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raynpelikoneet

Finland43268 Posts

September 11 2011 22:51 GMT

#38

well, let's try this then!

/in

raynpelikoneet

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September 13 2011 15:13 GMT

#53

Yeah.. Just hoping we dont get some ppl who don't even try to be active. I know there are activity rules, but it ruins the fun if there are 5-10 ppl modkilled day 2 cos of inactivity. :D

raynpelikoneet

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September 17 2011 02:31 GMT

#199

On September 17 2011 09:57 kitaman27 wrote:
sandroba, you mentioned you won't be around until Sunday. Will you be providing your opening thoughts today so you don't earn yourself a free pass in the day one lynch?

Would you provide some info why would you like to heve me lynched? And why would you ever want to claim you have/had The Ring (at least at this stage of a game - or with this stage of info). Do you really think it's wise?

raynpelikoneet

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September 17 2011 09:39 GMT

#252

On September 17 2011 15:52 TranceStorm wrote:

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On September 17 2011 15:36 Cyber_Cheese wrote:

On September 17 2011 15:03 TranceStorm wrote:

On September 17 2011 14:57 Cyber_Cheese wrote:

On September 17 2011 14:36 TranceStorm wrote:
Debating about who should get the ring and what each role can or cannot do at the moment is pointless at the current time. However, I do like one of the plans that was proposed by a few people: having the person who successfully passed on the ring claim themselves. This way, we can enable a 'chain' to be made - i.e. the first player can confirm the second player once the second player has passed on the ring themselves. This is all dependent on the assumption that evil players cannot pass the ring themselves which as Radfield pointed out, is probably a true assumption.

Given this, however, this plan would probably only be effective for the first few 'passes' and perhaps near the end of the game when town circles become more clear. The risk after the first few days that the person holding the ring is killed, or has the ring stolen (which is a possible role according to the OP) makes the plan ineffective.

Therefore, I think that such a plan should work for the first 2 or 3 days to confirm at least one or two people. Any thoughts or ideas about this? I haven't fully fleshed this out yet (i.e. the possibility of fake claims is strong), but its probably a better discussion than the arbitrary finger-pointing going on at the moment.

I'm not sure if you realise it or not but that plan sounds awfully anti-town.
How do we guarantee that even those 1-3 people can pass the ring in the first place?
And even if they can, how does that confirm anybody?

In this game, only people with roles that relate to the ring should bother searching for it secretly, and if the ring is passed it will either be the fruits of their efforts or a complete accident.
As for the effects of the ring, there is no real way to find out, the only people that know are the ring bearers and mentioning that you have it/explaining what it does is virtually ensuring you get killed overnight in the hopes that you can't pass it.

First, if the players in question cannot pass the ring, then the plan does not go into effect. A player only announces that they had the ring in the previous turn. If they can't pass it on, they stay silent and we are none the wiser.

Second, given Radfield's argument that evil players probably don't have the mechanic to pass the ring (otherwise they would pass it amongst themselves), if we can get two successive passes, that would confirm at least one player. The danger of course is passing to a mafia player, but that probability initially is small.

At any rate, I think it is pretty likely that the ring will worm into non-town hands (whether 3rd party or mafia) given that non-town players will constantly search and probe every turn. There's no way to comprehensively prevent them from getting the ring, therefore, why not get some benefit to it.

Finally, another point that can be made is that the player who passes on the ring and reveals themselves can also reveal what the ring does. Given that every player already covets it, it would be nice to at least have that information.

So basically you want people to say "I had the ring guys, I managed to pass it off, but I'm not saying to who" and maybe list it's effects?
We can't be sure evil players can't pass the ring, and if the person who claimed to have got rid of it was telling the truth or not.
There is way too much uncertainty, and I believe only a non-town party would be trying to push a bad plan to get the ring
Unless you can come up with a really good reason you care so much about the ring bearer
##Vote TranceStorm

I don't understand why someone saying 'I had the ring guys, I managed to pass it off, but I'm not saying to who' would be that harmful. If they do so, they can also reveal what the ring does which reduces much of the speculation about what the ring actually does and how it affects the game.

I agree that there is uncertainty. That's why I dropped the whole 'chain' part. I see that it is far too risky and I assumed to much. But having one player (who can choose to do this or not and specifically when they want to do so as well) claim after passing the ring on and telling the town about the ring's effects would help. Of course, this would cause alot of scrutiny, but that would be no different from when any other person claims a role.

And if you believe that I'm scum, that's fine, but you would be making an incorrect choice. In the end, it was simply an idea I had to bounce around ideas. Did our discussion harm the town? No it didn't.

That would be harmful IMO becouse of following reasons:

1. IMO it's obvious that mafia want's to control the Ring.

2. If I was mafia, i would want to know every info i can get of the Ring, especially in the first day when there is nothing much to talk about besides the hidden powers in game.

3. Do you think it would be more benefit to town (than to maf) to claim you passed the ring, and revealed what you could do with it. Consider tha following scenario: I had the ring and just passed it. I claim that, and i also claim the power of the Ring. If mafia believes my claim, they have one less suspect of ring carriers. They also could analyze my posts and have at least some idea who i did pass the ring (and for sure who i did absolutely not pass it). When i claim what the ring does, i could think that it would be at least softclaiming my role (considering the ring plays different with different roles).

So TranceStorm, do you think this scenario benefits town over mafia? Or does anyone think i got something wrong here?

raynpelikoneet

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September 17 2011 09:47 GMT

#253

On September 17 2011 18:23 Drazerk wrote:

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Find scum and we will give you the ring.

Not the other way around.

rofl, exactly my thoughts.

What are you going to accomplish with that attitude WBG?

raynpelikoneet

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September 17 2011 12:27 GMT

#264

On September 17 2011 20:57 prplhz wrote:
So if the ring bearer is lynched the ring goes to a random person who voted for him. This will encourage all scum to all vote for the person who is most likely to get lynched, so scum will have a bigger chance of procuring the ring. This makes it twice as important to have at least two candidates with as many votes as each other.

This doesn't make any sense. Scum could possibly have vote altering powers. Also the more townies vote someone, the more likely it is to get the Ring to town.

raynpelikoneet

Finland43268 Posts

September 17 2011 20:37 GMT

#338

My vote is on prplhz, at least now. Let's c if anything new comes up before day ends.

##vote prplhz

raynpelikoneet

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September 17 2011 21:21 GMT

#348

On September 18 2011 05:52 DoctorHelvetica wrote:

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Contributed nothing this game so far now just announcing a sheep vote. Explain why. Why is prplhz more convincing than other candidates? What do you think about the gollum/ring discussion?

I have already told it earlier, if you cared to read. Here.

On September 17 2011 21:27 raynpelikoneet wrote:

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This doesn't make any sense. Scum could possibly have vote altering powers. Also the more townies vote someone, the more likely it is to get the Ring to town.

At this point i find nothing more suspicious than this.

And for the gollum thing. I don't think he would be worth lynching, yet.

For the Ring discussion i have stated my opinion. Feel free to filter and check out what my opinion is.

raynpelikoneet

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September 19 2011 23:17 GMT

#756

I's sorry about my inactivity for a day. I was @ LAN and I couldn't know the internet would be cut down there @ sunday. Then i got home and was too tired to get my gear up, so i couldn't post before the lynch.

@ Sandroba: I didn't even think i had a "case" against prplhz. He chit-chatted about the ring, and when i put up some pressure vote against him (after a proposition that was imo bad), he responded something about my total postcount in TL forums. I actually found that as an insult. Like this:

On September 18 2011 06:15 prplhz wrote:

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wow what a 100th post i'm so blown away i want to vote for me too now

My suspicions went up.

Then he came up with a post against DrH (which was actually pretty good, now that i read it again in a different mindset).

(actually this is the last post i've seen him post before i was off internet)

I was never even sure my vote would stay on him, at least if I was there like ~2before voting ends. Not becouse of prplhz's posts, but becouse of other ppl's posts. I clearly see what did you mean there. I just couldn't get online earlier.

On September 19 2011 15:10 sandroba wrote:
This rayn guy looks terrible aswell, do you have any previous games I can skim through?

And yes. I am terrible. And No, i havn't played any games before, so no skimming trough sry. :/
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For the Errandor case. I would have never switched my vote to him. I think mafia got an easy "out-of-nowhere-target" becouse of his "lie". But if you think about it. Was he lying? About the edited post:

On September 19 2011 06:24 Erandorr wrote:
wrong thread -.- sorry

On September 19 2011 06:24 Erandorr wrote:
oh shit i thought this was the voting thread
crap :/

I think he thought he posted in the voting thread (cos Mig's votecount is couple posts up), and then by some reason edited it. He even stated it later on. Where was he lying?

prplhz's vote on him is obviously well reasoned. He didn't want to get lynched himself. I think we should look after some other ppl who voted him at day 2.

Also we should look around ppl who voted prplhz, cos there we find scum for sure (somebody mentioned it before right?).

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I also agree that all the lynch targets day 1 were awful.

Day 2 my suspicions are on DrH and Chaoser, maybe some other ppl too. Let's get to that when I'm back from work (smth about 18:00 CET, that would be 17 hour from now).

raynpelikoneet

Finland43268 Posts

September 19 2011 23:21 GMT

#760

And btw that post was about to go up before the daypost, but then i realized that the day post was just about to come up, and waited for it.

raynpelikoneet

Finland43268 Posts

September 20 2011 13:32 GMT

#861

Why is it so clear to you all (nearly) that sandroba is town? Think about this:

He gets a day 1 free pass. His suspects are at night 1 mostly lurkers. Then he states that all the lynches were terrible (which is true) to get much of town credit. However i don't understand either, why noone did see the Ciryandor/prplhz case as it was after the claim. But when I came back and read the thread, it was obvious. All ppl he claimed obvious town are now dead (minus prp, and he was protected).

Then his case about DrH. First he says: "I think docH may be mafia but I'm more curious about chaoser right now."

After some time it goes to: "DocH I really can't tell"

And last: "I'm trying to decide who to lynch amongst jackal/igrok/ggq/on/palmar."

Did you miss DrH there? Even after prp's suspicious post about DrH (and he was confirmed town later). After that DrH is modkilled and flips Sauron lol.
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Actually, I want you to all think yourself at the position sandroba was @ night 1. For me it's kinda easy, cos I was nearly at the same position. I was cut off internet, but at least I had to do something day 1.

I'm not saying you are 100% mafia, but this is a scenario I find interesting too. All I'm saying don't give him another free pass (to town) just becouse he's play was very pro town night 1. I could have done the same, even though I'm terrible.

raynpelikoneet

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September 20 2011 13:44 GMT

#865

On September 20 2011 22:33 kitaman27 wrote:
Err sorry chaos. Hope to see you around again in the future.

I may have been wrong, but at least I'm trying to make a case towards someone.

syllo, GGQ, supersoft, Vain, JeeJee, GreYMisT, rayn, cyber, iGrok, heist, Drazerk, Pryro....its as if they are all dropping by to make a post or two, maybe pushing a lynch half heartedly and then not posting again for another 12 hours or until someone brings them up. It's really hard to distinguish where one stands from another with their current activity.

I was about to push a lynch DrH actively day 2, but now it's irrelevant. You can chech my post at the beginning of day 2, where I told my main targets. I will focus on reading chaosers and sandrobas posts carefully today, and I have some other suspicions too. Sandroba was @ that list in the beginning of day 2, and my suspicions went up cos of DrH flip.

Kitaman, what do you think of my earlier post (about sandroba)?

raynpelikoneet

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September 20 2011 13:53 GMT

#866

I meant to say sandroba wasn't on the list, but i thought it (what i posted a couple of minutes ago). I just wanted to see more post from him before I said anything, and the "DrH dropping silently dropping away from his list" really made me think more about it.

raynpelikoneet

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September 20 2011 14:14 GMT

#871

This is why I suspect chaoser:

On September 18 2011 03:25 chaoser wrote:

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Like radfield said, let's lynch scum not for info. What suspicions do you have? What do you think about prplhz? This is your first post and it leaves much to be desired.

Guys, wherebugsgo, trancestorm, and drazrek are horrible lynches. They're not hiding behind anything. They are being very open and contributing, if they really are scum, as long as they keep contributing like they are now, we WILL figure it out.' I already talked about WBG and trance, and for drazerk mafia generally don't join votes so early on, especially a vote on one as silly as greyjoy's. They rather point out how ridiculous it is and try to get town cred through seeming "correct".

I said I leaned townie on drh and drazrek which isn't that intense a statement so I don't understand why jcarlsoniv finds it such a large leap. Will be keeping an eye on you.

For the time being I hope people can see why prphlz is acting scummy and vote him over all the "easy targets".

He thinks DrH is town, i'll come back to that later.

On September 19 2011 07:32 chaoser wrote:
Radfield, I'm all for voting eraddorr off especially given his "wrong thread" lie. I still however think prplhz is mafia. You once said "I agree 100%". Was wondering what you opinion on him now is.

It wasn't a lie.

On September 20 2011 08:19 chaoser wrote:
Woe is my life as I have been shot. Thankfully I am not dead. Don't worry though shooter, I have your bullet and I hope to return the favor. I always repay my debts.

I don't think he was shot, though, I might be wrong.

On September 20 2011 12:39 chaoser wrote:

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Add sandroba to that list of likely to be townie. He was the only person to point out and call me out on the prphlz/ciryandor connection that I missed.

Still trusty for DrH, also to sandroba, which I find somewhat suspicious.

On September 20 2011 15:13 chaoser wrote:

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raynpelikoneet is probably town.

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Supersoft gets some town cred from this post.

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Even more from this one.

That's it for now, and I'll be busy for the next day but people should read over DrH's previous posts and note people that he talks about but never responds to him. Mafia like to not be tied to each other so people who are directly avoiding mentioning each other or only have the slightest of mentions.

He posts this AFTER DrH died. WTF?

raynpelikoneet

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September 20 2011 14:19 GMT

#872

I meant to say chaoser posted his "thoughts" about DrH 30min AFTER he died.

raynpelikoneet

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September 20 2011 14:33 GMT

#882

On September 20 2011 23:24 syllogism wrote:
The issue with chaoser being scum is that it's very unlikely that WBG was a mafia hit, so if they have the standard 3 kp, there is one KP missing and no one else has claimed a hit. I suppose it's possible mafia hit SK (the real gollum? would make sense for him to kill wbg I suppose and the flavor would fit) and thus he was free to claim the hit, but it's more likely that he really was hit. No way they double stacked prplhz or wiggles.

Or then mafia didn't hit anyone and made chaoser claim a hit, that coudn't be counterclaimed?

raynpelikoneet

Finland43268 Posts

September 20 2011 14:34 GMT

#883

..with their 3rd KP.

raynpelikoneet

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September 20 2011 14:38 GMT

#885

On September 20 2011 23:19 raynpelikoneet wrote:
I meant to say chaoser posted his "thoughts" about DrH 30min AFTER he died.

I think he is posting about how DrH played day 1, so we can use that to find other scum that may be connected. That's a pretty typical thing to do after a scum flips.
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And still he was defending DrH day 1, even in day 2 before DrH flipped? Also I was suspicious about him in the beginning of day 2, whe i read the whole thread over. I actually find supersoft likely to be town, so why wouldn't he defend us earlier? Those DrH post are pretty old though.

raynpelikoneet

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September 20 2011 14:40 GMT

#887

Damn these quoting.. But i guess you got my point Kita.

raynpelikoneet

Finland43268 Posts

September 20 2011 14:50 GMT

#889

On September 20 2011 23:43 syllogism wrote:

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Why would they hit WBG? From mafia perspective he was either a possibly bullet proof third party or a lying town, and either way a likely vig target or a lynch candidate. Moreover, look at the list of players in the game and try to come up with a scum team that would prioritize wbg, especially given the other aforementioned factors.

Actually i you consider my scenario about sandroba being mafia, it's very likely. He stated that WBG is his most pro town read.

raynpelikoneet

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September 20 2011 14:52 GMT

#891

On September 19 2011 13:25 sandroba wrote:
Yo WBG man, talk to me. Are you really 3rd party, and was that claim for real? Why are you putting so much effort into scum hunting if your only goal is to find the ring?
I don't really understand your play so far. You know what's funny, except for the part where you claim 3rd party you are actually one of my strongest town reads atm.

Also I believe Cyrandor claimed some interesting tidbits about prplhz and no one seemed to give a shit. Chaoser wtf man? Why didn't you look more into cyrandor's claim if prplhz was your main suspicion day1? Do you really think 2 mafia would tie themselves to each other day1 this easy?

ON and GGQ need to post more. These guys have the annoying habbit of lurking as both alignments so I never feel safe lynching them when they go into hardcore lurker mode. Could you please commit a bit more time this game so I can burn you alive if you are scum?

Palmar, you too man. Just because you roll scum 20x doesn't mean you are going to fool me by statistics again =P

Here is the post to be exact.

raynpelikoneet

Finland43268 Posts

September 20 2011 14:54 GMT

#892

On September 20 2011 23:52 Palmar wrote:
I think that's a bit of a stretch, mafia generally like killing people rayn, I like most everything else you're posting. We have no idea how many kp are actually in this game, could be a crazy amount. So what I'm saying is that your case on chaoser is not bad, but you can't base it around the assumption mafia held their shots.

@jcarl: sure, I played one game with you and you spent most of the time defending mafia and voting townies. I don't wanna be a dick though, so here's a hint: Re-read what you posted about my play.

It could've been a SK shot too, read my post above.

raynpelikoneet

Finland43268 Posts

September 20 2011 15:00 GMT

#895

I actually think I'm grasping too on this game. Though I might be horribly wrong. But we'll see. :D

raynpelikoneet

Finland43268 Posts

September 20 2011 15:19 GMT

#897

Syllo, what are your thought about sandroba? Do you think he is 100% town or can you even consider otherwise. If so, why?

raynpelikoneet

Finland43268 Posts

September 20 2011 15:24 GMT

#898

Oh noes. Got to go, just when I was on fire. I'll be back after ~5h, or then tomorrow ~17:00 CET. Think hard guys.

raynpelikoneet

Finland43268 Posts

September 21 2011 14:26 GMT

#1074

On September 21 2011 22:14 Drazerk wrote:

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We have better targets
Not really if he's lying I'd rather a vigi take care of it.
People are already shooting at him over the claim, some idiot will shoot him either Mafia before he has a chance to go through with his plan or a vigilante. If your going to ask about possible medics I'd rather they focus their attentions elsewhere.

What better targets do we have? And why would you give him +1 day, so when he knows at night he's gonna die tomorrow he can randomly shoot someone.

Also it's pretty much comfirmed he is not town, let it be 3rd party or mafia. At least I can't be sure which he is.

raynpelikoneet

Finland43268 Posts

September 21 2011 16:30 GMT

#1102

I would be actually more interested finding mafia than a 3rd party, but as I see it we really have no choise this point but lynch iGrok. Or do we?

raynpelikoneet

Finland43268 Posts

September 21 2011 17:15 GMT

#1104

On September 22 2011 01:46 Cyber_Cheese wrote:

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I feel like this whole case on iGrok is just mafia leading the lynch, because aside from his apparently senseless claim there isn't much on him. He could have just done what Palmar is doing right now and ignored anything that put him in a negative light, but he chose to come forward with his role, and now I believe the mafia are using the role claim to blind town from the questions we raise on them, the most notable of which being iGroks argument against Palmar attached to his role claim.

This is what I believe is happening too. iGrok also said in his big post that he finds sandrobas actions scummy, actually after that he said "if sandroba didn't look so damn scummy...".

iGrok, why do you find sandrobas actions scummy? imo he hasn't done any scummy actions (besides softly accusing DrH and then slowly drifted away from it).

raynpelikoneet

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September 21 2011 17:22 GMT

#1106

On September 22 2011 02:17 prplhz wrote:
am i the only one who thinks that it's weird that the dude straight up claimed in the face of 3 votes if he was 3rd party he could just have made an analysis and then we'd have backed off but he chose to make an inconsistent claim instead and now he is not talking at all. the dude is so scum.

This is a possibility that i consider, and this is why i see no way why we could let him live another night.

raynpelikoneet

Finland43268 Posts

September 21 2011 17:29 GMT

#1110

On September 22 2011 02:25 jcarlsoniv wrote:

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But I don't understand, logically, why with only 3 votes, he would claim as scum.

I don't logically understand why he claimed at all.

raynpelikoneet

Finland43268 Posts

September 21 2011 17:37 GMT

#1114

On September 22 2011 02:31 Palmar wrote:

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Stop giving bad advice.

If you have a good case, make it. If it doesn't take off, take a stance towards the other cases. If you think one of the cases is not terrible, vote for that, because townies voting random wagons that aren't working gives mafia statistically more sway in the vote.

True, also considering there is that one ring in the game. What if iGrok survived the shot cos of this line.

"I know what happens when I get the ring. I become Bulletproof."

Would it be wise for town not to vote him?

raynpelikoneet

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September 21 2011 17:58 GMT

#1124

On September 22 2011 02:49 Drazerk wrote:
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He lied about the editing which through me over the fence.

No.

Why is everyone saying Errandor lied about editing, when he clearly didn't?

raynpelikoneet

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September 21 2011 18:28 GMT

#1137

On September 22 2011 03:18 chaoser wrote:

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He said "oops, wrong thread" and when mig/curu posted what he edited out, it was a defense of himself. That doesn't seem very "wrong thread" to me.

He clearly thought he was posting to voting thread, which he stated after editing. That's clearly a BIG mistake, but by no means a lie.

raynpelikoneet

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September 21 2011 18:32 GMT

#1147

On September 22 2011 03:13 chaoser wrote:
iGrok's claim makes no sense as a mafia, it makes more sense as a third party trying to fulfill their wincon early. I'm ok with a jackal lynch. He's posting a lot in the pony thread, not a lot here. Everything else radfield has said. If wherebugsgo is a mafia hit then it makes sense for jackal to push for the ring to be given to wherebugsgo. WBG gets ring, dies to mafia.

##vote: Jackal58

That would be the eaasy way to explain WBG mafia hit.

Also Jackal's proposition to give the ring to WBG and see what happens don't seem scummy to me, it just gives a reason to mafia to kill WBG night 1 and push a lynch on Jackal day 2.

raynpelikoneet

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September 21 2011 19:00 GMT

#1184

On September 22 2011 03:57 chaoser wrote:

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On September 22 2011 03:55 Jackal58 wrote:

On September 22 2011 03:37 chaoser wrote:

On September 22 2011 03:25 kitaman27 wrote:

Could you explain how your opinion shifted from lynching igrok to letting him live in such a short amount of time? How did the claim go from scum to no sense as mafia? Also, what in specific about radfield's case makes you think jackal is scum?

I never said he was scum. I was thinking how it was protactinium all over again (black role saying it would help town if town helped it) and voted him on a jerk-knee reaction. 5 minutes later I remembered that the way we dealt with the prot case was to just let him die and not wasting a lynch. We're here to lynch mafia, not waste time on third parties. A third party lynch is a lynch that mafia loves. They get to pile on to the vote with almost no repercussions since black role is "anti-town" and it also gets rid of a competitor. Let the mafia deal with it, I assume iGrok is balrog=SK since he's apparently bulletproof (syg day shot him).

This part got me convinced:

He also claims that he's fine with lynching either Prp or WBG and that both are scummy.

Although after prplhz's last post he is putting forth a 100% complete scum agenda. I'm ok with lynching either of them. (WBG or prplhz)

Yet later in the thread jackal makes two things very clear. One: WBG is very likely third party(pushes this multiple times) and Two: Jackal would vote for a scummy player but doesn't find anyone else scummy:

Oh the one where I thought lynching a 3rd party suspect was better than a mislynch?

I can understand if there was a transition between the two but there wasn't. He goes from "I think prp is a good scum vote straight to "vote wbg!".

What about you?

Put it in the context it was posted in.

On September 18 2011 21:44 Jackal58 wrote:
Then I suppose it's time for a paradigm shift Mr. jcarlsoniv.
Although after prplhz's last post he is putting forth a 100% complete scum agenda. I'm ok with lynching either of them. (WBG or prplhz)

You've just flip flopped on iGrok and me. I guess that makes you scum.

I posted my reasoning for the switch (he's probably third party, let mafia deal with him). You didn't.

He wins with mafia, why would mafia deal with him?

raynpelikoneet

Finland43268 Posts

September 21 2011 19:01 GMT

#1185

I meant to say, at least that is what he claims.

raynpelikoneet

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September 21 2011 19:18 GMT

#1195

On September 22 2011 04:03 chaoser wrote:

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On September 22 2011 04:00 raynpelikoneet wrote:

On September 22 2011 03:57 chaoser wrote:

On September 22 2011 03:55 Jackal58 wrote:

On September 22 2011 03:37 chaoser wrote:

On September 22 2011 03:25 kitaman27 wrote:

I can understand if there was a transition between the two but there wasn't. He goes from "I think prp is a good scum vote straight to "vote wbg!".

What about you?

Put it in the context it was posted in.

You've just flip flopped on iGrok and me. I guess that makes you scum.

I posted my reasoning for the switch (he's probably third party, let mafia deal with him). You didn't.

He wins with mafia, why would mafia deal with him?

He wins by SURVIVING. That's with either party, town or mafia. If he's bulletproof (which apparently he ISN'T anymore) then he would only die by being lynched. That makes it easier to ally with town so we wouldn't lynch him. At that time, I wrote that post based on the information then (he got shot, survived, he looked like he was lying in his claim).

Yeah, he wins with mafia TOO, so why would mafia kill waste a KP on him over townie? He can pick his side and he sure will pick a side that suits him best.

Also no townie can confirm 100% that iGrok actually isn't mafia.

On September 22 2011 04:05 syllogism wrote:
He is still claiming to be Balrog the Neutral Survivor who had to kill a townie (wait woops he doesn't even have to personally kill him despite having abilities specifically designed for it!) before he wins and then he can win with either alignment! And our win con is to purge all Evil so if Balrog isn't evil, well Curu really messed up

Also this. Something stinks about iGrok's claim for sure.

##Vote iGrok

iGrok i still would like to hear your response, why do you find sandroba scummy?

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September 21 2011 19:26 GMT

#1197

On September 22 2011 04:24 Cyber_Cheese wrote:

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Agreed, I don't think chaoser and iGrok are part of a scum team together. If he planned to bus his teammate, he would have kept his vote there.

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On September 22 2011 04:18 raynpelikoneet wrote:

On September 22 2011 04:03 chaoser wrote:

On September 22 2011 04:00 raynpelikoneet wrote:

On September 22 2011 03:57 chaoser wrote:

On September 22 2011 03:55 Jackal58 wrote:

On September 22 2011 03:37 chaoser wrote:

On September 22 2011 03:25 kitaman27 wrote:

I can understand if there was a transition between the two but there wasn't. He goes from "I think prp is a good scum vote straight to "vote wbg!".

What about you?

Put it in the context it was posted in.

You've just flip flopped on iGrok and me. I guess that makes you scum.

I posted my reasoning for the switch (he's probably third party, let mafia deal with him). You didn't.

He wins with mafia, why would mafia deal with him?

Also this. Something stinks about iGrok's claim for sure.

##Vote iGrok

iGrok i still would like to hear your response, why do you find sandroba scummy?

If we use his ability and hit a scum, it puts us in a very advantageous position. Mafia might kill him in the hopes that he doesn't choose to use his kill.

Can you confirm 100% iGrok is not mafia?

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September 21 2011 19:32 GMT

#1202

On September 22 2011 04:28 chaoser wrote:

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You are blue fishing so fucking hard right now

Yeah, sorry about that. I meant to say:

What makes you and Cyber_Cheese think iGrok would ally town over mafia?

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September 21 2011 19:37 GMT

#1205

On September 22 2011 04:33 Cyber_Cheese wrote:

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Town is the majority, his kill would end the game faster if it were to hit a mafia, and that brings his victory closer as well as ours.

Or then he can wait to the late game and see which side is more powerful. Right now mafia is doing far better then town.

And town still can't be sure he is not mafia, only mafia knows that.

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September 21 2011 19:53 GMT

#1209

On September 22 2011 04:48 Cyber_Cheese wrote:

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Only because we seem to be concerning ourselves with the third parties, don't forget the scum kp usually goes down as they die, and we can try and find one today to kill. If iGrok's kill isn't on the person we want it on, we lynch him tomorrow and he loses. We don't have to hand over the ring and seal the deal he proposed, he's going to value his survival and eventual victory more than he will value the spite of wasting his kp on one of us.

You are kinda right there, but as i see it, i'd give iGrok 0% chance of flipping town, 80% 3rd party, and 20% mafia.

That's the best case i got, and i dont think i can come up with anything better until final votecount. That's why iGrok needs to come back from the shadows and try to say at least something, becouse every second i'm more convinced that he is actually mafia and about to earn a free pass for many days.

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September 21 2011 20:10 GMT

#1211

On September 22 2011 04:56 TranceStorm wrote:

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There's a slight problem with this scenario. The issue is that if iGrok's kill goes off on the wrong target, then lynching him would waste a valuable lynch that would be used for another target. (Much like how lynching him now would waste a potential lynch - the difference is that he can't act in any way in the future).

iGrok's advantage to the town is that he can search for two very specific targets and has a single night kill which could be used in any way, but besides that he becomes quite useless.

How do you know there are two targets he could search? He stated himself he's not sure if Radagast even is in the game.

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September 21 2011 21:41 GMT

#1241

And iGrok, in your big post u stated Sandroba has acted scummy. Why is that?

Oh and also, ##Unvote iGrok

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September 21 2011 21:46 GMT

#1244

^ same

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September 21 2011 21:48 GMT

#1247

##vote: Jackal58

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September 22 2011 16:27 GMT

#1363

On September 22 2011 20:25 syllogism wrote:
Sandroba why are you not putting any effort into the game? Is it because you are scum/third party? Why did you flip flop about GGQ without stating your reasons? You wanted to keep the lynch between igrok and jackal and then suddenly wanted igrok to shoot GGQ?

Well who do you think he should shoot within these three? The dead guy? Himself? Actually my opinion is that he should shoot himself.

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September 22 2011 16:50 GMT

#1367

On September 23 2011 00:59 chaoser wrote:

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Right, and I'm saying you overestimate my abilities. I'm not foolishness and I'm not radfield. They're both WAY better players than I am. I'd say I'm above average at most. The only game I did super well in was the one where I fake claimed DT as Vet and even then that was a crapshoot. I made a bunch of wrong reads in the prot game (really only catching GM and Jackal and the GM one was more based on meta since I had just played a PM game with him where I talked to him the whole game on skype) and aside from that I'm not a scum catching machine (you can look at my long history of games, I only started getting "good" recently.)

I can see that Drazerk and iGrok are connected, clearly. And I can also entertain the thought that they are both mafia, but in that case this whole balrog/medic protect/cleave thing is probably pre-planned in which case all three of them (drazerk, igrok, and syllogism) are mafia.

For the last paragraph. Yeah, me too. Drazerk started to give out medic hints AFTER iGrok was shot by syllo. My opinion is, that Drazerk - iGrok are connected somehow, either Drazerk is town medic who made a pretty bad call, or he's lying, or he's mafia medic (both of the last 2 need to iGrok flip mafia), so it's impossible to tell at this point for sure.

I'd like to add Radfield to this scenario, becouse of this quote from him:

Here's the thing, if iGrok was confirmed Third Party, we would absolutely NOT be lynching him. Thing is, this is a totally bullshit claim, and nothing stacks up in that claim.

One thing is for certain, iGrok is certainly not town as no townie would ever make that claim. If no one is willing to back me on Jackal(or Pyo) then we should bring the hammer down on iGrok.

Either he was lying about knowing the RB thing (cos i really thought his plan was good), or then he just made a bad call. What makes me suspicious is that he himself started the final wagon against Jackal.

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September 22 2011 16:53 GMT

#1368

Radfield why were you so sure iGrok actually is 3rd party just before the lynch and pushed it, but not when he claimed? And arn't you sure anymore? Why?

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September 22 2011 16:54 GMT

#1370

* I meant pushed Jackal lynch. Why didn't you push Palmar instead?

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September 22 2011 16:59 GMT

#1371

Also i still like to hear these players responses, why was Errandor "lying";

TS
chaoser
supersoft

Becouse he clearly wasn't. If you don't agree with me, please explain to me why he was lying.

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September 22 2011 17:04 GMT

#1372

On September 23 2011 01:54 Palmar wrote:
listen to this newbie, he's using at least twice as much brainpower as the rest of you guys.

I also would like you to state more precisely why do you think your scumlist is so scummy. Becouse I can't understand it, i'm noob but not stupid. So i need to trust my own judgement, and when i'm clearly inexperienced, i make bad calls based on more experienced players. And i hate myself for that :D

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September 22 2011 17:11 GMT

#1375

On September 23 2011 02:09 syllogism wrote:
That makes sense actually

What makes sense? Drazerk?

And do you care to answer my question i stated before?

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September 22 2011 17:18 GMT

#1376

On September 23 2011 01:59 raynpelikoneet wrote:
Also i still like to hear these players responses, why was Errandor "lying";

TS
chaoser
supersoft

Becouse he clearly wasn't. If you don't agree with me, please explain to me why he was lying.

And i'd like to add Drazerk to that list.

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September 22 2011 17:19 GMT

#1377

On September 22 2011 03:25 Drazerk wrote:
Right lets kill two birds with one stone shall we?

I am a medic

I protected iGrok and that's how he survived Syllo's cleave.

I got a notification about iGrok getting hit so we can confirm Syllo is a day vigi with some extra powers on top.

Now can we vote for someone more productive?

Why do you think syllo as a day vigi has some "extra powers on top"?

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September 22 2011 17:34 GMT

#1381

On September 23 2011 02:21 Drazerk wrote:

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Because I didn't protect him and he managed to survive a hit.

So either way the whole thing is planned and you all are mafia (as chaoser stated).

Or there is another townmedic (doesn't clear out option 1).

Or you just made a pretty bad call as town medic and syllo is mafia.

Feel free to give some more possibilities.

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September 22 2011 17:43 GMT

#1387

On September 23 2011 02:37 GreYMisT wrote:
EBWOP to clarify, Im saying it is uncharacteristic of mafia to create such an obvious connection for us to follow to a lynch.

I think it's possible. If they buy iGrok the time he needs, they win. It's a brave strat, but definetly doable i guess.

I'm not saying it's sure, but it's worth consideration.

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September 22 2011 17:51 GMT

#1392

PR on a medic? How the fuck that makes sense?

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September 23 2011 00:24 GMT

#1465

Actually, TS, i find u more scum than supersoft.

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September 23 2011 00:29 GMT

#1466

and btw, radfield was obviously maf.

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September 23 2011 00:29 GMT

#1467

if you dont c it, you dont c anything..

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September 23 2011 00:38 GMT

#1470

On September 23 2011 09:35 TranceStorm wrote:

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Ok, I will try to convince you otherwise then.

try me.

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September 23 2011 00:42 GMT

#1472

Yes you are.

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September 23 2011 00:43 GMT

#1473

"''I want to be Jackal and c how it pays off"

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September 23 2011 00:49 GMT

#1474

iGrok who did you "kill"?

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September 23 2011 00:53 GMT

#1475

btw, sry sandroba :/ for my anti-town for you

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September 23 2011 01:00 GMT

#1477

Pyo: What do you think of TS?

Also: Palmar, what do you think of TS?

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September 23 2011 01:04 GMT

#1481

On September 23 2011 10:02 kitaman27 wrote:

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Why would town hit cirandor day one?

Becouse noone fucking understood his claim. And btw that hit was on prplhz.

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September 23 2011 01:05 GMT

#1482

and i'm willing to lynch you if you are "not able to understand thid" even now.

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September 23 2011 01:05 GMT

#1484

*this

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September 23 2011 01:15 GMT

#1487

the point was kitaman didnt "understand" prp hit night 1 was actually prp (he thought it was ciryandor who was hit).

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September 23 2011 01:41 GMT

#1490

btw, jcar, what do you think of Palmar??

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September 23 2011 15:33 GMT

#1557

Also, does anyone feel suspicious about Drazerk still being in the game? Why didn't mafia shoot our medic? Oh.. becouse he's scum.. With iGrok.

If i was chaoser, i would have made my claim even better;

"I shot prp night 1 cause i actually realized either him/cir is frodo, and i think Boromir could do fancy stuff with the ring".

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September 23 2011 15:50 GMT

#1572

On September 24 2011 00:45 GGQ wrote:

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chaoser can only die to a lynch while a vig can dispatch iGrok (assuming we have one left)

But vig cant shoot him cos Drazerk is protecting him.

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September 23 2011 15:52 GMT

#1575

Actually chaosers claim fits my readings of him pretty well too.

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September 23 2011 15:53 GMT

#1578

On September 24 2011 00:51 supersoft wrote:
chaoser is definetely not scum. forget about him as a lynch candidate asap please. i also don't want to hear any more iGrok accuses. we need to kill scum. boromir sucks as a fakeclaim candidate since i think that legolas/gimli/aragorn/gandalf/boromir and the four hobbits are very likely part of the game.

If you don't want to hang iGrok, then who and why?

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September 23 2011 15:55 GMT

#1583

On September 24 2011 00:52 Drazerk wrote:

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You know except for the fact that I was role blocked...

Also we're not lynching chaoser today.

iGrok failed to kill anyone and I doubt scum will have two role blockers so despite yesterday's antics he is actually a good target to go lynch.

Yeah, the problem is only scum (and you if you don't belong to them) know if you actually were RB'd. If iGrok flips scum, i'm 100% sure you will do it too. Hope we see that tonight. ^^

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September 23 2011 16:03 GMT

#1585

On September 24 2011 00:58 Drazerk wrote:

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Was anyone role blocked day 2?

Should be easy enough to prove if so.

Why everyone seems to think mafia can't mislead town by not using all their capable actions?

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September 23 2011 17:44 GMT

#1608

On September 24 2011 02:19 kitaman27 wrote:

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On September 24 2011 01:56 Palmar wrote:
Sometimes it's just so hard to convince people to do the right thing, because for some reason no one ever realizes what the right action is. Given the situation we're in where we allowed scum to wiggle out of a lynch on day 2 because despite the win condition we all have clearly saying we need to clear all evil out of midgard, yet we let a balrog live when the lore clearly states he's pretty damn evil. I can't believe it's even up for discussion going after a vigilante/SK that decided to kill mafia last night without anyone counterclaiming him. There is just no chance in a game with fake-claims that Boromir the SK is more evil than Balrog the neutral peace-loving fire demon guy. But Kita in his almighty knowledge decided that chaoser must be eliminated immediately yet it's fine to allow iGrok to shuffle by another day. I want to remind you that iGrok was supposed by Kita's own terms to actively scumhunt and not just back away from the game, and yet he's done exactly that. Kita doesn't actually give a shit for obvious reasons. Once again I beg you to go back and read everything posted by both Syllogism and Sandroba because they are the best players that are dead in this game. But hey, why should you listen to me, I'm sometimes a dick! Syllogism pointed out how stupidly heist believes claims randomly (lol, pacific ocean), and jcarl doesn't want to trust me because he's way too busy being thick. Cheesekid is scum though, not even him can be this dumb. It's ok though we just need to lynch iGrok and everything suddenly becomes alright again. Note how fast Kita claimed chaoser was an SK, he knows he's not scum etc. Also he earlier in the game said "Chaoser for SK" because he knows mafia hit chaoser, then corrects himself and says that maybe he could be scum. Kita is just crazy scummy right now. But apparently me changing my mind is more scummy, because you know... it's not cool giving things second thoughts, we should always just go with whatever we first think of right? I'm actually just going to leave the thread for a while, maybe town will not suck so hard when I'm back in some hours.

Look, we both agree iGrok can't be allowed to live to engame. If he gets lynched today, then that's fine by me. If there is a chance he is scum, not survivor, it might even be a better choice to kill him first. However, there is no doubt in my mind that chaoser is not town. On day one he took a hit. On day two, he got caught red handed killing someone. On day three, he comes up with an extremely convienent role that explains both the hit and the killing. The fact that you believe there is a town aligned bulletproof compulsive vig just blows my mid. chaoser is probably going to shoot me tonight. The only "conditions" his shots have is that the person has to be a threat to him. He can't be allowed to laugh his merry way to victory as a "Boromir", when it is beyond obvious that he is not.

We already made a very stupid choise yesterday. Now just hang iGrok.
-Pros over chaoser;
1) chaoser could very well shoot another scum in the face. iGrok failed in it last night.
2) We basically confirm Drazerk when iGrok flips.

Ppl really should do what Palmar says and check syllo&sandroba posts.

##Vote iGrok

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September 23 2011 18:01 GMT

#1611

On September 24 2011 02:57 kitaman27 wrote:

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On September 24 2011 02:44 raynpelikoneet wrote:

On September 24 2011 02:19 kitaman27 wrote:

If I swap my vote, will you be willing to lynch chaoser next?

Yes, unless he shoots another scum at night.

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September 23 2011 18:02 GMT

#1612

..and/or something very strange happens next night.

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September 23 2011 19:25 GMT

#1614

On September 24 2011 04:24 heist wrote:

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On September 24 2011 03:01 raynpelikoneet wrote:

On September 24 2011 02:57 kitaman27 wrote:

On September 24 2011 02:44 raynpelikoneet wrote:

On September 24 2011 02:19 kitaman27 wrote:

If I swap my vote, will you be willing to lynch chaoser next?

Yes, unless he shoots another scum at night.

You do realize he has already SHOT AND KILLED MAFIA. What more do you need?

I'd rather kill SK if there are no better candidates.

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September 23 2011 19:43 GMT

#1616

jcarlsoniv would you lynch iGrok over chaoser, or other way around? And why?

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September 23 2011 19:46 GMT

#1618

On September 24 2011 04:41 heist wrote:

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On September 24 2011 04:25 raynpelikoneet wrote:

On September 24 2011 04:24 heist wrote:

On September 24 2011 03:01 raynpelikoneet wrote:

On September 24 2011 02:57 kitaman27 wrote:

On September 24 2011 02:44 raynpelikoneet wrote:

On September 24 2011 02:19 kitaman27 wrote:

If I swap my vote, will you be willing to lynch chaoser next?

Yes, unless he shoots another scum at night.

You do realize he has already SHOT AND KILLED MAFIA. What more do you need?

I'd rather kill SK if there are no better candidates.

That's exactly the mentality that has really dominated decisions on every lynch. Mafia would love to lynch 3rd parties. They will survive yet again another lynch while we learn minimum from a neutral flip. You admit that you think he's most likely neutral 3rd party. Notice how almost none of the justifications of the votes on the neutrals follow your reasoning. Because it's almost always the wrong move to try and lynch a likely 3rd party neutral. So how is it mainly being justified? He has to be lying. He's mafia but EVEN IF he isn't, he'll give us information.

Can we please look to someone on the Jackal lynch?

I think iGrok lynch is going to give us most possible info tonight. That's why I don't like lynching chaoser.

But i'm open for suggestions. Who should we be looking at?

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September 23 2011 19:47 GMT

#1619

heh, you were faster :D

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September 23 2011 22:41 GMT

#1638

heist: What is ON flips town? Then we have to lynch iGrok for the THIRD time lol. And no matter what he flips after that is gonna be you. And if your analysis on ON was just horribly wrong, we had wasted 3 townmembers just to lynch iGrok.

Guess what, then it's no use to even talk about LYLO anymore..

I'm not even considering to switch my vote off iGrok, unless he actually starts doing something (aka tells us who saruman is). He already failed to shoot last night, and now he comes up with this Saruman thing. Also i'm curious why Drazerk isn't dead already.

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September 23 2011 22:47 GMT

#1640

Also I'd like to add i fucking hate myself so much for Jackal lynch day 2. I even said at the beginning of the day:

On September 22 2011 03:32 raynpelikoneet wrote:

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And guess what Radfield does the very next possible moment. And we all sheep him. Why did everyone miss this one of my posts? I even missed it myself lol..

Now the only person who can change my mind is iGrok himself.

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September 23 2011 22:51 GMT

#1641

On September 24 2011 07:46 Drazerk wrote:

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I've explained this to you.

I am controllable until they lose their RBer and on top of this I am a very easy lynch target due to my connection with iGrok it makes no sense for Mafia to kill me yet.

I understand this. I also understand that Radfield was not willing to lynch iGrok and that raises my suspicions. I just want to see iGrok flip, i don't even care if he flips red/yellow/whatever but green, but for me that gives precious info. My precious......info..

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September 23 2011 22:56 GMT

#1643

ON what's your opinion on chaoser and him being lynched maybe tomorrow?

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September 23 2011 23:02 GMT

#1646

On September 24 2011 07:59 Cyber_Cheese wrote:
iGrok never mentioned if he killed or not

At least he didn't kill mafia. Scummy either way.

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September 23 2011 23:03 GMT

#1648

Let's help him out. I claim Saruman. Dou you want to CC iGrok? Or anybody else?

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September 23 2011 23:06 GMT

#1650

No, i just claimed Saruman.

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September 23 2011 23:15 GMT

#1653

Do you really think i was serious?

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September 23 2011 23:16 GMT

#1655

I'm just bored and iGrok is not helping. And if he's not helping i just have to sit and watch this thread like 24h :E

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September 24 2011 10:49 GMT

#1681

On September 24 2011 10:28 OriginalName wrote:
Also look how he claims that he checked the only person to really recieve any attention at all when he posts it.

His check is bullshit, his kill is a mafia kill, there is no reason to suspect somebody who has already probably lied, sure he abides by his so called "claim" but what reason do we have to believe it. In my eyes iGrok is completely scum regardless of team or otherwise and has to go today.

Lying or not its one less KP in the game.

You saying he necessarily wasn't lying? tsk tsk..

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September 24 2011 15:50 GMT

#1697

On September 25 2011 00:24 TranceStorm wrote:
I think iGrok's claim that he found a Maia in OriginalName is incredibly convenient. In my opinion, he simply looked around for whom he thought was most likely scum (and with the analysis that other players provided) announced his target as a part of the effort to get the vote off of him.

Think about it, if you had found a Maia through your investigations, you would come out and say "I found out that x was Maia" at the beginning of the day. Instead what iGrok did was say "I won't tell you who it is" - but then he later switches to "yeah, it was ON" when a few other players were attacking OriginalName at the time.

Finally, I find it strange that iGrok 'chose to investigate' OriginalName when his FOS in the previous day was Palmar. Would you not want to confirm your suspicions?

This is what i find suspicious too. Also iGrok stated in his big post the following:

Here, minimal interaction with DrH is played off as enough to auto-confirm him. This post sets off alarm bells in my head. Palmar contributed 4 posts before DrH died, 2 of which were "Herp I'm not reading the thread" (He was obviously reading the thread). Its his fourth post that interests me: "DrH is giving me really bad vibes." At the time, it looked like just another throwaway post. But post DrH's death, this post looks more like DrH new he was going to be modkilled and Palmar jumped out early to get a townie point.

For the rest of the game, two things are going on. He puts faith in Radfield, and he continues to stress Sandroba town. (yes theres other shit but those're the important parts)

Palmar already feels scummy. So lets continue on that assumption, and introduce possibilities.
1)Radfield and Sandroba are both town. If this is true, then Palmar is trying to gain town cred when they flip. With sandroba acting scummy and a possible lynch, and Radfield a good mafia target, thats two points for him. Fits with calling DrH scum.
2)Radfield is town, Sandroba is scum. This is using Radfield's town cred to make Sandroba look better. Even those who don't trust Palmar will subliminally put them on closer levels. If sandroba didn't look so damn scummy, it might work.
3)Radfield is scum, Sandroba is town. I just... don't see this as possible.
4)Both are scum. I don't know what this would mean actually

Why didn't you check Palmar n2? Who did you check n1?

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September 24 2011 17:27 GMT

#1698

On September 25 2011 00:27 OriginalName wrote:
You guys can lose game idgaf.

Go listen to wishy washy pyo and bad logic heist all you want see if I really give a shit anymore.

At least if you actually are town, you could provide us something more than just insulting these ppl who give analysis and push your lynch.

Who do you think is mafia then (other than iGrok) and why?

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September 24 2011 17:55 GMT

#1700

Also iGrok; Why didn't you shoot anyone last night, lets make it clearer. Why didn't you kill Palmar, when you were so sure about him being scum. Why did you check ON instead?

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September 24 2011 18:14 GMT

#1704

On September 25 2011 02:58 Cyber_Cheese wrote:
I don't think killing iGrok is the optimal source of information when if we kill someone likely to be scum we can draw links between that person and others. We let him off yesterday, I don't really get why it's suddenly a huge mistake to have done that.

Go back and look at the claims of chaoser and igrok, if we must kill a neutral party, chaoser is the optimal choice.

However, keeping the third party for now might be better because any serial killers within it have a reasonable chance of hitting more of the remaining mafia.

Ideally, I would lynch Palmar today for being entirely useless and acting very scummy. I don't see that happening, so I'm going to
##Unvote

I'm going to vote ON because he was one of the people that followed both of Radfield's vote swings, among other previously listed reasons that convinced me.
##Vote OriginalName

Why do you prefer chaoser lynch over iGrok, given the facts;

1) chaoser shot scum
2) iGrok didn't shoot anyone, instead he comes up with a Saruman over OriginalName.

iGrok was wierdly enough checking ON night 2, when he was pretty sure Palmar is scum (at least he stated so). Why did he check ON over Palmar? The only reason i can think of is that he checked Palmar night 1. Is that so iGrok?

Also he comes with this "ON being Saruman" thing just after heist and Pyo have accused ON. Don't you find it suspicious?

raynpelikoneet

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September 24 2011 18:33 GMT

#1709

On September 25 2011 03:26 Cyber_Cheese wrote:

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Bottom line first, of course it's suspicious, that doesn't make it impossible. That claim wasn't one of the things that convinced me, because it likely was convenient lie. I wouldn't even put it past him to have found the real Saruman and lied about who rather than be forced out of that information so far from the lynch.

Chaoser attacked the person who was leading the town best, The fact Radfield flipped scum doesn't necessarily excuse that. I'm not sure about iGrok's reasoning, but learning he could be blocked changed things.
The rest of the difference between the two of them in my eyes is related to their claims. Chaoser used a claim that sounded relatively safe, but had many mistakes like Boromir as a neutral party when he was party of the fellowship and a 'win with town' victory condition. iGrok's is nothing near safe and is relatively more believable.

Actually Radfield was leading the town worst possible, pushing 2 townie lynches (Errandor and Jackal) at the last minute of dayphase.

Are you scumbuddies with iGrok?

raynpelikoneet

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September 24 2011 18:33 GMT

#1711

SCUNMSLIP!

raynpelikoneet

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September 24 2011 18:34 GMT

#1712

..with an extra N!

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September 24 2011 18:50 GMT

#1716

On September 25 2011 03:38 OriginalName wrote:
Also do note that iGrok has completely dropped off the face of the earth.

again.

Don't worry, hes gonna come and give you some more shit until day ends. Sure of it.

raynpelikoneet

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September 24 2011 21:57 GMT

#1733

I want some popcorn too. And igrok, get your ass here plz.

raynpelikoneet

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September 24 2011 22:02 GMT

#1735

On September 25 2011 06:57 prplhz wrote:
well i don't think there's really too much more i have to add today.

##Vote: iGrok

Don't be so hasty. Let's see if iGrok has something to add.

raynpelikoneet

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September 24 2011 22:34 GMT

#1740

Seems like iGrok basically gave up..

raynpelikoneet

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September 24 2011 23:02 GMT

#1748

fuck, why did i listen to Radfield last day.. :/

raynpelikoneet

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September 24 2011 23:03 GMT

#1754

yeah, Drazerk, i hope you don't claim RB next day, and protect some decent target.

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September 24 2011 23:05 GMT

#1757

Also, that basically means ON is town, i doubt mafia would take a risk to frame some other mafia member to protect iGrok.

And that meas heist is mafia.

raynpelikoneet

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September 24 2011 23:06 GMT

#1759

*means

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September 24 2011 23:14 GMT

#1766

On September 25 2011 08:12 OriginalName wrote:
I personally think Pyo is scum over Heist but thats just me.

Why do you think so? Just curious becouse i can't find a reason to believe so.

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September 24 2011 23:24 GMT

#1770

On September 25 2011 08:19 Palmar wrote:
game solved.

pyo, heist and cheesekid are the remaining scum

care to explain why Pyo is scum?

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September 24 2011 23:32 GMT

#1776

On September 25 2011 08:27 OriginalName wrote:

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read some of my posts about him and read his recent posts especially.

Actually i wanted to hear Palmar's point of view.. :D

raynpelikoneet

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September 24 2011 23:38 GMT

#1783

omfg why did you claim it now?

raynpelikoneet

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September 24 2011 23:39 GMT

#1784

ofc youre gonna be RB or "RB".

raynpelikoneet

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September 24 2011 23:49 GMT

#1790

Okay Palmar, i clearly see you Cyber_Cheese scummyness now.. lol..

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September 25 2011 10:29 GMT

#1817

Pyo was also only one who argued noisy with Radfield before Jackal lynch. That makes me wonder. That could be a good mafia move although, cos Radfield was no way gonna get lynched day 2.

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September 25 2011 11:21 GMT

#1819

Palmar care to explain why Pyo is 100% scum? Becouse all the people who he seriously talked about this game in negative way have flipped red (besides ON). Only thing i find scummy about Pyo is this:

On September 25 2011 09:23 Pyo wrote:
I don't care that iGrok flipped scum... ON is still scum. As far as I'm concerned, iGrok named him as a way "confirm" another scum as town since his lynch was a fargone conclusion.

I just want you to actually explain something, all you are doing is leaving us questionmarks now besides this comment:

And honestly, I do believe you could very well be dead after this night, and if you leave us nothing but - as I said - questionmarks, I don't know what to think of.

Actually by filterin yours and Pyo's posts i could very well get the impression that you look more scummy than Pyo does.

raynpelikoneet

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September 25 2011 12:03 GMT

#1821

You forgot to mention GGQ

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September 25 2011 14:00 GMT

#1824

You mean posts like this makes you confirmed town?

On September 19 2011 05:19 Palmar wrote:
Radfield is a cool guy and Errandor has done nothing that looks like town posting.

WBG is almost definitely not scum, just put yourselves in his shoes, why the shit would he post the things he's done if he was scum, he's basically piling on attention and scummyness by wanting to look for his precious, outright demanding it.

I'll be voting for Errandor.

On September 20 2011 19:02 Palmar wrote:
This shit sucks, I thought I made enough posts, my bad guys.

And DrH dying sucks, because it means I can't just tunnel him today, I actually need to find another scum today.

prplhz should probably give the ring away to his strongest townread. I'd go with one of Radfield, Sandroba, myself and pyo.

Guess what, Radfield was scum, and now you think Pyo is 100% scum.

On September 22 2011 18:27 Palmar wrote:
If you're a townie and were on Jackal's wagon you need to take a long hard look at your play and realize you're a liability to the team.

Please don't do stupid stuff no more.

You should've been there before the lynch and tell that to ppl.

Nearly all your other post are just saying "X is scum", "Y is scum" besides the post where you responded to kitaman about iGrok vs chaoser lynch. So I really don't see you as confirmed town.

raynpelikoneet

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September 25 2011 14:01 GMT

#1825

Also, actually I find it funny that you have called nearly every player scum at some point of the game than me. :D

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September 25 2011 14:13 GMT

#1826

chaoser when is the deadline to leave your night actions?

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September 25 2011 15:28 GMT

#1828

chaoser & drazerk:

Pick your targets carefully tonight. Especially chaoser, don't tell your target to anyone, and make up your own mind, cos your judgement is far better than mine at least.

raynpelikoneet

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September 25 2011 15:52 GMT

#1830

On September 26 2011 00:43 Drazerk wrote:

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Don't worry should I make it to tomorrow ill have found that annoying role blocker and we'll be able to lynch him.

You mean you know him now, or tomorrow, if you are alive?

raynpelikoneet

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September 25 2011 15:58 GMT

#1832

Drazerk, since chaoser is apparently not here, when do you need to leave your night actions?

raynpelikoneet

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September 25 2011 16:08 GMT

#1834

Yeah, I was just asking becouse i wasn't sure, and i want to be here at least some time before that to give my opinions if something changes radically. For now, i'm off ->

raynpelikoneet

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September 25 2011 23:05 GMT

#1850

don't

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September 25 2011 23:06 GMT

#1851

where is the daypost?

raynpelikoneet

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September 25 2011 23:08 GMT

#1855

Drazerk; were u RB?

raynpelikoneet

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September 25 2011 23:09 GMT

#1857

nvm, this clears it,

raynpelikoneet

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September 25 2011 23:09 GMT

#1859

Why was he double stacked?

raynpelikoneet

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September 25 2011 23:10 GMT

#1861

again.....

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September 25 2011 23:12 GMT

#1863

Ofc he did, cos otherwise he is lying,

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September 25 2011 23:15 GMT

#1870

On September 26 2011 08:13 Palmar wrote:
don't what?

btw, I think neither of heist and pyo are scum.

I think we should be looking at kita.

Who else? Why shouldn't we hang you?

raynpelikoneet

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September 25 2011 23:20 GMT

#1876

chaoser, who did you shoot??

raynpelikoneet

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September 25 2011 23:22 GMT

#1878

if you shot no other than yourself, it was a terrible shot, thinking of targets:

1 )SS
2) Drazerk
3) prplhz
4) you

raynpelikoneet

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September 25 2011 23:23 GMT

#1882

im sorry u were RB.

raynpelikoneet

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September 25 2011 23:24 GMT

#1884

so Palmar, who would you like to hang? Of these?

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September 25 2011 23:26 GMT

#1885

Palmar, why ON? Do you think iGrok lied to bus hes teammate?

raynpelikoneet

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September 25 2011 23:27 GMT

#1887

And why kita? He's basically "confirmed town" right?

raynpelikoneet

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September 25 2011 23:38 GMT

#1902

So who is up for a Palmar lynch?

raynpelikoneet

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September 25 2011 23:39 GMT

#1903

##Vote Palmar

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September 25 2011 23:43 GMT

#1906

On September 26 2011 08:42 Pyo wrote:
ON is scum...

##vote: OriginalName

Why? At least now you need to give something other than "X is scum".

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September 25 2011 23:44 GMT

#1908

omfg, sry Pyo, that looked so like Palmar, i thought he was posting it.

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September 25 2011 23:52 GMT

#1911

On September 26 2011 08:48 Pyo wrote:

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I've already given plenty of reasons in my previous posts, nothing has changed since my belief that he was scum was independent of iGrok saying he was Sauruman. In fact, the fact that iGrok would finger him after his lynch was a done deal feels like an effort to establish town cred for ON.

Yes, thats true. I actually was pointing that out to Palmar, cos hes scummy as hell. Sorry. What do you think of lynching Palmar instead?

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September 25 2011 23:56 GMT

#1912

Btw. Drazerk, you were not RB, so who did you protect?

raynpelikoneet

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September 26 2011 00:08 GMT

#1918

So that means mafia has 1 KP, and there is a SK, other than chaoser? Am I right?

raynpelikoneet

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September 26 2011 00:09 GMT

#1919

sry 2 KP.

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September 26 2011 00:19 GMT

#1923

On September 26 2011 09:10 Drazerk wrote:

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I also took a hit

Your looking at -

2 scum KP
1/2 ring seeking third parties
possibly a retarded vigilante

So you mean there is 4 KP still?

I say...

SCUM!

raynpelikoneet

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September 26 2011 00:20 GMT

#1924

On September 26 2011 09:15 Drazerk wrote:
Curu just confirmed that prplhz took more than one hit last night.

Why would he confirm that? Can we also ask who hit him? Lolz

raynpelikoneet

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September 26 2011 00:21 GMT

#1925

##Unvote

##Vote Drazerk

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September 26 2011 00:32 GMT

#1932

On September 26 2011 09:24 Drazerk wrote:

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Because I was protected more than one target last night and he didn't specify which one took the hit and chaoser is being purposely cryptic.

In any normal set up the medic knows their target and if they took a hit or not this is no different.

Cute vote by the way.

You just stated that "Curu told you prp took more than 1 hit last night". In any normal setup I would guess "you protected the hit" or smth like that was the right answer. Why would you say "Curu just confirmed...blabla" if you had protected him, and he was still dead.

That's what you did last morning yes/no?

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September 26 2011 00:36 GMT

#1933

What I meant to say, why didn't you say, "I was healing prp, but he still died, that must be a double stack"?

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September 26 2011 00:40 GMT

#1934

You are so sum, and heist is with you.

raynpelikoneet

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September 26 2011 00:40 GMT

#1935

scum*

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September 26 2011 00:44 GMT

#1937

On September 26 2011 09:22 chaoser wrote:

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The strangle shows up day 2.

sandroba as Legolas, Prince of Mirkwood, Town Vigilante was strangled!

The chest stab was on day 1.

Mr. Wiggles as Peregrin Took, Hobbit of the Fellowship, Town Messenger was stabbed through the chest night 1!

Drazerk got hit, prplhz got hit (maybe twice, maybe unblockable), and supersoft got shot.

So it's either 3 KP or 4 KP. I doubt mafia still has 3 KP since they lost three members.

Yeah and one of them is roleblocker/medic as Drazerk stated.

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September 26 2011 00:46 GMT

#1938

On September 26 2011 09:44 chaoser wrote:

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Because there are unblockable KPs in play in this game...I would have asked the same question. You need to chill out and stop spamming the thread with one line posts

Can't you understand what he just stated? That a MOD told him his healed target didn't survive becouse of double stack.

Does this make any sense to you?

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September 26 2011 00:49 GMT

#1939

On September 26 2011 09:46 raynpelikoneet wrote:

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Can't you understand what he just stated? That a MOD told him his healed target didn't survive becouse of double stack.

Does this make any sense to you?

I really can't tell if this is true or not, cos this is the first mafia game I play @ TL, but srsly, do MOD's here give breadcrumbs like that?

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September 26 2011 10:16 GMT

#1952

Sorry for being a retard, i complitely misread some things. However, could someone PLEASE clarify this:

Let's say I'm a medic and I'm protecting a target X. Anyways, target X dies at night. Can I really ask a MODERATOR if the hit was unblockable or double stack?

If the answer is yes, I think it's really stupid. Mod's shouldn't be giving this kinda info to players just by asking, this should be somthing players figure out themself.

If the answer is no, I want to know why Drazerk is lying.

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September 26 2011 11:01 GMT

#1953

Also i think i know what chaoser's certain requirements are.

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September 26 2011 11:10 GMT

#1955

Palmar, can you really asd a mod if a kill was unblockable or double hit?

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September 26 2011 11:15 GMT

#1957

So why is Drazerk lying? And why is Kitaman on chaoser?

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September 26 2011 11:17 GMT

#1959

sure i could, but why?

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September 26 2011 11:29 GMT

#1961

I think it was already asked and answered, that medic and his target get notified if the target was hit.

What I'm curious about the way Drazerk said it: "Curu just confirmed that prp was hit twice". Why wouldn't he say "I blocked a hit on prp, though he still died, that must've been a double hit".

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September 26 2011 11:32 GMT

#1962

And the kill message "was strangled" is nearly 100% Gollums. That would make sense. Or could you think of "was put to sword" for Gollum.

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September 26 2011 11:45 GMT

#1963

On September 26 2011 08:29 Curu wrote:
A message has been delivered to all within the realm!

The message reads:

There is a third party scum team who have yet to lose a member.

Also, this. If these messages really are from mafia as i believe, they want us to think there is a 3rd party TEAM, which i don't see probable. Yes, there definetly is Gollum out there who strangles people and might even have the ring now that frodo is dead.

Mafias reasoning for this message could be to distract us. If anyone hits a 3rd party, town would still think there is another out there. So be curious about this one.

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September 26 2011 13:23 GMT

#1968

Now listen to this guy above.

raynpelikoneet

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September 26 2011 13:24 GMT

#1969

I meant Pyo.... :D

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September 26 2011 14:07 GMT

#1971

On September 26 2011 22:20 kitaman27 wrote:

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You've got to be kidding me.

Me: Yo chaoser, you killed a dude last night.
chaoser: Yep
Palmar: lol lynch kita, he's lying

How does this make sense at all? Do you think I just magically guessed it? The only other possible explanation would be that I was somehow in contact with chaoser and knew that he was shooting, which is most certainly not true.

Town needs to wake up because we are far closer to LyLo than it may seem. With the four kp last night, the lynch, and chaoser's SK kp there is the chance of up six deaths per cycle. To win, town needs to kill the 2-3 remaining scum, chaoser the Serial Killer, and possibly a third party Gollum. That's 4-5 more correct lynches/shots that we still need to go through in order to reach the town win condition. With only 9-10 town currently remaining, we can't afford to mislynch.

Now, what do we know about chaoser? He claimed Boromir. He shot mafia. He was RB last night (or lying). That makes his certainly not mafia right?

Then Palmar claimed Faramir. So here are following scenarios:
chaoser SK / Palmar town given the claims they made i don't think this would be possible
chaoser SK / Palmar mafia why would mafia protect SK?
chaoser SK / Palmar SK (working together) could be, altough i still believe boromir&faramir are both in the game, and not as safeclaims
chaoser town / Palmar mafia no need to Palmar fakeclaim and defend chaoser
chaoser town / Palmar town most likely answer
chaoser town / Palmar SK could be, altough i don't see a reason for Palmar to fakeclaim, again

If chaoser was in fact mafia, they would need to have an extremely brave strategy in bussing/killing nearly all their teammates, and it would all fall apart just if ppl didn't believe chaoser in a first place.

Also, kitaman you could be some kinda mafia stalker role.

Also, i think you are wise enough to figure out chaosers requirements for killing. If I'm right about it, it fits into his claim fairly well.

BTW. Who did you check last night and what's the result?

raynpelikoneet

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September 26 2011 14:22 GMT

#1972

And Pyo's analysis was pretty good. Also, what most people seem to miss is ON:s comment on him being Saruman. He said:

iGrok wasn't necessarily lying?

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September 26 2011 14:37 GMT

#1974

Actually we have 2 medics, if Drazerk is not a mafia medic.

raynpelikoneet

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September 26 2011 14:40 GMT

#1975

I find your argument about balance reasonable. However i don't see why there would be Boromir & Faramir - one as real role, and one as fakeclaim. That would be so confusing. It only makes sense to me if they are both real or fakeclaims.

So what do you think about Palmar backing up chaoser then?

raynpelikoneet

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September 26 2011 14:46 GMT

#1979

Also he didn't claim comp vig, given the "certain requirements".

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September 26 2011 14:52 GMT

#1986

I'd vote GGQ for gollum, just becouse of his "i'm not saying anything useful this game besides i want to lynch iGrok".

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September 26 2011 23:07 GMT

#2030

And i actually want to hear Drazerk's response. Why is everyone still saying Errandor was lying. I have told you 100 times he didn't lie, Drazerk DID however lie. And he's done it multiple times.

Also with all these (town) powerroles able to kill @ night/day, it would imo seem reasonable, if mafia had a medic too (drazerk fits prettuy well into that). Given that if he (as he said) was actually hit last night, there is another medic too.

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September 26 2011 23:13 GMT

#2031

On September 27 2011 05:47 Pyo wrote:
Palmar, raynpelikoneet, you both said you agreed with my analysis on ON, yet your votes don't seem to agree with it. What's up with that? You guys just want to say that agreed with it in case he's vigi'd, but don't want to lend weight to the lynch?

And specially for this question. I think ON might very well be scum, but i'm even more sure about Drazerk, at least as long as he doens't care to explain.

raynpelikoneet

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September 27 2011 14:51 GMT

#2077

Okay people, now i will explain to you why Drazerk is SCUM. These are his actions throughout the game in a nutshell:

Day 1.

On September 19 2011 07:52 Drazerk wrote:

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That was my whole reason for voting for him originally and the reason Ill probably vote for him tomorrow.

WBG won't be lynched today but hopefully he will be shot tonight or lynched tomorrow.

He accepts DrH's reasoning to vote WBG, which is a pretty shitty reasoning.

On September 20 2011 08:17 Drazerk wrote:
Told you WBG was lying about his golum claim >.<

Wasn't it obvious?

Night 1.

- He protects iGrok, given that if hes a town medic, he wouldn't know he was mafia, but I can't see from townmedic perspective, how iGrok was the best target to protect.

Day 2.

- iGrok claims BALROG.
- After the claim Drazerk starts leaving clues about him being a medic.
- Drazerk claims hes a medic and that he protected iGrok, when syllo hit him. Why in the hell should you claim you're a medic when a confirmed 3rd party/scum claims?
- Drazerg defends iGrok, then votes for Jackal just to "consolidate votes" (i know, also many other ppl did that).

On September 22 2011 03:53 Drazerk wrote:
##vote: Palmar

Best choice right now in my opinion.

Busses his team mate but doesn't keep with it.

One of the first votes on the errandor bandwagon.

Largely useless day 1.

- Bussed his teammate, or he was trying to lead a lynch on scum! Also he kept with it.
- How is "one of the first votes on anyone" more scummy than the people who follow?

Night 2.
- Drazerk fails to protect anyone

Day 3.
- Drazerk claims RB.
- Drazerk claims he protects prplhz next night

Day 4.
- Drazerk claims he protected prplhz and chaoser
- If Drazerk is town, why in the hell would mafia go for a kill towards prplhz?? and not RB Drazerk. (Gollum i can understand, becouse i could think of his kill being unblockable by anyone but Sam, who is dead)
- Drazerk's other target was chaoser. Why the hell would you protect a 3rd party?? chaoser also claimed that he's bulletproof. If you think he's town, why the hell would you protect a fucking bulletproof guy?

Conclusion. Drazerk really protected iGrok over night 1. Drazerk lied about finding out roleblocker (what ability is this on a medic ffs??). Amazingly, he's RB the night he should find the roleblocker. Lying.. Then he protects the guy who still died (and most likely was double hitted), and a bulletproof guy.

Either scum or useless. I'm leaning heavily towards scum. If you can find more proof against anyone, i'd be glad to hear.

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September 27 2011 14:58 GMT

#2080

On September 27 2011 23:56 Palmar wrote:
raynpeli, just lynch kita today with us, we can murder drazerk tomorrow.

I'm 100% he's scum

I'm heavily leaning towards scum on kita too, so i don't really care which one is on the line today. Let's see what they have to say about these accusations.

raynpelikoneet

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September 27 2011 15:10 GMT

#2084

So Kitaman, who do you think should be up for a lynch (if chaoser somehow wasnt here at all)?

raynpelikoneet

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September 27 2011 15:11 GMT

#2086

And don't worry, i won't let anyone lead me to think who should or shouldn't be lynched. I've learned my lesson in day 2 already.

raynpelikoneet

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September 27 2011 15:23 GMT

#2089

I'm not buying it at least yet nor have i left out the possibility that you might very well be scum.

raynpelikoneet

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September 27 2011 15:32 GMT

#2091

On September 20 2011 10:30 kitaman27 wrote:

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I'll post my thoughts in a bit, but are you claiming the hit that caused his bodyguard to die or are you just saying sorry for pushing his lynch?

Also if you are as good as other ppl say, you should heve gotten something out of this. I think you could pretty well have guessed chaosers align, or you might be as well mafia stalker as I said before.

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September 27 2011 15:52 GMT

#2095

Yep, pretty much all people have disappeared. My vote is still on Drazerk, and i won't change it unless he's going to defend himself someway. And i hope that all the remaining players think of these cases as well, regardless of what you think of these two.

Chaoser is a safe lynch yes, but i'd be rather lynching scum than 3rd party.

raynpelikoneet

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September 27 2011 15:54 GMT

#2097

On September 28 2011 00:52 Drazerk wrote:
Rayn -

I protected chaoser because I think he's lying about being bulletproof - I even said that the day he claimed. I already explained that I lied about finding the role blocker so Mafia would kill me last night. I didn't know I would survive today and to be honest it would of been better had they killed me. I did my job last night and ill be role blocked tonight so you idiots can lynch me tomorrow.

How do you explain the mafia hit on prplhz when you clearly stated you are protecting him last night? And the fact that you know it was a double hit? These both together makes you look so scummy i can't even explain.

raynpelikoneet

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September 27 2011 16:05 GMT

#2101

On September 28 2011 00:58 Drazerk wrote:

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medics are clearly told that they protected their target from a hit the previous night. If it was unblockable I wouldn't of gotten that message. It is as simple as that.

also I don't think mafia are stupid enough to hit SS and I can probably guess that they hit me unless a vigilante wants to own up to it.

I didn't ask how did you find out that prp was double hit, i want know how are you able to explain it, unless you didn't actually protect him. Would you as mafia hit a guy who is basically claimed bulletproof next night, just becouse you hope it's gonna be a double stack?

raynpelikoneet

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September 27 2011 16:08 GMT

#2103

And becouse you claimed you 100% know it was a double hit, we actually know it was a double hit (or you are lying about protecting him). Anyways it doesn't make sense.

raynpelikoneet

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September 27 2011 16:09 GMT

#2104

[QUOTE]On September 28 2011 01:06 chaoser wrote:
[quote]And the fact that you know it was a double hit?[/quote]

[quote]I didn't ask how did you find out that prp was double hit[/quote]

Clearly you DID ask it...[/QUOTE]

Actually that wasn't supposed to be a question marks there. :D

raynpelikoneet

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September 27 2011 16:19 GMT

#2106

Okay, I try to be as clear as possible.

Facts:
1) You stated youre gonna protect prp at night (by bulletproof i meant that he was able to survive 1 hit becouse you told us so).
2) prp was still killed
3) it was a double hit (you stated it as a first one)

Then:
Why would mafia hit a guy who they know you are gonna protect and not RB you? I could think gollum would still hit him becouse of the reasons i've stated before (and "was strangled" is nearly 100% gollum kill).

Are you saying mafia gambled if gollum is gonna hit prp too? Or are you saying mafia double hitted prp? Or are you lying?

raynpelikoneet

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September 27 2011 16:24 GMT

#2107

For all of you: Why would mafia hit prp and not RB Drazerk, when it's clear Drazerk is gonna protect him? Quite a gamble i say... or Drazerk is scum!

raynpelikoneet

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September 27 2011 16:26 GMT

#2108

On September 26 2011 09:23 heist wrote:
Seriously rayn? Get your vote off him and do some actual searching.

Do you still agree with your statement heist?

raynpelikoneet

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September 27 2011 16:32 GMT

#2113

On September 28 2011 01:28 GreYMisT wrote:
Chaoser hit Prp, the flavor is the same for radfield's death.

I meant the night prp died.

raynpelikoneet

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September 27 2011 16:35 GMT

#2114

On September 28 2011 01:28 Palmar wrote:
it makes no sense for mafia to claim what drazerk has claimed. If he was actually mafia he could've just said he protected me (I got iGrok lyncheD), chaoser (could be a vigi, although he's an SK), or Kita (claimed tracker).

Drazerkery is not scum, he's bad, but not scum.

Mafia claiming has been senseless througout the game already.

How would you explain the fact that Drazerk protected prplhz, was not RB, and still there was a mafia hit on prp?

raynpelikoneet

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September 27 2011 16:39 GMT

#2117

On September 28 2011 01:37 Palmar wrote:

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When I say shit, you listen.

Drazerk is clear, Kita is scum.

That's what i call a conversation.

raynpelikoneet

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September 27 2011 16:41 GMT

#2118

On September 28 2011 01:38 Drazerk wrote:

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I wasn't role blocked because they tried to kill me ( They failed thanks to the second medic ) and they role blocked chaoser who was going to kill one of them last night and possibly reduce them a KP.

To be more clear, why would mafia hit prplhz when they clearly know you are going to protect him, and they clearly know you are not going to be roleblocked?

Could you answer to the actual question please?

raynpelikoneet

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September 27 2011 16:44 GMT

#2122

On September 28 2011 01:43 Drazerk wrote:

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They didn't know I was going to protect him... lol

Of course they did, as you told them before nightkills.

raynpelikoneet

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September 27 2011 16:46 GMT

#2125

On September 28 2011 01:43 chaoser wrote:

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One simple way that might be possible is because they wanted to use their roleblock for me. I was more of a THREAT. They thought I was going to shoot kitaman last night and that would have meant they would be down to 1 KP tonight for sure. So they roleblocked me. Better to protect one of their own than to make sure they 100% kill someone. They then shoot prp and supersoft, knowing that gollum would obviously be going for frodo. They were hoping that they, if there was a protect like drazerk said there would be, would be the later shot when compared to gollum. That way they would get the ring. Obviously gollum was better at timing and got the later shot, getting the ring.

That is imo quite a gamble.

raynpelikoneet

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September 27 2011 16:48 GMT

#2130

On September 28 2011 01:45 Palmar wrote:
Bro!

I'm trying to help you here, drop the Drazerk issue, just kill Kitaman.

Don't hesitate bro, there is a lot of time left for me to make up my mind. Although i may or may not be here when the dayphase ends, so better be answering. Otherwise all the other noobs may fiollow me and youre gonna get lynched.

raynpelikoneet

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September 27 2011 16:49 GMT

#2131

Last 2 sentences were to Drazerk. I fail at formatting.

raynpelikoneet

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September 27 2011 16:49 GMT

#2132

On September 28 2011 01:47 chaoser wrote:

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And not roleblocking me and letting me potentially kill kitaman/one of their member isn't a gamble? Everything in this game is a gamble. Look at all the stuff mafia has done so far. It's all been gambles. iGrok claiming third party off 3 votes is a HUGE gamble.

That one i'd rather call a stupid gamble.

raynpelikoneet

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September 27 2011 16:54 GMT

#2136

On September 28 2011 01:51 chaoser wrote:

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Which one is a stupid gamble? Please post more clearly and not just in one liners. I have a hard time understanding/following your thoughts

Sorry. I think iGrok claiming BALROG was a stupid gamble. And that's why i think mafia realized they need to use more than 1 person to get him at least another day or 2. That's what i'm thinking Radfield, Drazerk and maybe kitaman, or someone else are doing right now.

raynpelikoneet

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September 27 2011 17:14 GMT

#2144

On September 28 2011 02:09 kitaman27 wrote:

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wherebugsgo, he never left his house.

Why did you track him, he was 90% sure to die night 1?

raynpelikoneet

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September 27 2011 17:22 GMT

#2149

Kitaman, who do you think is mafia? You think chaoser is SK, this is for sure, but who is mafia?

raynpelikoneet

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September 27 2011 17:23 GMT

#2151

On September 28 2011 02:18 kitaman27 wrote:

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Why was that? With all the confusion he was causing, a scum hit seemed unlikely. I suppose a vig shot was possible, but you don't just ignore the best choice for an information check, hoping that there is a vig in the game and they decide to shoot him night one. My day three check is still alive, however.

Becouse nearly everyone was sure he was 3rd party, and as you know, mafia likes to kill 3rd parties.

raynpelikoneet

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September 27 2011 17:25 GMT

#2152

On September 28 2011 02:21 jcarlsoniv wrote:

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wut...what would this achieve? We knew prpl was Frodo. So you could claim to protect Frodo, who is a good target for scum, but actually protect someone entirely different, when it was pretty clear scum wants Frodo dead. How does that make any sense at all?

I know the explanation. Drazerk is scum.

raynpelikoneet

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September 27 2011 17:26 GMT

#2155

On September 28 2011 02:21 jcarlsoniv wrote:

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Also i'd like to add mafia still hit prp. Isn't it weird?

raynpelikoneet

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September 27 2011 17:31 GMT

#2159

On September 28 2011 02:26 chaoser wrote:

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Mafia doesn't like to kill 3rd parties...they would rather town dealt with third parties and then they can save their kills for blue roles and strong town players...You should have played in the simple mafia game before playing this closed setup game...

After some thinking, you are right. I also understand WBG is a good player (yes/no?), that's the other reason i could think of him being killed 1st night. And the fact he at first wasn't making any sense, and at the end of the day he was IMO most pro-town @ day 1.

raynpelikoneet

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September 27 2011 17:32 GMT

#2161

On September 28 2011 02:30 Drazerk wrote:

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I guess you could factor in the lie I made about having my role changed and them not being certain considering the previous times my roles have been changed was game braking ( Then again they were a caller game / PTP2 ( I'm not counting minor changes that happen in other games ) )

What do you mean by "your role changing"?

raynpelikoneet

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September 27 2011 17:34 GMT

#2164

On September 28 2011 02:30 kitaman27 wrote:
I like how chaoser was perfectly fine with my tracker claim when I caught him red handed, but now that he needs a lynch to push, he completely flips.

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If I had to choose one person, draz seems the most likely. I just can't understand why a town medic would protect igrok night one. He was being completely useless and there was a 0% chance of him being hit. What kind of medic publicly role claims in the thread revealing their role, in order to attempt to confirm the claim of a third party? In addition, he said he claimed because he was obviously going to be hit at night. I just don't see how this makes sense.

Palmar could very well be a scum gollum. Every game I've ever seen him play as scum, he always takes the pro-town stance and busses his scumbuddies at will. The remaining mafia are likely located in the group of lurkers, GGQ, ON, Archon_Toilet, Cheese, heist. With DrH, Radfield, and iGrok already flipping, there has to be at least a couple newer players. I'm not confidant enough to be willing to push any of them, so close to the lynch though. The last thing we need is another last minute swap like on day one and two.

You are yourself in danger to get lynched. Why won't you push anyone?

raynpelikoneet

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September 27 2011 17:38 GMT

#2170

On September 28 2011 02:35 Drazerk wrote:

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I didn't mention medic related stuff for the rest of the night after this post.

It could also be a lie that syllo gave you double action. Maybe he didn't give it to anyone. Maybe he did give it to you. I dunno.

You also have claimed you had a posting restriction, how does that make sense to a town medic? Btw, what was your posting restriction, now that it's gone?

raynpelikoneet

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September 27 2011 17:41 GMT

#2176

On September 28 2011 02:37 kitaman27 wrote:

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Swapping a lynch from myself to another town doesn't help us one bit. With 4-5 kp at night, we can't afford to mislynch, which is why I'm learning towards going after the sure thing. I already explained earlier that draz would probably be the person I would feel best about going after. He would probably be the only person I would consider at this point, unless something drastic happens over the next few hours.

So you think, let's say me over you as townie lynched is "no point of changing"? You don't think you could do more as a town than me? I highly doubt.

raynpelikoneet

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September 27 2011 17:43 GMT

#2178

On September 28 2011 02:40 Drazerk wrote:

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Can't say don't even bother asking.

Ahh, so it was there, and now it's gone, but you still can't say what it is/was. Have you done anything but been lying this game?

raynpelikoneet

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September 27 2011 17:51 GMT

#2194

On September 28 2011 02:45 Palmar wrote:
btw

@rayn, because it pains me to see you fail so hard after having some decent posts:

Drazerk is basically modconfirmed medic.

http://www.teamliquid.net/forum/viewpost.php?post_id=11544417 <-- read this post and the next 5 after it.

Now stop it, let's kill kita.

Sorry, i misread the other mod post. Yeah, i'm up for lynching kita.

##Unvote

##Vote Kitaman27

raynpelikoneet

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September 27 2011 17:53 GMT

#2198

On September 28 2011 02:50 kitaman27 wrote:

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Draz also claimed a hit, so if he is telling the truth, there must be at least 1 other protective role. With the jailer that already flipped, does it really make sense for town to have 3 medics? I think not.

It's 2 medics, you should know better than that.

raynpelikoneet

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September 28 2011 00:24 GMT

#2507

Why thw fuck did you save kitaman? Seriously...?

raynpelikoneet

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September 28 2011 00:25 GMT

#2508

VIGI SHOOT KITA ASAP! OK?

raynpelikoneet

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September 28 2011 00:29 GMT

#2511

nvm.. brb later.

raynpelikoneet

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September 28 2011 00:36 GMT

#2513

Greymist. Come up with a better case than kita, or drazerk? Can you? or just consolidade your vete between kita/chaoser/drazerk.

raynpelikoneet

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September 28 2011 00:45 GMT

#2514

Oh really, i won't give a shit now. CYA tomorrow..

raynpelikoneet

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September 30 2011 00:30 GMT

#2655

On September 30 2011 08:58 kitaman27 wrote:
raynpelikoneet, I see you have posted in the other game. Could you give your thoughts on today's lynch please?

Sorry, just caught on and read all the comments after daychange. I'm pretty sure one of cyber/TS is scum, if you would ask me, i'd go with cyber rather than TS.

And also i don't think heist is scum anymore, as i thought before.

raynpelikoneet

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September 30 2011 00:34 GMT

#2656

On September 30 2011 09:14 Cyber_Cheese wrote:

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Radfield's agenda was to move votes to Jackal over Palmar, therefore whatever they were thinking, it's a scum agenda. I think the scum saw more potential for Jackal to pick up his game than for Palmar.

I was asleep during your presentation of evidence, I'm only awake now because I stayed back at work. As I've said multiple times, timezones were partially at fault for not last minute bandwagoning.

I'm Meriadoc Brandybuck, Hobbit of the Fellowship.

If noone counteclaims, I should say i'm stupid, and we should kill TS. :o

raynpelikoneet

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September 30 2011 00:39 GMT

#2657

BTW, i assume you have had a possibility to PM with someone, right?

raynpelikoneet

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September 30 2011 00:42 GMT

#2660

I won't now, i really need to sleep, i'll come with a case on him tomorrow, when i'm off work.

raynpelikoneet

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September 30 2011 00:43 GMT

#2661

fair enough?

raynpelikoneet

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September 30 2011 00:44 GMT

#2662

It's gonna be something like 6 PM (+2 GMT).

raynpelikoneet

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September 30 2011 00:49 GMT

#2664

i promise

raynpelikoneet

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September 30 2011 13:42 GMT

#2674

Kitaman, i complitely agree with your analysis on Pyo. Actually, Pyo was one of my strongest townreads (lol), i just never looked him in a light you did in your analyses.

As for Cyber_Cheese and TranceStorm. I doubt they are both mafia becouse they have both been under accusations last night/this day and they have argued pretty much vs each other. They might both be town however. If they are, arguing against each other is IMO stupid too.

Cyber can actually prove himself as town i believe. Cyber_Cheese, i assume you could have PM conversations during a day (based on the point that Pippin had PM abilities, why wouldn't Merry have them)? Can you have a PM conversation with someone during the day?

raynpelikoneet

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September 30 2011 14:24 GMT

#2676

As for TS:

Day 1 he proposes an awful idea about the ring, and drops it only after DrH points out basically same that other players have done before.

On September 19 2011 07:32 TranceStorm wrote:

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Ok, I will explain myself. At the moment that I had voted earlier, you were the best candidate out the three that were presented (WBG, you, and Jackal). I presented my case on why you were the best lynch candidate at the time. I still believe that some of your actions were scummy, particularly your initial vote for Jackal without much justification and your later refusal to back off of him - but now that a much better candidate has been given, clearly I should switch to him.

I could say the same about you sheeping along as well. When you were holding your vote on Jackal, you said that you doubted that you would move it off. Now that a 'better candidate' has been found, you've moved off as well.

prplhz's voteswitch was the most justified one, given that he was in danger to get lynched. Why wouldn't he vote for someone who made a BIG mistake as he knows himself he is town for sure?

Also, i have suspected all the people he said Errandor was lying, which he clearly wasn't. Noone even ever answered me about that. :/

On September 21 2011 05:51 TranceStorm wrote:
@Cyber_Cheese
You really have been tunneling me all game, so I will respond to some of your arguments.

I made a bad plan, I get it. We've already established that. It was an idea I had and I asked for input from other people to improve the plan, instead, everyone decided to say the plan was a bad idea so I dropped it. Why are you focusing only on Dr. H's response to the plan? A dismissive response says absolutely nothing at all. For example, I am making a dismissive statement about your arguments; does that mean we are secretly cooperating with each other? There were many other responses saying that it was bad. That takes up a majority of your large post.

Then you say that I jumped onto different bandwagons until I settled on the easy target of Errandor. Take a minute to think about that. If I were mafia, I would already know that prplhz was a townie and could keep my vote on him and pretend to be afk knowing that a townie would be lynched on day 1. After Errandor got lynched, I could stand around and shout "damn! I wasn't there to stop the lynch! Of course Errandor was innocent" (like many people did say). Moving from prplhz only increased the suspicion on me, something which a mafia would not do (which is why I don't suspect OriginalName either, since he moved in the same way that I did).

That's why mafia would do that, and tie themselves to "stupid townies" too.

On day 2 he sayd iGrok definetly deserves a lynch, but suddenly in the end he switches to Jackal (i agree, many of us did that).

And basically the the thing that TS & CC have been on each other the whole game. I agree CC seems to me more scummy, but as i said i believe he can prove he's town if he really is Merry. Or could Merry be mafia safeclaim given that Pippin was in the game?

raynpelikoneet

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September 30 2011 14:30 GMT

#2678

On September 30 2011 23:17 Pyo wrote:
you kids never learn... you're really gonna go with another last minute vote swap/bandwagon? w/e

##vote: cyber_cheese

So you don't believe Cyber_cheese's claim? Why?

raynpelikoneet

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September 30 2011 16:52 GMT

#2683

... gl town...

raynpelikoneet

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October 01 2011 01:10 GMT

#2748

I'm just saying becAuse. And I'm angry as fuck.

raynpelikoneet

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October 10 2011 23:35 GMT

#3206

On October 10 2011 11:28 Cyber_Cheese wrote:
Well GG
We came so close, It's a shame GGQ didn't make an arguement on trance based off my filter, with the sudden stance change on my last day

Stuff happens

Here's what made Rayn rage
http://www.mediafire.com/?n73walyf4l73f5n
I ran him though a common word count ^_^
I wonder how long it'll be untill he spells 'becouse' wrong again

Well hosted Curu, sorry for raging about the Eowyn/Éowyn thing, though I do think it's a little harsh to need the word perfect

Actually it was something else on top of that but nevermind. Much of a funny game :D I still can't believe I actually was the only guy who was alive who didn't believe Kitaman's claim. I wasn't even online anymore, I was sure he was going to get lynched and then I come back after and see ON was lynched.

raynpelikoneet

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October 11 2011 00:06 GMT

#3208

On October 10 2011 15:30 chaoser wrote:

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The hardest problem I had was trying to get and convince town to actually lynch Kita. aside from that it was pretty easy I guess

I actually thought Kitaman lynch was sure to happen, that's why I wasn't even online at the last moments of the day. Also after the lynch my insta reaction was:

On September 28 2011 09:24 raynpelikoneet wrote:
Why thw fuck did you save kitaman? Seriously...?

Right after that... "confirmed tracker" from like three people, yeah. So I get your point chaoser :D

At the day I blew up, I actually was sure that Kitaman and Cyber_Cheese were mafia. After that I tried to make a very VERY VERY stupid case against TranceStorm, and hoped that someone could see the whole "TranceStorm vs. Cyber_Cheese all game" stuff. I was so sure one of them is mafia and when I actually read both of their filters, I was sure Cyber was the one. Sadly I was dead before the lynch to tell my actual thoughts. :/

If I was alive at the day town lyched Pyo over CC I would've had a lot to say about it. :D

I just couldn't decide between heist/GGQ (and sometime after my death heist was pretty much confirmed).

raynpelikoneet

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October 11 2011 00:10 GMT

#3209

On October 11 2011 08:56 redFF wrote:

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just to let you know im never playing in a game with you.

I understand that.

raynpelikoneet

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October 11 2011 23:00 GMT

#3218

Actually, redFF:

If you find me somehow idiot or smth, don't come up with it on here, PM me ok?

Because I don't like accusations thrown out like you do. Say what you like to say and don't be an asshole. Why the hate? (and don't say because of SNMMVI, you would have said it before)

So?

raynpelikoneet

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October 11 2011 23:03 GMT

#3219

On October 11 2011 22:22 kitaman27 wrote:
Unfortunately, rayn kinda spilled the beans, but I'd imagine a couple people had already figured it out.

Actually, at that point, I had no idea what was going on. But I agree, I should've said anything but "wtf" in thread. :/

raynpelikoneet

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October 11 2011 23:05 GMT

#3220

EDIT: "should've not"

raynpelikoneet

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October 16 2011 01:14 GMT

#3224

You all should give credit to Palmar. Fuck yeah, he won. Gratz man. GG You played awesome. ggwp.

raynpelikoneet

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October 16 2011 01:18 GMT

#3225

On October 12 2011 09:03 redFF wrote:

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yes its for whatever game it was you claimed scum in and asked to be modkilled. It seemed to me that you were done with tlmafia. I like how you replied to me in the thread telling me to pm you. why not just pm me instead of posting in the thread?

AHA GOTCHA

anyways yeah you ruined an ongoing game and that's enough for me to never /in for a game you play.

I did, and that was something i will not never do again. It was fucking stupid. Now can you answer me @ PM?

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