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I just reread the set-ups and I'm not sure if that thing is correct or a typo so I'll quote:
Set Up:
1 Mafia Role Blocker, 2 Mafia Goons, 7 Town, 1 Medic, 1 Detective
1 Mafia Role Blocker, 2 Mafia Goons, 9 Town
3 Mafia Goons, 1 Medic, 8 Town.
3 Mafia Goons, 1 Detective, 8 Town.
Those 2 bottom ones look perfectly "balanced " between each other, 3 goons vs either 1medi+8 town OR 3 goons vs 1 dt+8 town. Looks good, 3 red, both times the same vs 8green+1blue on both.
However the first 2 are kinda crazy if you ask me.
It's either mafia vs 7 town + 1medic + 1dt or it's mafia vs 9 towns. So basicly, while red teams stays exactly the same again, town might play with 7 greens and 2 blues or with no blues at all.
This is my first ever mafia so I don't know if I'm talking bullshit right now, I just read it once again to get a view thougths about it and it seems strange to me so I'm asking about it. That one option is basicly just the same, except that it seems to be "weaker" in every possible aspect 
Is there a reason for this? For example, take the 2nd one, if red turns out to be 3 guys playing for the first time, while town got all of those 2nd, or 3rd time players (i.e "buffin red 'cause they're 'bunch of noobs")? Or ist it a type and the second one needs to be buffed?
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Obviously I should not post at 3.51 am in the morning on tl.net after playing some poker with a few of my friends.
Is the not editing rule already in place although the game hasn't startet yet? :D
Would not have made a new post just for the spelling issues. I guess everyone knew what was meant anyway but since I'm combining that one with another question I'm fine, right? :p
Although another thought on the question one post above. I guess it should be 2 blues on 1st set and 2nd set right?
It's basicly: 1 blue for town if mafia does not have a roleblocker or 2 blues for town if mafia does have a roleblocker.
But in that case you'd only need 3 sets, cause 7 townies+dt+medic is the same as 7 townies+medic+dt.
So it all comes down to: Is there a reason why one set is just way weaker than those other 3 ones.
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ill have limited access until friday but feel free to ask me about stuff and ill try to answer :3
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All of these setups are pretty equally balanced, GMarshal can comment on your questions better than I can though.
The no editing role is just for when the game starts to prevent editing out information in your posts
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Foolishness
United States3044 Posts
You can edit your posts since the game hasn't started. Most people here will just double post since that's what we're used to, and this is the only place on TL where double posting is not frowned upon.
There are no typo's in the possible setups. They are designed this way to prevent either side from having complete information about the setup (at least at the start of the game). Consider the possibilities if we do what you suggested:
1 Mafia Role Blocker, 2 Mafia Goons, 7 Town, 1 Medic, 1 Detective
3 Mafia Goons, 1 Medic, 8 Town.
3 Mafia Goons, 1 Detective, 8 Town.
Say you are mafia and your team has a roleblocker. Then you know for absolute certainty that the town has a medic and a DT. However, if you get the DT role, you have no idea if there is a medic or not. This benefits the mafia as they have the information, and can use that to their advantage.
By adding in the fourth option, 1 Roleblocker 2 mafia 9 town, neither side has complete information anymore. Mafia have the roleblocker, but they have no idea whether they are up against 2 blues or not.
To say that the second setup is "weaker" for the town (or what have you) is not entirely true. This is especially true when the player base is good. For every good player, getting a blue role is a stocking stuffer; it's nice to have but not going to do that much in the long term. Good mafia players will kill the blues before they can pose a threat, and good town players never rely on blue roles to win the game.
Consider these two setups:
3 Mafia 1 medic 8 town
3 Mafia 9 town.
Is the first setup more town favored than the second? Yes. How much? Very little (remember the Medic cannot self protect). If we could run an experiment and test each of these 1000 times I doubt we'd see a significant difference in the outcomes. If you RNG these experiments they will converge to the same outcome as well (obviously doesn't mean anything to most people, but I find it interesting).
Also remember that mafia can (and should) counter claim any claiming attempt made by the town.
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United States22154 Posts
Foolishness pretty much nailed it with his explanation.
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Haha, I was actually trying to type some of that foolishness, but my attempts to explain it with any sort of clarity were failing me, so i just shamelessly passed it off to you guys 
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On September 13 2011 12:22 Foolishness wrote:
There are no typo's in the possible setups
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In other news, /in.
nvmd, I didn't see that this was for new players only.
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/in!
Something less freaky for my tastes so I can practice my game skills. Somebody PM me when it starts. :p
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ah ok that explains a lot
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lmao might as well remake this to a Mini for smurfs GMan.
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United States22154 Posts
On September 14 2011 11:52 Curu wrote:
lmao might as well remake this to a Mini for smurfs GMan.
Nah, I don't think anyone is stupid enough to risk my wrath and the accompanying consequences of smurfing in a newbie game. Especially with the pre-game IP checks, and such.
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I don't think anyone wants to bring the wrath of GMarshal all up in here
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I'm actually surprised people did not expect like at least one smurf actually. I'm sure one of the vet players are joining in secretly as one of those "advisory" roles.
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too bad I've played 3 games or I'd join this hahahaha
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United States22154 Posts
On September 15 2011 09:40 Hesmyrr wrote:
I'm actually surprised people did not expect like at least one smurf actually. I'm sure one of the vet players are joining in secretly as one of those "advisory" roles.
If there are any such "advisor smurfs" its certainly news to me. I'm the host, so I expect I would be informed if there were.
EDIT: Oh, hi mr... chauser was it? I've never heard of you before, I'll just go ahead and plop you on the player list :-P
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also Fatesgod is my younger brother so uh IPs might show up as the same.
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EPT
