Lord of the Rings Mafia

On September 12 2011 04:51 GMarshal wrote:
My wincondition is now to outpost Dr.H.
So, can we make the thread hit page 100 before day 1 is over?

I think we can! ^_^

On September 20 2011 19:02 Palmar wrote:
prplhz should probably give the ring away to his strongest townread. I'd go with one of Radfield, Sandroba, myself and pyo.

On September 20 2011 19:02 Palmar wrote:


Derp... prplhz said he doesn't actually have the ring.

On September 20 2011 23:11 syllogism wrote:
Palmar please give me a reason to believe you are town besides your resurrection mafia-esque apathy . It will do for now, but you've to start posting. And lol at you claiming that you would have been pushing for DrH if you had cared enough.

Why do you think Radfield is town, given that Erandorr flipped town and based on his post earlier today he was going to go for two additional town lynches (chaos13 and me)? And now he finds his own wagon scummy, even me despite specifically wanting me to switch. Speaking of the lynch, it was still better than WBG/prplplz lynches. I may be tunneling due to the night kills making very little sense (saurun's ability allowed them to kill whoever they wanted), because he IS contributing more than anyone really. I'll have to find one of his scum games to see what his scum play looks like. Anything more recent than Harry Potter and the Deathly Hallows Mafia?

On September 20 2011 23:09 Jackal58 wrote:

Don't even start.


Palmar - What exactly were you trying to prove with your day 1 BS?

Prplhz - Were you implying before about your hit that it came from a vig? If you were why do you think that? I'd guess if a vig shot he shot Bugs.

On September 20 2011 23:24 syllogism wrote:

Yes, but that was a no flip game so I was hoping something more standard

On September 21 2011 02:06 GGQ wrote:
iGrok has done nothing to alleviate my suspicions and remains my #1 scum read. I can't find anyone who seems directly connected to him, except perhaps archon for a chainsaw vote on me after I voted igrok

I want to address the rampant tendency of people to post their town reads. Why are we doing this? Unless the person is at risk of getting lynched, there's no reason to talk about who you think is town or pro-town. You're just giving the mafia free targets.

I'm gonna take a look at that cipher now brb

On September 21 2011 17:29 syllogism wrote:

Are you going to do anything useful all game?

On September 22 2011 02:25 jcarlsoniv wrote:


But I don't understand, logically, why with only 3 votes, he would claim as scum.

On September 22 2011 02:24 Cyber_Cheese wrote:


Vote for whoever you feel to be the most deserving of a lynch. This is not a majority required game, a no-lynch won't occur.

On September 22 2011 02:47 Cyber_Cheese wrote:


So can you provide the meta your using with comparison or not?

On September 22 2011 04:01 raynpelikoneet wrote:
I meant to say, at least that is what he claims.

On September 22 2011 07:15 Drazerk wrote:


Of course you would.

On September 22 2011 08:04 Drazerk wrote:
Vigi shoot Palmar not iGrok

Medics protect me

if you have a decent medic target I am open to suggestions

And yeah I'm probably going to die now.

On September 22 2011 19:39 Cyber_Cheese wrote:


When presented with the choice, he chose jackal for whatever reason,and then all those people figured they could follow his lead. While you should remember that Jackal didn't look innocent, the case was better on Palmar than it was on Jackal, I suspect him and/or several of the people that moved to Jackal are scum.

These people were on both Errandor and Jackal's wagons at days end, and in my opinion are therefore people we should be wary of:
-Radfield
-kitaman27
-OriginalName
-TranceStorm
-Drazerk

On September 22 2011 20:09 Radfield wrote:


Your play reminds me so much of scum Ace I don't even know what to say. You're like mini-Ace.

Who should we kill tonight.

On September 22 2011 21:04 prplhz wrote:
@palmar

how the hell is drazerk pushing scum agenda? if he is pushing scum agenda then igrok is clearly scum, why doesn't he appear on your list?

On September 22 2011 23:47 syllogism wrote:
So predictably igrok is completely worthless at least if we pick the target for him, assuming scum has a roleblocker

On September 22 2011 23:48 chaoser wrote:


If you think syllogism is looking townie then obviously Drazerk should be looking townish too. Syllogism said he shot iGrok but then iGrok survived. Drazerk immediately starts dropping hints all over that he's the medic that protected iGrok. The response was quick enough that the only way Drazerk as mafia could have done it is if it was all preplanned.

On September 23 2011 00:52 jcarlsoniv wrote:


Hello!

Because I clearly have a lot to learn in this game again.

Looking back, at the end of the day, the choices were you and jackal. Jackal flipped town. So you're right. I should have voted for scum. Should have left my vote on you.

On September 23 2011 01:26 GGQ wrote:


Do you believe that iGrok is malicious third party or mafia? Just curious.

On September 23 2011 21:10 heist wrote:
If the options were between iGrok (3rd party) and Jackal (town), how can you even make an argument based on how mafia voted? In fact it would make more sense for mafia to lynch the townie rather than the neutral.

The simplest explanation is that he is telling the truth.

It's so easy to vote for him and have a superficial reason for an explanation. Everyone's "justification" amounts to nothing more than "He's lying. Let's lynch him because I think I'm right".

On September 23 2011 21:20 heist wrote:


Mafia gains town cred by killing 3rd parties. Yes, exactly what I want to try and stop.

On September 22 2011 07:27 kitaman27 wrote:
iGrok here are your conditions, if you fail to follow them, we instantly lynch you:

1) You will never receive the ring. Don't bother asking for it again. You becoming bulletproof is of little interest to town.

2) You shoot tonight at the target we provide you. You're not holding on to your kp until late game where you can decide to use it on whichever faction benefits you most.

3) You're not allowed to completely disappear for the remainder of the game. You don't get a free pass. You have to continue to give us your scum reads.

Between Palmar and Jackal, I think Jackal is probably the better choice. He just lacks the aggressiveness and the confidence that I'm used to seeing from him. He played a similar style back in PTP (1 or 2?) where he never really accused anyone and maintained a low profile as the serial killer.

##Vote Jackal58

On September 24 2011 00:05 kitaman27 wrote:
That's funny, cause I win when Evil has been purged from Middle Earth. That includes you.

On September 23 2011 08:02 kitaman27 wrote:


Or scum. Him claiming to falsely take a hit would be consistent with his fake dt claim. He is completely hiding in the shadows.

On September 24 2011 00:22 kitaman27 wrote:
So I've gone from "baller and hero of the people" to "retard" in an hours span? That's nice.

igrok needs to be dealt with as well, but today chaoser gets lynched.

Do you really buy his claim Palmar? You went from saying he is scummy scum scum to accepting a rediculous claim in no time flat.

On September 21 2011 15:32 syllogism wrote:
Either he is lying scum or a "neutral" third party whose win con involves killing a townie. Our win con is to purge all evil and it doesn't get more much more evil than a balrog

Either way if he doesn't flip mafia, curu really messed up

On September 24 2011 00:34 kitaman27 wrote:
Give me one example in tl mafia history that there was a town aligned bulletproof compulsive vig.

On September 24 2011 00:51 chaoser wrote:


We're brothers yo! Stewards of Gordor ftw!

On September 24 2011 01:35 kitaman27 wrote:
jcarl, you don't buy the fake claim do you?

On September 24 2011 01:37 kitaman27 wrote:


Heh so now I went from "town hero", to "retard", to "scum"? -_-

On September 24 2011 21:01 supersoft wrote:
##vote: OriginalName

I have nothing to add to pyos and heists accuses. I filtered ON and I got the same impression. I don't know whether iGrok really checked him or not, and I don't care. I want to kill scum today.

On September 25 2011 03:26 Cyber_Cheese wrote:
Chaoser attacked the person who was leading the town best, The fact Radfield flipped scum doesn't necessarily excuse that.

On September 26 2011 08:15 raynpelikoneet wrote:


Who else? Why shouldn't we hang you?

On September 26 2011 08:26 raynpelikoneet wrote:
Palmar, why ON? Do you think iGrok lied to bus hes teammate?

On September 26 2011 08:27 raynpelikoneet wrote:
And why kita? He's basically "confirmed town" right?

On September 26 2011 08:35 TranceStorm wrote:

But its even weirder to play as mafia. Remember that he correctly discerned that chaoser had killed someone. That seems to be more of a town ability than a mafia one. I don't understand why a mafia character would have the ability to simply search for other people who have killed.

On September 26 2011 23:44 Palmar wrote:
I think scenario 1 is quite likely.

Palmar is probably town, but the bulletproof vigilante thing is way too op with all the power roles that flipped.

On September 26 2011 23:45 Palmar wrote:


Lol, what the shit you dumbass, can't you see that they're really two SK's who figured each other out, then the bastard mod allowed them to PM each other.

On September 26 2011 23:46 Palmar wrote:


Not a fucking chance you moron, is your theory really based on assuming the mod is a bastard mod? What the hell?

I don't even know why we're discussing this, ON or Kita should be up for scrutinity.

On September 26 2011 23:47 Palmar wrote:


But what if they're both mafia?

I know it seems like a stretch seeing as Palmar's been pushing for iGrok's lynch since day 2, shouting at people they're morons for not voting him.

but maybe it's an elaborate plan.

On September 26 2011 23:49 Palmar wrote:


You're a fucking moron. It's seems like it's a stretch because IT IS a stretch.

Can we just drop the issue now? Chaoser isn't killing town at the moment, and Palmar has actually gotten a mafia lynched, that's more than rest of the players in the game can say. Occam's razor says Kita is mafia, ON feels quite scummy and I'm pretty sure Pyo is not scum, so even if somewhat flawed his argument is legit.

On September 26 2011 23:49 Palmar wrote:


Shut up, I'm now ignoring everything you say.

On September 26 2011 23:47 kitaman27 wrote:
...Are you talking to yourself Palmar? Or just trolling -_-

If that's a post restriction, it screams Gollum.

On September 27 2011 00:13 Palmar wrote:



Well here is a thing.

If it was day 2, and you actually looked like a townie, I would never ask you. But it's day 4, you put in some ridiculous restrictions on iGrok instead of just wanting to lynch him on day 2.

And excuse me, but you're a veteran, and I can't believe you'd be so incredibly dumb as to let him live on day 2, and then try it AGAIN on day 3 without being scum. I just think you're smarter than that. Newbies are excused because they don't realize how ridiculous the claim is, and they don't know me/syllo/sandroba well enough to just assume that when we all agree that we're right.

Greymist - newbie
chaoser - SK (he's not this stupid as town, and his claim makes no sense)
Radfield - Scum
Drazerk - newbie
raynpelikoneet - newbie
jcarlsoniv - ???? (but to be fair he thought I was scum because I trolled him)
TranceStorm - newbie
OriginalName - ????
kitaman - ????

You see. there are two names on this list of people who should really not have fallen for this bullshit, it's you and ON.

Now, let's start easy, since that can't hurt.

List all the players you have tracked so far in the game. Don't tell us if they had a night action or not, just list them.

On September 27 2011 01:11 Drazerk wrote:
##vote: Palmar

We're not letting another scum claim third party and troll their way to victory.

On September 27 2011 01:30 Cyber_Cheese wrote:
##Vote Palmar
I've been doing it the last two days and he hasn't given me much reason to stop now. Will provide an argument at some point when I find the time to write it up tomorrow.

On September 27 2011 05:47 Pyo wrote:
Palmar, raynpelikoneet, you both said you agreed with my analysis on ON, yet your votes don't seem to agree with it. What's up with that? You guys just want to say that agreed with it in case he's vigi'd, but don't want to lend weight to the lynch?

On September 27 2011 22:04 kitaman27 wrote:
Now that you're around, wanna explain that Gollum sequence you had? Or are you going to pretend it never happened.

On September 27 2011 22:32 jcarlsoniv wrote:
Palmar, do you think it's likely that a town aligned medic would be left alive 2 days after he claimed? (Drazerk)

On September 28 2011 00:00 kitaman27 wrote:


Are you kidding me? Palmar repeating it 100 times doesn't make it true. Don't let them push an awful mislynch like this.

On September 28 2011 00:11 raynpelikoneet wrote:
And don't worry, i won't let anyone lead me to think who should or shouldn't be lynched. I've learned my lesson in day 2 already.

On September 28 2011 01:35 raynpelikoneet wrote:


Mafia claiming has been senseless througout the game already.

How would you explain the fact that Drazerk protected prplhz, was not RB, and still there was a mafia hit on prp?

On September 28 2011 01:48 raynpelikoneet wrote:


Don't hesitate bro, there is a lot of time left for me to make up my mind. Although i may or may not be here when the dayphase ends, so better be answering. Otherwise all the other noobs may fiollow me and youre gonna get lynched.

On September 28 2011 02:43 jcarlsoniv wrote:


If you read Palmar's filter, the vast majority of his posts have been trolling. We've all been ignoring a lot of what he's saying just because he's been super annoying the whole game. He's been openly trolling the whole time.

On September 28 2011 02:47 jcarlsoniv wrote:


What about it? You're the only one who's been openly trolling the whole game. And you find it entertaining that mafia is open about trolling.

On September 28 2011 02:48 kitaman27 wrote:


Just because he might be a medic, doesn't mean he is town aligned.

You were on my scum team for both WaW2 and Personality mafia and both games we had a scum medic on our team. I'm suspicious why you would purposely overlook this fact.

On September 28 2011 04:39 Pyo wrote:


I liked day 1 and day 2 Palmar better than the "usual" Palmar who has returned for day 4. Palmar, you did not get iGrok lynched. GGQ had more to do with getting Palmar lynched than you did. Stop saying that. Additionally, iGrok was hardcore bussed starting at least before day 2. One thing I've learned thanks to Curu in the last mafia game is that when someone is saying something stupid or wrong, over and over again despite being told otherwise multiple times, they're scum. So stop saying that you are confirmed town; you're not. In fact, how about this? Let's go ahead and confirm your alignment.

##vote: Palmar

PS... I haven't forgotten about ON.

On September 28 2011 05:55 Drazerk wrote:


I still think SS was hit by third party over mafia until a vigilante owns up to hitting me

On September 28 2011 06:13 TranceStorm wrote:
I'm under the opinion that mafia are not among our top candidates. For example, I am still extra suspicious of Cyber_Cheese because of his vote for OriginalName and because of his "I'd rather lynch chaoser than iGrok" comments. I think people are putting a little too much faith into the fact that mafia were bussing iGrok. Remember that Radfield led a last-minute effort on day 2 to pull the lynch off of iGrok and onto Jackal.

On September 28 2011 06:25 kitaman27 wrote:


Greymist. I honestly think you are the only person in the thread that doesn't think chaoser is a serial killer. Are you still willing to reason or is this a lost cause?

This is only your 3rd-4th game, so I'm not sure if you are just unaware about how unlikely his claim is or what. In the history of team liquid mafia, there has never been a town aligned bulletproof compulsive vigilante. This role would be beyond broken for town. Even if every single one of us were vanilla town and we had 1 bulletproof compulsive vigilante, the setup would still be town favored. In there history of teamliquid mafia, there are only a handful of town aligned players who ever ever been bulletproof. You only see them in PYP games and the occassion theme game. In the history of teamliquid mafia, there have only been a handful of town aligned compulsive vigilantes. It is absolutely impossible to take two of the strongest possible roles and combining them. How can you say he is not attacking threats to himself? He has been trying to get my lynched all day long.

On September 28 2011 06:27 Pyo wrote:


If Kitman is scum, then he somehow knew that you were the one responsible for radfield, which makes you scum. Alternatively, kitman is telling the truth, which means you're telling the truth which makes him town and you 3rd party or town. Either way, I don't see a scenario where we should lynch kitaman before you.

However given the fact that Palmar's been a scummy troll, ON has all but disappeared and GGQ also has all but disappeared, I'd say there were 3 lynch targets better than either of you. This town has been one big huge sheepfest, and it needs to stop.

On September 28 2011 06:32 kitaman27 wrote:


You said just a few hours ago that you were fine with lynching the SK. You and chaoser have been buddy, buddy the entire game.

How could I be the roleblocker when I've already confirmed myself as a tracker...

On September 28 2011 07:11 heist wrote:


I think you and I are in the same boat, contrary to the confidence Palmar has.

On September 28 2011 08:04 kitaman27 wrote:


No help to you, who conveiently disappeared after I confirmed myself. Same with jcarl and pyo.

On September 28 2011 08:07 Drazerk wrote:
Chaoser shoot Palmar tonight please...

On September 28 2011 08:08 Drazerk wrote:
In fact Mafia shoot Palmar tonight please

On September 28 2011 08:09 chaoser wrote:


LOL what a lie. you killed two good townies for nothing.

On September 28 2011 08:09 kitaman27 wrote:
lol has the third party faction just achieved victory or something? o.O

On September 28 2011 08:11 kitaman27 wrote:
What stops the town from just lynching your tomorrow?

On September 28 2011 08:12 kitaman27 wrote:
What extra power did you get for obtaining the ring?

On September 28 2011 08:13 GreYMisT wrote:
Yea I posted while he was posting that.
How can we not afford to lynch you tomorrow if you are killing us? And in fact, how do you know you will be killing townies?

On September 28 2011 08:23 kitaman27 wrote:
chaoser, what happens when you obtain the ring for killing Palmar?

On September 28 2011 08:27 kitaman27 wrote:
How come I have a feeling you guys share a joint victory and are just trolling us until the day post comes -_-

On September 28 2011 08:28 chaoser wrote:


I got two active abilities:

1) I kill someone
2) I check a votelist to see if anyone in it has the ring

I also have the passive ability of being bulletproof

On September 28 2011 08:31 kitaman27 wrote:


What doesn't make sense, is why would you claim right now if you knew chaoser would just shoot you?

On September 28 2011 08:32 chaoser wrote:


You got 2 KP, I only have the one. I actually did get shot day one and I didn't die so you can take that for what you want.

On September 28 2011 08:33 jcarlsoniv wrote:
You know what's fun Palmar? Scum will be more than happy to kill you because then they will get the Ring. Awesome...

On September 28 2011 09:12 jcarlsoniv wrote:


Hey, I would love to have someone around I can definitely trust. I just don't like people saying I should trust them with no real reason to do so. This is largely why I have been against Palmar this whole game.

On September 28 2011 16:21 heist wrote:


I'll take a chunk of the blame. My activity was sporadic and my reads were pretty off. But let's kill Palmar for sure tonight, shall we?

On September 29 2011 04:10 kitaman27 wrote:
@chaoser/Palmar

Why did you guys choose to shoot radfield/sandroba on night two, if your win condition was to obtain the ring?

On October 10 2011 10:22 Curu wrote:
(sorry for the half assed post but I can't miss Falcons vs Packers!)

On October 11 2011 11:21 heist wrote:
Don't worry. I shall never trust a claim again.