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Ace
United States16096 Posts
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wherebugsgo
Japan10647 Posts
Currently, Radfield leads the mayoral candidacy with 6 votes. HOWEVER, Radfield is a terrible candidate and should NOT be allowed into office. If you are voting Radfield please strongly reconsider your vote and take your vote off of him. Vote GreyMist or Mig instead. The optimal situation is if we can get Mig/Greymist to 7/8 votes each. We need both of these guys elected to office. I think both are town, and we need townies in office, not Radfield. Currently I suspect any voters on Radfield, and I will continue to do so until you have provided adequate reason for me to think you are not suspicious. I repeat, WE CANNOT ALLOW RADFIELD TO BE ELECTED. | ||
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prplhz
Denmark8045 Posts
anyway i like rad the most ##Vote Radfield | ||
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wherebugsgo
Japan10647 Posts
are you dumb or scum, prpl? | ||
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deconduo
Ireland4122 Posts
On October 15 2011 18:03 wherebugsgo wrote: After some extended and heated discussion in PMs I think it's best that this go in the thread. Currently, Radfield leads the mayoral candidacy with 6 votes. HOWEVER, Radfield is a terrible candidate and should NOT be allowed into office. If you are voting Radfield please strongly reconsider your vote and take your vote off of him. Vote GreyMist or Mig instead. The optimal situation is if we can get Mig/Greymist to 7/8 votes each. We need both of these guys elected to office. I think both are town, and we need townies in office, not Radfield. Currently I suspect any voters on Radfield, and I will continue to do so until you have provided adequate reason for me to think you are not suspicious. I repeat, WE CANNOT ALLOW RADFIELD TO BE ELECTED. You keep saying that but you haven't given any reasons why. Apart from draft position what makes greymist a better candidate? If its just gut instinct, why should I go by yours instead of my own? | ||
Mig
United States4714 Posts
However, I am still the best candidate to be mayor. I have talked to a huge amount of the town at length on irc/skype/etc. Does anyone who has talked to me think I am scum? Everyone I have talked to for a long time thinks I am probably town. So if anyone thinks I am scum then please post in the thread and why. Right now there are only 3 real candidates me/greymist/radfield. Radfield is a very good player but some people do suspect him, some people trust greymist but to be fair he is a new player. I on the other hand most people think I am town and I am a good veteran player. And as I said in my original mayor post I am very very transparent and it is easy to tell when I am town. So if anyone disagrees with this and thinks I am scum from talking to me I would really like to hear it. Anyway at this point all mayor candidates should have a good idea who they will lynch day 1 If I am elected mayor I intend on lynching chaoser. Chaoser - First of all ran for mayor which I believe should automatically be seen as suspicious since the scum teams have a very strong motivation to all run. Along with that his posting and scum hunting has been well below his normal levels. When I asked him about this in skype he gave reasons such as, being busy at work and not being used to pm games. These reasons could be true but normally chaoser is very very confident when he plays. I find it weird that he feels he has to justify his play with outside reasons at all when normally I think he would just brush it off. After that I asked chaoser who he suspected was scum and he came up with his attack on db. His attack on db was extremely half-assed and poorly thought out, way way below his normal excellent scum hunting ability. In fact just a few minutes later he back peddled on db deciding he was wrong. When I said ok well who is scum then and he just gave me a vague criteria he finds suspicious but no solid names and no other names. Normally chaoser is a very strong scum hunter, he even bragged about it as the main reason to vote him in his mayor post. So where is the scum hunting? Finally from the people I have talked to most of them support chaoser being lynched. This might normally be a red flag but I think it is actually good in this setup. The other 2 scum teams will be actively scum hunting during the day to appear pro town and to eliminate their competition and I believe they have also come to the conclusion that chaoser is scum. Chaoser has done 1 very half assed attempt at scum hunting and nothing else. He has given the town 0 strong opinions on anyone. He feels the need to make excuses to justify his play and is overall just very scummy he needs to die! Vote Mig for mayor and a chaoser lynch! | ||
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wherebugsgo
Japan10647 Posts
On October 15 2011 19:11 deconduo wrote: You keep saying that but you haven't given any reasons why. Apart from draft position what makes greymist a better candidate? If its just gut instinct, why should I go by yours instead of my own? It's not gut instinct. Have you even PMed GreYMisT? What makes Radfield a better choice than Mig? What makes Radfield a good mayor choice? lol... Honestly I find it weird that at 3 of my strongest scum reads are voting him right now. Either Radfield is a townie and some scum are tying themselves to him, or he's scum and they're trying to get him into office. I have no idea why kenpachi is voting him though. Kenpachi's just weird I guess. | ||
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wherebugsgo
Japan10647 Posts
It seems like a good way to relieve suspicion on himself; as scum that's a great way to get yourself into office. I also don't doubt that Radfield is good at scum seeing as he completely convinced sandroba he was town in LoTR through PMs. Electing Radfield into office is basically a gamble. We gamble that he's town and he potentially gets protection, or that he's scum and so we get him off the candidacy list. I don't think we can be sure of Radfield's alignment this early in the game and so we should go with the two candidates we CAN be sure of, GreYMisT and Mig. Mig is really transparent and obvious town, GreYMisT is a relatively new player so I'd find it extraordinarily unlikely he's scum based on the things he's said and done both in thread and in PM. | ||
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deconduo
Ireland4122 Posts
On October 15 2011 19:28 wherebugsgo wrote: It's not gut instinct. Have you even PMed GreYMisT? What makes Radfield a better choice than Mig? What makes Radfield a good mayor choice? lol... Honestly I find it weird that at 3 of my strongest scum reads are voting him right now. Either Radfield is a townie and some scum are tying themselves to him, or he's scum and they're trying to get him into office. I have no idea why kenpachi is voting him though. Kenpachi's just weird I guess. Has greymist even PMed me? I've played games with Radfield before and I know he's a good scumhunter. I know mig is good too, however I haven't been impressed with mig's posts so far. He seems to be out of it a bit. On top of this Radfield is the only mayoral candidate who took the initiative and PMed me. That was enough to give him my vote. I haven't a clue who greymist is and his entire campaign is 'Everyone else running is bad lolz' I know you think radfield is scummy but you honestly think he's a better candidate than mig? As far as I can tell he's just some nobody so no way am I voting for him. Never seen him play a game before so why should I vote for him. He has done nothing to convinve me of anything. | ||
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deconduo
Ireland4122 Posts
On October 15 2011 19:35 wherebugsgo wrote: also, you don't find it odd that Radfield said that the scumteams would be running candidates for mayor, then he ran himself? It seems like a good way to relieve suspicion on himself; as scum that's a great way to get yourself into office. I also don't doubt that Radfield is good at scum seeing as he completely convinced sandroba he was town in LoTR through PMs. Electing Radfield into office is basically a gamble. We gamble that he's town and he potentially gets protection, or that he's scum and so we get him off the candidacy list. I don't think we can be sure of Radfield's alignment this early in the game and so we should go with the two candidates we CAN be sure of, GreYMisT and Mig. Mig is really transparent and obvious town, GreYMisT is a relatively new player so I'd find it extraordinarily unlikely he's scum based on the things he's said and done both in thread and in PM. This is a much better post. You should have started with this. However: -I don't find it suspicious, I expected Radfield to run for mayor no matter what. -I disagree that mig is really transparent, I'm pretty suspicious of his play so far. I would expect him to be scum much more than radfield. -Thats not enough for me to elect greymist. I'm not going to go by your word that in PMs he's super town. Similarly his posts in thread haven't done enough to convince me to vote for a newbie. | ||
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Cyber_Cheese
Australia3615 Posts
I think someone we see as the best choice should come second and be pardoner, and I think greymist can secure enough votes to do that, and out of the others wiggles is my second preference. | ||
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Mig
United States4714 Posts
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wherebugsgo
Japan10647 Posts
On October 15 2011 19:37 deconduo wrote: Has greymist even PMed me? I've played games with Radfield before and I know he's a good scumhunter. I know mig is good too, however I haven't been impressed with mig's posts so far. He seems to be out of it a bit. On top of this Radfield is the only mayoral candidate who took the initiative and PMed me. That was enough to give him my vote. I haven't a clue who greymist is and his entire campaign is 'Everyone else running is bad lolz' I know you think radfield is scummy but you honestly think he's a better candidate than mig? As far as I can tell he's just some nobody so no way am I voting for him. Never seen him play a game before so why should I vote for him. He has done nothing to convinve me of anything. I don't see why anyone would ever PM you in this game lol | ||
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sandroba
Canada4998 Posts
Also many of you are being extreme hypocrites when you acuse me on trusting 2 players based on the pm game and just one second later you do the same to a different player. Way to contradict yourselves. | ||
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wherebugsgo
Japan10647 Posts
You trusted Mig because syllo trusted Mig. That's dumb logic. | ||
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Ace
United States16096 Posts
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Arctocod
Norway251 Posts
Here are my observations. With no disrespect to Greymist, he is not a veteran and has yet to show himself to be excellent at Mafia. I find it extremely weird that anyone is supporting him into office, because there's nothing more dangerous to the mafia than a very good player who cannot be killed. This is something I'd expect experienced players to recognize. The fact that this is being ignored and a newbie is being voted into position is simply based on fear of what if either Radfield or Mig is scum. Here is something interesting. I think we can all agree that the trio of Syllogism, Mig and Sandroba is composed of some of the best players in this game. It is highly unlikely they'd support each other so openly if they were on the same scumteam, not to mention the possibility of those three friends getting mixed up in one team is very slim. So this means that at least 1-2 of them are pushing the Mig candidacy with honest intentions. After having spoken extensively with all of them I am convinced Syllogism is town, and I think Mig is town. Sandroba is a bit more shady, but he is pushing something logical. I do not mind people not agreeing about the conclusion that Mig is the best choice, I do however really not want a new player voted into office, that's directly pushing mafia agenda as the best way for mafia to deal with a strong town double voter is to make sure the position is badly manned. I want to iterate this: The second best choice for any mafia family after putting one of their own into position, is to put a weak player into position. I am especially surprised to see Foolishness cast his vote away like that. Someone who is as capable as he is at this game, someone who can tell scum from town with real ease, should definitely share his reads and explain to us why we should be voting the same way as he does. | ||
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Radfield
Canada2720 Posts
Good reasons have been presented: *Ran for mayor then did absolutely nothing to try and get elected *Sat on the sidelines and sniped at posts, without actually trying to improve the atmosphere. *weak weak case on Dropbear. Dropbear was talking about the Framer role before the game even began, and anyone who read his filter would be able to see that. He obviously wanted the role, and seemed to think he could redirect mafia KP with it(which is a very pro-town mindset). Once he found out he could not, he backed down. He also mentioned to someone that he wanted to use the role for the lols, which I can understand, as many players feel the same about the bus driver role. Chaoser, did you try contacting DB outside of the thread before posting your case? So, now that your head is on the chopping block, what are your thoughts Chaoser? ___________________ I am ok with the idea of Greymist as an elected role, but I am strongly against Jimbo. I'll post the PM I wrote to him detailing my suspicions: The main reason I think you are scummy, is that you built a case based on taking quotes out of context, and on seemingly deliberately focusing on what was literally said, as opposed to the intended meaning of the comments. Reading your log with Sandro, I didn't feel like you thought he was scummy, but then you came out in the thread an made a big case against him, ignoring the obvious pro-town contributions he made earlier. He put a lot of effort into pushing through his plan and his plan is a good one. You also painted me as scummy/suspicious based on a quote that we had already discussed. Whether you claim you did this inadvertently is irrelevant. You also seemed to backtrack hard once sandro responded to you, going so far as to state your intention was not to paint sandro as scum, when it obviously was. It's possible you are town, and it's possible you were just knee-jerking, but at this point i'm still leaning scum on you. Nothing personal, and i'm always willing to change my opinions given additional evidence He has responded to this, and I will admit I am slighty less suspicious of him at the moment than I was. However, I am still suspicious, and on top of that I think it is very bad policy to elect someone with one of the top slots. At pick number 3, Jimbo can basically assume that the top players took Inventor/JOAT. If he is scum, that means he has his pick of scum roles, many of which are very very bad if combined with Mayor. Hero, Godfather, Framer, etc. Not to mention that killing Sandro at this stage is extremely short-sighted. JImbo is basing his entire case on the idea that Sandro is pushing scum motives: promotion of not analyzing, scumhunting etc. But this is false, and deliberately missing the forest for the trees. Sandro is making a point, and trying to show that promoting defensive roles is the optimum choice for town, in addition to trying to find townies, not mafia. Because the more townies we can protect, the more mafia will shoot at each other. I freely admit that Sandro has done a poor job in thread over the course of Day 1. I understand his position, and other players do as well, yet I can certainly see where players are coming from when they think he is suspicious. He asked me yesterday why players thought he was suspicious: + Show Spoiler + [10/14/2011 10:12:58 PM] Sandro Maculan: yeah [10/14/2011 10:13:00 PM] Sandro Maculan: but aparently [10/14/2011 10:13:10 PM] Sandro Maculan: only a selected few can see the obvious [10/14/2011 10:13:26 PM] Sandro Maculan: and the rest actually wouldn't mind me getting lynch [10/14/2011 10:13:29 PM] Sandro Maculan: I wonder why [10/14/2011 10:17:11 PM] Mike Hadfield: because on the surface it is very strange that you accepted mig as town, just because you believed syllo [10/14/2011 10:17:29 PM] Mike Hadfield: and that you pushed Mig as lead candidate, instead of syllo [10/14/2011 10:17:59 PM] Mike Hadfield: hence, people think there is a contradiction in logic, and that something sneaky is going on [10/14/2011 10:18:12 PM] Sandro Maculan: I guess You need to get in here and clarify your position, and be active in-thread. Obviously I realize you have been active on Skype, but that's not good enough. Voting in Jimbo is a bad idea, and killing Sandro at this stage is a terrible idea. My goal, no matter what you think my alignment is, is to lynch scum today, and everyday. I'm telling you right now, that lynching Sandro is probably the least likely to fulfill that goal. | ||
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Radfield
Canada2720 Posts
On October 15 2011 18:03 wherebugsgo wrote: After some extended and heated discussion in PMs I think it's best that this go in the thread. Currently, Radfield leads the mayoral candidacy with 6 votes. HOWEVER, Radfield is a terrible candidate and should NOT be allowed into office. If you are voting Radfield please strongly reconsider your vote and take your vote off of him. Vote GreyMist or Mig instead. The optimal situation is if we can get Mig/Greymist to 7/8 votes each. We need both of these guys elected to office. I think both are town, and we need townies in office, not Radfield. Currently I suspect any voters on Radfield, and I will continue to do so until you have provided adequate reason for me to think you are not suspicious. I repeat, WE CANNOT ALLOW RADFIELD TO BE ELECTED. On October 15 2011 19:35 wherebugsgo wrote: also, you don't find it odd that Radfield said that the scumteams would be running candidates for mayor, then he ran himself? It seems like a good way to relieve suspicion on himself; as scum that's a great way to get yourself into office. I also don't doubt that Radfield is good at scum seeing as he completely convinced sandroba he was town in LoTR through PMs. Electing Radfield into office is basically a gamble. We gamble that he's town and he potentially gets protection, or that he's scum and so we get him off the candidacy list. I don't think we can be sure of Radfield's alignment this early in the game and so we should go with the two candidates we CAN be sure of, GreYMisT and Mig. Mig is really transparent and obvious town, GreYMisT is a relatively new player so I'd find it extraordinarily unlikely he's scum based on the things he's said and done both in thread and in PM. Is there an actual argument in here somewhere? Basically what you are saying is that there is a risk I may be scum, and therefore should not be mayor. But what does a scum Radfield as mayor really look like? Fact is, regardless of what you think my alignment is, you should know from my playstyle that I will be hunting scum no matter what. You may think that my role in my hands could be dangerous, but I have a role which can confirm itself(and is shown to NOT be dangerous to town), and works with great synergy as the mayor position. You're also completely ignoring the vast upside of having a pro-town Radfield in an elected slot. If I am allowed to live till late-game, which an elected position will grant me, I will undoubtedly be a game changing presence in favor of town. I am clear thinking, good at scum hunting, and excellent at keeping town discussion moving in productive directions. You may think that I can give these benefits without the protection of an elected position, but I will be dead night 1. There are 12 players actively opposed to seeing me elected. There are 12 players actively trying to cut me down and reduce my effectiveness. There are 12 players who want me dead and out of this game. Bugs, if you are NOT one of those 12 player, then you need to shape up and stop doing their work for them. Let me do my job. Your day 1 scum reads are notoriously poor, yet you always push them with reckless abandon. Take off your scum-goggles, and slow down. In LOTR you had awful reads day 1, and solid reads every day after that(in the dead QT). | ||
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Radfield
Canada2720 Posts
On October 15 2011 19:42 Cyber_Cheese wrote: I'm going to go with voting wiggles. I think someone we see as the best choice should come second and be pardoner, and I think greymist can secure enough votes to do that, and out of the others wiggles is my second preference. Why are you voting for wiggles, when he probably one of the most likely to be scum of the remaining candidates? Why are you ignoring Mig as a candidate? Also, you stated the main reason you were leaning wiggles was because he answered your questions, yet now as far as I can tell all the major candidates have stated their lynch intentions. What are your reasons for voting Wiggles now? | ||
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