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##Vote Palmar | ||
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WaW2: Curu Mafia Palmar Third Party Arkham Asylum Curu Town Palmar Third Party PTP2 Curu Town Palmar Mafia SNMMV Curu Town Palmar Mafia XLIV Curu Mafia Palmar Town Ace's Mafia Game Curu Town Palmar Mafia Since I am indeed Town in this game Palmar must be Mafia. | ||
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Except Mafia, I can't be that. | ||
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XLIII Curu Town Palmar Host LOTR Curu Host Palmar ????? | ||
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If you haven't been PMed by Mig yet, please post so in the thread. | ||
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If you take a look again at all my scum games I am very rawr rawr day 1 because I know I can get a Townie lynched and get away with it. tbh I haven't even read most of the thread yet, busy busy. | ||
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And maybe, depending on Palmar. | ||
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Still wanna lynch Palmar tbh. | ||
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Palmar is using meta arguments that are incorrect and weak to paint out Jackal as scum because of one post Jackal made. He's also being purposefully obtuse and calling me scummy because I am not playing like I was in AA (which was my first ever game, duh) which was something people seem to bring up every single game (Palmar's been a part of all of them and everyone's been wrong in every one of them). I don't think he actually believes what he is saying. I think Palmar is one of the best on TL in being able to differentiate stupidly posting Townies from scum but I'm not seeing any of it here. risk.nuke and Sevyrn have even shittier posts than me. Kenpachi is possibly a scum day Vig, I see no other reason for him to paint his name blue this time instead of green like all his other games. WBG's attack on tnkted was pretty derp. PS. sinani saying I ruin games is pretty fucking funny. This guy has goldfish memory or some shit. | ||
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But Palmar's still scum, let's kill him dead. | ||
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Let's kill Palmar already. | ||
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Then I noticed you skirting the thread and throwing out dumb accusations which pretty much validated my vote on you into a real one. Now you're very obviously scum. You're just retracing GM's scum steps in Ace's game huh. Comparing my meta here to my meta in a game with vastly different scenarios (I've even stated multiple times across multiple games that I am making my Town play less spammy from AA, which was my FIRST EVER MAFIA GAME AS TOWN). Throwing out the VE vs redFF scenario? lol, nothing similar to that has come up yet, when did I have the chance to try that this game? That and the fact that you cannot even consider the fact that posting the colours of my role PM without hesitation pretty much confirms me as Town. sup. The few games we actually have been together as Town (both Minis; Haunted House and Swedish House) I've been even more useless and one-liner-troll than I have been this game yet he was able to see me as Town there. What's changed in this game? His alignment obviously. Palmar's seen my scum play (and been able to identify it, actually, the only person in XLIV who was able to do so) and it should be obvious that what I am able to pull off as scum is much more detrimental to Town than just lurking and posting one liners. Palmar wants to use meta reasons to lynch me but he conveniently cherrypicks one game, which happened to be my first where I had no idea what I was doing, and in a completely different scenario. He then neglects to mention any of the other games I've played with him. Derp. Scum. And no PMs aren't in the OP Kurumi, you coloured the PM names blue in them but my PM is all black. My guess from his reluctance is that he actually coloured the Mafia ones red to emphasize that you are Mafia which screwed Palmar into thinking the Town PM had blue colours. | ||
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On September 29 2011 23:23 Forumite wrote: Good point. I think, that if we must focus on a pair of players and lynch the scummiest, then it´s better to lynch either of Palmar or Curu than Jackal and WBG, but if there is a fifth candidate that appears, then sure, please make that case, just as long as we do two things, stay away from Jackal and WBG for now, and FOCUS the lynch on few and likely candidates, I don´t want to see 20 players voting on 20 candidates, because that´s a game with 19 scum in it. On the Curu and Palmar, I am leaning toward Curu being the scum. I don´t have a good tell on Palmar (I haven´t analysed Mig´s case yet), while I have a very unhelpfull read on Curu. He´s not playing quite as aggressive as in the last 2 games where I played with him, where he was scum both times, but he´s admitted that he´s aware of how his metagame looked in those games, and how he´s changed it this game. If a metagame analysis doesn´t much help, then the seemingly baseless case on Palmar and his empty posts is what I have to go on. He´s not revealing any proof on why Palmar is scum but still want to lynch him, so either he´s scum or the case was based on only PM-info. I´m leaning towards Scum. What the fuck is this? I'm not playing the same as the two games I was scum with you, therefore I must be scum? Are you retarded or something? | ||
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You aren't really this derp are you? Seriously? Are you scum or is your logic/reasoning really just this ass backwards? | ||
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Then goes to on say Mig has some good points. Hey buddy, I raised pretty much the exact same points in my little spat with Palmar but you thought I was scummy for it. On September 29 2011 19:37 Curu wrote: Palmar is using meta arguments that are incorrect and weak to paint out Jackal as scum because of one post Jackal made. He's also being purposefully obtuse and calling me scummy because I am not playing like I was in AA (which was my first ever game, duh) which was something people seem to bring up every single game (Palmar's been a part of all of them and everyone's been wrong in every one of them). I don't think he actually believes what he is saying. I think Palmar is one of the best on TL in being able to differentiate stupidly posting Townies from scum but I'm not seeing any of it here. On September 29 2011 20:27 Curu wrote: Now you're very obviously scum. You're just retracing GM's scum steps in Ace's game huh. Comparing my meta here to my meta in a game with vastly different scenarios (I've even stated multiple times across multiple games that I am making my Town play less spammy from AA, which was my FIRST EVER MAFIA GAME AS TOWN). Throwing out the VE vs redFF scenario? lol, nothing similar to that has come up yet, when did I have the chance to try that this game? That and the fact that you cannot even consider the fact that posting the colours of my role PM without hesitation pretty much confirms me as Town. sup. The few games we actually have been together as Town (both Minis; Haunted House and Swedish House) I've been even more useless and one-liner-troll than I have been this game yet he was able to see me as Town there. What's changed in this game? His alignment obviously. Palmar's seen my scum play (and been able to identify it, actually, the only person in XLIV who was able to do so) and it should be obvious that what I am able to pull off as scum is much more detrimental to Town than just lurking and posting one liners. Palmar wants to use meta reasons to lynch me but he conveniently cherrypicks one game, which happened to be my first where I had no idea what I was doing, and in a completely different scenario. He then neglects to mention any of the other games I've played with him. Derp. Scum. | ||
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I'm going to ignore Forumite until he stops posting blatantly nonsensical bullshit. My play seems odd this game...well derp derp the two games you played with me I was scum. If my play seems different that should tell you I'm Town. Oh wait but WIFOM I did that on purpose ahahahahahaha no. Sevyrn is looking pretty godamn scummy but he is Sevyrn after all. I don't want to be a dick to the mods but their posts on the previous page pretty much confirm that Palmar is scum. If he was a Townie making a legitimate mistake the hosts would not have said anything at all but since it was a mistake on their part (prolly colouring the Mafia PMs red while leaving the rest black) they had to step in and post something. The only concern I had was if certain power roles were coloured and Palmar had one of those but he confirmed to me in Skype that his PM was black (actually he said it was blue first, then read my post, then changed it to black lol). | ||
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Whatever, just play like no one is getting the modkill hammer. Like I said the host situation isn't even why I thought Palmar was scum, I would have pushed this lynch regardless. | ||
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What's with your fascination on me? You wanted me lynched cause I wasn't contributing. Now I'm contributing but you still want me lynched. WBG went from "I'm watching you closely Palmar" to a reluctance to push him after a real push started on him. His case against Jackal is pure garbage, reasons like "you didn't vote in the vote thread" lol. If you want to go by meta (which you pretty much started the Jackal case on) Palmar's looks infinitely worse. | ||
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On September 30 2011 04:45 wherebugsgo wrote: Nice assumption that I haven't been watching Palmar, Curu. I haven't voted Palmar for two simple reasons, reasons I've stated multiple times already. I'll repeat them for you now just in case it hasn't been clear. 1. I think Jackal is the better lynch, since there are more things that Jackal has done to be scummy than Palmar. 2. The bandwagon on Palmar has built up way too quickly and literally no one is defending him. He's getting bussed day 1, then? I'm also reluctant to push him because there's only one reason anyone is citing for voting Palmar, and that is, he used meta incorrectly. I don't really agree that he's used meta incorrectly. Since I disagree with the sole non-game-mechanic related reason to lynch palmar I don't really care to vote him right now. Finally, I'm sorry you can't recognise sarcasm. I don't particularly care to get you lynched unless Palmar flips town. If palmar flips town then you are mafia to me because you push easy town lynches, particularly day 1, as mafia. If Palmar flips mafia then I consider Forumite to be as well. Do you not see the inconsistency with your posts? You think Palmar is not scum because the only argument against him was meta. Then you think Jackal is the best lynch because of some horrible meta case Palmar pushed on him. How the fuck is Palmar an easy lynch? He's one of the most high profile players in this game. If I wanted to push an easy lynch I would probably be riding Sevyrn or Forumite into the grave or the Nisani/sinani duo again because I'm pretty sure no matter what they will look scummy arguing with me. | ||
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Everything else is pure meta, and from a pure meta standpoint Palmar is much worse than Jackal yet you are purposely not seeing that. | ||
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I'm seriously shocked you actually think this is something scummy. | ||
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Why is him not voting for you such a big deal to you? | ||
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Your reasons for voting Jackal are complete bullshit and you call me out for mine for Palmar. lol. WBG is probably scum, he's not this stupid. | ||
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You are hilarious. | ||
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Yeah right buddy. If Palmar flips Town the one to be turbolynched is you. | ||
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You're basically saying whatever wagon I start as long as they are Town I am scum. You also say me and Mig have valid reasons for pushing Palmar but I am still scum because people agree with me. l o l | ||
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Derp. | ||
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On September 30 2011 06:09 wherebugsgo wrote: You're scum when you push an easy lynch of a TOWNIE Again: an easy lynch of a TOWNIE We don't know what Palmar is so I'm not accusing you of anything yet. Get your head out of your ass and use your fucking brain. You're saying if I lynch a Townie I must be scum because regardless of player, regardless of argument, regardless of anything if people agree with me it's somehow an easy lynch. I'm done talking with you until you grow some sense. | ||
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Suck it WBG scum. | ||
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Medics should obviously protect me and Mig, duh. | ||
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There's a chance Mig is scum yes, I'd put it at about 0.000000001%. If anything Palmar's flair for the dramatic would mean Jackal as his off-the-bat push is scum. I don't think it's like Palmar to just roll over and get himself lynched, which would mean it would have a purpose. Which would mean trying to get Jackal seen as Town in the event of his lynch; Palmar had to know with the way he was playing me and Mig would pick up on him immediately. There's the possibility that Palmar is aware of his bus-scum-day-1 meta but sacrificing himself to get a Townie Jackal lynched is completely worthless. It also fits in with Jackal's Cosmic Horror play of playing to gain Town cred as scum. WBG I actually lean Town on, he is not a bad enough scum player to throw himself out like that. Forumite are you mute? | ||
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Jackal declares uncertainty in himself in calling me and Mig Town when we are almost 100% confirmed Town and yet does not hesitate to push WBG to the point of faking a shot on him. I don't think Jackal is a high priority right now but he obviously will need looking at. The Incognito case can come from someone who has talked to him more than me. Forumite deserves a serious look. Right after me and Palmar accuse each other he declares that he wants the lynch between us two rather than Jackal or WBG but he provides no reasoning at all. The only reason he would post this is if he thought the cases against us were better than the ones on WBG/Jackal but Palmar's case on me was just as stupid as his one on Jackal. Which would mean that he would have had to think my case was better, except he didn't because he still wanted to lynch me over Palmar. He posts that he wants to see how the talk between me and Palmar goes before deciding when the case has been all laid out already. He continues to push that I am more scummy without actually commenting on either of the cases or any of the arguments that are presented, instead just pushing that I am somehow more scummy. Then Mig comes along and throws down the second analysis of Palmar, backing me up. Bam. Forumite still wants me to be lynched instead of Palmar but then says "Oh Mig has some good points." Mig's points were pretty much the same ones that I brought up in my push of Palmar (actually, me and Mig were discussing about it in Skype before either of us posted so our reasons for voting Palmar were pretty much identical) but Forumite ignores my reasoning but agrees with Mig's. Why? He obviously still wants to see my lynched rather than Palmar but with another high profile player slamming in on Palmar he has to reconsider so he doesn't look too scummy for continuing to push me. After I call out Forumite for his bullshit posts he starts softly agreeing with me on Palmar as well saying he likes parts of my analysis; oh hey where was this attitude before? Note that he still hasn't said he agrees with any part of what Palmar is saying, just that he is ignoring him (so clearly he doesn't actually think Palmar's case holds any weight) and that he likes parts of my case. This brings it back to why he would want the lynch between me and Palmar; under his posting it should be because he likes my case on Palmar but clearly that isn't it since he still continues to try to push me as the scummy one. After it is clear Palmar is going to be the one lynched Forumite switches to him because "Palmar has posted lies in his analysis." Since his pushing of me as scummy and his sudden change to Palmar, nothing has changed in the cases against either of us; all that's changed is I called Forumite out on his bullshit. He suddenly thinks Palmar's case had lies and everything in it and that Palmar was no worth voting; before it was clear Palmar was going to get lynched, not me, Forumite was conveniently not mentioning this at all when Palmar first posted his case (or when he was pushing Jackal), instead choosing to push me. Finally his actions during this night have made no sense. He covers up his slip of not knowing what the VT PM is by claiming he is a power but also claims he faked the shot to "cover up" for if Jackal was the real Sniper. A power role would never do something like this and he has self admitted he is not a VT. | ||
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On October 01 2011 22:42 Erandorr wrote: Why on earth would you ask that publicly after you stated that you think Scum is targeting mute players? How about you start contributing here in the thread and give us your thoughts on incog forumite and bugs? And why is this even an issue? Mute or not mute, Mafia is still going to kill 2 people at night. Shooting a mute player doesn't magically give them an extra KP. | ||
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You tell me what you think first. | ||
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And since Incog has claimed he is doing all his work in PMs and not the thread, I highly doubt he wouldn't have tried to talk to his lynch candidate. | ||
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Well here's my Skype log with Palmar: [9/28/2011 11:09:15 AM] Charles Suo: hi palmar [9/28/2011 12:43:29 PM] Charles Suo: hi palmar [9/28/2011 12:43:45 PM] Palmar: sup [9/28/2011 12:43:50 PM] Palmar: you're playing xlv? [9/28/2011 12:44:05 PM] Charles Suo: yes [9/28/2011 12:44:10 PM] Charles Suo: are you scum [9/28/2011 12:44:16 PM] Palmar: I may or may not have accidentally told mig my role [9/28/2011 12:44:24 PM] Palmar: because I didn't know he was playing [9/28/2011 12:44:31 PM] Charles Suo: oh [9/28/2011 12:44:38 PM] Charles Suo: lol [9/28/2011 12:44:45 PM] Palmar: derp [9/28/2011 12:44:48 PM] Charles Suo: indeed [9/28/2011 12:44:54 PM] Palmar: you scum? [9/28/2011 12:44:58 PM] Palmar: now you know I have a role! [9/28/2011 12:45:10 PM] Charles Suo: i am town curu [9/28/2011 12:45:13 PM] Charles Suo: which means you must be scum palmar [9/28/2011 12:45:15 PM] Palmar: what kinda town? [9/28/2011 12:45:23 PM] Charles Suo: the best kinda town [9/28/2011 12:45:30 PM] Palmar: the scum-town? [9/28/2011 12:45:50 PM] Palmar: I find it very scummy you're not willing to immediately claim to me [9/28/2011 12:46:01 PM] Charles Suo: maybe I'm a mute breaking the rules [9/28/2011 12:47:59 PM] Charles Suo: are you going to win LOTR [9/28/2011 12:48:49 PM] Palmar: I don't think I am [9/28/2011 12:48:53 PM] Palmar: isn't chaoser killing me? [9/28/2011 12:49:20 PM] Charles Suo: maybe [9/28/2011 12:49:27 PM] Charles Suo: but then as long as mafia doesnt hit you too youre aight! [9/28/2011 12:49:31 PM] Palmar: yeah [9/28/2011 12:49:35 PM] Palmar: are they gonna? [9/28/2011 12:49:39 PM] Charles Suo: i dunno [9/28/2011 12:49:42 PM] Palmar: ok [9/28/2011 12:49:45 PM] Charles Suo: they always send their night actions in 10 mins before deadline [9/28/2011 12:49:47 PM] Palmar: or some retard town checks me [9/28/2011 12:49:53 PM] Palmar: also, this town [REMOVED BECAUSE DISCUSSION OF LOTR MAFIA] [9/28/2011 9:50:13 PM] Charles Suo: yay Palmar [9/28/2011 9:50:15 PM] Charles Suo: you win! [9/29/2011 6:22:30 AM] Charles Suo: are you scum [9/29/2011 6:22:42 AM] Palmar: no [9/29/2011 6:22:46 AM] Palmar: I think you are though [9/29/2011 6:22:51 AM] Charles Suo: well im pretty obvious town [9/29/2011 6:22:59 AM] Palmar: ... [9/29/2011 6:23:24 AM] Charles Suo: wha [9/29/2011 6:23:25 AM] Charles Suo: t [9/29/2011 6:23:43 AM] Palmar: bitch, [9/29/2011 6:24:21 AM] Charles Suo: incoming text wall [9/29/2011 6:24:24 AM] Palmar: Look at your play in AA, now look back to this game, then look back to your play in AA, then back to this game. This game your play sucks, but if you started posting like non-scum you could look like you're town [9/29/2011 6:24:31 AM] Charles Suo: lolol [9/29/2011 6:24:33 AM] Palmar: but you're scum [9/29/2011 6:24:42 AM] Charles Suo: AA was my first ever Mafia game as town bro [9/29/2011 6:24:47 AM] Charles Suo: why you bringing that up [9/29/2011 6:25:06 AM] Palmar: because that's the game I most distinctly remember you being town in [9/29/2011 6:25:19 AM] Palmar: all other games I've been in with you I've been scum, so I haven't been reading the thread. [9/29/2011 6:25:21 AM] Charles Suo: prolly cuz i spammed 200 posts in day 1 [9/29/2011 6:25:36 AM] Palmar: I don't actually read games when I'm scum [9/29/2011 6:26:21 AM] Charles Suo: thats funny you werent reading this one either [9/29/2011 6:26:26 AM] Charles Suo: although tbh neither have i [9/29/2011 6:26:27 AM] Charles Suo: huh [9/29/2011 6:26:34 AM] Charles Suo: but im town and you're probably not [9/29/2011 6:28:44 AM] Charles Suo: is sinani mafia too [9/29/2011 6:28:51 AM] Charles Suo: I really really wanna lynch him [9/29/2011 6:28:51 AM] Charles Suo: again [9/29/2011 6:29:53 AM] Palmar: yeah I'm not talking to you [9/29/2011 6:29:56 AM] Palmar: you're scum. [9/29/2011 6:30:08 AM] Palmar: Just noticed the order of your posts [9/29/2011 6:30:10 AM] Palmar: against me [9/29/2011 6:30:17 AM] Charles Suo: hm? [9/29/2011 6:30:45 AM] Charles Suo: you have never incorrectly read me before except on purpose when you're scum [9/29/2011 6:30:47 AM] Charles Suo: you must be scum [9/29/2011 6:45:37 AM] Charles Suo: why are you so scummy [9/29/2011 6:57:24 AM] Charles Suo: so palmero [9/29/2011 6:57:27 AM] Charles Suo: was your role pm blue [9/29/2011 6:57:43 AM] Palmar: yep [9/29/2011 6:57:57 AM] Palmar: actually no [9/29/2011 6:57:59 AM] Palmar: it had no color [9/29/2011 6:58:05 AM] Palmar: it just said "BLU | ||
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Incog and Kenpachi are almost definitely scum together. First off the only times that Kenpachi has ever posted a real case on anyone was when he was scum busing a teammate that was going to get lynched anyways. Kenpachi useless all of day 1 then comes in day 2 with a real, effort-driven analysis? lol. Me and Mig (mostly Mig) literally went through every Kenpachi game and this has always been the case. Also: On October 01 2011 10:08 Kenpachi wrote: checking the time of this PM, it was 6:29 but i cant prove that unless i take a picture of my inbox but i wont do that cause thats cheating. Why would a Townie ever give that much thought to PM times? That shouldn't even cross your mind when posting. So why does Kenpachi go so far to try to prove the PM time? Because he didn't actually receive that PM. | ||
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I agree that Sevyrn looks pretty damn bad. He isn't just bandwagon hopper Sevyrn either, he carefully avoided the Palmar issue, didn't give any opinion on Incog but jumped super fast onto my retarded wagon. | ||
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Incognito and NotChezinu both PMed me asking me how I felt about lynching jcarl. NotChez actually delayed posting his case on me until I told him point blank I would rather lynch Incognito than jcarlson. I am under the suspicion that if I were to express interest in lynching jcarl rather than Incog today the case would have been made by both of them against jcarl not me. If NotChez thought I was Mafia he had no reason to delay posting the case on me (all the info he presents was already out in the open for like 8 hours before I told him I am voting Incognito), instead he waited until after I told him I am going for Incognito not jcarl. NotChez bases a huge part around how I went from "I'm not sure on Incog" to "let's lynch Incog" conveniently leaving out the PMs I sent him explaining: He is now trying to convince Mig that I am Mafia trying to manipulate Mig because Mig won't release our convos to him. I honestly can't see a Town Incog doing this. Plus Kenpachi actually did an analysis on him. A real one. The only time I have ever seen Kenpachi do analysis is when he is scum busing another scum. Original Message From NotChezinu: why? Hide nested quote - Original Message From Curu: I think Incognito would be my choice today. There's also other reasons I became more sold on Incognito but I'm not releasing that information. | ||
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NotChez is GMarshal and I'd say this looks like his scumplay from Ace's Some Mafia Game. Tunneling one Townie each day with a terrible case while not commenting on anything else going on in the game really. That he stated he was going to try to softclaim Ver to get me lynched is pretty stupid. The discussion of Incog/NotChez/WBG was a couple of hours of them intricately scheming the best way to get me lynched; almost none of it (besides the start where Incog asked why I was the target) was actually discussing me being scummy. Looking at GM's play as Town in Cosmic Horror he actually pushed his scumreads hard rather than the half-assed stupid effort he has given in both this game and in SMG. | ||
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I am definitely down to kill NotChez now. | ||
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That you haven't commented on anything else and continue to push this retarded wagon (Curu bused the arguably best Mafia role day 1, he must be Mafia!) rather than comment anything else makes me feel pretty damn good about you though. | ||
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Can you actually post reasoning or a case on any of these? You sure spent a lot of effort on that braindead case you did on me, surely you have some reasoning or notes you can backup the rest of your reads with. | ||
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You bring up the Palmar had RL issues thing but look at how quickly Scamp replaced Lucidity. If Palmar really had to get out of the game there was a replacement waiting in the wings which would have made infinite more sense than busing the godamn Pyro. | ||
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Another thing that concerns me is no one even tried to save Palmar except Incognito and WBG (and somewhat Forumite) and we saw how he flipped. This would indicate that the remaining Mafia team is possibly all among the lurkers since no one with any thread presence stepped forward to try to stop that lynch or direct another one. | ||
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sinani I am wondering about because he completely avoided the Palmar issue and then immediately jumped on the Incognito one. But there are things that just suggest careless Town on him too, such as leaving his vote until the deadline (modkill possibility). | ||
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No I wasn't informed but I can agree with it. It was my mistake and I should have remembered, especially since I just talked to Mig and realized he was RBed but couldn't claim the previous day. Tell your next person you can't claim it though! | ||
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My bad for getting modkilled, I legitimately forgot that I wasn't allowed to claim it. I even said "oh shit I'm a fucking idiot" cause I realized I was going to get modkilled lol. | ||
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Unfortunately we didn't tell anyone else he was the DT . | ||
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