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On September 17 2011 09:19 kitaman27 wrote: The only reason someone should consider passing off the ring is if they strongly suspect they are going to get hit or right before a lynch. In addition to giving it to someone that they think is town, they also need to make sure that person is safe from hits. Once the ring falls into scum hands, its pretty likely that its going to stay there unless there is a vig shot or something. If you do pass off the ring at some point, you can probably claim since there is a strong likelihood that the first person to get it is town like DrH mentioned. I wouldn't be surprised if there were some alternate win conditions attempting to obtain the ring. Also, curu mentioned earlier that he could rebalance the setup with 25/26 rather than 30, so that probably means there is a 4:1 scum ratio. Finally: ##Vote raynpelikoneet wait, what? Did I miss something? Do we know what the ring even does, besides make everyone want it? | ||
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On September 17 2011 14:48 Jackal58 wrote: pfffff I already have 10 acres with electricity. Does anyone else find this whole exchange to be really suspicious? | ||
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On September 17 2011 10:12 OriginalName wrote: I just want to point out how important this is before i read thread. and has now gone ahead and started FoS'ing Navillus: On September 18 2011 11:14 OriginalName wrote: This means jackshit, Curu explcitly stated that all scums have a safeclaim. Does the exact same thing as drazerk does, fairly self explanitory. Its like your trying to start a bandwagon. Why defend him like this, just because he claims it was a joke at the time doesnt it mean it nessicarily does. He basically went "Ok guys gimmie the ring" then once people were like "wtf are you retarded or scum or some shits" then hes like naw JK. I mean really the only time your at all connected to him is this post and desite people being suspicious you have not given your thoughts into at all, all youve done really is talk about the ring and tunnel drazerk for borderline silly reasons. Dont bullshit noobcard me. at this point goes, "Oh he can do it but this person cannot because clearly this person is clearly beneath me and we should totally completely lynch him amirite? Care to explain more into this navillus. FOS Navillus I'm going to keep an open mind about him but it just doesn't make sense for scum to draw attention to themselves by VT claiming so early when it'd be so much easier to say nothing. Also, I disagree with your chastizing Drazerk for going along with a Grey vote without really giving a clear explanation. Reasons were already given, so really I don't see a problem with a random pressure vote – it's only when that vote remains unchanged at the end of the day that one should start becoming suspicious. In fact, I feel as though those guys quick to defend Grey and jump on Draz for that vote are more likely scum establishing town cred (or possibly defending a scum buddy). | ||
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On September 18 2011 15:32 Archon_Toilet wrote: So many people yelling at each other, hard to read what is going on. Many plans and ideas, some good some bad. People who are making plans are probably not mafia, even if bad plans. Sauron would want us to not be planning, yes? All the people talking about ideas are not Mafia we need to look at the others. All the guys talking lots lik bugs, TranceStorm etc are probably fine just giving bad ideas. We should kill GGQ. Happy to hide and let everyone yell at each other. He only talk when the arguing has died down and only make one line posts, just trying to make the 5 posts. He make excuse and sorry about making bad suspicion, promise to come back and say more but never did. Vote igrok when he said there are no good candidates? Then try to direct vote? Add another suspicion on Vain for no reason just muddy the waters. So wishy-washy too. We should push him into mount doom. ##Push GGQ into the fire This post is way more scummy than anything GGQ's said so far... | ||
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I feel like 3rd parties tend to be more harmful to town than scum and at the very least he hasn't been particularly pro-town. Throw on top of that the potential that he's full of shit or that we might learn something about the game set-up/mechanics, I'm perfectly happy to see him flip. ##vote wherebugsgo | ||
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On September 18 2011 16:21 wherebugsgo wrote: Clear lack of reading comprehension/hasn't read the thread. Granted, from what I saw in XLIV his town play is absolutely horrible so I'm not inclined to think he's scum. However, the type of logic he's using is precisely pro-mafia logic. I wouldn't put it past him to be scum, but for now we just need to push more posts out of our friend here Pyo. Specifically, the bolded part is his reason for voting me. In other words, he doesn't think I'm scum. He's voting me because he wants to get information. That's a terrible reason to want to lynch someone. You lynch someone primarily because you think they're scum. You get information NO MATTER WHO YOU LYNCH. way to not read my post and selectively bolded not my reason for voting for you – getting information is only icing on the cake... I'm voting for you because your indirect 3rd party claim is bizarre and distracting at best. Also the fact that you haven't been consistent with your "gimme the ring" nonsense leads me to believe that you're full of shit about actually having a posting restriction. | ||
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On September 19 2011 02:55 wherebugsgo wrote: Scum is voting me. I'll keep this short since I'm on my phone. I asked for the ring relentlessly. People thought that was scummy. Look at the bandwagon on me right now. Then, look at Jackal's votepost on me. He says it's a good idea to give me the ring, because he doubts the game will end if I get it, but wants to lynch me anyway. That's a pro mafia stance. If I get the ring and get lynched, the ring is randomly sent to one of the voters. If the majority of the voters are scum then they get a better chance of getting the ring. Between Dr H, Jackal, Pyo, iGrok, and Drazerk, I'd bet we can find at least 3 scum. (these are the current voters on me) You can also easily make a case against any one of these players. Filter them all if you don't believe me. That makes no sense... in a situation where votes are scattered all over the place, why would scum put 3 onto the same person. Additionally, if scum really wanted you dead, they'd kill you at night – with split votes like we have it should be really easy for them push for the lynch of someone they know to be town. You're also misconstruing what Jackal said – he said we should get rid of you either by lynching you or if that fails by giving you the ring. Paraphrasing what people say to alter their meaning is incredibly scummy. My vote stays on you. | ||
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On September 19 2011 03:19 Cyber_Cheese wrote: I think WBG is currently someone we want to keep around till at least day 2. His latest post seems to be far and away better than all his other posts combined + Show Spoiler [I mean this one] + On September 18 2011 16:21 wherebugsgo wrote: I still don't have the ring! What a surprise. The following post is well-reasoned and should be listened to: As I said earlier and as Kitaman has nailed pretty well, we absolutely need to encourage the lurkers to participate. If they don't participate, or we let them get away with stupid shit (more on this later) then we are just hurting ourselves. We cannot let mafia blend in, and we need to identify when someone is trying to blend in, to identify them as scum. I will give you all two examples of this right now: Firstly, this guy is saying absolutely nothing with this entire post. He says there are so many people yelling at each other, that it's hard to read what's going on. He insinuates that there is a lot of confusion and noise, yet he adds to this by splitting the vote even further and throwing a shitty vote on a person who so far has not done anything scummy (as far as I can tell.) The worst part is that there are no specifics in this post. To clarify: wat so, he says there are "many plans and ideas, some good some bad." Way to go sherlock, either the plan is good or it's bad. You've really told us a lot there. What the fuck is that supposed to contribute? What's specifically good about these "good plans"? Who made them? What about the bad plans? The only thing he alludes to is that he thinks people like me and Trance are probably fine and just giving bad ideas. Well, the only idea I've pushed is giving me the ring. Trance is receiving votes, if Archon is scum then it totally makes sense for him to soft defend him here. And "all the guys" talking like us are fine. Whoa, so if someone makes a plan they're autoconfirmed town? Wtf? God this makes no sense whatsoever. Yeah hey guess what genius, you were lurking until now too, AFTER you were called out on your shitty posting record. I'm pretty sure you're just throwing a random vote out there and feigning analysis so you don't get a shitstorm for not posting and not contributing anything. This isn't even a real vote! Our last example is this: Clear lack of reading comprehension/hasn't read the thread. Granted, from what I saw in XLIV his town play is absolutely horrible so I'm not inclined to think he's scum. However, the type of logic he's using is precisely pro-mafia logic. I wouldn't put it past him to be scum, but for now we just need to push more posts out of our friend here Pyo. Specifically, the bolded part is his reason for voting me. In other words, he doesn't think I'm scum. He's voting me because he wants to get information. That's a terrible reason to want to lynch someone. You lynch someone primarily because you think they're scum. You get information NO MATTER WHO YOU LYNCH. This is an example of exactly what I want to see from him, as compared to all the 'ring lol' trolling and if he can keep it up he's realistically a valuable asset for town. Huh? what? you can seriously consider that to the sort of analysis that you expect from people... How in the world does Archon_toilet's nonsensical tunneling of GGQ "blend in"? He also misconstrues what I said in his "analysis" of me... Basically, his big huge long analysis was a load of crap. Factor in the timing of his post (after he started drawing serious attention and was accused of being spammy), it's clear that he felt pressured to give the appearance of "being helpful to town" when in fact he's just continuing to say nonsensical things. | ||
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On September 18 2011 21:25 Jackal58 wrote: My vote is going on Bugs. Having played a couple of games with him now I know he is aggressive as town. He has not trolled any games to this point. His activity level is the same but his style is different. I don't believe he is mafia but I do believe he is 3rd party with a separate win condition from town. Right now I see two options for him. Lynch him or give him the ring and see what happens. If he and the ring leave the game that is probably not a bad thing. If we lynch him and the ring stays in the game that's probably not quite as optimal but still not a bad thing. Worse case scenario is they are both still here tomorrow. If you have the ring give it to Bugs. I can't believe that will end the game. The ring is inherently evil anyways. Other than Bugs the only person that has struck me as off is Heist. I'm more sure of Bugs not being town than I am of Heist being scum so Bugs is getting my vote. Jackal said "Lynch him OR give him the ring." It's pretty clear what Jackal meant and it wasn't what you claimed it to be. This post: On September 19 2011 03:36 jcarlsoniv wrote: You find trance suspicious for coming up with a ring plan (albeit a pretty bad one), and yet you'll ignore the fact that jackal wants to give WBG the ring and lynch WBG... is an example of why doing what WBG is doing is bad. People aren't reading the post to generate their own impressions, they read "analysis posts" and take the "analysis" at face value. That is how scum manipulate town into believing what they want you to... It's how chaoser got away with that bullshit DT claim in XLIV, for example. | ||
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On September 19 2011 03:42 wherebugsgo wrote: Can you point out what I'm saying that has been nonsensical? How about your fist 5-10 posts in the thread? Or this one where you use a ton of 1-liner responses that don't actually answer half of the things you respond to: http://www.teamliquid.net/forum/viewmessage.php?topic_id=264699¤tpage=17#331 Or this one about why you voted Drazerk: On September 18 2011 05:58 wherebugsgo wrote: And yes, I did say that my vote reason was bad, because that was the way I intended it to appear. I have reasons for voting him, I don't have to state everything and put it out on a silver platter for you. This is the same reason why I'm not going to tell anyone why I want the ring. If you guys decide to give me the ring, fine, if you don't, you're just hurting yourselves. Of course, I might actually have to put everything on a nice silver platter, since most townies are usually extraordinarily thick and incapable of reasoning. That doesn't make sense... we're hurting ourselves by not giving you the ring? Who are you talking to? Town or Mafia? The whole ring garbage has been completely nonsensical and at best irrelevant to town. On September 19 2011 03:42 wherebugsgo wrote: Can you deny that almost everyone who has voted me has completely ignored everything else going on in the game? That's how day 1 works. There's no way everyone is going to follow everything in intimate detail, you pick your couple of people you want to focus on and analyze what they say and who they say it to, you know the whole "FOS" thing. And to be clear at least I haven't ignored everything else going on in the thread. The people I find most suspicious aren't the guys running around like village idiots (archon_toilet/Drazerk), it's the guys calling them guys scum. On September 19 2011 03:42 wherebugsgo wrote: Can you point out what parts of my contribution are feigned? Did you even read my "big huge long analysis" (hint, it wasn't actually that long) Yeah I read it, granted with your multiple formatting fails, it was quite the pain in the ass...When I insinuated that your analysis was feigned, I was simply pointing out that your analysis didn't make sense and felt as if it was analysis for the sake of analysis. | ||
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On September 20 2011 15:12 iGrok wrote: Holy shit. Going to filter DrH right now. what an incredibly scummy thing to say... | ||
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On September 20 2011 17:34 Cyber_Cheese wrote: Filtering a confirmed mafia scummy? It's scummy to say you are going to do it... If you were going to do it, you'd just do it like chaoser did. | ||
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WBG was predictably lying about his claim, although I guess it was too ridiculous for anyone other than Palmar to have been claiming a role/post restriction like that as scum. Speaking of Palmar, I find his lack of participation in the thread to be very curious... I've played 3 games with him, one with him as mafia, one with him as an 3rd party and one with him as town and in all 3 he was in everyone's face about everything... Basically, what I'm trying to say is that he's out of character independent of his alignment, so his odd behavior is kind of a NULL tell. I'm a little suspicious of radfield to be honest his analysis seems too good and too "correct." I'm mostly referring to this post: http://www.teamliquid.net/forum/viewpost.php?post_id=11445752, but others as well. I won't advocate lynching him in case he really is that good (mafia will likely kill him soon if he's actually town), but I'd warn against reading too much into his assertion that people who stuck with their day 1 votes are automatically more scummy than the people that switched... feels like a convenient way for scum to sheep votes onto people. (Note, I'm town and I kept my vote on bugs because I felt like he was lying/being deceptive about his role claim/posting restriction... which he was) And to respond to ON (http://www.teamliquid.net/forum/viewmessage.php?topic_id=264699¤tpage=41#814: bugs most certainly did indirectly claim his role in this post: http://www.teamliquid.net/forum/viewmessage.php?topic_id=264699¤tpage=17#331 On September 18 2011 05:05 wherebugsgo wrote: I think the answer to that one is obvious. This guy is good. Real good. + Show Spoiler + gimme the ring bitch If that's not claiming, I don't know what is. Obviously, at the time I had no idea that Dr. H was scum... not sure what to make of bugs now - if it even matters. | ||
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On September 21 2011 01:05 Radfield wrote: iGrok is a good lynch today. He has been useless, but not in a useless way. In a way that makes it look like he's trying to not be useless. GGQ, Vain, ON, Heist, Pyo: All of you need to ramp it up. Between Jackal, iGrok and Palmar, where would you place your vote? you aren't the boss of me... I don't like the fact that you're telling me that I have to vote for one of those 3. You followed/led the lynch of Erandorr and no one really gave you any shit for it. In fact you tried to spin WBG and errador both flipping town as an indicator of your townness: On September 20 2011 08:58 Radfield wrote: This means we derive very little from the day 1 lynch, as both Prp, WBG and Eradorr were town. With three townie wagons it means scum had everywhere to hide. In my opinion this makes those players staying on the WBG wagon look worst, and anyone switching votes around look more town. Mafia had no reason to flutter their votes, so I doubt they would have done so unneccesarily. I mean the other 2 lynch targets you were trying to distract from were both either killed or attempted to be killed which means scum wanted everyone to see them flip. This seems a little too convenient to me... The analysis of you independent of this fact isn't great either: You started with a day 1 policy post, wherein you say, "Step 3, avoid lynching an easy target," but then proceed to push for the Erandorr lynch... if there was ever an "easier" target than a guy who edits a post then lies about it, I haven't seen it. Then you engage DrH about confirmed townies (link) which just screams contrived nonsensical conversation to me... Confirmed townies are NOT "a voice that every town player can trust to be legit." Townies can be wrong and scum are more than happy to help propagate incorrect statements by trusted town - not to mention what happens when a scum gets on people's confirmed town list. Now you're basically leading the charge against Jackal and iGrok while calling out Drazerk, Palmar and ON as also being likely scum... So either you're some super brilliant player (except that you were totally off with Erandorr) or you're happily sheeping town around. It really doesn't sit well with me. At this point I'm more inclined to vote for you than any of the 3 you suggest (jackal, igrok, palmar). ##vote: radfield | ||
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On September 22 2011 01:30 Jackal58 wrote: Why am I scum again? You're not answering me. Why are you not answering me? because Radfield is scum... see my previous post about him. I really don't get why everyone is so convinced that he's town. | ||
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I guess this means there's a 3rd party SK in the game: On September 23 2011 08:04 Curu wrote: Radfield as Wormtongue, the Deceiver, Mafia Messenger was put to the sword! On September 20 2011 08:13 Curu wrote: Ciryandor as Samwise Gamgee, Town Mason Bodyguard was put to the sword night 1! Both were "put to the sword." | ||
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On September 23 2011 10:00 raynpelikoneet wrote: Pyo: What do you think of TS? Also: Palmar, what do you think of TS? don't know yet... I had my sights set solely on radfield and was totally prepared to tunnel the f*** out of him today... but now he's dead, so I need to go back through the thread and reread everything that I didn't really pay much attention to. | ||
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But is it common for town to get multiple shots like that? Seems a little overpowered... I was only thinking it was a 3rd party SK since it seemed like radfield was "green" to a lot of people so far. | ||
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On September 24 2011 04:44 heist wrote: Oops didn't finish. For now my main suspicion is on ON. I'll provide reasoning later. I think I'd be willing to get on board that lynch... He was on my list suspected scum after he and radfield were the only ones giving me crap and calling me scummy when I started tunneling radfield. ##Vote OriginalName (contingent upon the second half of this post not developing into something) ---------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------- On September 24 2011 05:12 iGrok wrote: Oh and I found a Maia last night lol. Which means I found Saruman. But no way in hell am I telling you guys. You're going to kill me. How about this, we let iGrok tell us who to lynch. We lynch that person and when that person flips red, we let him live another day (no promises beyond that), or if that person flips not red, we vig/lynch him. I think at this point, it's worth risking a one-for-one for the chance at a free scum kill. On a separate note, when you say "you're going to kill me," who are you talking to, iGrok? Town or Scum? | ||
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On September 24 2011 08:06 raynpelikoneet wrote: No, i just claimed Saruman. wait, what? Explain, please. As far as I understand from the LotR lore, Saruman is was evil (well at least was certainly more evil than the dude that radfield flipped as). | ||
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On September 24 2011 06:23 OriginalName wrote: Yeah and Pyo just voted him with little analysis, on top of that I also did that BEFORE he accused Radfield and just because he coincedentally decided to vote for scum he did not attempt to push him at all.One Vote without reasoning means almost jackshit to anyone actually reading the thread. On September 21 2011 03:55 Pyo wrote: you aren't the boss of me... I don't like the fact that you're telling me that I have to vote for one of those 3. You followed/led the lynch of Erandorr and no one really gave you any shit for it. In fact you tried to spin WBG and errador both flipping town as an indicator of your townness: I mean the other 2 lynch targets you were trying to distract from were both either killed or attempted to be killed which means scum wanted everyone to see them flip. This seems a little too convenient to me... The analysis of you independent of this fact isn't great either: You started with a day 1 policy post, wherein you say, "Step 3, avoid lynching an easy target," but then proceed to push for the Erandorr lynch... if there was ever an "easier" target than a guy who edits a post then lies about it, I haven't seen it. Then you engage DrH about confirmed townies (link) which just screams contrived nonsensical conversation to me... Confirmed townies are NOT "a voice that every town player can trust to be legit." Townies can be wrong and scum are more than happy to help propagate incorrect statements by trusted town - not to mention what happens when a scum gets on people's confirmed town list. Now you're basically leading the charge against Jackal and iGrok while calling out Drazerk, Palmar and ON as also being likely scum... So either you're some super brilliant player (except that you were totally off with Erandorr) or you're happily sheeping town around. It really doesn't sit well with me. At this point I'm more inclined to vote for you than any of the 3 you suggest (jackal, igrok, palmar). ##vote: radfield So that doesn't count as analysis? Sigh, I guess I'll try harder... In any case, you accusing me of being scum isn't why I suspected you of being scum, but rather that you and radfield were agreeing with each other. HOWEVER, after re-reading things, I've convinced myself that it doesn't make sense for two scum to both jump on some random person by themselves, not to mention the fact that you – not radfield – were the one to first jump on me. That heist is using this connection to accuse you (and the timing of bringing it up) is actually quite scummy – not totally sure on that read though. ##unvote I want to hear from iGrok who saruman is. Personally, I would rather lynch that person and then kill him if that person doesn't flip red. However, the fact that iGrok still hasn't given us a name makes me think that him "finding saruman" was a bluff to try to get us to back off him or a bluff to try to get a saruman slip so he can kill/confirm them tonight. Either way, I don't think we should lynch him today. If he's really a survivor 3rd party, he really isn't a threat to us. If he's scum giving us the run-around, well he can't possibly be the only scum left, so I'd rather try to figure out who they are. | ||
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On September 24 2011 10:18 iGrok wrote: Heist hit the nail on the head. When picking a target last night, I had to think to myself: who could Saruman be? To me, the only two people who fit the description were ON and Pyo. Not too active, not too inactive, but definitely capable of playing above their current level. I picked ON. I'm also going to need to know who to shoot tonight. There's no way scum lets me live again tonight if I still have a shot. This made me reread things (again), and I'm changing my mind again. As I said before, it doesn't make sense that 2 scum would both jump on the same person when there were already several town lynch targets (+1 town). That was enough to convince me before, but that's really the only reason I could come up with for why he was town, while the reasons why he's scum a numerous... There's this post where he's the only one in the thread who knew who ugluk was: On September 23 2011 08:21 OriginalName wrote: Ugluk is the orc who capped Merry and Pippen during two towers... (+1 scum) Then he suggests that we could be at lylo when we being at lylo with 17 town left and 2 scum dead would be utterly ridiculous: (+1 scum) Then here he says I didn't push for radfield at all: On September 24 2011 06:23 OriginalName wrote: Yeah and Pyo just voted him with little analysis, on top of that I also did that BEFORE he accused Radfield and just because he coincedentally decided to vote for scum he did not attempt to push him at all.One Vote without reasoning means almost jackshit to anyone actually reading the thread. while saying that I was doing "nothing BUT push WBG almost refusing to otherwise consider other candidates": On September 20 2011 11:31 OriginalName wrote: Im going to focus on the people who stayed on bugs until the end of yesterday for my lynch targets today. This is mostly based on most of them managing to lurk harder than me. Which saying alot I personally dont like the vibe i get off of iGrok/DrH. I avoided DrH yesterday because i was increadably unsure of WBG until later on and I decided based on the reasons i have stated to move over to Errandor. Pyo I even forgot was playing until about he a few posts one of which was chastising my FoS on Navillus which i by the way look back on and realize that I was being an idiot. His reasoning behind voting WBG basically went oh DrH said hes third party so im going to agree without posting my own contributions and uses this reasoning: Hes just adovacting a pure info lynch that really doesnt tell us jackshit in either case. Afterwords WBG then calls him out for the same thing I am he responds with this: I dont see any bizarre third party claim, I see hints at it but it obviously wasnt what he had in mind. Sure he was trolling abit but this seems like a really weak line of reasoning, despite how we were starting to realize that he probably was not scum. He also does nothing BUT push WBG almost refusing to otherwise consider other candidates other than call out Archo_Toilet for being scummier than GGQ who he was voting however he basically did one post and another paragraph later and did not pursue it much farther. Along with that he has completely flown under the radar and iirc not many people have called him out. As such I will be. ##Vote Pyo + Show Spoiler + if im on the wrong track again for the love of god speak now. He's clearly had an agenda here, as all I did for WBG was put a vote on him and disappear for the rest of the day, while I actually did give a solid reason for radfield repeated called him scum. (+1 scum) Also in that previous quote: On September 20 2011 11:31 OriginalName wrote: Along with that he has completely flown under the radar and iirc not many people have called him out. As such I will be. ##Vote Pyo + Show Spoiler + if im on the wrong track again for the love of god speak now. Check that spoiler. If that's not being wishy-washy, I don't know what is. (+1 scum) AND FINALLY, On September 24 2011 10:23 OriginalName wrote: Kill this lying bastard. I am Èowyn the Shieldmaiden of Rohan. Completely Vanilla. I'm gonna have to call bullshit on this one. There's no way the chick that killed the big bad-ass Nazgul would be vanilla town. Totally fail claim dude (+10 scum): ##Vote: OriginalName | ||
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On September 24 2011 12:55 OriginalName wrote: Bullshit List +1 Bullshit Claim +100 BASICALLY CLAIMS THAT HE IS BARELY SKIRTING MODILL REQUIREMENT. also apoligetic, town doesnt need to be apoligetic and grok know this. Why would a townie withold a claim in this manner. Seriously, stop tunneling my ass and read and realize that this dude is a class A bullshitter with a PhD in Lying. Except, he failed that last class ya know. Get to your senses Pyo, or are you scum along with him, I honestly wouldnt be surprised if Radfield had the balls to implicate a lurking scumbuddy for town cred if he got pushed to death. Hell look what he did with DrH. The fact that you think iGrok is not the scummiest man alive in this game at the moment is a monumental blunder on your part and may only be solved by stating that your wishy washiness is almost scum motivated. His behavior is consistent with 3rd party (so I suppose you could call it scummy); your behavior is consistent with mafia. His claim is at least believable; your claim seems super hasty... You just quickly copy-pasted your safe claim without thinking it through. I'll repeat, there's no way the chick that shoved a sword through the Nazgul's face is just vanilla town. But I'll tell you what, if you flip green, I'll vote for iGrok tomorrow... if he isn't offed during the night. | ||
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Signup List (Day 3) 1. 2. 3. 4. jcarlsoniv 5. kitaman27 6. GGQ 7. 8. 9. 10. Palmar 11. supersoft 12. 13. 14. 15. GreYMisT 16. raynpelikoneet 17. OriginalName 18. 19. 20. Archon_Toilet 21. prplhz 22. Cyber_Cheese 23. chaoser 24. 25. 26. iGrok 27. heist 28. Drazerk 29. 30. TranceStorm 31. Pyo 17 players currently alive. | ||
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On September 25 2011 05:50 Drazerk wrote: iGrok's claim is far to convenient. Kill him now we can have a real DT ( I hope we have one left ) check ON depending on the flip. because that DT would be anymore believable than iGrok... stop saying stupid things. | ||
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On September 26 2011 08:43 raynpelikoneet wrote: Why? At least now you need to give something other than "X is scum". I've already given plenty of reasons in my previous posts, nothing has changed since my belief that he was scum was independent of iGrok saying he was Sauruman. In fact, the fact that iGrok would finger him after his lynch was a done deal feels like an effort to establish town cred for ON. | ||
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So let's get back on track of finding someone to actually lynch: On September 26 2011 18:59 Archon_Toilet wrote: OriginalName was pretty clearly the mafia's alternative bandwagon to iGrok. I'm pretty comfortable with him being a townie. Meh, this is WIFOM at best. The way I saw it, ON being named by iGrok meant that he likely really is scum, probably even Saruman. At the time he made the claim, out of 17 total votes there were: iGrok - 9 Palmar - 2 OriginalName - 2 If I were mafia, I would totally name Saruman in that situation. If the accusation got ignored and iGrok was lynched anyway, Saruman would gain a shit ton of town cred for being accused by scum, while if the bandwagon really did form, then iGrok's nonsense would have been "confirmed." Either way, scum gain a "confirmed not mafia" status for one of them. Throw on top of there, the fact that scum were trying to bus/cast doubt on iGrok from the get-go: radfield challenging iGrok - http://www.teamliquid.net/forum/viewpost.php?post_id=11428489 and again - http://www.teamliquid.net/forum/viewpost.php?post_id=11446904 and again - http://www.teamliquid.net/forum/viewpost.php?post_id=11457496 This was part of the reason why I was so inclined to believe iGrok in the first place. I mean it was radfield who was the first to really cast doubt on iGrok in the first place. To me this screams that iGrok was meant to flip, so as far as I'm concerned anything that we'd normally interpret from iGrok's lynch is probably the opposite of what we'd normally learn. In this case, it means that OriginalName really is scum. Also for what it's worth, supersoft voted for iGrok and flipped town, and I can assure you that I'm town. Dunno about heist or cheese, but just because we didn't bandwagon on iGrok doesn't mean we're scum. ---------------------------------------------- Now I don't know if I'm gonna be able to convince anyone of OriginalName being scum at this point, so I'll try to make a case for one of the other likely scum: GGQ If we look at DrH, radfield, and even iGrok, one thing that you'll notice is their exceptionally high level of activity and thread presence (in the case of iGrok, I'm referring to how he stood out with regard to his claim rather than his actual thread activity). This strikes me as somewhat odd for a scum team, which leads me to believe that the remaining scum have been and are actively lurking in the thread. The first name that comes to mind in this regard is GGQ. So what has GGQ done this game? 1. said iGrok was scum (but given radfield was also doing the same, it's a null read) 2. then responds when radfield asks iGrok to kill GGQ in the thread (the scum conversations in this game so far are really weird, yall should check them out, lol) 3. calls out chaosers weird claim 4. questions why heist started accusing ON 5. says that everyone who tried to save iGrok yesterday is scum So what's so weird about that? Well aside from it not being a whole lot, there's the fact that aside from iGrok, he's never really taken a stand against anyone else at all in the game. He's barely given any analysis either. That in and of itself should scream that he could be scum, but let's throw on some meta as well... The last time I played a game with GGQ (mafia XL), first of all he was infinitely more helpful to town, and second, he was double hit night 1 by an iGrok(GF)-led scum team. GGQ's town meta was so strong that iGrok made sure he died night 1 - pretty ridiculous eh? Well in this game, despite GGQ's correct identification of iGrok as scum on day 1, he's still alive and kicking. Kind of weird, right? A lot of that is WIFOM and/or meta, which isn't the most reliable, but the fact that there really isn't anything else to go on in terms of deciding whether he's town or not is a pretty significant concern in and of itself. GGQ is really strong player, why isn't he contributing more? TLDNR: I still think ON is scum, but I'm highly suspicious of GGQ as well. | ||
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Palmar, are you claiming Gollum or just pulling a WBG retard-a-palooza? If you are claiming, why are you doing it? You have the ring now so you don't give a fuck anymore? | ||
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You didn't directly claim it, but you definitely pulled some heavy WBG bullshit. | ||
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On September 27 2011 01:40 chaoser wrote: How does this even make sense...He didn't claim third party and why would mafia so such a thing, much less by someone that pretty much led the iGrok lynch and has almost 0 suspicions on him. On September 27 2011 04:59 Archon_Toilet wrote: I voted iGrok 2 nights out of 3. That's better than your record mate. It is the first time iv mentioned heist, so? I think he's mafia. Scum were bussing iGrok from even before day 2 (filter radfield or see my earlier posts). Voting for iGrok should give you absolutely NO town cred. Stop using it as such. On September 27 2011 03:09 Archon_Toilet wrote: Pretty sure heist needs to go. He called out DrH as a terrible lynch on day 1, defended Drazerk to the death then voted for him, called out iGrok as a terrible lynch, was on the original name train. Low activity, atrocious voting, defends scum then disappears. Heist needs to go. Vote for heist. All game long you've been randomly chiming in, each time with a new scum target, and each time giving a really shitty nonsensical reason for thinking that person was scum. Are you a Kurumi smurf? On September 27 2011 04:06 chaoser wrote: So you're saying he's been bussing almost every single one of his teammate since day one? He was literally the first one to call out bullshit on iGrok and he mentions DrH as scummy way before anyone else. That is well within Palmar's meta. Not saying that that means Palmar is scum, just that him bussing his whole team day 1 would be very "Palmar." ---------------------------------------- Drazerk is a really weird case and I'm not sure he's scum (based largely on meta). In every game I've played with him, he's been kind of an idiot (no offense), doing and saying all sorts of silly nonsensical things. And every time, the stupid shit he does has been done with good intentions but has been horribly short-sighted and poorly thought through. Too bad town's not going to let this one fly since they're all a bunch of sheep. Do you all realize that Scum have decided all 3 lynches so far, including iGrok? Remember Erandorr? He was an idiot that lied about editing his post – before you get all your pitch-forks out, use your heads for a second. | ||
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On September 27 2011 14:37 TranceStorm wrote: He did claim that his role was "Madril, Ranger of Ithilien". But the supersoft dying instead of him is very fishy. Not even getting a roleblock seems to be very suspicious for a player who is the only player who has revealed that he has the ability to identify (somewhat) who the mafia are. If kita is scum, then so is chaoser – only way I can rationalize both claims. | ||
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On September 28 2011 01:28 Palmar wrote: it makes no sense for mafia to claim what drazerk has claimed. If he was actually mafia he could've just said he protected me (I got iGrok lyncheD), chaoser (could be a vigi, although he's an SK), or Kita (claimed tracker). Drazerkery is not scum, he's bad, but not scum. I liked day 1 and day 2 Palmar better than the "usual" Palmar who has returned for day 4. Palmar, you did not get iGrok lynched. GGQ had more to do with getting Palmar lynched than you did. Stop saying that. Additionally, iGrok was hardcore bussed starting at least before day 2. One thing I've learned thanks to Curu in the last mafia game is that when someone is saying something stupid or wrong, over and over again despite being told otherwise multiple times, they're scum. So stop saying that you are confirmed town; you're not. In fact, how about this? Let's go ahead and confirm your alignment. ##vote: Palmar PS... I haven't forgotten about ON. | ||
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Yeah so carry on with your trolling; it's doing a lot to help. | ||
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On September 28 2011 00:58 chaoser wrote: I fake claimed as DT in a game where a watcher, a DT, a tracker, and another DT were either flipped from death or accounted for by claiming in the thread and I ended up winning the game as mafia without being lynched. Fake claiming is not really that big a risk. At the least, as iGrok showed, your teammates can bus you if needed. This risk is even less in this game especially since it is a closed setup game where we don't know the roles and also the number of roles that exist. This makes it's very very possible to fake claim and get away with it. Of course I'm not trying to convince you that you fake claimed lol, I'm trying to convince others. Your play makes no sense for someone who is a proclaimed tracker, not to mention the fact that you were townie in two previous other games and mafia thought it prudent to kill you off day 1. Now that you've claimed tracker, mafia doesn't kill you? They don't even roleblock you. You're a good player with a blue information role and instead they shoot supersoft? Someone that they didn't know was blue over someone that they knew was blue? That doesn't seem right at all. If Kitman is scum, then he somehow knew that you were the one responsible for radfield, which makes you scum. Alternatively, kitman is telling the truth, which means you're telling the truth which makes him town and you 3rd party or town. Either way, I don't see a scenario where we should lynch kitaman before you. However given the fact that Palmar's been a scummy troll, ON has all but disappeared and GGQ also has all but disappeared, I'd say there were 3 lynch targets better than either of you. This town has been one big huge sheepfest, and it needs to stop. | ||
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On September 28 2011 06:28 chaoser wrote: Ok so you're saying...the only way kita is scum... is if i'm scum...and I shot radfield? You do realize people don't have to play with perfect information right? No what I'm saying is that you weren't really responsible for radfield... Notice how our vigi died that same night? | ||
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On September 29 2011 01:48 Cyber_Cheese wrote: Oh I overlooked Drazerk and Kitaman27 being on all of them too... Both Pyo and I haven't been on any, and if we disclude the third which most of the town was on, GGQ joins us. coming up with a contrived way to clear yourself... am I the only one who thinks this is really scummy? ON flipping town makes me really hesitant to push anyone (especially given that it is night still), but it really should be pointed out that "always being on the right side of a lynch" means you know something that the rest of town didn't... I still haven't wrapped my head around all the chaoser/palmar bullshit. The thing that really bothers me about it is that if I were to pick 2 people at the start of the game who would have absolutely no trepidation with fake claiming a 3rd party, it would be those two. Neither of their claims make any sense nor does the fact that they're both still alive. Hopefully at least one of them dies tonight to make things simpler... or better yet if I die tonight then I don't have to think about it – either way, I'm going to wait till the day post before I really try wade through the fake claiming/sheeping/bull shitting that's been going on. | ||
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On October 01 2011 02:05 chaoser wrote: Guys switch over to Pyo plzzzz gg scum... this town is full of idiots, including myself. I really can't believe that people actually believed the whole "now I become a vanilla townie" nonsense. For what it's worth, I'm Barliman Butterbur, Owner of the Prancing Pony, Vanilla Townie. I also voted in this thread but forgot to click "Post" on my actual vote. | ||
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