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prplhz
Denmark8045 Posts
also, lore wise, sauron was maia but gandalf/saruman/radagast weren't. they were istari and if you check out sauron's and gandalf's flips you'll see that gandalf doesn't have maia passive ability. i know your post said "those were the four names i was given in my role pm" but it just doesn't make sense and curu doesn't seem like the kind of guy who'd make that mistake, especially since role descriptions clearly state who is maia and who is istari. you're pretty scum igrok. | ||
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Palmar
Iceland22634 Posts
On September 21 2011 17:29 syllogism wrote: Are you going to do anything useful all game? I'm voting iGrok! | ||
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iGrok
United States5142 Posts
On September 21 2011 19:10 prplhz wrote: so igrok's defense is "i'm only acting scum so that scum wont hit me 'cause i'm 3rd party!" i think you need to cook up something better than "give me the ring and i might eventually kill saruman who may be evil" also, lore wise, sauron was maia but gandalf/saruman/radagast weren't. they were istari and if you check out sauron's and gandalf's flips you'll see that gandalf doesn't have maia passive ability. i know your post said "those were the four names i was given in my role pm" but it just doesn't make sense and curu doesn't seem like the kind of guy who'd make that mistake, especially since role descriptions clearly state who is maia and who is istari. you're pretty scum igrok. Lore-wise, you're full of shit. Maiar: Eönwë | Ilmarë | Ossë | Uinen | Salmar | Sauron | Melian | Arien | Tilion | Gothmog Curumo (Saruman) | Ungoliant | Olórin (Gandalf) | Aiwendil (Radagast) | Alatar (Morinehtar) | Pallando (Rómestámo) | Durin's Bane Source: http://lotr.wikia.com/wiki/Maia | ||
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iGrok
United States5142 Posts
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prplhz
Denmark8045 Posts
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iGrok
United States5142 Posts
For everything I said earlier. + Show Spoiler [For those of you who skipped my big post] + On September 18 2011 08:24 Palmar wrote: hey guys, I'm in a good mood so I'm not gonna ruin it by reading the thread. See you tomorrow This was his first post. Nothing scummy here, but it sets the mood for everything else he posts. Now, here's a list of his opinions since then. Radfield, WBG, Errandor prplhz DrH Radfield, himself, Sandroba, Pyo Pause. Next post. On September 20 2011 19:05 Palmar wrote: In any case, if you're lying, you should consider giving it away. btw, Sandroba is almost definitely town, but only if he takes his vote off me. I'm basically confirmed town from my exchanges with DrH, but only people like sandroba/syllo etc will see it. We need to keep an eye on syllo... yarly. chaoser is also very likely town. I don't like the smell of iGrok and Kita... Here, minimal interaction with DrH is played off as enough to auto-confirm him. This post sets off alarm bells in my head. Palmar contributed 4 posts before DrH died, 2 of which were "Herp I'm not reading the thread" (He was obviously reading the thread). Its his fourth post that interests me: "DrH is giving me really bad vibes." At the time, it looked like just another throwaway post. But post DrH's death, this post looks more like DrH new he was going to be modkilled and Palmar jumped out early to get a townie point. For the rest of the game, two things are going on. He puts faith in Radfield, and he continues to stress Sandroba town. (yes theres other shit but those're the important parts) Palmar already feels scummy. So lets continue on that assumption, and introduce possibilities. 1)Radfield and Sandroba are both town. If this is true, then Palmar is trying to gain town cred when they flip. With sandroba acting scummy and a possible lynch, and Radfield a good mafia target, thats two points for him. Fits with calling DrH scum. 2)Radfield is town, Sandroba is scum. This is using Radfield's town cred to make Sandroba look better. Even those who don't trust Palmar will subliminally put them on closer levels. If sandroba didn't look so damn scummy, it might work. 3)Radfield is scum, Sandroba is town. I just... don't see this as possible. 4)Both are scum. I don't know what this would mean actually | ||
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Radfield
Canada2720 Posts
Alright guys, well you've heard me out. Give me the ring, and I'll start working a hell of a lot harder this game, hunt down Saruman, and give a DT an unblockable shot. Otherwise, I'll basically keep doing what I've done so far. Your move. How bout no. Your claim seems like so much bullshit, yet I see very little motivation for your claim from a mafia perspective. Your claim buys you maximum 1 day if you are scum. Here's what's going to happen: You're not going to get the ring, and you're not going to wait for a dt check. You are going to shoot a target of our choosing tonight, and that target is going to flip with your fancy flavor text. In the event that doesn't happen you are going to get auto-lynched the next day, end of story. If you want to contribute or not, I could care less. Frankly at this point you're just a distraction. You are either mafia shitting things up, and will be confirmed scum tomorrow, or your third party shitting things up and will deliver us a kill. ______________ I'll have more time later on today, but need either Jackal or Pyo to get lynched today. + Show Spoiler + On September 18 2011 21:08 Jackal58 wrote: I'm just gonna watch this thing grow. Syllogism is right about my activity in this game. Up to this point though I have had little to nothing to say. Most of you insist upon going back and creating scenarios for the mechanics of the game. I have had no desire to comment on your speculations. He's wrong about my alignment though. But that's ok. It's getting late in the day and votes are scattered all over. Will be interesting to see who all wants to jump all over me. Won't it Heist? On September 18 2011 21:25 Jackal58 wrote: My vote is going on Bugs. Having played a couple of games with him now I know he is aggressive as town. He has not trolled any games to this point. His activity level is the same but his style is different. I don't believe he is mafia but I do believe he is 3rd party with a separate win condition from town. Right now I see two options for him. Lynch him or give him the ring and see what happens. If he and the ring leave the game that is probably not a bad thing. If we lynch him and the ring stays in the game that's probably not quite as optimal but still not a bad thing. Worse case scenario is they are both still here tomorrow. If you have the ring give it to Bugs. I can't believe that will end the game. The ring is inherently evil anyways. Other than Bugs the only person that has struck me as off is Heist. I'm more sure of Bugs not being town than I am of Heist being scum so Bugs is getting my vote. I cannot reconcile these two statements with a town player. First statement makes an excuse for inactivity in that you don't want to "create scenarios for the mechanics". The second statement, and your reason for voting are based on creating scenarios for the ring mechanic. Add to this that you have refused to weigh in on the major lynch candidates, and have no real scum reads other than heist(who's obviously not getting lynched anytime soon). You have zero contributions this game other than a poor analysis on heist(who you've been poking since day 1). Are you really trying to claim that your only read this entire game is Heist? Jackal and Pyo are both very likely scum, iGrok as well but he will confirm his own alignment(via his night kill) for us. We lynch Jackal first as that narrows down our list of vets. Presumably some of me, chaoser, sandro, syllo, palmar, ON will die tonight which will leave several players out in the open. ##Vote Jackal | ||
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Radfield
Canada2720 Posts
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syllogism
Finland5948 Posts
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syllogism
Finland5948 Posts
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Palmar
Iceland22634 Posts
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Drazerk
United Kingdom31255 Posts
Myself Palmar iGrok Personally I don't see the case against iGrok today he will self claim or die anyway so it's rather stupid to be killing him today with at least giving him that chance ( No I don't see him as third party and to be honest I don't see how other people can see that ) Palmar is useless, isn't contributing much and is going after the easy lynches all game but I think a bullet would be a better use for him. as for myself... for real lynch targets... Jackal / Pyo / Rad all give me bad vibes but I've yet to make my mind up on who I think is scum ( Possibly all of them but I highly doubt it ). | ||
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syllogism
Finland5948 Posts
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prplhz
Denmark8045 Posts
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Cyber_Cheese
Australia3615 Posts
On September 21 2011 20:20 Palmar wrote: How is this even a discussion? Murder the shit out of iGrok. This post aroused some serious suspcions on Palmar when I read it, he wants to shutdown discussion on other possible scum candidates apparently. I took a look through his filter for some background, and subsequently lead me to believe he is scum. When prodded by Syllogism to provide some background, he returns with this: If bandwagoning is useful, then sure he's a great help. But in the interests of being fair, let's look more at his voting on IGrok: On September 20 2011 22:32 Palmar wrote: Erandorr worked because it was less bad a bandwagon than the others, which has now become apparent. DrH should really have been it, but I wasn't around to push them buttons. I never asked whom you have a town read on, giving that away would be incredibly stupid. I asked if you actually had a town read on someone, (the alternative being you don't have a town read on anyone). I was basically provoking you into start thinking about townies you can trust. But I know it's extremely hard to work with you're stubborn and have really bad reads. I just hope that you'll be able to figure out what to do if you actually are the ring bearer. And I hope our medics understand that you're a great target tonight too. In any case, it's time to lynch mafia. ##Vote iGrok Up until this point, his comments on IGrok were On September 20 2011 19:05 Palmar wrote: I don't like the smell of iGrok and Kita... On September 20 2011 21:59 Palmar wrote: iGrok's play is so much more passive and less assertive than it was in Ace's game. I'm thinking he's scummery. I'm gonna read the context of his posts better, but just a quick filter and you can see he's not really pushing any ideas, he's just being derp and making one-liners and lists. So he doesn't like IGroks smell, and the rest of his reasoning relies on meta. It doesn't get any better as time passes On September 21 2011 00:31 Palmar wrote: Radfield, I'm looking at iGrok. I haven't gotten overly scummy vibes from anyone else (apart from DrH, but he's dead). Syllogism is... dangerous, he's echoing what Sandroba and I are saying which makes sense if he's town, but he'd do it as scum anyway, because as soon as he disagrees on bad reasoning he's scum. He has made a few good calls though, but I expect him too, both as scum and town. So the rest are probably lurking, or they're people like Jackal whose alignment I simply can't deduce due to him having a meta of being useless/wrong enough as town that I can't figure him out as scum. Thing is, townies like posting more than mafia does, and I have quite a few good town reads. I'm actually reading now, so it'll pick up soon enough. We can only lynch one guy today anyway, and iGrok is a great candidate. Go compare his style this game to his style as town in Ace's game, I'm not talking about content or amount, I'm talking about attitude and context. Notice how everything he uses is purely meta? This in itself is fine, but if you want to use meta, you have to do more than simply mention the word meta. He doesn't prove a comparison of IGrok's current playstyle to this meta, nor does he choose to bring up anything related to IGrok's actions in the current game. I'm not sold on IGrok either, but if this counts as a reason to vote for someone and useful contribution, somethings wrong. ##Unvote ##Vote Palmar | ||
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Drazerk
United Kingdom31255 Posts
On September 21 2011 21:09 syllogism wrote: Reading the thread helps, as apparently you missed the part where he claimed BALROG Mafia was given safe claims it makes no sense for them to use one everyone would instantly believe is scum / third party. | ||
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syllogism
Finland5948 Posts
On September 21 2011 21:15 Drazerk wrote: Mafia was given safe claims it makes no sense for them to use one everyone would instantly believe is scum / third party. So you are saying it makes more sense for town to claim Balrog and lie about everything? | ||
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Drazerk
United Kingdom31255 Posts
On September 21 2011 21:17 syllogism wrote: So you are saying it makes more sense for town to claim Balrog and lie about everything? With the way Townies have been fake claiming this game it would not surprise me one bit. | ||
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prplhz
Denmark8045 Posts
rofl so we should just accept anything from anybody, 'cause people have been acting shit all game long anyway? | ||
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Cyber_Cheese
Australia3615 Posts
On September 21 2011 21:27 prplhz wrote: @drazerk rofl so we should just accept anything from anybody, 'cause people have been acting shit all game long anyway? No, but we shouldn't use it as the only evidence we have. Wherebugsgo nearly died off his senseless Gollum claim, and DocH was pushing his lynch quite hard. I don't want to see that happen again and work as IGrok, Balrog and Palmar respectively. | ||
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