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On November 09 2011 01:29 chaoser wrote:Show nested quote +On November 09 2011 01:24 GMarshal wrote:On November 09 2011 01:22 chaoser wrote:
Also Gm fucked up his claim, it's DOCTOR, not MEDIC Sure thing scum. Its easy, whichever of us is alive in the morning is mafia. My question to you is why would you counter claim now, at night, rather than wait to see if I'm alive in the morning? Ooops ^_^ My guess? You're fucked and now can neither kill me nor can you kill yourself. If I really WAS mafia I would have just shot you, there's no REASON for me to counter claim at night if I was mafia. Which is why I did it =]
Or, you could have waited till morning pointed out how the medic was still alive you are the medic and I should die. or get shot and expose me as a liar. Instead you "counterclaim"? I think this is scum that is uncomfortable with the idea of a 66% chance of losing a member tomorrow ^_^
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On November 09 2011 01:35 chaoser wrote:Show nested quote +On November 09 2011 01:30 GMarshal wrote:On November 09 2011 01:26 chaoser wrote:On November 09 2011 01:22 kitaman27 wrote:
psst chaoser you're not supposed to counter claim until tomorrow Got antsy with the trigger finger. And my breadcrumbs, unless you're saying in the few minutes between GM's claim and my claim that I was somehow able to find and make up four different breadcrumbs based on three different TV shows involving doctors (E.R, scrubs, Doogie Howser), I'm the real doctor and he's the fake. He even messed up his claim, claiming medic when it's doctor. 1 Mafia Goon, 1 Mafia Role Cop, 5 Vanilla Townies, Parity Cop, Doctor. Fever, I didn't even confirm it with my role PM. Now why would you ever counterclaim NOW if town? Clearly you are scum. Also why would I claim medic as scum, NOW? so that people lynch me when I'm not dead in the morning? Especially with bugs giving me such a nice way out with his post about how the medic shouldn't claim? My claim makes sense, your counter claim makes none. Here's why you'd claim "medic" now as scum. You get kita/red to check you and then not die and give the excuse that mafia didn't want to kill you so that kita/red can't confirm their check. That's the main reason. There's other reasons like trying to see people's reactions and such but the main one is the one I just listed. Now, why would I, if I was scum, counter claim you at night? Counter claiming at night at this point is more advantageous to town than it is to mafia. Mafia now will either decide to shoot me and when I flip, out you. Or they can decide NOT to shoot me in which case It becomes a me v you lynch tomorrow which I am sure I'll win due to your mistake about your role and also my superior breadcrumbs.
I repeat, why the hell would I claim medic as scum? When there is a pretty decent chance that there is a second blue to counter claim?
Imagine this, I claim medic, then the mafia doesn't shoot me, they instead shoot, say RoL, RoL flips jailkeeper. Then I'm fucked, anally. Or this happens, except during the day. There are two possibilities, either you are scum trying to counterclaim or a townie trying to save my ass. Either way its horrible play and probably going to get you lynched when I get shot.
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On November 09 2011 01:43 chaoser wrote:What happened to that fever and being hardly able to even string coherent sentences together? Thought you were going to collapse? I'm 100% doctor and GM is 100% lying. There's NO reason for mafia to COUNTER CLAIM AT NIGHT. If I was mafia, I'd not shoot you and COUNTER CLAIM IN THE MORNING. Show nested quote +I repeat, why the hell would I claim medic as scum? When there is a pretty decent chance that there is a second blue to counter claim?
You asked me why you would claim "medic" as scum at night and yet you can't even answer why I would counterclaim at night if I was scum. The answer? There's no advantage at this point for mafia to counterclaim at night. At all. Come on, list some reasons for why mafia would want to counter claim at night compared to counterclaiming in the morning. I don't even care if it's WIFOM. Just give me some.
I'm still hardly able to write coherent sentences.
If you were scum you'd still shoot me at night and not bother with a counter claim at all. My brain is fuzzy right now, because you are right, you are making no sense. I'm the medic, I know this for a fact, there is no possible way you can be, yet you seem determined to insist that you are?! When I get shot and flip blue you are going to have to explain yourself to an angry lynch mob and that makes no sense to me from a scum perspective.
Then again, you always did like fakeclaiming, maybe this is some insane townie play to get the mafia to shoot you instead, and when you flip green win the game or something. I don't even know.
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On November 09 2011 01:52 chaoser wrote:Show nested quote +On November 09 2011 01:43 chaoser wrote:What happened to that fever and being hardly able to even string coherent sentences together? Thought you were going to collapse? I'm 100% doctor and GM is 100% lying. There's NO reason for mafia to COUNTER CLAIM AT NIGHT. If I was mafia, I'd not shoot you and COUNTER CLAIM IN THE MORNING. I repeat, why the hell would I claim medic as scum? When there is a pretty decent chance that there is a second blue to counter claim?
You asked me why you would claim "medic" as scum at night and yet you can't even answer why I would counterclaim at night if I was scum. The answer? There's no advantage at this point for mafia to counterclaim at night. At all. Come on, list some reasons for why mafia would want to counter claim at night compared to counterclaiming in the morning. I don't even care if it's WIFOM. Just give me some. If I was actually mafia and a doctor claimed at night I would: Choice 1) Don't say shit, shoot you and then see kita's checks. Then argue it there. Choice 2) Don't say shit, let Kita/Red check you and kill someone else. Then counter claim in the morning saying I'm actually the doctor. At least I had have two choices that aren't connected But now that I've counterclaimed, the first choice would be fucked if I was mafia since by killing you I'd have killed myself (via lynch). So the only way I can go about it is to argue. Why, as mafia, would I decide to close my own choices and restrict myself? Also, if I counterclaim now you probably won't kill me since when I flip, you'd be fucked as a fake claim. So I get to live to protect another day.
I'm done arguing with you, its a waste of time, I'm assuming you are some kind of insane VT or scum at this point. When I die you are fucked, if I don't die, well then we'll lynch you and mafia will be fucked ^_^
If you die you will either flip red or green, proving I am the medic.
Its win win for me!
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On November 09 2011 02:32 chaoser wrote:Show nested quote +On November 09 2011 02:22 wherebugsgo wrote:
Lol wtf just happened?
I guess we have a guaranteed lynch tomorrow? 95% chance chaoser is scum still IMO. That counterclaim makes no sense unless he's specifically trying to paint GM as scum.
Nipple is probably scum #2. LOL. WBG/Rad + GM/Crofty as scum. Calling it. So you're saying I'm mafia when not only do I have way more planned out breadcrumbs but also GM misclaimed his role as medic instead of doctor? That's a surefire lynch in any other game WBG. You of all people should have picked up on that.
Role that protects people at night. Name is irrelevant. I've checked my role PM all of once, and that was to see, "hey cool, I get to protect people"
I really hope you are a suicidal townie and not scum, I respect your scum play too much to think you would random counterclaim like this.
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Well it should be obvious I fakeclaimed as town to try to save the medic.
IN no scenario does it make sense for me to claim medic, at night, as scum, because in the best case scenario something like this happens. However as town it means I get to
1.) Save the real medic if he exists
2.) Give the DT a check, either by having him check me and dying or by letting him live and check someone else.
In the scenario in which no other blue exist, I gave the dt basically a free check into a pool of 3 players. In a scenario in which a medic exists, the game becomes unwinnable for mafia, unless the medic counterclaims at night. Which chaoser did.
If you examine the motivation behind the claim, there is no logic to it as scum, none. There is no reason I would risk a counterclaim like that or you know, a blue dying at night or CALLING FOR THE DT TO CHECK ME, if I were scum and not in a mental asylum.
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On November 09 2011 09:33 kitaman27 wrote:
GM. Who should we lynch today?
at this point I'm going to say wbg. He was very carefully giggling to himself and trying to set up the GM/chaoser dichotomy this morning.
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On November 09 2011 09:36 wherebugsgo wrote:Show nested quote +On November 09 2011 09:31 GMarshal wrote:
Well it should be obvious I fakeclaimed as town to try to save the medic.
IN no scenario does it make sense for me to claim medic, at night, as scum, because in the best case scenario something like this happens. However as town it means I get to
1.) Save the real medic if he exists
2.) Give the DT a check, either by having him check me and dying or by letting him live and check someone else.
In the scenario in which no other blue exist, I gave the dt basically a free check into a pool of 3 players. In a scenario in which a medic exists, the game becomes unwinnable for mafia, unless the medic counterclaims at night. Which chaoser did.
If you examine the motivation behind the claim, there is no logic to it as scum, none. There is no reason I would risk a counterclaim like that or you know, a blue dying at night or CALLING FOR THE DT TO CHECK ME, if I were scum and not in a mental asylum. Didn't take a clairvoyant to see this load of shit coming. Tell me, if you're town fake claiming, why did scum shoot chaoser and not you? You claimed first, if you're both town then you are the one who should've died. Then tell us in what situation a town fake claim helps town? One mislynch and the game is over. Your fakeclaim has created so much WIFOM it's still unknown who the last scumteam is. In other words, it's an excellent gamble to out the medic (if there is one) and ensure the PC dies before the last crucial day when your scumbuddy can simply ride the bus to victory.
Yeah, right, keep twisting things.
Lets see how this helps town, shall we?
Assume a doctor exists. He does not counterclaim at night, I get shot
you have
1 dt check that went off
1 dt
= 2 confirmed townies
if the medic claims and can prove it through crumbs you either have 3 confirmed townies or 2 confirmed townies and a red check.
Next night mafia has to shoot doc + 1 dt check into a pool of 2 player, its gg
even if a medic *doesn't* exist as long as the other blue doesn't conterclaim/exist I'm still buying a dt check into a pool of 4 players with my life. 50% chance of hitting scum.
Basically as long as the blue waited to counterclaim (which any sensible blue would do) I was buying us *at least* a free dt check, an instant victory if a medic existed and did not counterclaim.
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On November 09 2011 09:43 wherebugsgo wrote:Show nested quote +On November 09 2011 09:38 GMarshal wrote:On November 09 2011 09:36 wherebugsgo wrote:On November 09 2011 09:31 GMarshal wrote:
Well it should be obvious I fakeclaimed as town to try to save the medic.
IN no scenario does it make sense for me to claim medic, at night, as scum, because in the best case scenario something like this happens. However as town it means I get to
1.) Save the real medic if he exists
2.) Give the DT a check, either by having him check me and dying or by letting him live and check someone else.
In the scenario in which no other blue exist, I gave the dt basically a free check into a pool of 3 players. In a scenario in which a medic exists, the game becomes unwinnable for mafia, unless the medic counterclaims at night. Which chaoser did.
If you examine the motivation behind the claim, there is no logic to it as scum, none. There is no reason I would risk a counterclaim like that or you know, a blue dying at night or CALLING FOR THE DT TO CHECK ME, if I were scum and not in a mental asylum. Didn't take a clairvoyant to see this load of shit coming. Tell me, if you're town fake claiming, why did scum shoot chaoser and not you? You claimed first, if you're both town then you are the one who should've died. Then tell us in what situation a town fake claim helps town? One mislynch and the game is over. Your fakeclaim has created so much WIFOM it's still unknown who the last scumteam is. In other words, it's an excellent gamble to out the medic (if there is one) and ensure the PC dies before the last crucial day when your scumbuddy can simply ride the bus to victory. Yeah, right, keep twisting things. Lets see how this helps town, shall we? Assume a doctor exists. He does not counterclaim at night, I get shot you have 1 dt check that went off 1 dt = 2 confirmed townies if the medic claims and can prove it through crumbs you either have 3 confirmed townies or 2 confirmed townies and a red check. Next night mafia has to shoot doc + 1 dt check into a pool of 2 player, its gg even if a medic *doesn't* exist as long as the other blue doesn't conterclaim/exist I'm still buying a dt check into a pool of 4 players with my life. 50% chance of hitting scum. Basically as long as the blue waited to counterclaim (which any sensible blue would do) I was buying us *at least* a free dt check, an instant victory if a medic existed and did not counterclaim. Everything after this line: Matters for shit because 1. Chaoser counterclaimed and 2. You're still alive. The rest of your post is basically a jab at chaoser for counterclaiming you because it outed you as scum, and then total ignorance as to how a parity cop would work. A parity cop doesn't give you scum or town unless you get very specific checks off. It just gives you parity, and quite frankly we don't know what kind of information the PC has. Nice WIFOM, GM, nice WIFOM.
I did not expect the medic to go full retard. Sorry, but any sane medic would have waited till morning, you know so he could get the protect off?
Also parity cop gives you parity! Yes, very good! Which means that once you have a dead check you are as good as a regular cop!
Explain to me how my actions make more sense as scum than as town? You can't because my move makes NO sense as scum. With a solid counterclaim come day I'm dead because I didn't get shot! Why would I ever run that risk, when there is a 2/3 chance of another blue and if I *don't* die theres a pretty large chance I'll get lynched for it.
You are stretching trying to get the mislynch off, because you expected a quick hammer.
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On November 09 2011 09:47 GreYMisT wrote:Show nested quote +On November 09 2011 09:38 GMarshal wrote:On November 09 2011 09:36 wherebugsgo wrote:On November 09 2011 09:31 GMarshal wrote:
Well it should be obvious I fakeclaimed as town to try to save the medic.
IN no scenario does it make sense for me to claim medic, at night, as scum, because in the best case scenario something like this happens. However as town it means I get to
1.) Save the real medic if he exists
2.) Give the DT a check, either by having him check me and dying or by letting him live and check someone else.
In the scenario in which no other blue exist, I gave the dt basically a free check into a pool of 3 players. In a scenario in which a medic exists, the game becomes unwinnable for mafia, unless the medic counterclaims at night. Which chaoser did.
If you examine the motivation behind the claim, there is no logic to it as scum, none. There is no reason I would risk a counterclaim like that or you know, a blue dying at night or CALLING FOR THE DT TO CHECK ME, if I were scum and not in a mental asylum. Didn't take a clairvoyant to see this load of shit coming. Tell me, if you're town fake claiming, why did scum shoot chaoser and not you? You claimed first, if you're both town then you are the one who should've died. Then tell us in what situation a town fake claim helps town? One mislynch and the game is over. Your fakeclaim has created so much WIFOM it's still unknown who the last scumteam is. In other words, it's an excellent gamble to out the medic (if there is one) and ensure the PC dies before the last crucial day when your scumbuddy can simply ride the bus to victory. Yeah, right, keep twisting things. Lets see how this helps town, shall we? Assume a doctor exists. He does not counterclaim at night, I get shot you have 1 dt check that went off 1 dt = 2 confirmed townies if the medic claims and can prove it through crumbs you either have 3 confirmed townies or 2 confirmed townies and a red check. Next night mafia has to shoot doc + 1 dt check into a pool of 2 player, its gg even if a medic *doesn't* exist as long as the other blue doesn't conterclaim/exist I'm still buying a dt check into a pool of 4 players with my life. 50% chance of hitting scum. Basically as long as the blue waited to counterclaim (which any sensible blue would do) I was buying us *at least* a free dt check, an instant victory if a medic existed and did not counterclaim. The problem is that nothing apparently went according to plan. Instead of talking about what should have been, let's talk about what is happening now. You should understand the depth of a hole you are in. You think WBG is scum. Who is the other? Kita? Me? Kurumi?
It not kita, I'm pretty sure, or the game is already fucked, and I have literally nothing to go on on RoL and Kurumi. My brain feels fuzzy and I ache all over.
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On November 09 2011 09:51 wherebugsgo wrote:
Also if I was scum I wouldn't shoot chaoser. That's incredibly dumb when I wanted to lynch him all game long.
GM you fucking hosted the only game in which I was scum. You remember Nisani? We kept pushing each other all game long and we left him alive, choosing to shoot others instead. Why on earth would I shoot someone I think I can lynch?
If I were scum and you and chaoser were both town I would've shot the third townie (nipple or S&G, whichever one of them is town) and then let the lynch fall between you and chaoser. Chaoser would've pushed you and all I would've needed is my scumbuddy to bandwagon with me, game over. Why as scum would I put myself in this position, where I have to fight with you about all of this WIFOM?
God your argument is terrible.
you had to shoot him or me.
If you shot me and I flipped green then gg, you lose, because chaoser would be confirmed, and kita would have gotten off a check, and you had no way of preventing a check the following night. So you either made the correct guess or more likely your rolecop had checked one of me or chaoser, and you seized the chance.
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On November 09 2011 09:50 redFF wrote:
gm why didnt you tell us this at night.
Because if I did it would invalidate the ENTIRE POINT of claiming doctor, I could still conceivably win the game for town, as long as the mafia shot me, and not chaoser, which is why I insisted that he had to be an insane vanilla townie and pointed out how much he liked to fakeclaim.
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On November 09 2011 09:51 redFF wrote:
also gm we didnt even know there was a doctor, so you could be scum trying to get an easy mislynch by claiming doc
Lets see, there was a 2/3 chance of another blue, those are some pretty steep odds to gamble on.
Also if I claimed doc and did not die at night, I'm pretty sure that I would be lynched.
At the very best it would be a retarded move as scum.
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On November 09 2011 09:57 wherebugsgo wrote:Show nested quote +On November 09 2011 09:49 GMarshal wrote:On November 09 2011 09:43 wherebugsgo wrote:On November 09 2011 09:38 GMarshal wrote:On November 09 2011 09:36 wherebugsgo wrote:On November 09 2011 09:31 GMarshal wrote:
Well it should be obvious I fakeclaimed as town to try to save the medic.
IN no scenario does it make sense for me to claim medic, at night, as scum, because in the best case scenario something like this happens. However as town it means I get to
1.) Save the real medic if he exists
2.) Give the DT a check, either by having him check me and dying or by letting him live and check someone else.
In the scenario in which no other blue exist, I gave the dt basically a free check into a pool of 3 players. In a scenario in which a medic exists, the game becomes unwinnable for mafia, unless the medic counterclaims at night. Which chaoser did.
If you examine the motivation behind the claim, there is no logic to it as scum, none. There is no reason I would risk a counterclaim like that or you know, a blue dying at night or CALLING FOR THE DT TO CHECK ME, if I were scum and not in a mental asylum. Didn't take a clairvoyant to see this load of shit coming. Tell me, if you're town fake claiming, why did scum shoot chaoser and not you? You claimed first, if you're both town then you are the one who should've died. Then tell us in what situation a town fake claim helps town? One mislynch and the game is over. Your fakeclaim has created so much WIFOM it's still unknown who the last scumteam is. In other words, it's an excellent gamble to out the medic (if there is one) and ensure the PC dies before the last crucial day when your scumbuddy can simply ride the bus to victory. Yeah, right, keep twisting things. Lets see how this helps town, shall we? Assume a doctor exists. He does not counterclaim at night, I get shot you have 1 dt check that went off 1 dt = 2 confirmed townies if the medic claims and can prove it through crumbs you either have 3 confirmed townies or 2 confirmed townies and a red check. Next night mafia has to shoot doc + 1 dt check into a pool of 2 player, its gg even if a medic *doesn't* exist as long as the other blue doesn't conterclaim/exist I'm still buying a dt check into a pool of 4 players with my life. 50% chance of hitting scum. Basically as long as the blue waited to counterclaim (which any sensible blue would do) I was buying us *at least* a free dt check, an instant victory if a medic existed and did not counterclaim. Everything after this line: Assume a doctor exists. He does not counterclaim at night, I get shot Matters for shit because 1. Chaoser counterclaimed and 2. You're still alive. The rest of your post is basically a jab at chaoser for counterclaiming you because it outed you as scum, and then total ignorance as to how a parity cop would work. A parity cop doesn't give you scum or town unless you get very specific checks off. It just gives you parity, and quite frankly we don't know what kind of information the PC has. Nice WIFOM, GM, nice WIFOM. I did not expect the medic to go full retard. Sorry, but any sane medic would have waited till morning, you know so he could get the protect off? Also parity cop gives you parity! Yes, very good! Which means that once you have a dead check you are as good as a regular cop! Explain to me how my actions make more sense as scum than as town? You can't because my move makes NO sense as scum. With a solid counterclaim come day I'm dead because I didn't get shot! Why would I ever run that risk, when there is a 2/3 chance of another blue and if I *don't* die theres a pretty large chance I'll get lynched for it. You are stretching trying to get the mislynch off, because you expected a quick hammer. You act as if you have no concept of a scum gamble. Scum gambles, kills the medic, your scumbuddy busses you, and then town is in a tough spot when the DT dies and they have 0 information to go on the last day. It's basically a coinflip for both the townies in that situation. Show nested quote +On November 09 2011 09:54 GMarshal wrote:On November 09 2011 09:51 wherebugsgo wrote:
Also if I was scum I wouldn't shoot chaoser. That's incredibly dumb when I wanted to lynch him all game long.
GM you fucking hosted the only game in which I was scum. You remember Nisani? We kept pushing each other all game long and we left him alive, choosing to shoot others instead. Why on earth would I shoot someone I think I can lynch?
If I were scum and you and chaoser were both town I would've shot the third townie (nipple or S&G, whichever one of them is town) and then let the lynch fall between you and chaoser. Chaoser would've pushed you and all I would've needed is my scumbuddy to bandwagon with me, game over. Why as scum would I put myself in this position, where I have to fight with you about all of this WIFOM?
God your argument is terrible. you had to shoot him or me. If you shot me and I flipped green then gg, you lose, because chaoser would be confirmed, and kita would have gotten off a check, and you had no way of preventing a check the following night. So you either made the correct guess or more likely your rolecop had checked one of me or chaoser, and you seized the chance. Once again, why would I shoot you or chaoser when I could shoot nipple/S&G?Scum only need one mislynch today. If you and chaoser were both town, I could shoot that other townie and then sheep chaoser to victory. He even repeatedly said that he would insta-vote you. Your logic is terrible and you know it. You need to die.
How the fuck do I know who the medic is if he sensibly waits till morning to counterclaim? this would be a retarded gamble
Right, you could have, except if you fail to get the mislynch, by say kita having a red check, then you automatically lose, as I've said. You HAD to shoot one of me and chaoser to avoid that.
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On November 09 2011 10:02 redFF wrote:
but gm didnt your perspective change when you were counterclaimed? Surely you knew that you would be lynched 100% once you were counterclaimed.
gm you really fucked this up goddamnit lol
It did, but if I could persuade the mafia to hit me, we would win anyway, which meant I had to keep up the pretense of being the medic till the day post. If I got shot then scum could no longer win the game. If anyone else got shot and I could get chaoser to follow my reasoning or you and kita had a successful red check, the game was also basically won.
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On November 09 2011 10:03 redFF wrote:Show nested quote +On November 09 2011 10:02 GMarshal wrote:On November 09 2011 09:57 wherebugsgo wrote:On November 09 2011 09:49 GMarshal wrote:On November 09 2011 09:43 wherebugsgo wrote:On November 09 2011 09:38 GMarshal wrote:On November 09 2011 09:36 wherebugsgo wrote:On November 09 2011 09:31 GMarshal wrote:
Well it should be obvious I fakeclaimed as town to try to save the medic.
IN no scenario does it make sense for me to claim medic, at night, as scum, because in the best case scenario something like this happens. However as town it means I get to
1.) Save the real medic if he exists
2.) Give the DT a check, either by having him check me and dying or by letting him live and check someone else.
In the scenario in which no other blue exist, I gave the dt basically a free check into a pool of 3 players. In a scenario in which a medic exists, the game becomes unwinnable for mafia, unless the medic counterclaims at night. Which chaoser did.
If you examine the motivation behind the claim, there is no logic to it as scum, none. There is no reason I would risk a counterclaim like that or you know, a blue dying at night or CALLING FOR THE DT TO CHECK ME, if I were scum and not in a mental asylum. Didn't take a clairvoyant to see this load of shit coming. Tell me, if you're town fake claiming, why did scum shoot chaoser and not you? You claimed first, if you're both town then you are the one who should've died. Then tell us in what situation a town fake claim helps town? One mislynch and the game is over. Your fakeclaim has created so much WIFOM it's still unknown who the last scumteam is. In other words, it's an excellent gamble to out the medic (if there is one) and ensure the PC dies before the last crucial day when your scumbuddy can simply ride the bus to victory. Yeah, right, keep twisting things. Lets see how this helps town, shall we? Assume a doctor exists. He does not counterclaim at night, I get shot you have 1 dt check that went off 1 dt = 2 confirmed townies if the medic claims and can prove it through crumbs you either have 3 confirmed townies or 2 confirmed townies and a red check. Next night mafia has to shoot doc + 1 dt check into a pool of 2 player, its gg even if a medic *doesn't* exist as long as the other blue doesn't conterclaim/exist I'm still buying a dt check into a pool of 4 players with my life. 50% chance of hitting scum. Basically as long as the blue waited to counterclaim (which any sensible blue would do) I was buying us *at least* a free dt check, an instant victory if a medic existed and did not counterclaim. Everything after this line: Assume a doctor exists. He does not counterclaim at night, I get shot Matters for shit because 1. Chaoser counterclaimed and 2. You're still alive. The rest of your post is basically a jab at chaoser for counterclaiming you because it outed you as scum, and then total ignorance as to how a parity cop would work. A parity cop doesn't give you scum or town unless you get very specific checks off. It just gives you parity, and quite frankly we don't know what kind of information the PC has. Nice WIFOM, GM, nice WIFOM. I did not expect the medic to go full retard. Sorry, but any sane medic would have waited till morning, you know so he could get the protect off? Also parity cop gives you parity! Yes, very good! Which means that once you have a dead check you are as good as a regular cop! Explain to me how my actions make more sense as scum than as town? You can't because my move makes NO sense as scum. With a solid counterclaim come day I'm dead because I didn't get shot! Why would I ever run that risk, when there is a 2/3 chance of another blue and if I *don't* die theres a pretty large chance I'll get lynched for it. You are stretching trying to get the mislynch off, because you expected a quick hammer. You act as if you have no concept of a scum gamble. Scum gambles, kills the medic, your scumbuddy busses you, and then town is in a tough spot when the DT dies and they have 0 information to go on the last day. It's basically a coinflip for both the townies in that situation. On November 09 2011 09:54 GMarshal wrote:On November 09 2011 09:51 wherebugsgo wrote:
Also if I was scum I wouldn't shoot chaoser. That's incredibly dumb when I wanted to lynch him all game long.
GM you fucking hosted the only game in which I was scum. You remember Nisani? We kept pushing each other all game long and we left him alive, choosing to shoot others instead. Why on earth would I shoot someone I think I can lynch?
If I were scum and you and chaoser were both town I would've shot the third townie (nipple or S&G, whichever one of them is town) and then let the lynch fall between you and chaoser. Chaoser would've pushed you and all I would've needed is my scumbuddy to bandwagon with me, game over. Why as scum would I put myself in this position, where I have to fight with you about all of this WIFOM?
God your argument is terrible. you had to shoot him or me. If you shot me and I flipped green then gg, you lose, because chaoser would be confirmed, and kita would have gotten off a check, and you had no way of preventing a check the following night. So you either made the correct guess or more likely your rolecop had checked one of me or chaoser, and you seized the chance. Once again, why would I shoot you or chaoser when I could shoot nipple/S&G?Scum only need one mislynch today. If you and chaoser were both town, I could shoot that other townie and then sheep chaoser to victory. He even repeatedly said that he would insta-vote you. Your logic is terrible and you know it. You need to die. How the fuck do I know who the medic is if he sensibly waits till morning to counterclaim? this would be a retarded gambleRight, you could have, except if you fail to get the mislynch, by say kita having a red check, then you automatically lose, as I've said. You HAD to shoot one of me and chaoser to avoid that. you could have just sacrificed yourself as scum to find out who the medic is. you probably figured that we had a red check on you and you were dead anyway.
That possibility is something I had not considered. However even if that's the case it would be a stupid gamble, because it has me making 100% sure you check me. I think as scum I would have rather argued the legitimacy of your claim. Also you need to consider that if the medic/other blue waited till morning, and you went ahead and claimed your check at the day change there is no guarantee that I would even get a medic out of the deal.
Basically it would be utterly retarded too, although more plausible
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On November 09 2011 10:06 redFF wrote:Show nested quote +On November 09 2011 10:05 GMarshal wrote:On November 09 2011 10:02 redFF wrote:
but gm didnt your perspective change when you were counterclaimed? Surely you knew that you would be lynched 100% once you were counterclaimed.
gm you really fucked this up goddamnit lol It did, but if I could persuade the mafia to hit me, we would win anyway, which meant I had to keep up the pretense of being the medic till the day post. If I got shot then scum could no longer win the game. If anyone else got shot and I could get chaoser to follow my reasoning or you and kita had a successful red check, the game was also basically won. i call bs. you were so obviously not the doctor it was hilarious. you would've seen that.
That was my reasoning, there was no point to backtracking in the middle of the night, it took even the slim chance of me doing any good away.
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I know I'm not a mod or anything but
cool off people. This is a game. Played on a forum. No need to make it personal.
With that said I apologize for any insults I may have tossed around.
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On November 09 2011 10:24 wherebugsgo wrote:Show nested quote +On November 09 2011 10:19 GreYMisT wrote:
GMarshal is saying he fake claimed medic as town to help the medic, and presented the ultimatum "lynch whichever one of us is alive"
. this times 500
Because I would totally do that as scum and then shoot chaoser.
Totally.
I also enjoy claiming godfather day 1.
Anyway, I'm done explaining myself unless people have specific questions, it should be pretty clear how my actions could pretty much only come from a town viewpoint, unless you are accusing me of playing scum as well as I play a banjo with my feet.
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On November 09 2011 10:29 GreYMisT wrote:Show nested quote +On November 09 2011 10:28 GMarshal wrote:On November 09 2011 10:24 wherebugsgo wrote:On November 09 2011 10:19 GreYMisT wrote:
GMarshal is saying he fake claimed medic as town to help the medic, and presented the ultimatum "lynch whichever one of us is alive"
. this times 500 Because I would totally do that as scum and then shoot chaoser. Totally. I also enjoy claiming godfather day 1. Anyway, I'm done explaining myself unless people have specific questions, it should be pretty clear how my actions could pretty much only come from a town viewpoint, unless you are accusing me of playing scum as well as I play a banjo with my feet. Show nested quote +On November 09 2011 10:21 GreYMisT wrote:
GM, I know you have been busy with the whole "trying not to get killed" thing, but what do you think about red21 withholding info? you have yet to mention it at all. Could you answer this please? it got lost in the potatoes post.
I think they are plotting something with the info they have. Letting it play out. Its not a bad way to use it, I can't wait to see what trap they spring, because at this point its pretty much the only chance we have to pull out of this mess which I have managed to make
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