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I'm one a horse.
Good one palmer
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On September 28 2011 03:05 jcarlsoniv wrote:Show nested quote +On September 28 2011 02:43 jcarlsoniv wrote:On September 25 2011 03:06 Palmar wrote:
This game is so much fun. I love it when mafia is open about their trolling lol.
Also, what a baller claim iGrok, you're a hero. If you read Palmar's filter, the vast majority of his posts have been trolling. We've all been ignoring a lot of what he's saying just because he's been super annoying the whole game. He's been openly trolling the whole time. Quoting myself. Really would like to know someone else's thoughts on this.
A vast majority have been trolling but the few that he writes that are pertinent to the game have been gems. Go look at Ace's games. His posts can be characterized as trolling since he spends half of them being dismissive and a condescending douche =P. And yet he is widely regarded as the best player in the game. I'd rather have a lot of trolling and some beautiful posts than continued shittastic posting. I am willing to look at Palmer tomorrow but for now I am 100% sure kita is mafia.
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On September 28 2011 03:16 kitaman27 wrote:
And what happens when I'm not? Oh wait, absolutely nothing, because you force the town to be under even more pressure to search for scum. Can't lynch the serial killer it that's the case.
What if I'm blue. Same thing happens. What you just wrote isn't a defense, it's something that applies to anyone that is town getting lynched. Good job saying absolutely nothing with a fear tactic scum.
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On September 28 2011 04:39 Pyo wrote:Show nested quote +On September 28 2011 01:28 Palmar wrote:
it makes no sense for mafia to claim what drazerk has claimed. If he was actually mafia he could've just said he protected me (I got iGrok lyncheD), chaoser (could be a vigi, although he's an SK), or Kita (claimed tracker).
Drazerkery is not scum, he's bad, but not scum.
I liked day 1 and day 2 Palmar better than the "usual" Palmar who has returned for day 4. Palmar, you did not get iGrok lynched. GGQ had more to do with getting Palmar lynched than you did. Stop saying that. Additionally, iGrok was hardcore bussed starting at least before day 2. One thing I've learned thanks to Curu in the last mafia game is that when someone is saying something stupid or wrong, over and over again despite being told otherwise multiple times, they're scum. So stop saying that you are confirmed town; you're not. In fact, how about this? Let's go ahead and confirm your alignment. ##vote: PalmarPS... I haven't forgotten about ON.
Pyo, what do you think about kita?
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On September 28 2011 05:37 GreYMisT wrote:
Chaoser, you mentioned earlier when you role-claimed that you can shoot when certain requirements are met. care to devulge those now that it is pretty much between you and kit in my eyes?
No, I don't. Would it help you make a decision? Cause I don't see how my telling you what my requirements are is going to help. There is a chance people are able to make me unable to do my requirement and so I can't shoot mafia anymore. That is the most I am willing to say.
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On September 28 2011 05:41 TranceStorm wrote:Show nested quote +On September 28 2011 00:45 kitaman27 wrote:
There were 20+ players in the game. Its unreasonable to think I would just risk a tracker claim and hope I was right. If the 1/20+ odds don't go my way, then I'm lynched for lying. The fact is, I am a tracker and I wasn't lying. As for being a mafia tracker, I don't recall ever playing in a game where scum could track people. Even it its possible, 99% of the time, the tracker is town aligned. Don't overthink this.
Also, isn't it convenient that nobody else is committing one way or another until they see where the safe lynch is? People like draz have completely disappeared. I really really want to believe that kitaman is mafia, but this is the stumbling block for me. I find it super suspicious that the one information role who has scum-hunting abilities was not even touched by the mafia who decided to hit an assortment of other players instead. But at the same time, kitaman did call out chaoser correctly, and I don't think a tracker would be useful at all in the hands of mafia. Chaoser makes some arguments about how kitaman made a massive gamble and what not, but that's got a really really low chance of success (must less than even iGrok's gamble) and I don't think the mafia would take that risk. On the basis of his role itself, I think kitaman is not mafia.
I claimed DT as mafia in a game where a tracker, a watcher, and two other DTs were out in the open. Many people sheeped me into letting the mafia win. Let's not have that happen again.
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On September 28 2011 05:45 chaoser wrote:Show nested quote +On September 28 2011 05:41 TranceStorm wrote:On September 28 2011 00:45 kitaman27 wrote:
There were 20+ players in the game. Its unreasonable to think I would just risk a tracker claim and hope I was right. If the 1/20+ odds don't go my way, then I'm lynched for lying. The fact is, I am a tracker and I wasn't lying. As for being a mafia tracker, I don't recall ever playing in a game where scum could track people. Even it its possible, 99% of the time, the tracker is town aligned. Don't overthink this.
Also, isn't it convenient that nobody else is committing one way or another until they see where the safe lynch is? People like draz have completely disappeared. I really really want to believe that kitaman is mafia, but this is the stumbling block for me. I find it super suspicious that the one information role who has scum-hunting abilities was not even touched by the mafia who decided to hit an assortment of other players instead. But at the same time, kitaman did call out chaoser correctly, and I don't think a tracker would be useful at all in the hands of mafia. Chaoser makes some arguments about how kitaman made a massive gamble and what not, but that's got a really really low chance of success (must less than even iGrok's gamble) and I don't think the mafia would take that risk. On the basis of his role itself, I think kitaman is not mafia. I claimed DT as mafia in a game where a tracker, a watcher, and two other DTs were out in the open. Many people sheeped me into letting the mafia win. Let's not have that happen again.
Not to mention his actions as his role doesn't make sense:
http://www.teamliquid.net/forum/viewmessage.php?topic_id=264699¤tpage=104#2075
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On September 28 2011 05:49 TranceStorm wrote:Show nested quote +On September 28 2011 05:45 chaoser wrote:On September 28 2011 05:41 TranceStorm wrote:On September 28 2011 00:45 kitaman27 wrote:
There were 20+ players in the game. Its unreasonable to think I would just risk a tracker claim and hope I was right. If the 1/20+ odds don't go my way, then I'm lynched for lying. The fact is, I am a tracker and I wasn't lying. As for being a mafia tracker, I don't recall ever playing in a game where scum could track people. Even it its possible, 99% of the time, the tracker is town aligned. Don't overthink this.
Also, isn't it convenient that nobody else is committing one way or another until they see where the safe lynch is? People like draz have completely disappeared. I really really want to believe that kitaman is mafia, but this is the stumbling block for me. I find it super suspicious that the one information role who has scum-hunting abilities was not even touched by the mafia who decided to hit an assortment of other players instead. But at the same time, kitaman did call out chaoser correctly, and I don't think a tracker would be useful at all in the hands of mafia. Chaoser makes some arguments about how kitaman made a massive gamble and what not, but that's got a really really low chance of success (must less than even iGrok's gamble) and I don't think the mafia would take that risk. On the basis of his role itself, I think kitaman is not mafia. I claimed DT as mafia in a game where a tracker, a watcher, and two other DTs were out in the open. Many people sheeped me into letting the mafia win. Let's not have that happen again. Yeah but kitaman essentially confirmed his powers as tracker - not like in your previous instances. When he called you out, only 3 people had been killed that night (not including modkills). That means that he only had a 3/20ish chance of picking out the right person if he was just guessing. Not likely in my opinion. Its far more likely that he's not lying about his abilities.
Radfield, who was mafia, already thought I was a third party. Him announcing it so late is also due to the fact that he was deciding on whether he wanted to do it or not. He could have claimed he tracked me early right after the flip. He waited 7 hours until he did it and when asked why he said "he wanted to see what I was going to do" except he never asks me any questions before that, never talks to me before that. It make no sense.
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Not to mention it's strange that he was neither roleblocked or killed. Instead, supersoft was hit, someone who wasn't contributing much at all and was basically a lurker.
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On September 28 2011 05:56 Drazerk wrote:Show nested quote +On September 28 2011 05:53 chaoser wrote:
Not to mention it's strange that he was neither roleblocked or killed. Instead, supersoft was hit, someone who wasn't contributing much at all and was basically a lurker. But yeah I agree it's weird he has been able to survive this long ( Considering we have been role blocked / shot at each night since announcing our blueness )
Drazerk, you say all this and yet you're still voting for palmer. Are you willing to change your vote to kitaman?
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On September 28 2011 06:15 TranceStorm wrote:Show nested quote +On September 28 2011 05:52 chaoser wrote:On September 28 2011 05:49 TranceStorm wrote:On September 28 2011 05:45 chaoser wrote:On September 28 2011 05:41 TranceStorm wrote:On September 28 2011 00:45 kitaman27 wrote:
There were 20+ players in the game. Its unreasonable to think I would just risk a tracker claim and hope I was right. If the 1/20+ odds don't go my way, then I'm lynched for lying. The fact is, I am a tracker and I wasn't lying. As for being a mafia tracker, I don't recall ever playing in a game where scum could track people. Even it its possible, 99% of the time, the tracker is town aligned. Don't overthink this.
Also, isn't it convenient that nobody else is committing one way or another until they see where the safe lynch is? People like draz have completely disappeared. I really really want to believe that kitaman is mafia, but this is the stumbling block for me. I find it super suspicious that the one information role who has scum-hunting abilities was not even touched by the mafia who decided to hit an assortment of other players instead. But at the same time, kitaman did call out chaoser correctly, and I don't think a tracker would be useful at all in the hands of mafia. Chaoser makes some arguments about how kitaman made a massive gamble and what not, but that's got a really really low chance of success (must less than even iGrok's gamble) and I don't think the mafia would take that risk. On the basis of his role itself, I think kitaman is not mafia. I claimed DT as mafia in a game where a tracker, a watcher, and two other DTs were out in the open. Many people sheeped me into letting the mafia win. Let's not have that happen again. Yeah but kitaman essentially confirmed his powers as tracker - not like in your previous instances. When he called you out, only 3 people had been killed that night (not including modkills). That means that he only had a 3/20ish chance of picking out the right person if he was just guessing. Not likely in my opinion. Its far more likely that he's not lying about his abilities. Radfield, who was mafia, already thought I was a third party. Him announcing it so late is also due to the fact that he was deciding on whether he wanted to do it or not. He could have claimed he tracked me early right after the flip. He waited 7 hours until he did it and when asked why he said "he wanted to see what I was going to do" except he never asks me any questions before that, never talks to me before that. It make no sense. Yeah but waiting for 7 hours doesn't change the fact that there is still only a 3/20 chance of being correct. And if he were mafia, it would be even lower because he would have had to identify the vig/3rd party. Regardless of his suspicious actions, the fact that he made that correct call is so unlikely if he were mafia.
You really think a gimped tracker role would be in a game where gandalf can basically read your pm? Where Legolas can get three KP? Where Tom can technically infinite KP? Those are some of the flips btw. It still makes no sense that he wanted to lynch me over iGrok, especially since I killed Radfield. How do you even explain that? Basically you're saying, yeah he's shady but he blue claimed and got my kill right. It still doesn't explain the reasoning for why he waited 7 hours.
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On September 28 2011 06:15 TranceStorm wrote:Show nested quote +On September 28 2011 05:52 chaoser wrote:On September 28 2011 05:49 TranceStorm wrote:On September 28 2011 05:45 chaoser wrote:On September 28 2011 05:41 TranceStorm wrote:On September 28 2011 00:45 kitaman27 wrote:
There were 20+ players in the game. Its unreasonable to think I would just risk a tracker claim and hope I was right. If the 1/20+ odds don't go my way, then I'm lynched for lying. The fact is, I am a tracker and I wasn't lying. As for being a mafia tracker, I don't recall ever playing in a game where scum could track people. Even it its possible, 99% of the time, the tracker is town aligned. Don't overthink this.
Also, isn't it convenient that nobody else is committing one way or another until they see where the safe lynch is? People like draz have completely disappeared. I really really want to believe that kitaman is mafia, but this is the stumbling block for me. I find it super suspicious that the one information role who has scum-hunting abilities was not even touched by the mafia who decided to hit an assortment of other players instead. But at the same time, kitaman did call out chaoser correctly, and I don't think a tracker would be useful at all in the hands of mafia. Chaoser makes some arguments about how kitaman made a massive gamble and what not, but that's got a really really low chance of success (must less than even iGrok's gamble) and I don't think the mafia would take that risk. On the basis of his role itself, I think kitaman is not mafia. I claimed DT as mafia in a game where a tracker, a watcher, and two other DTs were out in the open. Many people sheeped me into letting the mafia win. Let's not have that happen again. Yeah but kitaman essentially confirmed his powers as tracker - not like in your previous instances. When he called you out, only 3 people had been killed that night (not including modkills). That means that he only had a 3/20ish chance of picking out the right person if he was just guessing. Not likely in my opinion. Its far more likely that he's not lying about his abilities. Radfield, who was mafia, already thought I was a third party. Him announcing it so late is also due to the fact that he was deciding on whether he wanted to do it or not. He could have claimed he tracked me early right after the flip. He waited 7 hours until he did it and when asked why he said "he wanted to see what I was going to do" except he never asks me any questions before that, never talks to me before that. It make no sense. Yeah but waiting for 7 hours doesn't change the fact that there is still only a 3/20 chance of being correct. And if he were mafia, it would be even lower because he would have had to identify the vig/3rd party. Regardless of his suspicious actions, the fact that he made that correct call is so unlikely if he were mafia.
Who are you willing to lynch over kitaman then? I'm willing also to lynch ON. I just feel strongest about kitaman being scum
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You claimed gimped tracker...there has NEVER been such a role in TL mafia. Not in themed games, not in PYP games, not in anything. So yeah...
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On September 28 2011 06:27 Pyo wrote:Show nested quote +On September 28 2011 00:58 chaoser wrote:On September 28 2011 00:45 kitaman27 wrote:
There were 20+ players in the game. Its unreasonable to think I would just risk a tracker claim and hope I was right. If the 1/20+ odds don't go my way, then I'm lynched for lying. The fact is, I am a tracker and I wasn't lying. As for being a mafia tracker, I don't recall ever playing in a game where scum could track people. Even it its possible, 99% of the time, the tracker is town aligned. Don't overthink this.
Also, isn't it convenient that nobody else is committing one way or another until they see where the safe lynch is? People like draz have completely disappeared. I fake claimed as DT in a game where a watcher, a DT, a tracker, and another DT were either flipped from death or accounted for by claiming in the thread and I ended up winning the game as mafia without being lynched. Fake claiming is not really that big a risk. At the least, as iGrok showed, your teammates can bus you if needed. This risk is even less in this game especially since it is a closed setup game where we don't know the roles and also the number of roles that exist. This makes it's very very possible to fake claim and get away with it. Of course I'm not trying to convince you that you fake claimed lol, I'm trying to convince others. Your play makes no sense for someone who is a proclaimed tracker, not to mention the fact that you were townie in two previous other games and mafia thought it prudent to kill you off day 1. Now that you've claimed tracker, mafia doesn't kill you? They don't even roleblock you. You're a good player with a blue information role and instead they shoot supersoft? Someone that they didn't know was blue over someone that they knew was blue? That doesn't seem right at all. If Kitman is scum, then he somehow knew that you were the one responsible for radfield, which makes you scum. Alternatively, kitman is telling the truth, which means you're telling the truth which makes him town and you 3rd party or town. Either way, I don't see a scenario where we should lynch kitaman before you. However given the fact that Palmar's been a scummy troll, ON has all but disappeared and GGQ also has all but disappeared, I'd say there were 3 lynch targets better than either of you. This town has been one big huge sheepfest, and it needs to stop.
Ok so you're saying...the only way kita is scum... is if i'm scum...and I shot radfield? You do realize people don't have to play with perfect information right?
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On September 28 2011 06:28 kitaman27 wrote:Show nested quote +On September 28 2011 06:15 TranceStorm wrote:On September 28 2011 05:52 chaoser wrote:On September 28 2011 05:49 TranceStorm wrote:On September 28 2011 05:45 chaoser wrote:On September 28 2011 05:41 TranceStorm wrote:On September 28 2011 00:45 kitaman27 wrote:
There were 20+ players in the game. Its unreasonable to think I would just risk a tracker claim and hope I was right. If the 1/20+ odds don't go my way, then I'm lynched for lying. The fact is, I am a tracker and I wasn't lying. As for being a mafia tracker, I don't recall ever playing in a game where scum could track people. Even it its possible, 99% of the time, the tracker is town aligned. Don't overthink this.
Also, isn't it convenient that nobody else is committing one way or another until they see where the safe lynch is? People like draz have completely disappeared. I really really want to believe that kitaman is mafia, but this is the stumbling block for me. I find it super suspicious that the one information role who has scum-hunting abilities was not even touched by the mafia who decided to hit an assortment of other players instead. But at the same time, kitaman did call out chaoser correctly, and I don't think a tracker would be useful at all in the hands of mafia. Chaoser makes some arguments about how kitaman made a massive gamble and what not, but that's got a really really low chance of success (must less than even iGrok's gamble) and I don't think the mafia would take that risk. On the basis of his role itself, I think kitaman is not mafia. I claimed DT as mafia in a game where a tracker, a watcher, and two other DTs were out in the open. Many people sheeped me into letting the mafia win. Let's not have that happen again. Yeah but kitaman essentially confirmed his powers as tracker - not like in your previous instances. When he called you out, only 3 people had been killed that night (not including modkills). That means that he only had a 3/20ish chance of picking out the right person if he was just guessing. Not likely in my opinion. Its far more likely that he's not lying about his abilities. Radfield, who was mafia, already thought I was a third party. Him announcing it so late is also due to the fact that he was deciding on whether he wanted to do it or not. He could have claimed he tracked me early right after the flip. He waited 7 hours until he did it and when asked why he said "he wanted to see what I was going to do" except he never asks me any questions before that, never talks to me before that. It make no sense. Yeah but waiting for 7 hours doesn't change the fact that there is still only a 3/20 chance of being correct. And if he were mafia, it would be even lower because he would have had to identify the vig/3rd party. Regardless of his suspicious actions, the fact that he made that correct call is so unlikely if he were mafia. Arguing with a serial killer is pointless. I even breadcrumbed my suspicion of him, right before the day post. It's crazy to think I didn't track him. A few games back when I was watcher, I sat on my red check an entire day before claiming. Just because I didn't instantly claim, doesn't mean the claim is fake.
Quote the game and post please
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On September 28 2011 06:29 kitaman27 wrote:Show nested quote +On September 28 2011 06:27 chaoser wrote:
You claimed gimped tracker...there has NEVER been such a role in TL mafia. Not in themed games, not in PYP games, not in anything. So yeah... Are you honestly trying to argue that a nerfed tracker is more likely than a bulletproof compuslive vigilante.....
I'm saying that your claim means jack shit as does mine. But at least my actions have been consistent and I killed a mafia. On the other hand your actions have been all over the place. All of a sudden you are no longer suspicious of heist and ON, even though you said you would right up something for them. You push for my lynch over iGrok's that day and only after town pushed for iGrok's lynch did you move over. That was about 11 hours after the flip btw.
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On September 28 2011 06:37 kitaman27 wrote:Show nested quote +On September 28 2011 06:29 GreYMisT wrote:
As far as I understand his claim, He is not compulsive, he can just shoot if certain criteria are met. I think it is possible he is SK, its just other than his role, nothing he has done has seemed SKish. He is lying. He has no requirements. Do you think its really a coincidence he won't ever reveal them? Is it really a coincidence that he just happened to get a bulletproof role and survive the shot? It is really a coincidence that he just happened to have a kp when he got tracked? The claim was far too convenient. Fine, even if he has requirements, do you really think there is a bulletproof player in the game who can shoot? It's just so unreasonable. Yes, other than his role he has done everything that makes him seem skish. On day two, he 100% supports igrok after his third party claim. He makes a specific reference to the assassin game, talking about how its always a waste to lynch third party. He was keeping around igrok because it meant that iGrok would always get lynched before him. Shooting radfield is 100% in line with a sk agenda. Not only does it give him town cred as third party, it also removes the player that is most capable of leading a lynch against him.
You're kidding me lol. Why would I want iGrok around if he's an SK? SK's can't win with other SKs. Now you're spinning Radfield, a mafia, as SK agenda when it's a TOWN AGENDA to kill scum.
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I suggest people get their votes down since right now the votelist is ripe for mafia to swing it
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On September 28 2011 07:06 Pyo wrote:Show nested quote +On September 28 2011 06:28 chaoser wrote:On September 28 2011 06:27 Pyo wrote:On September 28 2011 00:58 chaoser wrote:On September 28 2011 00:45 kitaman27 wrote:
There were 20+ players in the game. Its unreasonable to think I would just risk a tracker claim and hope I was right. If the 1/20+ odds don't go my way, then I'm lynched for lying. The fact is, I am a tracker and I wasn't lying. As for being a mafia tracker, I don't recall ever playing in a game where scum could track people. Even it its possible, 99% of the time, the tracker is town aligned. Don't overthink this.
Also, isn't it convenient that nobody else is committing one way or another until they see where the safe lynch is? People like draz have completely disappeared. I fake claimed as DT in a game where a watcher, a DT, a tracker, and another DT were either flipped from death or accounted for by claiming in the thread and I ended up winning the game as mafia without being lynched. Fake claiming is not really that big a risk. At the least, as iGrok showed, your teammates can bus you if needed. This risk is even less in this game especially since it is a closed setup game where we don't know the roles and also the number of roles that exist. This makes it's very very possible to fake claim and get away with it. Of course I'm not trying to convince you that you fake claimed lol, I'm trying to convince others. Your play makes no sense for someone who is a proclaimed tracker, not to mention the fact that you were townie in two previous other games and mafia thought it prudent to kill you off day 1. Now that you've claimed tracker, mafia doesn't kill you? They don't even roleblock you. You're a good player with a blue information role and instead they shoot supersoft? Someone that they didn't know was blue over someone that they knew was blue? That doesn't seem right at all. If Kitman is scum, then he somehow knew that you were the one responsible for radfield, which makes you scum. Alternatively, kitman is telling the truth, which means you're telling the truth which makes him town and you 3rd party or town. Either way, I don't see a scenario where we should lynch kitaman before you. However given the fact that Palmar's been a scummy troll, ON has all but disappeared and GGQ also has all but disappeared, I'd say there were 3 lynch targets better than either of you. This town has been one big huge sheepfest, and it needs to stop. Ok so you're saying...the only way kita is scum... is if i'm scum...and I shot radfield? You do realize people don't have to play with perfect information right? No what I'm saying is that you weren't really responsible for radfield... Notice how our vigi died that same night?
...You're shitting me lol. I breadcrumbed my "sword of steel and iron" at the start of Day 2. The only other people that could have done have these abilities:
Active Ability
[Twoshot]Mirked by Mirkwood: Two times during the game during the night phase, you may destroy your enemies with your elite bow skills. If your target is already dead before you reach them, your shot will be refunded.
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[Oneshot]Andúril: One time during the game, you may smite down your enemies with the Sword That Was Broken. If your target is already dead before you reach them, your oneshot will be refunded. Simply PM me the name of your target during the night phase if you wish to use your ability during night, or type ##Cleave [name] in the thread if you wish to use your ability during the day.
As you can see Aragorn already used his one hit on iGrok. And Legolas kills with bows. So yeah, I'm the only one that could have killed Radfield.
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