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I couldn't bus Kurumi when he and RoL both came in at extremely odd times to soft defend us.
I even repeatedly sent Kurumi PMs telling him what I wanted him to do and every single time I'd look in the thread and there'd be this random single post that would make me and Radfield look like shit.
And I disagree with you completely on the day 3 business. I really don't think I got lynched on day 3 for any fault of my own. That lynch literally could've swung either way, and all the facts were on my side.
I know for a fact I would've hated to be in GM's or super's shoes as town. We were in a good spot. Town just flipped a coin and it landed correctly.
Also follow the cop IS an issue with the parity. All they need to do is check people who don't die and they have more than enough information on day 3. We couldn't do anything about a day 1 claim. That isn't our fault at all.
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Very rarely do scum roleclaims actually gain scum anything. Sometimes you see them do something but more often than not mafia only really gain from counterclaiming.
Cough cough...
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literally, town's win came down to a single check. That's entirely luck.
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On November 10 2011 07:18 chaoser wrote:Show nested quote +Very rarely do scum roleclaims actually gain scum anything. Sometimes you see them do something but more often than not mafia only really gain from counterclaiming. Cough cough...
You claimed in XLIV and it really didn't gain you anything. Six (!!) modkills is what won you guys that game.
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On November 10 2011 07:16 wherebugsgo wrote:
I couldn't bus Kurumi when he and RoL both came in at extremely odd times to soft defend us.
I even repeatedly sent Kurumi PMs telling him what I wanted him to do and every single time I'd look in the thread and there'd be this random single post that would make me and Radfield look like shit.
And I disagree with you completely on the day 3 business. I really don't think I got lynched on day 3 for any fault of my own. That lynch literally could've swung either way, and all the facts were on my side.
I know for a fact I would've hated to be in GM's or super's shoes as town. We were in a good spot. Town just flipped a coin and it landed correctly.
Also follow the cop IS an issue with the parity. All they need to do is check people who don't die and they have more than enough information on day 3. We couldn't do anything about a day 1 claim. That isn't our fault at all.
oh well that's not true. we established ourselves much better as town than you did.
And I still think, that my plan to vote Kuru and bind you two together was good.
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we didn't flip a fucking coin you were scummier than supersoft.
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On November 10 2011 07:16 wherebugsgo wrote:
I couldn't bus Kurumi when he and RoL both came in at extremely odd times to soft defend us.
I even repeatedly sent Kurumi PMs telling him what I wanted him to do and every single time I'd look in the thread and there'd be this random single post that would make me and Radfield look like shit.
And I disagree with you completely on the day 3 business. I really don't think I got lynched on day 3 for any fault of my own. That lynch literally could've swung either way, and all the facts were on my side.
I know for a fact I would've hated to be in GM's or super's shoes as town. We were in a good spot. Town just flipped a coin and it landed correctly.
Also follow the cop IS an issue with the parity. All they need to do is check people who don't die and they have more than enough information on day 3. We couldn't do anything about a day 1 claim. That isn't our fault at all.
I completely agree that you didn't HAVE to bus, but it was the safest way to win. But yes, the problem lay in you guys already having screwed up that opportunity, leaving it down to a decision on where RedFF and Kita would stand, which was unfortunately unfavorable to you.
And of course you got lynched by your own fault, you have to remember, they only know either you guys or S&G are scum, you lost that argument to supersoft and greymist because they played well enough.
It basically came down to a simple duel between S&G and Chezinu, and S&G came out on top this time.
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kitaman27
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On November 10 2011 07:16 wherebugsgo wrote:
I couldn't bus Kurumi when he and RoL both came in at extremely odd times to soft defend us.
I even repeatedly sent Kurumi PMs telling him what I wanted him to do and every single time I'd look in the thread and there'd be this random single post that would make me and Radfield look like shit.
And I disagree with you completely on the day 3 business. I really don't think I got lynched on day 3 for any fault of my own. That lynch literally could've swung either way, and all the facts were on my side.
I know for a fact I would've hated to be in GM's or super's shoes as town. We were in a good spot. Town just flipped a coin and it landed correctly.
Also follow the cop IS an issue with the parity. All they need to do is check people who don't die and they have more than enough information on day 3. We couldn't do anything about a day 1 claim. That isn't our fault at all.
It did take guts to doubt our PC claim when you knew it had to be true. I liked that, although asking for our checks was kind of weird. It was interesting to see how much confidence you had with every lynch, knowing that they were all wrong lol. It would have been interesting to see how this game played out with a PC/jailer instead.
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On November 10 2011 07:19 supersoft wrote:Show nested quote +On November 10 2011 07:16 wherebugsgo wrote:
I couldn't bus Kurumi when he and RoL both came in at extremely odd times to soft defend us.
I even repeatedly sent Kurumi PMs telling him what I wanted him to do and every single time I'd look in the thread and there'd be this random single post that would make me and Radfield look like shit.
And I disagree with you completely on the day 3 business. I really don't think I got lynched on day 3 for any fault of my own. That lynch literally could've swung either way, and all the facts were on my side.
I know for a fact I would've hated to be in GM's or super's shoes as town. We were in a good spot. Town just flipped a coin and it landed correctly.
Also follow the cop IS an issue with the parity. All they need to do is check people who don't die and they have more than enough information on day 3. We couldn't do anything about a day 1 claim. That isn't our fault at all. oh well that's not true. we established ourselves much better as town than you did. And I still think, that my plan to vote Kuru and bind you two together was good.
I was actually thinking of doing that myself.
I just figured that holding off the vote would make me look more town than you.
Radfield I think thought differently than me on that but he was at work.
I could've also just risked not posting while I saw it because I saw it on my phone and kinda panicked. Had I just been gone I think maybe I would've survived? Who knows.
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On November 10 2011 07:18 wherebugsgo wrote:Show nested quote +On November 10 2011 07:18 chaoser wrote:Very rarely do scum roleclaims actually gain scum anything. Sometimes you see them do something but more often than not mafia only really gain from counterclaiming. Cough cough... You claimed in XLIV and it really didn't gain you anything. Six (!!) modkills is what won you guys that game.
And not listening to me.
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On November 10 2011 07:20 Palmar wrote:Show nested quote +On November 10 2011 07:16 wherebugsgo wrote:
I couldn't bus Kurumi when he and RoL both came in at extremely odd times to soft defend us.
I even repeatedly sent Kurumi PMs telling him what I wanted him to do and every single time I'd look in the thread and there'd be this random single post that would make me and Radfield look like shit.
And I disagree with you completely on the day 3 business. I really don't think I got lynched on day 3 for any fault of my own. That lynch literally could've swung either way, and all the facts were on my side.
I know for a fact I would've hated to be in GM's or super's shoes as town. We were in a good spot. Town just flipped a coin and it landed correctly.
Also follow the cop IS an issue with the parity. All they need to do is check people who don't die and they have more than enough information on day 3. We couldn't do anything about a day 1 claim. That isn't our fault at all. I completely agree that you didn't HAVE to bus, but it was the safest way to win. But yes, the problem lay in you guys already having screwed up that opportunity, leaving it down to a decision on where RedFF and Kita would stand, which was unfortunately unfavorable to you. And of course you got lynched by your own fault, you have to remember, they only know either you guys or S&G are scum, you lost that argument to supersoft and greymist because they played well enough. It basically came down to a simple duel between S&G and Chezinu, and S&G came out on top this time.
lol I really do disagree with this, but I'm not going to argue about it anymore because I know I'm more than a little mad right now.
This game was extremely frustrating to me because I knew as soon as kita+red claimed on day 1 that it was going to be incredibly hard to win. I did my best, and we lost. Oh well.
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On November 10 2011 07:18 wherebugsgo wrote:Show nested quote +On November 10 2011 07:18 chaoser wrote:Very rarely do scum roleclaims actually gain scum anything. Sometimes you see them do something but more often than not mafia only really gain from counterclaiming. Cough cough... You claimed in XLIV and it really didn't gain you anything. Six (!!) modkills is what won you guys that game.
I've fake claimed previously as mafia to great effect before you came
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On November 10 2011 07:24 chaoser wrote:Show nested quote +On November 10 2011 07:18 wherebugsgo wrote:On November 10 2011 07:18 chaoser wrote:Very rarely do scum roleclaims actually gain scum anything. Sometimes you see them do something but more often than not mafia only really gain from counterclaiming. Cough cough... You claimed in XLIV and it really didn't gain you anything. Six (!!) modkills is what won you guys that game. I've fake claimed previously as mafia to great effect before you came
that's fine, but by all accounts if the parity cop claims on day 1, then how is a fake claim going to help scum?
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guys I am truely sorry for some of the shitfest that happened today. Almost the second I started the game, college decided to unleash a combo move on me. the reason I didnt replace out was I knew it would be over in like a few days, and could hopefully make up the time after i was free. it was unfortunate that right when i was free was LYLO, and the spike in activity was, as I thought, used against me. I think If i had been more availible earlier on, the choice between me and WBG would have been a bit more clear.
I actually was beginning to doubt GM as scum, because I see no reason why scum would ever do what happened that night, unless it was for pure troll purpose.
Kitared, i hope you understand my skeptisism of your claim throughout the entire game. I was running through the scenario in my head that t you/GM were scum near the end, and you withholding your info didnt help me dissuade that  I see now why you were holding it back though.
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Oh and LotR definatly didnt help me in the "kita's complicated fakeclaims dont work well" department.
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On November 10 2011 07:22 wherebugsgo wrote:Show nested quote +On November 10 2011 07:20 Palmar wrote:On November 10 2011 07:16 wherebugsgo wrote:
I couldn't bus Kurumi when he and RoL both came in at extremely odd times to soft defend us.
I even repeatedly sent Kurumi PMs telling him what I wanted him to do and every single time I'd look in the thread and there'd be this random single post that would make me and Radfield look like shit.
And I disagree with you completely on the day 3 business. I really don't think I got lynched on day 3 for any fault of my own. That lynch literally could've swung either way, and all the facts were on my side.
I know for a fact I would've hated to be in GM's or super's shoes as town. We were in a good spot. Town just flipped a coin and it landed correctly.
Also follow the cop IS an issue with the parity. All they need to do is check people who don't die and they have more than enough information on day 3. We couldn't do anything about a day 1 claim. That isn't our fault at all. I completely agree that you didn't HAVE to bus, but it was the safest way to win. But yes, the problem lay in you guys already having screwed up that opportunity, leaving it down to a decision on where RedFF and Kita would stand, which was unfortunately unfavorable to you. And of course you got lynched by your own fault, you have to remember, they only know either you guys or S&G are scum, you lost that argument to supersoft and greymist because they played well enough. It basically came down to a simple duel between S&G and Chezinu, and S&G came out on top this time. lol I really do disagree with this, but I'm not going to argue about it anymore because I know I'm more than a little mad right now. This game was extremely frustrating to me because I knew as soon as kita+red claimed on day 1 that it was going to be incredibly hard to win. I did my best, and we lost. Oh well.
You did your best, the rest of your team didn't. You cannot argue with what's a fact. It really did come down to a 1v1 argument where both of you raced to convince the deciding team you were town, a race you lost.
You made a few mistakes, but overall you played a really solid mafia game. The problem lies in your team. The fact you defended Kurumi and RoL multiple times throughout the game because they simply couldn't be arsed looking innocent, the fact that the Radfield side of your team who could've complemented your aggressive style with big solid posts very well was for the most part missing....
Those were the things that lost the game.
There is no such thing as winning a game as mafia alone, you have to do it as a team because you never know when shit hits the fan. I found this out in personality where I was happily leading town until a random watcher found me out and suddenly the rest of the team had to scramble.
The setup may have been slightly town favoured, after a very successful day1/night1 cycle, mafia was in prime position to win, all they had to do was to establish themselves as town and distance, because the parity cop could NEVER have more than one check because you found the doctor.
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Thanks for hosting palmar, Team melee is...interesting.
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On November 10 2011 07:31 GreYMisT wrote:
Thanks for hosting palmar, Team melee is...interesting.
btw.: GG Grey! Was a lot of fun to play with you :D
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On November 10 2011 07:32 supersoft wrote:Show nested quote +On November 10 2011 07:31 GreYMisT wrote:
Thanks for hosting palmar, Team melee is...interesting. btw.: GG Grey! Was a lot of fun to play with you :D
Thanks same here, And because i have to rub it in...
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11-07-2011
05:36 PM ET (US)
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What sets me off a bit about WBG is the fact that he seems to be his normal aggressive self, but beneath that he is jumping from person to person a lot. the town WBG that i know makes damn sure everyone votes for who he thinks is scum. This is more like his play in MLP mafia where he jumped around a lot.
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GreY
11-07-2011
01:31 AM ET (US)
I think due to timezones you are going to be more active than i will around lynch time. Know that at the present moment Im fine with nipple or SS, probally more SS atm. Its up to your discretion ultimatly though.
Also be wary of WBG, I not sure if i trust him to be town. I dont have much more than a feeling atm, but dont take everything he says at face value.
From our QT. Who was right?! ^^
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On November 10 2011 07:28 Palmar wrote:Show nested quote +On November 10 2011 07:22 wherebugsgo wrote:On November 10 2011 07:20 Palmar wrote:On November 10 2011 07:16 wherebugsgo wrote:
I couldn't bus Kurumi when he and RoL both came in at extremely odd times to soft defend us.
I even repeatedly sent Kurumi PMs telling him what I wanted him to do and every single time I'd look in the thread and there'd be this random single post that would make me and Radfield look like shit.
And I disagree with you completely on the day 3 business. I really don't think I got lynched on day 3 for any fault of my own. That lynch literally could've swung either way, and all the facts were on my side.
I know for a fact I would've hated to be in GM's or super's shoes as town. We were in a good spot. Town just flipped a coin and it landed correctly.
Also follow the cop IS an issue with the parity. All they need to do is check people who don't die and they have more than enough information on day 3. We couldn't do anything about a day 1 claim. That isn't our fault at all. I completely agree that you didn't HAVE to bus, but it was the safest way to win. But yes, the problem lay in you guys already having screwed up that opportunity, leaving it down to a decision on where RedFF and Kita would stand, which was unfortunately unfavorable to you. And of course you got lynched by your own fault, you have to remember, they only know either you guys or S&G are scum, you lost that argument to supersoft and greymist because they played well enough. It basically came down to a simple duel between S&G and Chezinu, and S&G came out on top this time. lol I really do disagree with this, but I'm not going to argue about it anymore because I know I'm more than a little mad right now. This game was extremely frustrating to me because I knew as soon as kita+red claimed on day 1 that it was going to be incredibly hard to win. I did my best, and we lost. Oh well. You did your best, the rest of your team didn't. You cannot argue with what's a fact. It really did come down to a 1v1 argument where both of you raced to convince the deciding team you were town, a race you lost. You made a few mistakes, but overall you played a really solid mafia game. The problem lies in your team. The fact you defended Kurumi and RoL multiple times throughout the game because they simply couldn't be arsed looking innocent, the fact that the Radfield side of your team who could've complemented your aggressive style with big solid posts very well was for the most part missing.... Those were the things that lost the game. There is no such thing as winning a game as mafia alone, you have to do it as a team because you never know when shit hits the fan. I found this out in personality where I was happily leading town until a random watcher found me out and suddenly the rest of the team had to scramble. The setup may have been slightly town favoured, after a very successful day1/night1 cycle, mafia was in prime position to win, all they had to do was to establish themselves as town and distance, because the parity cop could NEVER have more than one check because you found the doctor.
Right, but one check is all the PC needed in a day 3 situation when there are four other players left.
Think about it.
If the PC gets one confirmed townie, then the PC just needs to muddy the check and then figure out which one is the last townie.
If the PC gets two people as the same parity in the endgame situation, game just proceeds with preceding analysis.
The only situation in which the PC has less than a 50% chance to score scum on day 3 is if both the checks died.
No matter how we could've played it, town would've had at least a 50% chance to score scum on day 3. All you need is one shred of analysis and a bunch of dumb luck and you win the game right there.
EDIT: Plus yeah, one of us getting lynched normally wouldn't end the game but with 3 afk partners=lol
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