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Curu
Profile Joined March 2010
Canada2817 Posts
September 26 2011 12:33 GMT
#63
Fine

/in
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Curu
Profile Joined March 2010
Canada2817 Posts
September 27 2011 05:02 GMT
#121
Give me dayvig so I can shoot Mig d1
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Curu
Profile Joined March 2010
Canada2817 Posts
September 27 2011 06:47 GMT
#124
Ciryandor can take my place actually if he wants to.
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Curu
Profile Joined March 2010
Canada2817 Posts
September 27 2011 18:38 GMT
#144
##Vote Palmar

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Curu
Profile Joined March 2010
Canada2817 Posts
September 27 2011 18:40 GMT
#147
Oh

##Vote Palmar
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Curu
Profile Joined March 2010
Canada2817 Posts
September 27 2011 18:53 GMT
#150
One of the above two is his scum teammate busing him btw.
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Curu
Profile Joined March 2010
Canada2817 Posts
September 27 2011 19:16 GMT
#162
Me and Palmar are never the same alignment except in Minis.

WaW2:
Curu Mafia
Palmar Third Party

Arkham Asylum
Curu Town
Palmar Third Party

PTP2
Curu Town
Palmar Mafia

SNMMV
Curu Town
Palmar Mafia

XLIV
Curu Mafia
Palmar Town

Ace's Mafia Game
Curu Town
Palmar Mafia

Since I am indeed Town in this game Palmar must be Mafia.
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Curu
Profile Joined March 2010
Canada2817 Posts
September 27 2011 19:17 GMT
#164
I can be anything tnkted wants me to be.

Except Mafia, I can't be that.
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Curu
Profile Joined March 2010
Canada2817 Posts
September 27 2011 19:19 GMT
#166
Not to mention

XLIII
Curu Town
Palmar Host

LOTR
Curu Host
Palmar ?????
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Curu
Profile Joined March 2010
Canada2817 Posts
September 27 2011 22:08 GMT
#178
Someone buy Forumite a joke detector.
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Curu
Profile Joined March 2010
Canada2817 Posts
September 28 2011 14:45 GMT
#248
This is an important question.

If you haven't been PMed by Mig yet, please post so in the thread.
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Curu
Profile Joined March 2010
Canada2817 Posts
September 28 2011 14:50 GMT
#250
12+ hours in and Mig still hasn't PMed everyone in the game, keep an eye on him.
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Curu
Profile Joined March 2010
Canada2817 Posts
September 28 2011 20:22 GMT
#282
AA was only 60 pages cause I was boss spammer.
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Curu
Profile Joined March 2010
Canada2817 Posts
September 28 2011 20:27 GMT
#286
Medics also should use their discretion with burned targets. If you just heal whoever Mafia burns they're basically directing the Medic and everyone knows the best way to win as Mafia in TL is to kill everyone who is active/capable of reading the thread.
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Curu
Profile Joined March 2010
Canada2817 Posts
September 28 2011 20:36 GMT
#290
WBG is pretty scummy but not at Palmar level yet.
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Curu
Profile Joined March 2010
Canada2817 Posts
September 29 2011 03:12 GMT
#365
I always mislynch Town day 1. So I'm not leading any lynches today.

If you take a look again at all my scum games I am very rawr rawr day 1 because I know I can get a Townie lynched and get away with it. tbh I haven't even read most of the thread yet, busy busy.
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Curu
Profile Joined March 2010
Canada2817 Posts
September 29 2011 03:13 GMT
#367
I think you're scum, does that count?
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Curu
Profile Joined March 2010
Canada2817 Posts
September 29 2011 03:15 GMT
#369
Yes I do!

And maybe, depending on Palmar.
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Curu
Profile Joined March 2010
Canada2817 Posts
September 29 2011 03:17 GMT
#371
Maybe later. I am tired and we got an extended day. sup.
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Curu
Profile Joined March 2010
Canada2817 Posts
September 29 2011 09:46 GMT
#386
Ok I have read the thread now.

Still wanna lynch Palmar tbh.
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Curu
Profile Joined March 2010
Canada2817 Posts
September 29 2011 10:37 GMT
#388
Alright so here's what I think:

Palmar is using meta arguments that are incorrect and weak to paint out Jackal as scum because of one post Jackal made. He's also being purposefully obtuse and calling me scummy because I am not playing like I was in AA (which was my first ever game, duh) which was something people seem to bring up every single game (Palmar's been a part of all of them and everyone's been wrong in every one of them). I don't think he actually believes what he is saying. I think Palmar is one of the best on TL in being able to differentiate stupidly posting Townies from scum but I'm not seeing any of it here.

risk.nuke and Sevyrn have even shittier posts than me.

Kenpachi is possibly a scum day Vig, I see no other reason for him to paint his name blue this time instead of green like all his other games.

WBG's attack on tnkted was pretty derp.

PS. sinani saying I ruin games is pretty fucking funny. This guy has goldfish memory or some shit.
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Curu
Profile Joined March 2010
Canada2817 Posts
September 29 2011 10:45 GMT
#390
My role PM was all black. But I can kinda understand that, I forgot Kenachi claimed green Townie last time he was scum in Kurumi's game.

But Palmar's still scum, let's kill him dead.
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Curu
Profile Joined March 2010
Canada2817 Posts
September 29 2011 10:49 GMT
#391
Actually lol scumslip alert, all the Townie PMs were black not blue.

Let's kill Palmar already.
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Curu
Profile Joined March 2010
Canada2817 Posts
September 29 2011 10:52 GMT
#392
Kurumi can you copy paste a Mafia sample PM for us please, exactly how it is. Colours and everything.
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Curu
Profile Joined March 2010
Canada2817 Posts
September 29 2011 10:58 GMT
#393
And a sample power Town one please.
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Curu
Profile Joined March 2010
Canada2817 Posts
September 29 2011 11:05 GMT
#398
Go on Frodo, vote for the evil Gollum who killed you.
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Curu
Profile Joined March 2010
Canada2817 Posts
September 29 2011 11:27 GMT
#403
I voted for you on the irrefutable evidence that we are always opposite alignments.

Then I noticed you skirting the thread and throwing out dumb accusations which pretty much validated my vote on you into a real one.

Now you're very obviously scum. You're just retracing GM's scum steps in Ace's game huh. Comparing my meta here to my meta in a game with vastly different scenarios (I've even stated multiple times across multiple games that I am making my Town play less spammy from AA, which was my FIRST EVER MAFIA GAME AS TOWN). Throwing out the VE vs redFF scenario? lol, nothing similar to that has come up yet, when did I have the chance to try that this game? That and the fact that you cannot even consider the fact that posting the colours of my role PM without hesitation pretty much confirms me as Town. sup.

The few games we actually have been together as Town (both Minis; Haunted House and Swedish House) I've been even more useless and one-liner-troll than I have been this game yet he was able to see me as Town there. What's changed in this game? His alignment obviously. Palmar's seen my scum play (and been able to identify it, actually, the only person in XLIV who was able to do so) and it should be obvious that what I am able to pull off as scum is much more detrimental to Town than just lurking and posting one liners.

Palmar wants to use meta reasons to lynch me but he conveniently cherrypicks one game, which happened to be my first where I had no idea what I was doing, and in a completely different scenario. He then neglects to mention any of the other games I've played with him. Derp. Scum.

And no PMs aren't in the OP Kurumi, you coloured the PM names blue in them but my PM is all black. My guess from his reluctance is that he actually coloured the Mafia ones red to emphasize that you are Mafia which screwed Palmar into thinking the Town PM had blue colours.

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Curu
Profile Joined March 2010
Canada2817 Posts
September 29 2011 14:58 GMT
#416
On September 29 2011 23:23 Forumite wrote:
Show nested quote +
On September 29 2011 21:49 prplhz wrote:
i mean scum would love to see the lynch be decided by who is the scummier of two townies, and not who is actually scum. you're just sitting there saying "oh yea bitches, duke it out and we'll lynch one of you!" and i kinda find that very scummy. very scum.

Good point. I think, that if we must focus on a pair of players and lynch the scummiest, then it´s better to lynch either of Palmar or Curu than Jackal and WBG, but if there is a fifth candidate that appears, then sure, please make that case, just as long as we do two things, stay away from Jackal and WBG for now, and FOCUS the lynch on few and likely candidates, I don´t want to see 20 players voting on 20 candidates, because that´s a game with 19 scum in it.

On the Curu and Palmar, I am leaning toward Curu being the scum. I don´t have a good tell on Palmar (I haven´t analysed Mig´s case yet), while I have a very unhelpfull read on Curu. He´s not playing quite as aggressive as in the last 2 games where I played with him, where he was scum both times, but he´s admitted that he´s aware of how his metagame looked in those games, and how he´s changed it this game. If a metagame analysis doesn´t much help, then the seemingly baseless case on Palmar and his empty posts is what I have to go on. He´s not revealing any proof on why Palmar is scum but still want to lynch him, so either he´s scum or the case was based on only PM-info. I´m leaning towards Scum.


What the fuck is this? I'm not playing the same as the two games I was scum with you, therefore I must be scum?

Are you retarded or something?
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Curu
Profile Joined March 2010
Canada2817 Posts
September 29 2011 15:06 GMT
#419
I can't wrap my head around what you are trying to say. I said I tried to change my Town metagame. I don't give a fuck what my Mafia metagame looks like. So because I'm not playing like my scum metagame of blind aggression I must be scum in this game. You haven't even played with my Town game before but you think I am scummy for meta reasons (because I am not playing like I do as Mafia, what the fuck). You also clearly haven't gone and actually read any games I was Town in and conveniently ignore everyone else who has been useless/unhelpful in this game (COUGH PALMAR COUGH).

You aren't really this derp are you? Seriously? Are you scum or is your logic/reasoning really just this ass backwards?
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Curu
Profile Joined March 2010
Canada2817 Posts
September 29 2011 15:14 GMT
#420
Also lol Forumite comes in saying I am scummy without commenting on any of the posts or content between me and Palmar, merely pointing out that he thinks I am unhelpful and not playing like Mafia so I am probably Mafia.

Then goes to on say Mig has some good points. Hey buddy, I raised pretty much the exact same points in my little spat with Palmar but you thought I was scummy for it.

On September 29 2011 19:37 Curu wrote:

Palmar is using meta arguments that are incorrect and weak to paint out Jackal as scum because of one post Jackal made. He's also being purposefully obtuse and calling me scummy because I am not playing like I was in AA (which was my first ever game, duh) which was something people seem to bring up every single game (Palmar's been a part of all of them and everyone's been wrong in every one of them). I don't think he actually believes what he is saying. I think Palmar is one of the best on TL in being able to differentiate stupidly posting Townies from scum but I'm not seeing any of it here.



On September 29 2011 20:27 Curu wrote:

Now you're very obviously scum. You're just retracing GM's scum steps in Ace's game huh. Comparing my meta here to my meta in a game with vastly different scenarios (I've even stated multiple times across multiple games that I am making my Town play less spammy from AA, which was my FIRST EVER MAFIA GAME AS TOWN). Throwing out the VE vs redFF scenario? lol, nothing similar to that has come up yet, when did I have the chance to try that this game? That and the fact that you cannot even consider the fact that posting the colours of my role PM without hesitation pretty much confirms me as Town. sup.

The few games we actually have been together as Town (both Minis; Haunted House and Swedish House) I've been even more useless and one-liner-troll than I have been this game yet he was able to see me as Town there. What's changed in this game? His alignment obviously. Palmar's seen my scum play (and been able to identify it, actually, the only person in XLIV who was able to do so) and it should be obvious that what I am able to pull off as scum is much more detrimental to Town than just lurking and posting one liners.

Palmar wants to use meta reasons to lynch me but he conveniently cherrypicks one game, which happened to be my first where I had no idea what I was doing, and in a completely different scenario. He then neglects to mention any of the other games I've played with him. Derp. Scum.


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Curu
Profile Joined March 2010
Canada2817 Posts
September 29 2011 16:11 GMT
#422
No.
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Curu
Profile Joined March 2010
Canada2817 Posts
September 29 2011 16:11 GMT
#423
wtf do you mean you can't trust my metagame? You don't have the faintest clue what my Town play looks like.
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Curu
Profile Joined March 2010
Canada2817 Posts
September 29 2011 16:23 GMT
#425
Cool so if it's a nulltell why exactly am I more scummy than Palmar?
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Curu
Profile Joined March 2010
Canada2817 Posts
September 29 2011 17:48 GMT
#435
Couldn't you have picked something less annoying to smurf as GMarshal?
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Curu
Profile Joined March 2010
Canada2817 Posts
September 29 2011 18:35 GMT
#447
lol DropBear. Palmar's early game is shitty? He correctly identified me, Mig, and BB as scum day 1 in XLIV, made the entire Mafia team forfeit day 2 in Swedish House, and led the lynch on the Godfather day 1 of Haunted House.

I'm going to ignore Forumite until he stops posting blatantly nonsensical bullshit. My play seems odd this game...well derp derp the two games you played with me I was scum. If my play seems different that should tell you I'm Town. Oh wait but WIFOM I did that on purpose ahahahahahaha no.

Sevyrn is looking pretty godamn scummy but he is Sevyrn after all.

I don't want to be a dick to the mods but their posts on the previous page pretty much confirm that Palmar is scum. If he was a Townie making a legitimate mistake the hosts would not have said anything at all but since it was a mistake on their part (prolly colouring the Mafia PMs red while leaving the rest black) they had to step in and post something. The only concern I had was if certain power roles were coloured and Palmar had one of those but he confirmed to me in Skype that his PM was black (actually he said it was blue first, then read my post, then changed it to black lol).
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Curu
Profile Joined March 2010
Canada2817 Posts
September 29 2011 18:57 GMT
#454
Yeah I didn't actually fish for it though. Palmar and the mods made that mess themselves.
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Curu
Profile Joined March 2010
Canada2817 Posts
September 29 2011 19:02 GMT
#456
That's not even the condemning part, just icing on the cake. My points and Mig's still stand regardless of PM slip-up or no PM slip-up.
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Curu
Profile Joined March 2010
Canada2817 Posts
September 29 2011 19:13 GMT
#458
Looks like I'm getting modkilled regardless but I'm pretty sure Kurumi's decision in that is because you actually are scum. Dunno why he would threaten to modkill both of us if we were both Townies since playing like that would already be punishment to our win con.
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Curu
Profile Joined March 2010
Canada2817 Posts
September 29 2011 19:26 GMT
#465
Well looking at Palmar's posts as a Doc in Cosmic Horror I don't buy that his whacktastic play is because he is trying to hide as a DT. He played in that game up to his normal standards.

Whatever, just play like no one is getting the modkill hammer. Like I said the host situation isn't even why I thought Palmar was scum, I would have pushed this lynch regardless.
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Curu
Profile Joined March 2010
Canada2817 Posts
September 29 2011 19:26 GMT
#466
Want me to edit out that post?
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Curu
Profile Joined March 2010
Canada2817 Posts
September 29 2011 19:37 GMT
#470
It's like Some Mafia Game why I thought Mig was scum. If they post stuff that I would expect from someone much worse than them they are probably scum.

What's with your fascination on me? You wanted me lynched cause I wasn't contributing. Now I'm contributing but you still want me lynched.

WBG went from "I'm watching you closely Palmar" to a reluctance to push him after a real push started on him. His case against Jackal is pure garbage, reasons like "you didn't vote in the vote thread" lol. If you want to go by meta (which you pretty much started the Jackal case on) Palmar's looks infinitely worse.
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Curu
Profile Joined March 2010
Canada2817 Posts
September 29 2011 19:50 GMT
#474
On September 30 2011 04:45 wherebugsgo wrote:
Nice assumption that I haven't been watching Palmar, Curu.

I haven't voted Palmar for two simple reasons, reasons I've stated multiple times already.
I'll repeat them for you now just in case it hasn't been clear.

1. I think Jackal is the better lynch, since there are more things that Jackal has done to be scummy than Palmar.
2. The bandwagon on Palmar has built up way too quickly and literally no one is defending him. He's getting bussed day 1, then?

I'm also reluctant to push him because there's only one reason anyone is citing for voting Palmar, and that is, he used meta incorrectly. I don't really agree that he's used meta incorrectly. Since I disagree with the sole non-game-mechanic related reason to lynch palmar I don't really care to vote him right now.

Finally, I'm sorry you can't recognise sarcasm. I don't particularly care to get you lynched unless Palmar flips town. If palmar flips town then you are mafia to me because you push easy town lynches, particularly day 1, as mafia.

If Palmar flips mafia then I consider Forumite to be as well.


Do you not see the inconsistency with your posts? You think Palmar is not scum because the only argument against him was meta.

Then you think Jackal is the best lynch because of some horrible meta case Palmar pushed on him.

How the fuck is Palmar an easy lynch? He's one of the most high profile players in this game. If I wanted to push an easy lynch I would probably be riding Sevyrn or Forumite into the grave or the Nisani/sinani duo again because I'm pretty sure no matter what they will look scummy arguing with me.
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Curu
Profile Joined March 2010
Canada2817 Posts
September 29 2011 20:10 GMT
#481
Calling him scummy cause he didn't vote or arguing semantics that OMGUS isn't possible without a vote are the most ridiculous reasons I've ever heard of.

Everything else is pure meta, and from a pure meta standpoint Palmar is much worse than Jackal yet you are purposely not seeing that.
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Curu
Profile Joined March 2010
Canada2817 Posts
September 29 2011 20:15 GMT
#484
If I called you scum and pushed you hard with valid reasons but left my vote off you and you pushed back that I was scum, that is more OMGUS than me voting Palmar with a random vote at the start of the game and having him push me for it.

I'm seriously shocked you actually think this is something scummy.
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Curu
Profile Joined March 2010
Canada2817 Posts
September 29 2011 20:20 GMT
#489
Yours/Palmar's reasons for pushing him in the first place are just as valid as his for pushing you.

Why is him not voting for you such a big deal to you?
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Curu
Profile Joined March 2010
Canada2817 Posts
September 29 2011 20:28 GMT
#492
If Palmar flips Town I need to be lynched based on what?
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Curu
Profile Joined March 2010
Canada2817 Posts
September 29 2011 20:43 GMT
#495
What's your definition of a weak lynch then? You call everything I push day 1 a weak lynch.

Your reasons for voting Jackal are complete bullshit and you call me out for mine for Palmar. lol. WBG is probably scum, he's not this stupid.
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Curu
Profile Joined March 2010
Canada2817 Posts
September 29 2011 20:55 GMT
#499
So I have legitimate reasons for voting Palmar but I'm probably scum because people are following my vote.

You are hilarious.
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Curu
Profile Joined March 2010
Canada2817 Posts
September 29 2011 20:58 GMT
#501
Yes I have legitimate reasons for seeing Palmar as scum but I am scum if he flips Town because people listened and liked my reasons.

Yeah right buddy. If Palmar flips Town the one to be turbolynched is you.
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Curu
Profile Joined March 2010
Canada2817 Posts
September 29 2011 21:01 GMT
#503
You look like you fit that criteria pretty soundly.

You're basically saying whatever wagon I start as long as they are Town I am scum. You also say me and Mig have valid reasons for pushing Palmar but I am still scum because people agree with me.

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o
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Curu
Profile Joined March 2010
Canada2817 Posts
September 29 2011 21:05 GMT
#506
Your definition of easy lynch was because people follow along with poor reasoning. And then I am scum because I push easy lynches. Ergo you're saying I'm scum because people agree with me.

Derp.
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Curu
Profile Joined March 2010
Canada2817 Posts
September 29 2011 21:30 GMT
#511
On September 30 2011 06:09 wherebugsgo wrote:
Show nested quote +
On September 30 2011 06:05 Curu wrote:
Your definition of easy lynch was because people follow along with poor reasoning. And then I am scum because I push easy lynches. Ergo you're saying I'm scum because people agree with me.

Derp.


You're scum when you push an easy lynch of a TOWNIE

Again: an easy lynch of a TOWNIE

We don't know what Palmar is so I'm not accusing you of anything yet. Get your head out of your ass and use your fucking brain.


You're saying if I lynch a Townie I must be scum because regardless of player, regardless of argument, regardless of anything if people agree with me it's somehow an easy lynch.

I'm done talking with you until you grow some sense.
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Curu
Profile Joined March 2010
Canada2817 Posts
September 29 2011 22:09 GMT
#532
lolol my first post in the game was lynching scum.

Suck it WBG scum.
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Curu
Profile Joined March 2010
Canada2817 Posts
September 29 2011 22:50 GMT
#550
If Incog flips Mafia we should probably start clearing out the garbage that we will never be able to read after that.
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Curu
Profile Joined March 2010
Canada2817 Posts
September 29 2011 23:03 GMT
#552
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Curu
Profile Joined March 2010
Canada2817 Posts
September 29 2011 23:05 GMT
#553
See posts like that are why we have to get rid of certain players. It's mind boggling that there is the possibility you might even post something like that as Town.
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Curu
Profile Joined March 2010
Canada2817 Posts
September 29 2011 23:12 GMT
#557
Also DTs don't listen to anyone telling you who to check. The scum Godfather is a Framer too. Use your own discretion.

Medics should obviously protect me and Mig, duh.
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Curu
Profile Joined March 2010
Canada2817 Posts
September 30 2011 16:30 GMT
#648
Cool now I have to decide if I want to be Ace and try to lynch people for doing completely retarded things.
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Curu
Profile Joined March 2010
Canada2817 Posts
September 30 2011 16:45 GMT
#650
Yep for balance reasons me and Mig Town means likely Incognito or GM scum.
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Curu
Profile Joined March 2010
Canada2817 Posts
September 30 2011 18:31 GMT
#666
lol Jackal. If you just went and read the thread at all you should see that I am 100% beyond a doubt confirmed Town. I'm not allowed to talk about the subject matter anymore.

There's a chance Mig is scum yes, I'd put it at about 0.000000001%.

If anything Palmar's flair for the dramatic would mean Jackal as his off-the-bat push is scum. I don't think it's like Palmar to just roll over and get himself lynched, which would mean it would have a purpose. Which would mean trying to get Jackal seen as Town in the event of his lynch; Palmar had to know with the way he was playing me and Mig would pick up on him immediately. There's the possibility that Palmar is aware of his bus-scum-day-1 meta but sacrificing himself to get a Townie Jackal lynched is completely worthless.

It also fits in with Jackal's Cosmic Horror play of playing to gain Town cred as scum.

WBG I actually lean Town on, he is not a bad enough scum player to throw himself out like that.

Forumite are you mute?
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Curu
Profile Joined March 2010
Canada2817 Posts
September 30 2011 18:33 GMT
#668
You were burned because you blindly believed your DT check despite all evidence to the contrary. This is something completely different.
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Curu
Profile Joined March 2010
Canada2817 Posts
September 30 2011 18:35 GMT
#670
Does anyone know if Forumite is mute?
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Curu
Profile Joined March 2010
Canada2817 Posts
September 30 2011 19:54 GMT
#678
Ok rereading the thread I actually feel pretty good about the probability of Jackal being scum. Palmar attacks him with completely stupid reasons and completely out of nowhere. He knows with that attack he could not possibly get Jackal lynched and that he is painting a target on himself as well. Jackal ignores Palmar's votes and reasoning but goes hard after WBG instead when WBG sheeped onto Palmar. Later when it is clear Palmar is going to be lynched (after the whole blue/black slipup, Mig backing me up, people starting to vote Palmar etc) Jackal declares that Palmar and WBG are both scumbuddies, possibly trying to set up WBG.

Jackal declares uncertainty in himself in calling me and Mig Town when we are almost 100% confirmed Town and yet does not hesitate to push WBG to the point of faking a shot on him. I don't think Jackal is a high priority right now but he obviously will need looking at.

The Incognito case can come from someone who has talked to him more than me.

Forumite deserves a serious look. Right after me and Palmar accuse each other he declares that he wants the lynch between us two rather than Jackal or WBG but he provides no reasoning at all. The only reason he would post this is if he thought the cases against us were better than the ones on WBG/Jackal but Palmar's case on me was just as stupid as his one on Jackal. Which would mean that he would have had to think my case was better, except he didn't because he still wanted to lynch me over Palmar. He posts that he wants to see how the talk between me and Palmar goes before deciding when the case has been all laid out already. He continues to push that I am more scummy without actually commenting on either of the cases or any of the arguments that are presented, instead just pushing that I am somehow more scummy.

Then Mig comes along and throws down the second analysis of Palmar, backing me up. Bam. Forumite still wants me to be lynched instead of Palmar but then says "Oh Mig has some good points." Mig's points were pretty much the same ones that I brought up in my push of Palmar (actually, me and Mig were discussing about it in Skype before either of us posted so our reasons for voting Palmar were pretty much identical) but Forumite ignores my reasoning but agrees with Mig's. Why? He obviously still wants to see my lynched rather than Palmar but with another high profile player slamming in on Palmar he has to reconsider so he doesn't look too scummy for continuing to push me. After I call out Forumite for his bullshit posts he starts softly agreeing with me on Palmar as well saying he likes parts of my analysis; oh hey where was this attitude before? Note that he still hasn't said he agrees with any part of what Palmar is saying, just that he is ignoring him (so clearly he doesn't actually think Palmar's case holds any weight) and that he likes parts of my case. This brings it back to why he would want the lynch between me and Palmar; under his posting it should be because he likes my case on Palmar but clearly that isn't it since he still continues to try to push me as the scummy one.

After it is clear Palmar is going to be the one lynched Forumite switches to him because "Palmar has posted lies in his analysis." Since his pushing of me as scummy and his sudden change to Palmar, nothing has changed in the cases against either of us; all that's changed is I called Forumite out on his bullshit. He suddenly thinks Palmar's case had lies and everything in it and that Palmar was no worth voting; before it was clear Palmar was going to get lynched, not me, Forumite was conveniently not mentioning this at all when Palmar first posted his case (or when he was pushing Jackal), instead choosing to push me.

Finally his actions during this night have made no sense. He covers up his slip of not knowing what the VT PM is by claiming he is a power but also claims he faked the shot to "cover up" for if Jackal was the real Sniper. A power role would never do something like this and he has self admitted he is not a VT.
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Curu
Profile Joined March 2010
Canada2817 Posts
September 30 2011 19:57 GMT
#679
EBWOP: Palmar was now worth voting.
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Curu
Profile Joined March 2010
Canada2817 Posts
September 30 2011 20:00 GMT
#680
tl;dr: Forumite is full of shit and should be lynched.
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Curu
Profile Joined March 2010
Canada2817 Posts
September 30 2011 20:29 GMT
#682
Did you just not read the post?
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Curu
Profile Joined March 2010
Canada2817 Posts
September 30 2011 20:29 GMT
#683
No you clearly didn't. Go read the post and I'll talk to you.
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Curu
Profile Joined March 2010
Canada2817 Posts
September 30 2011 20:31 GMT
#685
Not really.
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Curu
Profile Joined March 2010
Canada2817 Posts
September 30 2011 20:32 GMT
#686
Forumite has done scummy things. Jackal is up there mostly from Palmar scum meta.
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Curu
Profile Joined March 2010
Canada2817 Posts
September 30 2011 20:35 GMT
#687
But in any case Incog might have to go before either of them.
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Curu
Profile Joined March 2010
Canada2817 Posts
September 30 2011 20:40 GMT
#689
Forumite would have to be really, really, really, really bad Town then. But I've always done a poor job of distinguishing people playing like retards from scum.
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Curu
Profile Joined March 2010
Canada2817 Posts
September 30 2011 20:57 GMT
#693
Looks his like play in Werewolves though where he soft defended his scumbuddy that I lynched day 1.
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Curu
Profile Joined March 2010
Canada2817 Posts
October 01 2011 02:01 GMT
#724
Haha he said sex.
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Curu
Profile Joined March 2010
Canada2817 Posts
October 01 2011 14:02 GMT
#738
No I would very much like to know if he is mute too.
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Curu
Profile Joined March 2010
Canada2817 Posts
October 01 2011 14:04 GMT
#739
On October 01 2011 22:42 Erandorr wrote:
Show nested quote +
On October 01 2011 21:22 supersoft wrote:
On October 01 2011 20:44 Forumite wrote:
On October 01 2011 20:08 wherebugsgo wrote:
All game Incog has been insinuating that he's been producing things of value, particularly in his fantastical "PM land." Have any of you seen these supposed things of value? Have any of you seen what Incog has contributed to this town?

I certainly haven't.

Instead, Incog has been acting exactly like the type of player he's targetting; like a scummy lurker.

The two PMs I´ve gotten from Incog has been him asking me to check up on people, people that I´ve has my own suspicions on, but still, that´s it. I haven´t asked for him to elaborate or state his case in PMs, so that´s all the I have on his PMing. It´s not a confirmation that Incog is unhelpfull in PM-land, but he hasn´t given me any help, at least.


two PMs imply, that you answered him. is that correct?


Why on earth would you ask that publicly after you stated that you think Scum is targeting mute players? How about you start contributing here in the thread and give us your thoughts on incog forumite and bugs?


And why is this even an issue? Mute or not mute, Mafia is still going to kill 2 people at night. Shooting a mute player doesn't magically give them an extra KP.
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Curu
Profile Joined March 2010
Canada2817 Posts
October 01 2011 17:10 GMT
#750
New accounts have a PM limit, he keeps hitting the limit with his account so he's using another one.
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Curu
Profile Joined March 2010
Canada2817 Posts
October 01 2011 17:28 GMT
#753
On October 02 2011 02:11 Erandorr wrote:
Show nested quote +
On October 02 2011 02:10 Curu wrote:
New accounts have a PM limit, he keeps hitting the limit with his account so he's using another one.


Curuuu. Kill Incog? What do you think


You tell me what you think first.
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Curu
Profile Joined March 2010
Canada2817 Posts
October 01 2011 19:38 GMT
#764
So out of your lurker list who do you think is most scummy right now?
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Curu
Profile Joined March 2010
Canada2817 Posts
October 01 2011 19:41 GMT
#765
Also why'd your case on Erandorr suddenly disappear for you to pick up prplhz? Erandorr is pretty fucking scummy.
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Curu
Profile Joined March 2010
Canada2817 Posts
October 01 2011 23:04 GMT
#798
Wait for one hour then do it Forumite.
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Curu
Profile Joined March 2010
Canada2817 Posts
October 01 2011 23:05 GMT
#799
Also Incognito is probably scum.
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Curu
Profile Joined March 2010
Canada2817 Posts
October 02 2011 00:36 GMT
#819
The thing I find fishy is Incog asked all these people to PM Erandorr but if he had PMed Erandorr himself it would have been apparently he is mute.
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Curu
Profile Joined March 2010
Canada2817 Posts
October 02 2011 00:38 GMT
#820
Apparent*

And since Incog has claimed he is doing all his work in PMs and not the thread, I highly doubt he wouldn't have tried to talk to his lynch candidate.
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Curu
Profile Joined March 2010
Canada2817 Posts
October 02 2011 00:48 GMT
#822
I didn't get anything about Erandorr btw, I got one asking about jcarl. Probably because he knew whatever happened I would not get off Palmar, idk.
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Curu
Profile Joined March 2010
Canada2817 Posts
October 02 2011 01:08 GMT
#827
I also don't know why he wouldn't come talk to me when I am confirmed Town. I am pretty sure the two people that have come forward to talk to me after the Palmar fiasco are Town.
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Curu
Profile Joined March 2010
Canada2817 Posts
October 02 2011 05:16 GMT
#883
lol is this serious?

Well here's my Skype log with Palmar:

[9/28/2011 11:09:15 AM] Charles Suo: hi palmar
[9/28/2011 12:43:29 PM] Charles Suo: hi palmar
[9/28/2011 12:43:45 PM] Palmar: sup
[9/28/2011 12:43:50 PM] Palmar: you're playing xlv?
[9/28/2011 12:44:05 PM] Charles Suo: yes
[9/28/2011 12:44:10 PM] Charles Suo: are you scum
[9/28/2011 12:44:16 PM] Palmar: I may or may not have accidentally told mig my role
[9/28/2011 12:44:24 PM] Palmar: because I didn't know he was playing
[9/28/2011 12:44:31 PM] Charles Suo: oh
[9/28/2011 12:44:38 PM] Charles Suo: lol
[9/28/2011 12:44:45 PM] Palmar: derp
[9/28/2011 12:44:48 PM] Charles Suo: indeed
[9/28/2011 12:44:54 PM] Palmar: you scum?
[9/28/2011 12:44:58 PM] Palmar: now you know I have a role!
[9/28/2011 12:45:10 PM] Charles Suo: i am town curu
[9/28/2011 12:45:13 PM] Charles Suo: which means you must be scum palmar
[9/28/2011 12:45:15 PM] Palmar: what kinda town?
[9/28/2011 12:45:23 PM] Charles Suo: the best kinda town
[9/28/2011 12:45:30 PM] Palmar: the scum-town?
[9/28/2011 12:45:50 PM] Palmar: I find it very scummy you're not willing to immediately claim to me
[9/28/2011 12:46:01 PM] Charles Suo: maybe I'm a mute breaking the rules
[9/28/2011 12:47:59 PM] Charles Suo: are you going to win LOTR
[9/28/2011 12:48:49 PM] Palmar: I don't think I am
[9/28/2011 12:48:53 PM] Palmar: isn't chaoser killing me?
[9/28/2011 12:49:20 PM] Charles Suo: maybe
[9/28/2011 12:49:27 PM] Charles Suo: but then as long as mafia doesnt hit you too youre aight!
[9/28/2011 12:49:31 PM] Palmar: yeah
[9/28/2011 12:49:35 PM] Palmar: are they gonna?
[9/28/2011 12:49:39 PM] Charles Suo: i dunno
[9/28/2011 12:49:42 PM] Palmar: ok
[9/28/2011 12:49:45 PM] Charles Suo: they always send their night actions in 10 mins before deadline
[9/28/2011 12:49:47 PM] Palmar: or some retard town checks me
[9/28/2011 12:49:53 PM] Palmar: also, this town

[REMOVED BECAUSE DISCUSSION OF LOTR MAFIA]

[9/28/2011 9:50:13 PM] Charles Suo: yay Palmar
[9/28/2011 9:50:15 PM] Charles Suo: you win!
[9/29/2011 6:22:30 AM] Charles Suo: are you scum
[9/29/2011 6:22:42 AM] Palmar: no
[9/29/2011 6:22:46 AM] Palmar: I think you are though
[9/29/2011 6:22:51 AM] Charles Suo: well im pretty obvious town
[9/29/2011 6:22:59 AM] Palmar: ...
[9/29/2011 6:23:24 AM] Charles Suo: wha
[9/29/2011 6:23:25 AM] Charles Suo: t
[9/29/2011 6:23:43 AM] Palmar: bitch,
[9/29/2011 6:24:21 AM] Charles Suo: incoming text wall
[9/29/2011 6:24:24 AM] Palmar: Look at your play in AA, now look back to this game, then look back to your play in AA, then back to this game. This game your play sucks, but if you started posting like non-scum you could look like you're town
[9/29/2011 6:24:31 AM] Charles Suo: lolol
[9/29/2011 6:24:33 AM] Palmar: but you're scum
[9/29/2011 6:24:42 AM] Charles Suo: AA was my first ever Mafia game as town bro
[9/29/2011 6:24:47 AM] Charles Suo: why you bringing that up
[9/29/2011 6:25:06 AM] Palmar: because that's the game I most distinctly remember you being town in
[9/29/2011 6:25:19 AM] Palmar: all other games I've been in with you I've been scum, so I haven't been reading the thread.
[9/29/2011 6:25:21 AM] Charles Suo: prolly cuz i spammed 200 posts in day 1
[9/29/2011 6:25:36 AM] Palmar: I don't actually read games when I'm scum
[9/29/2011 6:26:21 AM] Charles Suo: thats funny you werent reading this one either
[9/29/2011 6:26:26 AM] Charles Suo: although tbh neither have i
[9/29/2011 6:26:27 AM] Charles Suo: huh
[9/29/2011 6:26:34 AM] Charles Suo: but im town and you're probably not
[9/29/2011 6:28:44 AM] Charles Suo: is sinani mafia too
[9/29/2011 6:28:51 AM] Charles Suo: I really really wanna lynch him
[9/29/2011 6:28:51 AM] Charles Suo: again
[9/29/2011 6:29:53 AM] Palmar: yeah I'm not talking to you
[9/29/2011 6:29:56 AM] Palmar: you're scum.
[9/29/2011 6:30:08 AM] Palmar: Just noticed the order of your posts
[9/29/2011 6:30:10 AM] Palmar: against me
[9/29/2011 6:30:17 AM] Charles Suo: hm?
[9/29/2011 6:30:45 AM] Charles Suo: you have never incorrectly read me before except on purpose when you're scum
[9/29/2011 6:30:47 AM] Charles Suo: you must be scum
[9/29/2011 6:45:37 AM] Charles Suo: why are you so scummy
[9/29/2011 6:57:24 AM] Charles Suo: so palmero
[9/29/2011 6:57:27 AM] Charles Suo: was your role pm blue
[9/29/2011 6:57:43 AM] Palmar: yep
[9/29/2011 6:57:57 AM] Palmar: actually no
[9/29/2011 6:57:59 AM] Palmar: it had no color
[9/29/2011 6:58:05 AM] Palmar: it just said "BLU
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Curu
Profile Joined March 2010
Canada2817 Posts
October 02 2011 05:16 GMT
#884
Also think to yourself why would Kurumi threaten to modkill me if we were both scum?
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Curu
Profile Joined March 2010
Canada2817 Posts
October 02 2011 05:31 GMT
#886
The reason I didn't want to talk to WBG is because he's either playing like an idiot or scum. Why would I give my townreads to someone I don't want to discuss the game with.
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Curu
Profile Joined March 2010
Canada2817 Posts
October 02 2011 05:44 GMT
#888
And Erandorr and Mig can vouch for me being on my scumteam in XLIV. I raged hard at chaoser and Erandorr for doing nothing but busing teammates, and that was with 6 scum. Busing day 1 in a 4 scum game is even more retarded and completely not how I believe in playing as Mafia.

Incog and Kenpachi are almost definitely scum together. First off the only times that Kenpachi has ever posted a real case on anyone was when he was scum busing a teammate that was going to get lynched anyways. Kenpachi useless all of day 1 then comes in day 2 with a real, effort-driven analysis? lol. Me and Mig (mostly Mig) literally went through every Kenpachi game and this has always been the case.

Also:

On October 01 2011 10:08 Kenpachi wrote:
checking the time of this PM, it was 6:29 but i cant prove that unless i take a picture of my inbox but i wont do that cause thats cheating.


Why would a Townie ever give that much thought to PM times? That shouldn't even cross your mind when posting. So why does Kenpachi go so far to try to prove the PM time? Because he didn't actually receive that PM.

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Curu
Profile Joined March 2010
Canada2817 Posts
October 02 2011 15:11 GMT
#913
Yeah Kenpachi my apologies. Actually I formed the case in my head while I was at Nuite Blanche and I had thought the wording in your post was "if you think I'm lying the PM time is xxx" but when I got home and read what the post really was your wording was actually much different. I posted about it anyways but Kenpachi's reaction looks pretty Town.

I agree that Sevyrn looks pretty damn bad. He isn't just bandwagon hopper Sevyrn either, he carefully avoided the Palmar issue, didn't give any opinion on Incog but jumped super fast onto my retarded wagon.
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Curu
Profile Joined March 2010
Canada2817 Posts
October 02 2011 15:15 GMT
#914
And finally if anyone thinks I am manipulating Mig, anyone I have talked to knows what respect I hold for Mig as a Town player. I am pretty sure Mig would catch me fast if I talked to him nonstop in Skype like I am now. Actually I requested scum in XLIV but asked for Mig to be placed on my team too cause I was sure he would catch me as Town.
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Curu
Profile Joined March 2010
Canada2817 Posts
October 02 2011 18:14 GMT
#923
Alright well here's something interesting:

Incognito and NotChezinu both PMed me asking me how I felt about lynching jcarl. NotChez actually delayed posting his case on me until I told him point blank I would rather lynch Incognito than jcarlson. I am under the suspicion that if I were to express interest in lynching jcarl rather than Incog today the case would have been made by both of them against jcarl not me. If NotChez thought I was Mafia he had no reason to delay posting the case on me (all the info he presents was already out in the open for like 8 hours before I told him I am voting Incognito), instead he waited until after I told him I am going for Incognito not jcarl.

NotChez bases a huge part around how I went from "I'm not sure on Incog" to "let's lynch Incog" conveniently leaving out the PMs I sent him explaining:

He is now trying to convince Mig that I am Mafia trying to manipulate Mig because Mig won't release our convos to him. I honestly can't see a Town Incog doing this.

Plus Kenpachi actually did an analysis on him. A real one. The only time I have ever seen Kenpachi do analysis is when he is scum busing another scum.

Original Message From NotChezinu:
why?

Hide nested quote -
Original Message From Curu:
I think Incognito would be my choice today.


There's also other reasons I became more sold on Incognito but I'm not releasing that information.
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Curu
Profile Joined March 2010
Canada2817 Posts
October 03 2011 04:41 GMT
#959
Reading some logs I have it seemed like Incognito didn't even know what the argument that NotChez/WBG thought me scummy for. He had to ask WBG and have WBG explain it to him then immediately started calling for a Vig shot on me afterwards. Mig brought up that it actually looked like Incognito was the somewhat clueless Townie getting roped in by WBG and NotChezinu but the fact that Incog kept calling for a Vig that he knew was not mute (thus being the type that would lose their second bullet and become mute if they hit a Townie) to shoot two Townies on stupid reasoning, I didn't want to consider his Town play could derp like that. I doubt both WBG and NotChez can be scum and I think WBG looks more Townie overall although he has been pushing some pretty derp lynches and reads.

NotChez is GMarshal and I'd say this looks like his scumplay from Ace's Some Mafia Game. Tunneling one Townie each day with a terrible case while not commenting on anything else going on in the game really. That he stated he was going to try to softclaim Ver to get me lynched is pretty stupid. The discussion of Incog/NotChez/WBG was a couple of hours of them intricately scheming the best way to get me lynched; almost none of it (besides the start where Incog asked why I was the target) was actually discussing me being scummy. Looking at GM's play as Town in Cosmic Horror he actually pushed his scumreads hard rather than the half-assed stupid effort he has given in both this game and in SMG.
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Curu
Profile Joined March 2010
Canada2817 Posts
October 03 2011 23:09 GMT
#989
More likely there isn't actually a Medic left. I was pretty sure Mig was dying after prplhz flipped. Sigh.

I would definitely like to lynch NotChez today.
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Curu
Profile Joined March 2010
Canada2817 Posts
October 03 2011 23:35 GMT
#993
You seem to know an awful lot about the RBer Forumite. That wasn't how I interpreted it to work nor what is intuitive. Standard RBer would mean after it is used night 1 it can be used again night 2 (or if used day 1 it can be used again day 2, etc), which is how I interpreted it to work.

Is Forumite's post the way the RBer works?
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Curu
Profile Joined March 2010
Canada2817 Posts
October 03 2011 23:44 GMT
#996
Alright I just got RBed. So what Forumite was saying is indeed true.
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Curu
Profile Joined March 2010
Canada2817 Posts
October 03 2011 23:45 GMT
#997
Which also coincides with when NotChez decided to come post and right after I PMed him.

I am definitely down to kill NotChez now.
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Curu
Profile Joined March 2010
Canada2817 Posts
October 03 2011 23:49 GMT
#1000
No I won't take that deal because I know I am Town. Even if I said I took that deal I highly doubt I would get lynched after anyways so it is a moot point. Do I know you're scum? No. Do I think you have the highest chance to flip scum? Yes indeed.

That you haven't commented on anything else and continue to push this retarded wagon (Curu bused the arguably best Mafia role day 1, he must be Mafia!) rather than comment anything else makes me feel pretty damn good about you though.
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Curu
Profile Joined March 2010
Canada2817 Posts
October 03 2011 23:51 GMT
#1001
Oh fuck me I'm an idiot. Sorry guys -_-.
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Curu
Profile Joined March 2010
Canada2817 Posts
October 03 2011 23:53 GMT
#1004
lol wrong thread oops.
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Curu
Profile Joined March 2010
Canada2817 Posts
October 03 2011 23:55 GMT
#1006
Yeah.
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Curu
Profile Joined March 2010
Canada2817 Posts
October 04 2011 00:03 GMT
#1009
I'm pretty sure Kenpachi is Town and leaning Town on jcarl. Forumite and Sevyrn I can agree with.

Can you actually post reasoning or a case on any of these? You sure spent a lot of effort on that braindead case you did on me, surely you have some reasoning or notes you can backup the rest of your reads with.
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Curu
Profile Joined March 2010
Canada2817 Posts
October 04 2011 00:07 GMT
#1012
You honestly can't believe your own case and have that as your strongest scum read up until now. I have no idea how you managed to convince Incognito with such stupidity.
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Curu
Profile Joined March 2010
Canada2817 Posts
October 04 2011 00:41 GMT
#1025
GM if you are Town re-evaluate your case on me and ask yourself without your tunnel vision if you really believe it to be true.
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Curu
Profile Joined March 2010
Canada2817 Posts
October 04 2011 00:45 GMT
#1026
That I would bus the member who adds 1 KP every other night. You watched me play scum in your game (actually you watched me rage at chaoser there for busing). You know I don't bus, I even went balls to the wall to defend Mig which should've gotten me caught.

You bring up the Palmar had RL issues thing but look at how quickly Scamp replaced Lucidity. If Palmar really had to get out of the game there was a replacement waiting in the wings which would have made infinite more sense than busing the godamn Pyro.
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Curu
Profile Joined March 2010
Canada2817 Posts
October 04 2011 02:24 GMT
#1030
What I don't understand is why would NotChez got through the effort of making such a stupid countercase on me when Incognito was Town? If Incognito was scum it would have made sense so Mafia could save their KP but I can't see the motivation behind it now.

Another thing that concerns me is no one even tried to save Palmar except Incognito and WBG (and somewhat Forumite) and we saw how he flipped. This would indicate that the remaining Mafia team is possibly all among the lurkers since no one with any thread presence stepped forward to try to stop that lynch or direct another one.
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Curu
Profile Joined March 2010
Canada2817 Posts
October 04 2011 03:46 GMT
#1035
If it's scummy lurkers we're going for I would prefer a good look at sinani or Forumite.
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Curu
Profile Joined March 2010
Canada2817 Posts
October 04 2011 04:59 GMT
#1037
Forumite was considered Town mostly because of his actions during that night. There were also some little subtle things that Forumite did that seemed Townie.

sinani I am wondering about because he completely avoided the Palmar issue and then immediately jumped on the Incognito one. But there are things that just suggest careless Town on him too, such as leaving his vote until the deadline (modkill possibility).
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Curu
Profile Joined March 2010
Canada2817 Posts
October 04 2011 08:58 GMT
#1039
Actually reading through PTP1 I can't put it past GM to use fake emotions as scum. The point still stands that the attempted wagon makes no sense as Incog was Town but I'm still suspicious of GM.
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Curu
Profile Joined March 2010
Canada2817 Posts
Last Edited: 2011-10-04 17:56:15
October 04 2011 17:29 GMT
#1054
+ Show Spoiler +
No I wasn't informed but I can agree with it. It was my mistake and I should have remembered, especially since I just talked to Mig and realized he was RBed but couldn't claim the previous day.

Tell your next person you can't claim it though!
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Curu
Profile Joined March 2010
Canada2817 Posts
October 16 2011 03:28 GMT
#1661
Wow Nisani should have been instantly lynched when he faked the shot. There was absolutely, positively 0 reason for a Townie to do that.

My bad for getting modkilled, I legitimately forgot that I wasn't allowed to claim it. I even said "oh shit I'm a fucking idiot" cause I realized I was going to get modkilled lol.
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Curu
Profile Joined March 2010
Canada2817 Posts
October 16 2011 15:56 GMT
#1670
Yeah most of Town played so far below their standards (including me). Mig was the only one really carrying his own weight this game. Incognito kept asking supersoft to shoot Townies on ridiculously weak cases (he pressured him hard to shoot prplhz then me) so I thought there was no possible way he could be Town. That flip really threw me off and I had to reconsider everything but unfortunately got modkilled before I could.
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Curu
Profile Joined March 2010
Canada2817 Posts
October 16 2011 16:02 GMT
#1671
Oh Kenpachi too, he nailed two scum with both his shots.
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Curu
Profile Joined March 2010
Canada2817 Posts
October 18 2011 00:51 GMT
#1683
Yeah me and Mig had a system set up with Erandorr where we would ask him the result on the check and he would post it in the thread. Like we would give him 4 options of A, B, C, or D and he would type something like AAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAH to show his result.

Unfortunately we didn't tell anyone else he was the DT .
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