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syllogism
Finland5948 Posts
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Cyber_Cheese
Australia3615 Posts
On September 21 2011 21:40 syllogism wrote: You should probably retire from mafia if you really believe he could be a townie doing it for fun at this point. You don't even need his claim to see he isn't playing like a townie would You haven't made any convincing arguments in your filter, and you completely ignore the precident set by WBG. If you think IGrok is so obviously a scumbag, make a solid case against him, rather than blanket statements designed to offend anyone that disagrees. Aside from being angry he survived your attack for what ever reason, I'm not sure why your pushing to lynch IGrok. You claim to have survived a hit for whatever reason too, don't let it blind you from potentially better candidates. I would advise you to look at my argument against Palmar on the previous page, I would like to know your opinion on him. | ||
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Drazerk
United Kingdom31255 Posts
On September 21 2011 21:40 syllogism wrote: You should probably retire from mafia if you really believe he could be a townie doing it for fun at this point. You don't even need his claim to see he isn't playing like a townie would Alls I am saying is not to kill him today. | ||
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prplhz
Denmark8045 Posts
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Drazerk
United Kingdom31255 Posts
On September 21 2011 22:06 prplhz wrote: drazerk why not kill him today? you want to postpone the lynch to tomorrow? also why do you think he's gonna get killed anyway, as you stated on some previous post? We have better targets Not really if he's lying I'd rather a vigi take care of it. People are already shooting at him over the claim, some idiot will shoot him either Mafia before he has a chance to go through with his plan or a vigilante. If your going to ask about possible medics I'd rather they focus their attentions elsewhere. | ||
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prplhz
Denmark8045 Posts
why would it be idiotic to shoot him? why do you even think anybody is gonna shoot someone who already survived a hit somehow? why do you want to keep a guy alive whose only defense is a claim, and who then magically survives a hit even though his claim said nothing about that ability? the guy needs to die and a lynch is the only way to go. although i'm interested in any case you think you can make against jack/pyo/rad. | ||
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Cyber_Cheese
Australia3615 Posts
On September 21 2011 22:54 prplhz wrote: @drazerk why would it be idiotic to shoot him? why do you even think anybody is gonna shoot someone who already survived a hit somehow? why do you want to keep a guy alive whose only defense is a claim, and who then magically survives a hit even though his claim said nothing about that ability? the guy needs to die and a lynch is the only way to go. although i'm interested in any case you think you can make against jack/pyo/rad. Let's not forget the other people that survived a hit and didn't claim at all so hastily. What do you think of Palmar? | ||
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Cyber_Cheese
Australia3615 Posts
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prplhz
Denmark8045 Posts
why do you even want my opinion, i'm confirmed town. i'm not gonna scumslip or anything. maybe you should focus on people who actually might be scum. | ||
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Cyber_Cheese
Australia3615 Posts
On September 21 2011 23:00 prplhz wrote: what? palmar is in this game? why do you even want my opinion, i'm confirmed town. i'm not gonna scumslip or anything. maybe you should focus on people who actually might be scum. Because there may be better targets in the game then the one you choose to tunnel. Aside from surviving a shot, I haven't seen any cases made against him since his claim. That I would find enough in itself usually, but two other people already survived a hit today, the first of which (chaoser) promised to pay his debts. | ||
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Cyber_Cheese
Australia3615 Posts
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Drazerk
United Kingdom31255 Posts
On September 21 2011 22:54 prplhz wrote: @drazerk why would it be idiotic to shoot him? why do you even think anybody is gonna shoot someone who already survived a hit somehow? why do you want to keep a guy alive whose only defense is a claim, and who then magically survives a hit even though his claim said nothing about that ability? the guy needs to die and a lynch is the only way to go. although i'm interested in any case you think you can make against jack/pyo/rad. Medics exist and that's what I think has happened here and it's why I am asking they stay away tonight. | ||
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Cyber_Cheese
Australia3615 Posts
On September 21 2011 23:08 Cyber_Cheese wrote: What, you thought confirmed town meant you could just bandwagon willy nilly? I should add to that. You are the sole person all townies can trust, and therefore when you say something we can be assured you don't have an ulterior motive. I don't want to see that wasted because you don't properly review all of the evidence and instead hop on a mafia fuelled bandwagon. | ||
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raynpelikoneet
Finland43268 Posts
On September 21 2011 22:14 Drazerk wrote: We have better targets Not really if he's lying I'd rather a vigi take care of it. People are already shooting at him over the claim, some idiot will shoot him either Mafia before he has a chance to go through with his plan or a vigilante. If your going to ask about possible medics I'd rather they focus their attentions elsewhere. What better targets do we have? And why would you give him +1 day, so when he knows at night he's gonna die tomorrow he can randomly shoot someone. Also it's pretty much comfirmed he is not town, let it be 3rd party or mafia. At least I can't be sure which he is. | ||
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prplhz
Denmark8045 Posts
also @drazerk but medics don't protect through day. thus he's either a veteran or he's somehow immune to ##cleave, no matter what then he lied about his role. also, why would any medic protect igrok, he is scummy as hell and he didn't contribute during day1 at all. | ||
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Drazerk
United Kingdom31255 Posts
On September 21 2011 23:27 prplhz wrote: uhmn isn't it a bit weird that igrok claimed after 3 pressure votes. i mean, a lot of people got 3 votes during day1 and they didn't claim, i've actually never seen anyone claim after just 3 votes and we weren't that far into the day, a lot of things could have happened. i think igrok felt very guilty and thinks the case against him is pretty strong, because he is scum. and that made him claim some shit he just made up. also @drazerk but medics don't protect through day. thus he's either a veteran or he's somehow immune to ##cleave, no matter what then he lied about his role. also, why would any medic protect igrok, he is scummy as hell and he didn't contribute during day1 at all. How do you know medics don't protect through the day? I've played a lot of games where they have protected all cycle. As for why they would protect iGrok? I have no idea. | ||
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Cyber_Cheese
Australia3615 Posts
On September 21 2011 23:27 prplhz wrote: uhmn isn't it a bit weird that igrok claimed after 3 pressure votes. i mean, a lot of people got 3 votes during day1 and they didn't claim, i've actually never seen anyone claim after just 3 votes and we weren't that far into the day, a lot of things could have happened. i think igrok felt very guilty and thinks the case against him is pretty strong, because he is scum. and that made him claim some shit he just made up. also @drazerk but medics don't protect through day. thus he's either a veteran or he's somehow immune to ##cleave, no matter what then he lied about his role. also, why would any medic protect igrok, he is scummy as hell and he didn't contribute during day1 at all. The way I've been looking at it, his assassination target get mod-killed and that caused the claim. I'd be much more concerned about him surviving "##Cleave" if two other people hadn't survived attacks, including the person who activated the '##Cleave'. It's likely any medics heals do last for the day too, we should force a role claim from both chaoser and syllogism first before declaring that to not be a possibility in a closed setup. There are six options here for things I believe IGrok could be: 1) Mafia, somehow surviving the attack. 2) Town, trolling, maybe thinking it's a kinda cool claim. 3) Telling the truth, not actually sure how he survived. 4) He may have purposely left part of his role out for some reason, but I doubt it. 5) An immune third party, which means we won't be left with any information on other scum. 6) Town, blue role hiding under third party claim. Without more information on how the others survived too, it's hard to piece together anything. If you can make a case based off actions he made that aren't explained by his current claim, I am all ears, but so he seems like a convenient lynch for the mafia to take because they are relying on us to stop talking about the other targets in the meantime. See also. On September 21 2011 20:20 Palmar wrote: How is this even a discussion? Murder the shit out of iGrok. | ||
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prplhz
Denmark8045 Posts
if you don't see any reason for why any medic should protect igrok through the night, then why would you rather assume that he's been medic protected rather than that he's some sort of veteran and he's been lying about his role? also, who do you think we should lynch instead of igrok and more importantly, why? | ||
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TranceStorm
1616 Posts
I'm also inclined to believe that syllogism wasn't being truthful about being hit by a day vig. We can now see that a day vig has to write "##Cleave target" (or whatever kill command they have) - nobody did that to syllogism. I don't quite understand why he did that though. | ||
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Palmar
Iceland22633 Posts
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