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yeah we checked switzerland and they scum obvobv
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we might even wait until tonight who knows!
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i wanna see interactions.
im also rereading.
or im just trolling and know the scumteam and could end the game right now.
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gm why didnt you tell us this at night.
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also gm we didnt even know there was a doctor, so you could be scum trying to get an easy mislynch by claiming doc
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but gm didnt your perspective change when you were counterclaimed? Surely you knew that you would be lynched 100% once you were counterclaimed.
gm you really fucked this up goddamnit lol
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On November 09 2011 10:02 GMarshal wrote:Show nested quote +On November 09 2011 09:57 wherebugsgo wrote:On November 09 2011 09:49 GMarshal wrote:On November 09 2011 09:43 wherebugsgo wrote:On November 09 2011 09:38 GMarshal wrote:On November 09 2011 09:36 wherebugsgo wrote:On November 09 2011 09:31 GMarshal wrote:
Well it should be obvious I fakeclaimed as town to try to save the medic.
IN no scenario does it make sense for me to claim medic, at night, as scum, because in the best case scenario something like this happens. However as town it means I get to
1.) Save the real medic if he exists
2.) Give the DT a check, either by having him check me and dying or by letting him live and check someone else.
In the scenario in which no other blue exist, I gave the dt basically a free check into a pool of 3 players. In a scenario in which a medic exists, the game becomes unwinnable for mafia, unless the medic counterclaims at night. Which chaoser did.
If you examine the motivation behind the claim, there is no logic to it as scum, none. There is no reason I would risk a counterclaim like that or you know, a blue dying at night or CALLING FOR THE DT TO CHECK ME, if I were scum and not in a mental asylum. Didn't take a clairvoyant to see this load of shit coming. Tell me, if you're town fake claiming, why did scum shoot chaoser and not you? You claimed first, if you're both town then you are the one who should've died. Then tell us in what situation a town fake claim helps town? One mislynch and the game is over. Your fakeclaim has created so much WIFOM it's still unknown who the last scumteam is. In other words, it's an excellent gamble to out the medic (if there is one) and ensure the PC dies before the last crucial day when your scumbuddy can simply ride the bus to victory. Yeah, right, keep twisting things. Lets see how this helps town, shall we? Assume a doctor exists. He does not counterclaim at night, I get shot you have 1 dt check that went off 1 dt = 2 confirmed townies if the medic claims and can prove it through crumbs you either have 3 confirmed townies or 2 confirmed townies and a red check. Next night mafia has to shoot doc + 1 dt check into a pool of 2 player, its gg even if a medic *doesn't* exist as long as the other blue doesn't conterclaim/exist I'm still buying a dt check into a pool of 4 players with my life. 50% chance of hitting scum. Basically as long as the blue waited to counterclaim (which any sensible blue would do) I was buying us *at least* a free dt check, an instant victory if a medic existed and did not counterclaim. Everything after this line: Assume a doctor exists. He does not counterclaim at night, I get shot Matters for shit because 1. Chaoser counterclaimed and 2. You're still alive. The rest of your post is basically a jab at chaoser for counterclaiming you because it outed you as scum, and then total ignorance as to how a parity cop would work. A parity cop doesn't give you scum or town unless you get very specific checks off. It just gives you parity, and quite frankly we don't know what kind of information the PC has. Nice WIFOM, GM, nice WIFOM. I did not expect the medic to go full retard. Sorry, but any sane medic would have waited till morning, you know so he could get the protect off? Also parity cop gives you parity! Yes, very good! Which means that once you have a dead check you are as good as a regular cop! Explain to me how my actions make more sense as scum than as town? You can't because my move makes NO sense as scum. With a solid counterclaim come day I'm dead because I didn't get shot! Why would I ever run that risk, when there is a 2/3 chance of another blue and if I *don't* die theres a pretty large chance I'll get lynched for it. You are stretching trying to get the mislynch off, because you expected a quick hammer. You act as if you have no concept of a scum gamble. Scum gambles, kills the medic, your scumbuddy busses you, and then town is in a tough spot when the DT dies and they have 0 information to go on the last day. It's basically a coinflip for both the townies in that situation. On November 09 2011 09:54 GMarshal wrote:On November 09 2011 09:51 wherebugsgo wrote:
Also if I was scum I wouldn't shoot chaoser. That's incredibly dumb when I wanted to lynch him all game long.
GM you fucking hosted the only game in which I was scum. You remember Nisani? We kept pushing each other all game long and we left him alive, choosing to shoot others instead. Why on earth would I shoot someone I think I can lynch?
If I were scum and you and chaoser were both town I would've shot the third townie (nipple or S&G, whichever one of them is town) and then let the lynch fall between you and chaoser. Chaoser would've pushed you and all I would've needed is my scumbuddy to bandwagon with me, game over. Why as scum would I put myself in this position, where I have to fight with you about all of this WIFOM?
God your argument is terrible. you had to shoot him or me. If you shot me and I flipped green then gg, you lose, because chaoser would be confirmed, and kita would have gotten off a check, and you had no way of preventing a check the following night. So you either made the correct guess or more likely your rolecop had checked one of me or chaoser, and you seized the chance. Once again, why would I shoot you or chaoser when I could shoot nipple/S&G?Scum only need one mislynch today. If you and chaoser were both town, I could shoot that other townie and then sheep chaoser to victory. He even repeatedly said that he would insta-vote you. Your logic is terrible and you know it. You need to die. How the fuck do I know who the medic is if he sensibly waits till morning to counterclaim? this would be a retarded gambleRight, you could have, except if you fail to get the mislynch, by say kita having a red check, then you automatically lose, as I've said. You HAD to shoot one of me and chaoser to avoid that. you could have just sacrificed yourself as scum to find out who the medic is. you probably figured that we had a red check on you and you were dead anyway.
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On November 09 2011 09:57 wherebugsgo wrote:Show nested quote +On November 09 2011 09:49 GMarshal wrote:On November 09 2011 09:43 wherebugsgo wrote:On November 09 2011 09:38 GMarshal wrote:On November 09 2011 09:36 wherebugsgo wrote:On November 09 2011 09:31 GMarshal wrote:
Well it should be obvious I fakeclaimed as town to try to save the medic.
IN no scenario does it make sense for me to claim medic, at night, as scum, because in the best case scenario something like this happens. However as town it means I get to
1.) Save the real medic if he exists
2.) Give the DT a check, either by having him check me and dying or by letting him live and check someone else.
In the scenario in which no other blue exist, I gave the dt basically a free check into a pool of 3 players. In a scenario in which a medic exists, the game becomes unwinnable for mafia, unless the medic counterclaims at night. Which chaoser did.
If you examine the motivation behind the claim, there is no logic to it as scum, none. There is no reason I would risk a counterclaim like that or you know, a blue dying at night or CALLING FOR THE DT TO CHECK ME, if I were scum and not in a mental asylum. Didn't take a clairvoyant to see this load of shit coming. Tell me, if you're town fake claiming, why did scum shoot chaoser and not you? You claimed first, if you're both town then you are the one who should've died. Then tell us in what situation a town fake claim helps town? One mislynch and the game is over. Your fakeclaim has created so much WIFOM it's still unknown who the last scumteam is. In other words, it's an excellent gamble to out the medic (if there is one) and ensure the PC dies before the last crucial day when your scumbuddy can simply ride the bus to victory. Yeah, right, keep twisting things. Lets see how this helps town, shall we? Assume a doctor exists. He does not counterclaim at night, I get shot you have 1 dt check that went off 1 dt = 2 confirmed townies if the medic claims and can prove it through crumbs you either have 3 confirmed townies or 2 confirmed townies and a red check. Next night mafia has to shoot doc + 1 dt check into a pool of 2 player, its gg even if a medic *doesn't* exist as long as the other blue doesn't conterclaim/exist I'm still buying a dt check into a pool of 4 players with my life. 50% chance of hitting scum. Basically as long as the blue waited to counterclaim (which any sensible blue would do) I was buying us *at least* a free dt check, an instant victory if a medic existed and did not counterclaim. Everything after this line: Assume a doctor exists. He does not counterclaim at night, I get shot Matters for shit because 1. Chaoser counterclaimed and 2. You're still alive. The rest of your post is basically a jab at chaoser for counterclaiming you because it outed you as scum, and then total ignorance as to how a parity cop would work. A parity cop doesn't give you scum or town unless you get very specific checks off. It just gives you parity, and quite frankly we don't know what kind of information the PC has. Nice WIFOM, GM, nice WIFOM. I did not expect the medic to go full retard. Sorry, but any sane medic would have waited till morning, you know so he could get the protect off? Also parity cop gives you parity! Yes, very good! Which means that once you have a dead check you are as good as a regular cop! Explain to me how my actions make more sense as scum than as town? You can't because my move makes NO sense as scum. With a solid counterclaim come day I'm dead because I didn't get shot! Why would I ever run that risk, when there is a 2/3 chance of another blue and if I *don't* die theres a pretty large chance I'll get lynched for it. You are stretching trying to get the mislynch off, because you expected a quick hammer. You act as if you have no concept of a scum gamble. Scum gambles, kills the medic, your scumbuddy busses you, and then town is in a tough spot when the DT dies and they have 0 information to go on the last day. It's basically a coinflip for both the townies in that situation. Show nested quote +On November 09 2011 09:54 GMarshal wrote:On November 09 2011 09:51 wherebugsgo wrote:
Also if I was scum I wouldn't shoot chaoser. That's incredibly dumb when I wanted to lynch him all game long.
GM you fucking hosted the only game in which I was scum. You remember Nisani? We kept pushing each other all game long and we left him alive, choosing to shoot others instead. Why on earth would I shoot someone I think I can lynch?
If I were scum and you and chaoser were both town I would've shot the third townie (nipple or S&G, whichever one of them is town) and then let the lynch fall between you and chaoser. Chaoser would've pushed you and all I would've needed is my scumbuddy to bandwagon with me, game over. Why as scum would I put myself in this position, where I have to fight with you about all of this WIFOM?
God your argument is terrible. you had to shoot him or me. If you shot me and I flipped green then gg, you lose, because chaoser would be confirmed, and kita would have gotten off a check, and you had no way of preventing a check the following night. So you either made the correct guess or more likely your rolecop had checked one of me or chaoser, and you seized the chance. Once again, why would I shoot you or chaoser when I could shoot nipple/S&G?Scum only need one mislynch today. If you and chaoser were both town, I could shoot that other townie and then sheep chaoser to victory. He even repeatedly said that he would insta-vote you. Your logic is terrible and you know it. You need to die.
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as scum the optimal move was to shoot the medic lol
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On November 09 2011 10:05 GMarshal wrote:Show nested quote +On November 09 2011 10:02 redFF wrote:
but gm didnt your perspective change when you were counterclaimed? Surely you knew that you would be lynched 100% once you were counterclaimed.
gm you really fucked this up goddamnit lol It did, but if I could persuade the mafia to hit me, we would win anyway, which meant I had to keep up the pretense of being the medic till the day post. If I got shot then scum could no longer win the game. If anyone else got shot and I could get chaoser to follow my reasoning or you and kita had a successful red check, the game was also basically won.
i call bs. you were so obviously not the doctor it was hilarious. you would've seen that.
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On November 09 2011 10:09 wherebugsgo wrote:Show nested quote +On November 09 2011 10:05 redFF wrote:On November 09 2011 09:57 wherebugsgo wrote:On November 09 2011 09:49 GMarshal wrote:On November 09 2011 09:43 wherebugsgo wrote:On November 09 2011 09:38 GMarshal wrote:On November 09 2011 09:36 wherebugsgo wrote:On November 09 2011 09:31 GMarshal wrote:
Well it should be obvious I fakeclaimed as town to try to save the medic.
IN no scenario does it make sense for me to claim medic, at night, as scum, because in the best case scenario something like this happens. However as town it means I get to
1.) Save the real medic if he exists
2.) Give the DT a check, either by having him check me and dying or by letting him live and check someone else.
In the scenario in which no other blue exist, I gave the dt basically a free check into a pool of 3 players. In a scenario in which a medic exists, the game becomes unwinnable for mafia, unless the medic counterclaims at night. Which chaoser did.
If you examine the motivation behind the claim, there is no logic to it as scum, none. There is no reason I would risk a counterclaim like that or you know, a blue dying at night or CALLING FOR THE DT TO CHECK ME, if I were scum and not in a mental asylum. Didn't take a clairvoyant to see this load of shit coming. Tell me, if you're town fake claiming, why did scum shoot chaoser and not you? You claimed first, if you're both town then you are the one who should've died. Then tell us in what situation a town fake claim helps town? One mislynch and the game is over. Your fakeclaim has created so much WIFOM it's still unknown who the last scumteam is. In other words, it's an excellent gamble to out the medic (if there is one) and ensure the PC dies before the last crucial day when your scumbuddy can simply ride the bus to victory. Yeah, right, keep twisting things. Lets see how this helps town, shall we? Assume a doctor exists. He does not counterclaim at night, I get shot you have 1 dt check that went off 1 dt = 2 confirmed townies if the medic claims and can prove it through crumbs you either have 3 confirmed townies or 2 confirmed townies and a red check. Next night mafia has to shoot doc + 1 dt check into a pool of 2 player, its gg even if a medic *doesn't* exist as long as the other blue doesn't conterclaim/exist I'm still buying a dt check into a pool of 4 players with my life. 50% chance of hitting scum. Basically as long as the blue waited to counterclaim (which any sensible blue would do) I was buying us *at least* a free dt check, an instant victory if a medic existed and did not counterclaim. Everything after this line: Assume a doctor exists. He does not counterclaim at night, I get shot Matters for shit because 1. Chaoser counterclaimed and 2. You're still alive. The rest of your post is basically a jab at chaoser for counterclaiming you because it outed you as scum, and then total ignorance as to how a parity cop would work. A parity cop doesn't give you scum or town unless you get very specific checks off. It just gives you parity, and quite frankly we don't know what kind of information the PC has. Nice WIFOM, GM, nice WIFOM. I did not expect the medic to go full retard. Sorry, but any sane medic would have waited till morning, you know so he could get the protect off? Also parity cop gives you parity! Yes, very good! Which means that once you have a dead check you are as good as a regular cop! Explain to me how my actions make more sense as scum than as town? You can't because my move makes NO sense as scum. With a solid counterclaim come day I'm dead because I didn't get shot! Why would I ever run that risk, when there is a 2/3 chance of another blue and if I *don't* die theres a pretty large chance I'll get lynched for it. You are stretching trying to get the mislynch off, because you expected a quick hammer. You act as if you have no concept of a scum gamble. Scum gambles, kills the medic, your scumbuddy busses you, and then town is in a tough spot when the DT dies and they have 0 information to go on the last day. It's basically a coinflip for both the townies in that situation. On November 09 2011 09:54 GMarshal wrote:On November 09 2011 09:51 wherebugsgo wrote:
Also if I was scum I wouldn't shoot chaoser. That's incredibly dumb when I wanted to lynch him all game long.
GM you fucking hosted the only game in which I was scum. You remember Nisani? We kept pushing each other all game long and we left him alive, choosing to shoot others instead. Why on earth would I shoot someone I think I can lynch?
If I were scum and you and chaoser were both town I would've shot the third townie (nipple or S&G, whichever one of them is town) and then let the lynch fall between you and chaoser. Chaoser would've pushed you and all I would've needed is my scumbuddy to bandwagon with me, game over. Why as scum would I put myself in this position, where I have to fight with you about all of this WIFOM?
God your argument is terrible. you had to shoot him or me. If you shot me and I flipped green then gg, you lose, because chaoser would be confirmed, and kita would have gotten off a check, and you had no way of preventing a check the following night. So you either made the correct guess or more likely your rolecop had checked one of me or chaoser, and you seized the chance. Once again, why would I shoot you or chaoser when I could shoot nipple/S&G?Scum only need one mislynch today. If you and chaoser were both town, I could shoot that other townie and then sheep chaoser to victory. He even repeatedly said that he would insta-vote you. Your logic is terrible and you know it. You need to die. ... as scum the optimal move was to shoot the medic lol Stop derping and start reading. GM insists that if I were scum and he and chaoser were both town then it would've made sense for me to shoot GM or chaoser, except in the case of a role check. I tell him that's not true since chaoser vowed to insta-vote him today. Insta-vote from chaoser, a townie, and me being scum=I just tell my scumbuddy to vote with me and I win within five minutes. Tell me, how does any of what GM is saying make sense?
me and kita could've convinced chaoser not instavote. maybe your scumbuddy isnt around?
i never said that gm is making sense. now your putting words into my mouth.
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also fuck you. seriously im never playing in a game with fucking wbg ever again lol.
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On November 09 2011 10:13 GreYMisT wrote:
Man if only there was some more information we could use to help us come to a decision, like...checks or something.
what do you think of all of this? You're not helping yourself at the moment. start playing.
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greymist stop talking about that and tell me what you think of gm right now
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On November 09 2011 10:27 GreYMisT wrote:Show nested quote +On November 09 2011 10:22 redFF wrote:
greymist stop talking about that and tell me what you think of gm right now No, I will not stop until i get the information you are withholding, or until you can give me a valid reason why you aren't giving them out. None of this "I want to see interactions" crap. You can observe interactions after you have given out the checks just as well as before. You see I learned from LotR. To me you are only confirmed when you are dead. just because you said you were the pairty cop, does not mean you get to play like you control us all. It means you have to make the same analysis that you expect from us. GM has failed to convince me thus far of his innocence.
you don't need to know the content of my checks yet. shut up about it we will reveal it when ready.
also if you think we're scum then lol!
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here were the options for gm scum
Shoot into the townies in wbg/kurumi/super/chaoser (one of them being his scumbuddies)
this would have been bad for a few reasons. First, it limits the number of scummy people at lylo, secondly it leaves the medic(if there is one) and parity cop and gives the parity cop another check(if there is a medic)
try and out the medic/claim medic and not be counterclaimed
if there is a medic, then parity cop had at least 2 more checks and scum was in a spot of bother!
by claiming medic, gm could have
a) outed the medic, letting him shoot a blue, leaving him free to kill the cop tomorrow and hope his buddy wins in 3p lylo
b) not been counterclaimed. If he hadn't been counterclaimed, i bet that GM would have shot me and kita, he then would have made up some shit in the thread about trying to OUTWIFOM scum by protecting a townie. this would have secured an easy win.
had gm not claimed medic as scum, he would have either shot us and missed, or shot a random townie with a small chance of hitting medic/jailkeeper. this would have left both us and the medic alive, given the parity cop a 3rd check. 3 checks in a game this size on a parity cop is really bad for scum.
so yeah i think GM is scum. the optimal move for gm was to shoot chaoser, the optimal move for anyone was to shoot the medic.
that said, why would town gm claim medic. To draw a hit? What reason did gm have to think there wasnt another blue? GM would know that scum would not risk a no kill to kill a parity cop. GM would know that scum knew a parity cop with 2 checks is not that dangerous, not enough to risk a blocked shot.
If gm was town, why would he have argued with the obviously town chaoser instead of just saying he was trying to draw a hit? he would've known it was town vs town and that if he kept this up we would almost certainly lose the game.
tldr gm is scum
dont vote tho please
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GODDAMNIT GM WHY FAKECLAIM AS TOWN THE NIGHT BEFORE LYLO JESUS CHRIST
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