anyone, I don't blame Palmar, I'm just saying that in the future this needs to be changed) IMO mafia should never be punished for forcing a roleclaim. People claiming and then loling to victory is just crazy stupid IMO. This game is about analysis, not dumb luck. | ||
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Palmar
Iceland22633 Posts
Fast endgame: ![[image loading]](http://ihateketchup.files.wordpress.com/2011/04/hurr-durr-derp-face-friday-derp.jpg) After seeing their partners Wherebugsgo and Radfield killed by crazy couples, Kurumi and his lover RebirthOfLeGenD decided to take their own life in one swift motion. And thus a couple of couples died. Incidentally, they were scum. GG, town wins! Here's the excel sheet: https://docs.google.com/spreadsheet/ccc?key=0Aolx7msuf_IvdHpfWEdoQXMwTXRVTENtdU0yQ2lleFE&hl=en_US#gid=0 Enjoy! | ||
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Kurumi
Poland6130 Posts
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GMarshal
United States22154 Posts
On November 10 2011 07:04 wherebugsgo wrote: This is the situation we faced this game: http://mafiascum.net/wiki/index.php?title=Follow_the_Cop it's really only breakable with a roleblocker. I wouldn't call the setup imbalanced if I hadn't experienced it myself (I'm not blaming anyone, I don't blame Palmar, I'm just saying that in the future this needs to be changed) IMO mafia should never be punished for forcing a roleclaim. People claiming and then loling to victory is just crazy stupid IMO. This game is about analysis, not dumb luck. That is why I argued for either a roleblocker/framer or a miller in the pregame, DT is just too powerful without it, especially if there is a high probability of protection roles being present. | ||
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wherebugsgo
Japan10647 Posts
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redFF
United States3910 Posts
![[image loading]](http://operatorchan.org/vg/arch/src/vg33255_deal%20with%20it%20gabe.png) | ||
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Curu
Canada2817 Posts
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wherebugsgo
Japan10647 Posts
On November 10 2011 07:06 GMarshal wrote: That is why I argued for either a roleblocker/framer or a miller in the pregame, DT is just too powerful without it, especially if there is a high probability of protection roles being present. roleblocker would've balanced the setup, IMO. I personally just hate roleclaims. If I ever host a game I will probably punish roleclaimers very hard. TL towns tend to believe any role claim fed to them, but that's a big problem when generally only townies gain from roleclaims. Very rarely do scum roleclaims actually gain scum anything. Sometimes you see them do something but more often than not mafia only really gain from counterclaiming. Counterclaiming on day 1 this game would've taken balls, but we would've been dead day 2 and that wouldn't have been good. | ||
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deconduo
Ireland4122 Posts
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kitaman27
United States9245 Posts
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supersoft
Germany3729 Posts
On November 10 2011 07:07 wherebugsgo wrote: also planning shit is impossible when all 3 of your scumbuddies are gone. true. You didn't play bad at all. Really. I don't know if the setup was bad, but rad and RoL being afk is pretty bad. if chaoser were scum instead of kuru, or someone else who is active, you may have had the chance to do something | ||
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wherebugsgo
Japan10647 Posts
On November 10 2011 07:07 redFF wrote: honestly wbg we weren't even a full cop. the lynch was between you and s&g and you lost. yeah, I lost. I can tell you for a fact I'm not ashamed of my loss. I don't particularly care, particularly as I wouldn't have done anything differently if I was put in the same exact situation a second time. | ||
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Kurumi
Poland6130 Posts
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redFF
United States3910 Posts
On November 10 2011 07:12 Kurumi wrote: Well, I think this will be again last game in a while because I am tired of being called useless. | ||
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Palmar
Iceland22633 Posts
On November 10 2011 07:04 wherebugsgo wrote: This is the situation we faced this game: http://mafiascum.net/wiki/index.php?title=Follow_the_Cop it's really only breakable with a roleblocker. I wouldn't call the setup imbalanced if I hadn't experienced it myself (I'm not blaming anyone, I don't blame Palmar, I'm just saying that in the future this needs to be changed) IMO mafia should never be punished for forcing a roleclaim. People claiming and then loling to victory is just crazy stupid IMO. This game is about analysis, not dumb luck. Follow the cop is not an issue with a parity cop (who essentially can only have one real result at the start of day 3) in a 7 player game with a role cop. What lost you the game was your (the mafia team's) inability to argue your way out of a lynch on day 3, or unwillingness to bus a partner to secure the win in lylo tomorrow. The reason I say follow the cop is not an issue this game is the following. Day 3 is the FIRST day a parity cop can have reliable results. Before mafia sends in their night 2 kill, they have the identity of 4 people in the game known, the 2 lynches (day 1 and 2), the night kill on n1, and the rolecheck on n1. With all this information, it's only reasonable to think scum might be able to deduce who the doctor is by night 2, and reliably kill him, or if they haven't found a doc, take a shot on the cop. Yes, the setup I rolled was the most town favoured one of the bunch, but it's still very, very winnable for scum. Things were going pretty well. Just imagine in a different world where Kurumi and RoL hadn't been repeatedly defended by WBG/Rad, they would've stepped up their game today, bussed WBG/Rad, then killed the parity cops during the night. All that leaves is trying to get GM hanged which was VERY attainable seeing as S&G who would've gotten confirmed in the process were already leaning scum on GM. I say mafia gave up way too early, and was in general lazy, with only one player actively playing the game. | ||
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prplhz
Denmark8045 Posts
1 ON 1 MAFIA BOTH DAYVIGS | ||
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kitaman27
United States9245 Posts
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chaoser
United States5541 Posts
On November 10 2011 06:58 Curu wrote: Never say never! Town had no chance of winning LOTR but a Mafia screwup coupled with some clutch play by chaoser saved an impossible situation! I AM THE KING OF CLAIMING! YAY TOWN! WE WON! TOLD YOU WBG WAS MAFIA! | ||
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supersoft
Germany3729 Posts
On November 10 2011 07:12 Kurumi wrote: Well, I think this will be again last game in a while because I am tired of being called useless. no sorry, don't misunderstand me, I meant you as a team. RoL posted like 3 times and it wasnt game related... | ||
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kitaman27
United States9245 Posts
On November 10 2011 07:12 Kurumi wrote: Well, I think this will be again last game in a while because I am tired of being called useless. You did a pretty good job dodging the day one and day two lynches. If it weren't for RoL, I think you had a chance going up against GM. | ||
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