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On September 22 2011 01:10 Radfield wrote:Show nested quote +On September 21 2011 20:17 syllogism wrote:
But does Balrog the SK make sense to you? Balrog the mafia seems more realistic and I don't know why he would voluntarily claim balrog instead of his real role (that is, he would then be SK with a more fitting character). He was going to get lynched unless his claim was very good and if this claim buys him that one day, it's a success. He could have a vital scum role that he can use tonight, though I'm not sure how I could reconcile that with him surviving a shot. The problem is there is no impetus for scum to claim third party. Why not just claim town power role, as that is far easier to pull off. Not to mention that towns absolutely LOVE piling on a confirmed third party. Buying himself an extra day is possible, but if that's his strategy then this is a terrible way to do it. Here's the thing, if iGrok was confirmed Third Party, we would absolutely NOT be lynching him. Thing is, this is a totally bullshit claim, and nothing stacks up in that claim. One thing is for certain, iGrok is certainly not town as no townie would ever make that claim. If no one is willing to back me on Jackal(or Pyo) then we should bring the hammer down on iGrok.
Why am I scum again? You're not answering me. Why are you not answering me?
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I would be actually more interested finding mafia than a 3rd party, but as I see it we really have no choise this point but lynch iGrok. Or do we?
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On September 22 2011 01:11 Palmar wrote:
I'm not apathetic you derp, I'm highly enthusiastic about lynching iGrok!
Even if in some crazy world his claim is true (I don't fucking believe it for a second), then he's a survivor and can as well ally with the mafia if they do well.
Just kill him, I think he's not third party, I think he's scum, and should be deaded.
Use some of that enthusiasm and respond to the case he made against you
+ Show Spoiler +On September 21 2011 19:31 iGrok wrote:Oh, ##vote: Palmar. For everything I said earlier. + Show Spoiler [For those of you who skipped my big post] +On September 18 2011 08:24 Palmar wrote:
hey guys, I'm in a good mood so I'm not gonna ruin it by reading the thread. See you tomorrow This was his first post. Nothing scummy here, but it sets the mood for everything else he posts. Now, here's a list of his opinions since then. Radfield, WBG, ErrandorprplhzDrHRadfield, himself, Sandroba, PyoPause. Next post. On September 20 2011 19:05 Palmar wrote:Show nested quote +On September 20 2011 19:02 Palmar wrote:On September 20 2011 19:02 Palmar wrote:
prplhz should probably give the ring away to his strongest townread. I'd go with one of Radfield, Sandroba, myself and pyo. Derp... prplhz said he doesn't actually have the ring. In any case, if you're lying, you should consider giving it away. btw, Sandroba is almost definitely town, but only if he takes his vote off me. I'm basically confirmed town from my exchanges with DrH, but only people like sandroba/syllo etc will see it. We need to keep an eye on syllo... yarly. chaoser is also very likely town. I don't like the smell of iGrok and Kita... Here, minimal interaction with DrH is played off as enough to auto-confirm him. This post sets off alarm bells in my head. Palmar contributed 4 posts before DrH died, 2 of which were "Herp I'm not reading the thread" (He was obviously reading the thread). Its his fourth post that interests me: "DrH is giving me really bad vibes." At the time, it looked like just another throwaway post. But post DrH's death, this post looks more like DrH new he was going to be modkilled and Palmar jumped out early to get a townie point. For the rest of the game, two things are going on. He puts faith in Radfield, and he continues to stress Sandroba town. (yes theres other shit but those're the important parts) Palmar already feels scummy. So lets continue on that assumption, and introduce possibilities. 1)Radfield and Sandroba are both town. If this is true, then Palmar is trying to gain town cred when they flip. With sandroba acting scummy and a possible lynch, and Radfield a good mafia target, thats two points for him. Fits with calling DrH scum.2)Radfield is town, Sandroba is scum. This is using Radfield's town cred to make Sandroba look better. Even those who don't trust Palmar will subliminally put them on closer levels. If sandroba didn't look so damn scummy, it might work.3)Radfield is scum, Sandroba is town. I just... don't see this as possible.4)Both are scum. I don't know what this would mean actually
And while your at it, care to answer my questions about you?
+ Show Spoiler +On September 21 2011 21:10 Cyber_Cheese wrote:Show nested quote +On September 21 2011 20:20 Palmar wrote:
How is this even a discussion? Murder the shit out of iGrok. This post aroused some serious suspcions on Palmar when I read it, he wants to shutdown discussion on other possible scum candidates apparently. I took a look through his filter for some background, and subsequently lead me to believe he is scum. When prodded by Syllogism to provide some background, he returns with this: Show nested quote +On September 21 2011 19:12 Palmar wrote:On September 21 2011 17:29 syllogism wrote:On September 21 2011 17:22 Palmar wrote:
rofl, die scum die Are you going to do anything useful all game? I'm voting iGrok! If bandwagoning is useful, then sure he's a great help. But in the interests of being fair, let's look more at his voting on IGrok: Show nested quote +On September 20 2011 22:32 Palmar wrote:
Erandorr worked because it was less bad a bandwagon than the others, which has now become apparent. DrH should really have been it, but I wasn't around to push them buttons. I never asked whom you have a town read on, giving that away would be incredibly stupid. I asked if you actually had a town read on someone, (the alternative being you don't have a town read on anyone). I was basically provoking you into start thinking about townies you can trust.
But I know it's extremely hard to work with you're stubborn and have really bad reads. I just hope that you'll be able to figure out what to do if you actually are the ring bearer. And I hope our medics understand that you're a great target tonight too.
In any case, it's time to lynch mafia.
##Vote iGrok Up until this point, his comments on IGrok were Show nested quote +On September 20 2011 19:05 Palmar wrote:
I don't like the smell of iGrok and Kita... Show nested quote +On September 20 2011 21:59 Palmar wrote:
iGrok's play is so much more passive and less assertive than it was in Ace's game. I'm thinking he's scummery. I'm gonna read the context of his posts better, but just a quick filter and you can see he's not really pushing any ideas, he's just being derp and making one-liners and lists.
So he doesn't like IGroks smell, and the rest of his reasoning relies on meta. It doesn't get any better as time passes Show nested quote +On September 21 2011 00:31 Palmar wrote:
Radfield, I'm looking at iGrok. I haven't gotten overly scummy vibes from anyone else (apart from DrH, but he's dead).
Syllogism is... dangerous, he's echoing what Sandroba and I are saying which makes sense if he's town, but he'd do it as scum anyway, because as soon as he disagrees on bad reasoning he's scum. He has made a few good calls though, but I expect him too, both as scum and town.
So the rest are probably lurking, or they're people like Jackal whose alignment I simply can't deduce due to him having a meta of being useless/wrong enough as town that I can't figure him out as scum.
Thing is, townies like posting more than mafia does, and I have quite a few good town reads. I'm actually reading now, so it'll pick up soon enough. We can only lynch one guy today anyway, and iGrok is a great candidate.
Go compare his style this game to his style as town in Ace's game, I'm not talking about content or amount, I'm talking about attitude and context. Notice how everything he uses is purely meta? This in itself is fine, but if you want to use meta, you have to do more than simply mention the word meta. He doesn't prove a comparison of IGrok's current playstyle to this meta, nor does he choose to bring up anything related to IGrok's actions in the current game. I'm not sold on IGrok either, but if this counts as a reason to vote for someone and useful contribution, somethings wrong. ##Unvote##Vote Palmar
I feel like this whole case on iGrok is just mafia leading the lynch, because aside from his apparently senseless claim there isn't much on him. He could have just done what Palmar is doing right now and ignored anything that put him in a negative light, but he chose to come forward with his role, and now I believe the mafia are using the role claim to blind town from the questions we raise on them, the most notable of which being iGroks argument against Palmar attached to his role claim.
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On September 22 2011 01:46 Cyber_Cheese wrote:
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I feel like this whole case on iGrok is just mafia leading the lynch, because aside from his apparently senseless claim there isn't much on him. He could have just done what Palmar is doing right now and ignored anything that put him in a negative light, but he chose to come forward with his role, and now I believe the mafia are using the role claim to blind town from the questions we raise on them, the most notable of which being iGroks argument against Palmar attached to his role claim.
This is what I believe is happening too. iGrok also said in his big post that he finds sandrobas actions scummy, actually after that he said "if sandroba didn't look so damn scummy...".
iGrok, why do you find sandrobas actions scummy? imo he hasn't done any scummy actions (besides softly accusing DrH and then slowly drifted away from it).
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am i the only one who thinks that it's weird that the dude straight up claimed in the face of 3 votes if he was 3rd party he could just have made an analysis and then we'd have backed off but he chose to make an inconsistent claim instead and now he is not talking at all. the dude is so scum.
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On September 22 2011 02:17 prplhz wrote:
am i the only one who thinks that it's weird that the dude straight up claimed in the face of 3 votes if he was 3rd party he could just have made an analysis and then we'd have backed off but he chose to make an inconsistent claim instead and now he is not talking at all. the dude is so scum.
This is a possibility that i consider, and this is why i see no way why we could let him live another night.
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On September 22 2011 01:30 raynpelikoneet wrote:
I would be actually more interested finding mafia than a 3rd party, but as I see it we really have no choise this point but lynch iGrok. Or do we?
Vote for whoever you feel to be the most deserving of a lynch. This is not a majority required game, a no-lynch won't occur.
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no you're not prplhz, and I agree with you.
I'm not going to respond to a case made by scum Cyber, sorry.
I can answer some of your questions though, because given the last game I played with you, you were dumb enough to believe shit like "mafia shoots people who are obviously town, but wrong" and then voting for obvious townies.
some things.
a) it's not bandwagoning when I'm the first person to vote him
b) discuss other people all you want, but not lynching iGrok would be nothing sort of stupid right now.
c) I always scumhunt on meta only. Call me bad for it, but I'm actually very effective at finding scum. I'm a bit of a dick so I'm less effective at convincing town.
But yeah, iGrok claiming is weird and unbelievable.
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On September 22 2011 02:17 prplhz wrote:
am i the only one who thinks that it's weird that the dude straight up claimed in the face of 3 votes if he was 3rd party he could just have made an analysis and then we'd have backed off but he chose to make an inconsistent claim instead and now he is not talking at all. the dude is so scum.
But I don't understand, logically, why with only 3 votes, he would claim as scum.
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On September 22 2011 02:25 jcarlsoniv wrote:Show nested quote +On September 22 2011 02:17 prplhz wrote:
am i the only one who thinks that it's weird that the dude straight up claimed in the face of 3 votes if he was 3rd party he could just have made an analysis and then we'd have backed off but he chose to make an inconsistent claim instead and now he is not talking at all. the dude is so scum. But I don't understand, logically, why with only 3 votes, he would claim as scum.
I don't logically understand why he claimed at all.
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On September 22 2011 02:25 jcarlsoniv wrote:Show nested quote +On September 22 2011 02:17 prplhz wrote:
am i the only one who thinks that it's weird that the dude straight up claimed in the face of 3 votes if he was 3rd party he could just have made an analysis and then we'd have backed off but he chose to make an inconsistent claim instead and now he is not talking at all. the dude is so scum. But I don't understand, logically, why with only 3 votes, he would claim as scum.
Because scum sometimes overreact to pressure. Why would he do it as 3rd party survivor?
He knows he will be lynched or killed eventually if he's telling the truth, but he isn't.
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On September 22 2011 02:24 Cyber_Cheese wrote:Show nested quote +On September 22 2011 01:30 raynpelikoneet wrote:
I would be actually more interested finding mafia than a 3rd party, but as I see it we really have no choise this point but lynch iGrok. Or do we? Vote for whoever you feel to be the most deserving of a lynch. This is not a majority required game, a no-lynch won't occur.
Stop giving bad advice.
If you have a good case, make it. If it doesn't take off, take a stance towards the other cases. If you think one of the cases is not terrible, vote for that, because townies voting random wagons that aren't working gives mafia statistically more sway in the vote.
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On September 22 2011 01:30 Jackal58 wrote:Show nested quote +On September 22 2011 01:10 Radfield wrote:On September 21 2011 20:17 syllogism wrote:
But does Balrog the SK make sense to you? Balrog the mafia seems more realistic and I don't know why he would voluntarily claim balrog instead of his real role (that is, he would then be SK with a more fitting character). He was going to get lynched unless his claim was very good and if this claim buys him that one day, it's a success. He could have a vital scum role that he can use tonight, though I'm not sure how I could reconcile that with him surviving a shot. The problem is there is no impetus for scum to claim third party. Why not just claim town power role, as that is far easier to pull off. Not to mention that towns absolutely LOVE piling on a confirmed third party. Buying himself an extra day is possible, but if that's his strategy then this is a terrible way to do it. Here's the thing, if iGrok was confirmed Third Party, we would absolutely NOT be lynching him. Thing is, this is a totally bullshit claim, and nothing stacks up in that claim. One thing is for certain, iGrok is certainly not town as no townie would ever make that claim. If no one is willing to back me on Jackal(or Pyo) then we should bring the hammer down on iGrok. Why am I scum again? You're not answering me. Why are you not answering me?
because Radfield is scum... see my previous post about him. I really don't get why everyone is so convinced that he's town.
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On September 22 2011 02:31 Palmar wrote:Show nested quote +On September 22 2011 02:24 Cyber_Cheese wrote:On September 22 2011 01:30 raynpelikoneet wrote:
I would be actually more interested finding mafia than a 3rd party, but as I see it we really have no choise this point but lynch iGrok. Or do we? Vote for whoever you feel to be the most deserving of a lynch. This is not a majority required game, a no-lynch won't occur. Stop giving bad advice. If you have a good case, make it. If it doesn't take off, take a stance towards the other cases. If you think one of the cases is not terrible, vote for that, because townies voting random wagons that aren't working gives mafia statistically more sway in the vote.
True, also considering there is that one ring in the game. What if iGrok survived the shot cos of this line.
"I know what happens when I get the ring. I become Bulletproof."
Would it be wise for town not to vote him?
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Drazerk is looking like a candidate who should be looked at more closely.
On September 21 2011 21:00 Drazerk wrote:Easy lynches for today! Myself Palmar iGrok as for myself... Show nested quote +On August 09 2011 07:31 Drazerk wrote:On August 09 2011 07:28 Curu wrote:
I'd also be a bit wary of Drazerk since his entire scum game in PTP was to be useless and active lurk while voting/bussing to gain Town cred. Already killed a townie. Can't be scum  for real lynch targets... Jackal / Pyo / Rad all give me bad vibes but I've yet to make my mind up on who I think is scum ( Possibly all of them but I highly doubt it ).
This post makes me worry.
Why you quote game from last month? If you are claiming a shot why not claim it openly?
Why list so many name but not have an opinion on them?
Why did you jump on the Erandorr bandwagon?
Why so many useless one liner? Just to make the 5 post?
##Vote Drazerk
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On September 22 2011 02:25 Palmar wrote:
no you're not prplhz, and I agree with you.
I'm not going to respond to a case made by scum Cyber, sorry.
I can answer some of your questions though, because given the last game I played with you, you were dumb enough to believe shit like "mafia shoots people who are obviously town, but wrong" and then voting for obvious townies.
some things.
a) it's not bandwagoning when I'm the first person to vote him
b) discuss other people all you want, but not lynching iGrok would be nothing sort of stupid right now.
c) I always scumhunt on meta only. Call me bad for it, but I'm actually very effective at finding scum. I'm a bit of a dick so I'm less effective at convincing town.
But yeah, iGrok claiming is weird and unbelievable.
So can you provide the meta your using with comparison or not?
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On September 21 2011 22:14 Drazerk wrote:Show nested quote +On September 21 2011 22:06 prplhz wrote:
drazerk why not kill him today? you want to postpone the lynch to tomorrow? also why do you think he's gonna get killed anyway, as you stated on some previous post? We have better targets Not really if he's lying I'd rather a vigi take care of it. People are already shooting at him over the claim, some idiot will shoot him either Mafia before he has a chance to go through with his plan or a vigilante. If your going to ask about possible medics I'd rather they focus their attentions elsewhere.
Who are these better targets Drazerk? You seem very unsure, just sure we shouldn't kill igrok.
On September 21 2011 21:00 Drazerk wrote:
Jackal / Pyo / Rad all give me bad vibes but I've yet to make my mind up on who I think is scum ( Possibly all of them but I highly doubt it ).
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On September 22 2011 02:47 Cyber_Cheese wrote:Show nested quote +On September 22 2011 02:25 Palmar wrote:
no you're not prplhz, and I agree with you.
I'm not going to respond to a case made by scum Cyber, sorry.
I can answer some of your questions though, because given the last game I played with you, you were dumb enough to believe shit like "mafia shoots people who are obviously town, but wrong" and then voting for obvious townies.
some things.
a) it's not bandwagoning when I'm the first person to vote him
b) discuss other people all you want, but not lynching iGrok would be nothing sort of stupid right now.
c) I always scumhunt on meta only. Call me bad for it, but I'm actually very effective at finding scum. I'm a bit of a dick so I'm less effective at convincing town.
But yeah, iGrok claiming is weird and unbelievable. So can you provide the meta your using with comparison or not?
I already stated it... day 1 of some mafia game by Ace.
It's really not relevant anymore since he claimed an anti town role. Then he claimed a medic save (no medic in their right mind would save him at that point).
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On September 22 2011 02:45 Archon_Toilet wrote:Drazerk is looking like a candidate who should be looked at more closely. Show nested quote +On September 21 2011 21:00 Drazerk wrote:Easy lynches for today! Myself Palmar iGrok as for myself... On August 09 2011 07:31 Drazerk wrote:On August 09 2011 07:28 Curu wrote:
I'd also be a bit wary of Drazerk since his entire scum game in PTP was to be useless and active lurk while voting/bussing to gain Town cred. Already killed a townie. Can't be scum for real lynch targets... Jackal / Pyo / Rad all give me bad vibes but I've yet to make my mind up on who I think is scum ( Possibly all of them but I highly doubt it ). This post makes me worry. Why you quote game from last month? If you are claiming a shot why not claim it openly? Why list so many name but not have an opinion on them? Why did you jump on the Erandorr bandwagon? Why so many useless one liner? Just to make the 5 post? ##Vote Drazerk
Read the game first...
He lied about the editing which through me over the fence.
No.
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so what are your thoughts on igrok you haven't voiced your opinion on him and that's kinda weird 'cause yesterday you actually wanted to lynch him, albeit briefly and not very pushy. today you have the chance to actually do that but you choose to focus on drazerk instead.
what's your opinion on igrok and why don't you want to lynch him anymore?
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