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Toadesstern
Profile Blog Joined October 2008
Germany16350 Posts
September 13 2011 01:51 GMT
#21
I just reread the set-ups and I'm not sure if that thing is correct or a typo so I'll quote:
Set Up:
1 Mafia Role Blocker, 2 Mafia Goons, 7 Town, 1 Medic, 1 Detective
1 Mafia Role Blocker, 2 Mafia Goons, 9 Town

3 Mafia Goons, 1 Medic, 8 Town.
3 Mafia Goons, 1 Detective, 8 Town.


Those 2 bottom ones look perfectly "balanced " between each other, 3 goons vs either 1medi+8 town OR 3 goons vs 1 dt+8 town. Looks good, 3 red, both times the same vs 8green+1blue on both.
However the first 2 are kinda crazy if you ask me.
It's either mafia vs 7 town + 1medic + 1dt or it's mafia vs 9 towns. So basicly, while red teams stays exactly the same again, town might play with 7 greens and 2 blues or with no blues at all.

This is my first ever mafia so I don't know if I'm talking bullshit right now, I just read it once again to get a view thougths about it and it seems strange to me so I'm asking about it. That one option is basicly just the same, except that it seems to be "weaker" in every possible aspect
Is there a reason for this? For example, take the 2nd one, if red turns out to be 3 guys playing for the first time, while town got all of those 2nd, or 3rd time players (i.e "buffin red 'cause they're 'bunch of noobs")? Or ist it a type and the second one needs to be buffed?
<Elem> >toad in charge of judging lewdness <Elem> how bad can it be <Elem> also wew, that is actually p lewd.
Toadesstern
Profile Blog Joined October 2008
Germany16350 Posts
September 13 2011 02:07 GMT
#22
Obviously I should not post at 3.51 am in the morning on tl.net after playing some poker with a few of my friends.

Is the not editing rule already in place although the game hasn't startet yet? :D
Would not have made a new post just for the spelling issues. I guess everyone knew what was meant anyway but since I'm combining that one with another question I'm fine, right? :p

Although another thought on the question one post above. I guess it should be 2 blues on 1st set and 2nd set right?
It's basicly: 1 blue for town if mafia does not have a roleblocker or 2 blues for town if mafia does have a roleblocker.
But in that case you'd only need 3 sets, cause 7 townies+dt+medic is the same as 7 townies+medic+dt.
So it all comes down to: Is there a reason why one set is just way weaker than those other 3 ones.
<Elem> >toad in charge of judging lewdness <Elem> how bad can it be <Elem> also wew, that is actually p lewd.
redFF
Profile Blog Joined November 2010
United States3910 Posts
September 13 2011 03:08 GMT
#23
ill have limited access until friday but feel free to ask me about stuff and ill try to answer :3
GreYMisT
Profile Blog Joined October 2010
United States6736 Posts
September 13 2011 03:09 GMT
#24
All of these setups are pretty equally balanced, GMarshal can comment on your questions better than I can though.

The no editing role is just for when the game starts to prevent editing out information in your posts
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Foolishness *
Profile Blog Joined May 2009
United States3044 Posts
September 13 2011 03:22 GMT
#25
You can edit your posts since the game hasn't started. Most people here will just double post since that's what we're used to, and this is the only place on TL where double posting is not frowned upon.

There are no typo's in the possible setups. They are designed this way to prevent either side from having complete information about the setup (at least at the start of the game). Consider the possibilities if we do what you suggested:

1 Mafia Role Blocker, 2 Mafia Goons, 7 Town, 1 Medic, 1 Detective
3 Mafia Goons, 1 Medic, 8 Town.
3 Mafia Goons, 1 Detective, 8 Town.

Say you are mafia and your team has a roleblocker. Then you know for absolute certainty that the town has a medic and a DT. However, if you get the DT role, you have no idea if there is a medic or not. This benefits the mafia as they have the information, and can use that to their advantage.

By adding in the fourth option, 1 Roleblocker 2 mafia 9 town, neither side has complete information anymore. Mafia have the roleblocker, but they have no idea whether they are up against 2 blues or not.

To say that the second setup is "weaker" for the town (or what have you) is not entirely true. This is especially true when the player base is good. For every good player, getting a blue role is a stocking stuffer; it's nice to have but not going to do that much in the long term. Good mafia players will kill the blues before they can pose a threat, and good town players never rely on blue roles to win the game.

Consider these two setups:

3 Mafia 1 medic 8 town
3 Mafia 9 town.

Is the first setup more town favored than the second? Yes. How much? Very little (remember the Medic cannot self protect). If we could run an experiment and test each of these 1000 times I doubt we'd see a significant difference in the outcomes. If you RNG these experiments they will converge to the same outcome as well (obviously doesn't mean anything to most people, but I find it interesting).

Also remember that mafia can (and should) counter claim any claiming attempt made by the town.
geript: "Foolishness's cases are persuasive and reasonable but leave you feeling dirty afterwards. Kinda like a whore." ---- Manager of the TL Mafia forum, come play!
GMarshal
Profile Blog Joined March 2010
United States22154 Posts
September 13 2011 03:27 GMT
#26
Foolishness pretty much nailed it with his explanation.
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GreYMisT
Profile Blog Joined October 2010
United States6736 Posts
Last Edited: 2011-09-13 03:38:21
September 13 2011 03:37 GMT
#27
Haha, I was actually trying to type some of that foolishness, but my attempts to explain it with any sort of clarity were failing me, so i just shamelessly passed it off to you guys
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Nisani201
Profile Joined September 2010
United States1400 Posts
Last Edited: 2011-09-13 03:38:34
September 13 2011 03:37 GMT
#28
On September 13 2011 12:22 Foolishness wrote:
There are no typo's in the possible setups

-----

In other news, /in.

nvmd, I didn't see that this was for new players only.
Enjoy your day.
Ciryandor
Profile Blog Joined May 2010
United States3735 Posts
September 13 2011 08:48 GMT
#29
/in!

Something less freaky for my tastes so I can practice my game skills. Somebody PM me when it starts. :p
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Toadesstern
Profile Blog Joined October 2008
Germany16350 Posts
September 13 2011 09:30 GMT
#30
ah ok that explains a lot
<Elem> >toad in charge of judging lewdness <Elem> how bad can it be <Elem> also wew, that is actually p lewd.
Fatesgod
Profile Joined July 2011
Canada8 Posts
September 14 2011 02:50 GMT
#31
/in
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Curu
Profile Joined March 2010
Canada2817 Posts
September 14 2011 02:52 GMT
#32
lmao might as well remake this to a Mini for smurfs GMan.
wat
GMarshal
Profile Blog Joined March 2010
United States22154 Posts
September 14 2011 03:01 GMT
#33
On September 14 2011 11:52 Curu wrote:
lmao might as well remake this to a Mini for smurfs GMan.

Nah, I don't think anyone is stupid enough to risk my wrath and the accompanying consequences of smurfing in a newbie game. Especially with the pre-game IP checks, and such.
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GreYMisT
Profile Blog Joined October 2010
United States6736 Posts
September 15 2011 00:06 GMT
#34
I don't think anyone wants to bring the wrath of GMarshal all up in here
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Hesmyrr
Profile Blog Joined May 2010
Canada5776 Posts
September 15 2011 00:40 GMT
#35
I'm actually surprised people did not expect like at least one smurf actually. I'm sure one of the vet players are joining in secretly as one of those "advisory" roles.
"If watching the MSL finals makes you a progamer, then anyone in Korea can do it." - Ha Tae Ki
wherebugsgo
Profile Blog Joined February 2010
Japan10647 Posts
September 15 2011 01:12 GMT
#36
too bad I've played 3 games or I'd join this hahahaha
chaoser
Profile Blog Joined November 2008
United States5541 Posts
September 15 2011 01:19 GMT
#37
/in
Haven't you heard? I'm not an ex-progamer. I'm not a poker player. I'm not an admin of the site. I'm mother fucking Rekrul.
chaoser
Profile Blog Joined November 2008
United States5541 Posts
September 15 2011 01:20 GMT
#38
I'm a noob plz
Haven't you heard? I'm not an ex-progamer. I'm not a poker player. I'm not an admin of the site. I'm mother fucking Rekrul.
GMarshal
Profile Blog Joined March 2010
United States22154 Posts
Last Edited: 2011-09-15 01:21:23
September 15 2011 01:20 GMT
#39
On September 15 2011 09:40 Hesmyrr wrote:
I'm actually surprised people did not expect like at least one smurf actually. I'm sure one of the vet players are joining in secretly as one of those "advisory" roles.

If there are any such "advisor smurfs" its certainly news to me. I'm the host, so I expect I would be informed if there were.

EDIT: Oh, hi mr... chauser was it? I've never heard of you before, I'll just go ahead and plop you on the player list :-P
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OriginalName
Profile Blog Joined July 2010
Canada1140 Posts
September 15 2011 01:37 GMT
#40
also Fatesgod is my younger brother so uh IPs might show up as the same.
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