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##vote iGrok
Says he was filtering DrH's posts. Never did.
Said he had analysis. He actually never did any.
Says a medic protected him. One, why would any medic protect him? Two, Medics generally only protect in the night which is what makes day vigis so powerful.
Says he's a third party that wants to help us but needs the ring. First of all, we don't know if that IS ACTUALLY your wincon, second of all you haven't been a help to town yet, why should we trust you to suddenly become helpful all of a sudden after you get the ring? You could just lurk the fuck out. This is protactinium all over again and this time I've learned my lesson.
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On September 21 2011 20:11 Radfield wrote:Show nested quote +Alright guys, well you've heard me out. Give me the ring, and I'll start working a hell of a lot harder this game, hunt down Saruman, and give a DT an unblockable shot. Otherwise, I'll basically keep doing what I've done so far. Your move. How bout no. Your claim seems like so much bullshit, yet I see very little motivation for your claim from a mafia perspective. Your claim buys you maximum 1 day if you are scum. Here's what's going to happen: You're not going to get the ring, and you're not going to wait for a dt check. You are going to shoot a target of our choosing tonight, and that target is going to flip with your fancy flavor text. In the event that doesn't happen you are going to get auto-lynched the next day, end of story. If you want to contribute or not, I could care less. Frankly at this point you're just a distraction. You are either mafia shitting things up, and will be confirmed scum tomorrow, or your third party shitting things up and will deliver us a kill. ______________ I'll have more time later on today, but need either Jackal or Pyo to get lynched today. + Show Spoiler +On September 18 2011 21:08 Jackal58 wrote:
I'm just gonna watch this thing grow.
Syllogism is right about my activity in this game. Up to this point though I have had little to nothing to say. Most of you insist upon going back and creating scenarios for the mechanics of the game. I have had no desire to comment on your speculations. He's wrong about my alignment though. But that's ok. It's getting late in the day and votes are scattered all over. Will be interesting to see who all wants to jump all over me. Won't it Heist? On September 18 2011 21:25 Jackal58 wrote:
My vote is going on Bugs. Having played a couple of games with him now I know he is aggressive as town. He has not trolled any games to this point. His activity level is the same but his style is different. I don't believe he is mafia but I do believe he is 3rd party with a separate win condition from town. Right now I see two options for him. Lynch him or give him the ring and see what happens.
If he and the ring leave the game that is probably not a bad thing. If we lynch him and the ring stays in the game that's probably not quite as optimal but still not a bad thing. Worse case scenario is they are both still here tomorrow.
If you have the ring give it to Bugs. I can't believe that will end the game. The ring is inherently evil anyways.
Other than Bugs the only person that has struck me as off is Heist. I'm more sure of Bugs not being town than I am of Heist being scum so Bugs is getting my vote. I cannot reconcile these two statements with a town player. First statement makes an excuse for inactivity in that you don't want to "create scenarios for the mechanics". The second statement, and your reason for voting are based on creating scenarios for the ring mechanic. Add to this that you have refused to weigh in on the major lynch candidates, and have no real scum reads other than heist(who's obviously not getting lynched anytime soon). You have zero contributions this game other than a poor analysis on heist(who you've been poking since day 1). Are you really trying to claim that your only read this entire game is Heist? Jackal and Pyo are both very likely scum, iGrok as well but he will confirm his own alignment(via his night kill) for us. We lynch Jackal first as that narrows down our list of vets. Presumably some of me, chaoser, sandro, syllo, palmar, ON will die tonight which will leave several players out in the open. ##Vote Jackal
Who do you suggest he kills tonight? Whoever out of Jackal and Pyo we don't lynch?
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Also, radfield's post prompted me to reread jackal's posts this game. As we all know day1 he was pushing for a WBG lynch, but didn't seem to comment on the errandor wagon forming and had no problem with it. However right when errandor flipped he said that WBG was clearly the better lynch, even though he did nothing to disuade us from going through with it day1.
##Vote Jackal58
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On September 22 2011 00:28 chaoser wrote:
##vote iGrok
Says he was filtering DrH's posts. Never did.
Said he had analysis. He actually never did any.
Says a medic protected him. One, why would any medic protect him? Two, Medics generally only protect in the night which is what makes day vigis so powerful.
Says he's a third party that wants to help us but needs the ring. First of all, we don't know if that IS ACTUALLY your wincon, second of all you haven't been a help to town yet, why should we trust you to suddenly become helpful all of a sudden after you get the ring? You could just lurk the fuck out. This is protactinium all over again and this time I've learned my lesson.
Actually, nvm, if he's third party then mafia can kill him, we don't need to waste a lynch on him. If he's mafia then where he uses his hit will out him.
##unvote iGrok
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He already took a hit and didn't die
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On September 22 2011 00:28 chaoser wrote:
##vote iGrok
Says he was filtering DrH's posts. Never did.
Said he had analysis. He actually never did any.
Says a medic protected him. One, why would any medic protect him? Two, Medics generally only protect in the night which is what makes day vigis so powerful.
Says he's a third party that wants to help us but needs the ring. First of all, we don't know if that IS ACTUALLY your wincon, second of all you haven't been a help to town yet, why should we trust you to suddenly become helpful all of a sudden after you get the ring? You could just lurk the fuck out. This is protactinium all over again and this time I've learned my lesson.
This is a dangerous post because it contains misinformation.
I double checked IGrok's filter because of it to look for anything else and try and throw a vote on.
He posted an analysis on Palmar in the very same post as his claim that relied on Palmar trying to confirm himself off DocH, so I'm tempted to believe you didn't read it.
More than anything though, it would help us if you explained how you allegedly survived an attack, to compare and contrast to IGrok's reasoning.
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On September 22 2011 00:51 syllogism wrote:
He already took a hit and didn't die
And so did you apparently.
How?
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On September 22 2011 00:58 Cyber_Cheese wrote:Show nested quote +On September 22 2011 00:51 syllogism wrote:
He already took a hit and didn't die And so did you apparently. How?
Also I'm still looking for an answer from back when I asked your opinion on Palmar.
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I could tell you and you would believe me, but it wouldn't make the issue of igrok any clearer and could only help mafia. The only reason to reveal any information about my role would be if I'm in danger of being lynched or vigied, which I'm not.
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On September 22 2011 01:00 Cyber_Cheese wrote:Show nested quote +On September 22 2011 00:58 Cyber_Cheese wrote:On September 22 2011 00:51 syllogism wrote:
He already took a hit and didn't die And so did you apparently. How? Also I'm still looking for an answer from back when I asked your opinion on Palmar.
It still looks more like his recent apathetic town play than his scum play, but at the same time if this is how he plays town these days, I'll be highly disappointed. Just stop joining games if you don't care or don't have time. If I don't take meta into account, he is obviously isn't looking townish at all.
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On September 21 2011 20:17 syllogism wrote:
But does Balrog the SK make sense to you? Balrog the mafia seems more realistic and I don't know why he would voluntarily claim balrog instead of his real role (that is, he would then be SK with a more fitting character). He was going to get lynched unless his claim was very good and if this claim buys him that one day, it's a success. He could have a vital scum role that he can use tonight, though I'm not sure how I could reconcile that with him surviving a shot.
The problem is there is no impetus for scum to claim third party. Why not just claim town power role, as that is far easier to pull off. Not to mention that towns absolutely LOVE piling on a confirmed third party.
Buying himself an extra day is possible, but if that's his strategy then this is a terrible way to do it.
Here's the thing, if iGrok was confirmed Third Party, we would absolutely NOT be lynching him. Thing is, this is a totally bullshit claim, and nothing stacks up in that claim.
One thing is for certain, iGrok is certainly not town as no townie would ever make that claim. If no one is willing to back me on Jackal(or Pyo) then we should bring the hammer down on iGrok.
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I'm not apathetic you derp, I'm highly enthusiastic about lynching iGrok!
Even if in some crazy world his claim is true (I don't fucking believe it for a second), then he's a survivor and can as well ally with the mafia if they do well.
Just kill him, I think he's not third party, I think he's scum, and should be deaded.
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Ok, I just thought about this some more and igrok's claim is clearly bullshit:
1) He lied about his role, since he took a hit and survived.
2) His claimed wincondition is too easy, based on his abilities. He has infinite checks to find a person, he can play however he wants, he has an extra life and all he need to do is survive? Also his claim that he was playing scummy day1 to avoid a mafia hit no longer holds, since he just survived a hit.
3) Gandalf's role has no mention of Balrog. Isn't that weird?
So he clearly is not a survivor, but wtf is he? To me it seems more likely he is an assassin/sk type, but really there is no way to tell. He did claim this shit with only 3 votes on him and I really don't know why he would do that, but I've seen stranger things before.
I'm keeping my vote where it is, unless igrok can actually shoot during the day and hits scum on his own.
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On September 22 2011 01:10 Radfield wrote:Show nested quote +On September 21 2011 20:17 syllogism wrote:
But does Balrog the SK make sense to you? Balrog the mafia seems more realistic and I don't know why he would voluntarily claim balrog instead of his real role (that is, he would then be SK with a more fitting character). He was going to get lynched unless his claim was very good and if this claim buys him that one day, it's a success. He could have a vital scum role that he can use tonight, though I'm not sure how I could reconcile that with him surviving a shot. The problem is there is no impetus for scum to claim third party. Why not just claim town power role, as that is far easier to pull off. Not to mention that towns absolutely LOVE piling on a confirmed third party. Buying himself an extra day is possible, but if that's his strategy then this is a terrible way to do it. Here's the thing, if iGrok was confirmed Third Party, we would absolutely NOT be lynching him. Thing is, this is a totally bullshit claim, and nothing stacks up in that claim. One thing is for certain, iGrok is certainly not town as no townie would ever make that claim. If no one is willing to back me on Jackal(or Pyo) then we should bring the hammer down on iGrok.
Is there a reason you aren't willing to consider Palmar?
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I agree, but then again we had kitaman claiming Pacifist Ocean and Wiggles Time Traveller as scum in WaW2. Sure, it was a less serious game but mistakes happen. I would be more inclined to let igrok live if he actually was a SK who is willing to kill at our command, but he seems reluctant to even do that.
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On September 22 2011 00:51 syllogism wrote:
He already took a hit and didn't die
He strikes me more as "third party that's lying/not being completely truthful about his wincon and abilities" than as "mafia trying a weird fake claim off no pressure". Usually if there's a role that needs to kill a specific other role, that other role has to kill this role too. His whole claim strikes me as weird. He gets to search for specific subset of roles that aren't part of his wincon? He only has to kill one of the four people he can search for? All he needed to do was survive, there was no reason for him to come out and claim his role since one of his wincon is already fulfilled (Gandalf is dead) and all he needs to do is get to endgame. He is bulletproof already it seems so the ring doesn't actually give him bulletproof powers. He is probably third party trying to win the game early (probably wincon is to get the ring or something).
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Here's another problem. Mafia got safe-claims, so it's not a stretch to imagine that 3rd parties got one too. If iGrok actually intended to not use a safe-claim and go with his real claim, then he would probably have done well enough to at least leave a single breadcrumb to point to later in the game. Not doing so would be incredibly short-sighted.
Think about it, if his win-condition truly is surviving he'd never have claimed a damn survivor, because he KNOWS we'll lynch him at some point, just to make sure he's not lying.
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On September 22 2011 00:58 Cyber_Cheese wrote:Show nested quote +On September 22 2011 00:28 chaoser wrote:
##vote iGrok
Says he was filtering DrH's posts. Never did.
Said he had analysis. He actually never did any.
Says a medic protected him. One, why would any medic protect him? Two, Medics generally only protect in the night which is what makes day vigis so powerful.
Says he's a third party that wants to help us but needs the ring. First of all, we don't know if that IS ACTUALLY your wincon, second of all you haven't been a help to town yet, why should we trust you to suddenly become helpful all of a sudden after you get the ring? You could just lurk the fuck out. This is protactinium all over again and this time I've learned my lesson. This is a dangerous post because it contains misinformation. I double checked IGrok's filter because of it to look for anything else and try and throw a vote on. He posted an analysis on Palmar in the very same post as his claim that relied on Palmar trying to confirm himself off DocH, so I'm tempted to believe you didn't read it. More than anything though, it would help us if you explained how you allegedly survived an attack, to compare and contrast to IGrok's reasoning.
My bad, I didn't see the palmer analysis cause I figured his whole post was on how he was balrog (only piece of "misinformation", more like error on my part). Either way, why would I tell you how I survived? That takes out all the WIFOM for mafia trying to kill me again tonight. And how does knowing how I survived help "compare and contract igrok's reasoning"?
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To re-iterate, you are not allowed to copy paste any part of your role PM. This is because I did not type up all my role PMs at once so wording may be different across them; for example, purely hypothetically, if there are two Medics that have the same ability but their ability is worded differently, I don't want people to use that as a reason to call someone Mafia.
Mig will also suffer for his mistake with the night post.
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Even if he is what he claims (which he is not) we have no choice but kill him before he uses his hit. There is 7 town and 1 mafia dead. If you were survivor would you side with mafia or town in this situation? He is just going to save his shot and use in on a townie close to lylo when we cannot chance lynching him.
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