EPTToday's lynch, remember, was mainly on 4 people ([g]ON[/g], [g]kita[/g], Palmar, Chaoser. I don't see how we find scum based on voting or accusations.
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heist
United States720 Posts
Today's lynch, remember, was mainly on 4 people ([g]ON[/g], [g]kita[/g], Palmar, Chaoser. I don't see how we find scum based on voting or accusations. | ||
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heist
United States720 Posts
jcarl, if you want people to trust: Drazerk and Kita are the only ones, and that's only because they roleclaimed. I dont see anyone else wanting to share so ya, not much I can say to you about myself. Today's lynch, remember, was mainly on 4 people (ON, kita, Palmar, Chaoser. I don't see how we find scum based on voting or accusations. | ||
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heist
United States720 Posts
On September 28 2011 11:27 Palmar wrote: thanks god I'm dying tonight. I'm seriously speechless over how bad this town is. I'll take a chunk of the blame. My activity was sporadic and my reads were pretty off. But let's kill Palmar for sure tonight, shall we? | ||
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On September 30 2011 05:00 Cyber_Cheese wrote: There's only been a single majority lynch so far, and all three of the others were late swings in which TranceStorm had a participatory role. He's been taking the votes late, looking to make sure it's safe to climb upon the wagon's and made sure he's voting with the majority to try to avoid suspicion by hiding amongst townies. Late swings in which his vote is unnecessary. Why would he do that unless he believed in the lynch as a townie? | ||
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heist
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Final Vote Count for the Jackal Lynch that saved iGrok day 2: Greymist chaoser Radfield Drazerk raynpelikoneet jcarlsoniv TranceStorm OriginalName I'm almost positive there's at least one more mafia in here. | ||
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heist
United States720 Posts
There's no way we should be focusing on a 3rd party lynch anyways. Go for mafia or go for broke. I'll post my thoughts on TS later. Although, honestly my basis is that at least 2 mafia voted for Jackal day 2. I don't know how reliable that is as a starting point, but I'll look through and see if there's anything more concrete than the stuff on pyo. | ||
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United States720 Posts
On October 01 2011 05:19 Drazerk wrote: Guys does anyone else find it oddly suspicious Mafia would send out a message saying Jcarl is Uglúk when they knew iGrok would probably be lynched the same day? I don't know but it's just giving me a bad feeling at the moment and something I want to look in to tonight / tomorrow It's not like it clears jcarl. It could only make people raise suspicion on jcarl for being singled out. I wouldn't look too much into or else you get caught up in a double psychology loop. | ||
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heist
United States720 Posts
Again, I looked at interactions with confirmed mafia. On September 17 2011 14:36 TranceStorm wrote: Debating about who should get the ring and what each role can or cannot do at the moment is pointless at the current time. However, I do like one of the plans that was proposed by a few people: having the person who successfully passed on the ring claim themselves. This way, we can enable a 'chain' to be made - i.e. the first player can confirm the second player once the second player has passed on the ring themselves. This is all dependent on the assumption that evil players cannot pass the ring themselves which as Radfield pointed out, is probably a true assumption. Given this, however, this plan would probably only be effective for the first few 'passes' and perhaps near the end of the game when town circles become more clear. The risk after the first few days that the person holding the ring is killed, or has the ring stolen (which is a possible role according to the OP) makes the plan ineffective. Therefore, I think that such a plan should work for the first 2 or 3 days to confirm at least one or two people. Any thoughts or ideas about this? I haven't fully fleshed this out yet (i.e. the possibility of fake claims is strong), but its probably a better discussion than the arbitrary finger-pointing going on at the moment. Bad plan. Whatever. Either you are a townie posting your plan with maybe a higher purpose of discussion (which he tries to defend himself as doing when everyone shits on his plan) OR you are mafia trying to slip in a bad plan for town to follow and derail discussion on a ill-formed plan. Null-tell. But what is interesting, is you start off your posts with an automatic belief in Radfield's assumptions. You trust him. Pretty harmless at first but let's look further. On September 17 2011 14:58 TranceStorm wrote: You make a fair point about how Radfield's post was more based upon game mechanics than any actual analysis. However, you follow this up with a summary of some rather obvious conclusions derived from the thread and some generic advice of your own! I would love to see you 'ask people questions' and figure out the intent of their posts as well. Yes, yes "fair point" but then you proceed to soft defend Radfield by attacking chaos' post. On September 22 2011 06:03 TranceStorm wrote: Well that sounds reasonable. I am concerned about how the town is supposed to direct iGrok's night kill when we are divided as is though. Nevertheless, I'll look between Jackal and Palmar now. Is now taking complete guidance from Radfield. His votes are being informed entirely by Radfield. He has moves off iGrok and is ready to switch last minute onto a bandwagon of Radfield's choosing. **As a side note, Radfield I have to applaud you for how well you (mis)led the town. On September 18 2011 01:18 Radfield wrote: This is a bunk vote. Bad plans are pushed all the time, mostly by townies as scum generally have very little motivation to push a bad plan. Bad plans need refinement, not votes. Fact is, if the player who has the ring DOES pass it, he should likely claim. Either he is counterclaimed later when frodo/bilbo actually passes it, or he is confirmed. It doesn't help us immensely, but it certainly doesn't hinder. Radfield returns the favor defending TranceStorm. No one look at Trancestorm, he's just a bad townie with a bad plan. On September 17 2011 15:27 TranceStorm wrote: @DrH. Fine, those are valid points. I didn't fully flesh out my plan as well as I imagined it would be and underestimated the risks. But, wouldn't it be a good idea to set the rule that if a player does ever pass on the ring, they reveal its powers? We already know that everyone wants the ring (both town and non-town) so I think it would be beneficial to town discussion to know the ring powers. (if they don't change like you fear they might). Many people criticize his plan. Trancestorm makes an effort to address everything thrown at him and when it seems like he's failing to convince people he adds the customary "at least I'm generating discussion which is TOWN". But to DrH, it's simply: You're right. I made a bad plan and you, and only you, get the credit for correcting me. Good job. Only DrH gets him to see the error of his plan when other people have already chimed in with what is essentially the same arguments. On September 19 2011 04:25 TranceStorm wrote: You made a long analysis to justify why you voted for Dr. H. Then you changed to Jackal (after he had already received a couple of votes) saying that you wanted to pressure him. There is still no justification at all for you vote. Considering that you had already shown that you were willing to give analysis on other people, I find your vote super suspicious hence my vote. Now you say that it's too late for you to move your vote. You still haven't justified your vote at all, and are basically admitting that you didn't have one in the first place. End of the day, he votes for the candidate who makes an analysis attacking DrH. ----- Now what else do we have: - The late bandwagons and his voting patterns. - Really anti-iGrok, but who wasn't? (oh yeah me). Attacking cyber_cheese primarily for his votes and for defending iGrok. Rayn is right. This little interaction between the two of them is a little weird. I have no idea what to make of it but at best, only one of the town is mafia. Am I entirely convinced? Not completely. Radfield did a really good job of getting townies to do what he wanted. ON had many of the same mistakes and he flipped town. The late bandwagons are iffy at best as tells for alignment, and Cyber and TS can just be two townies who can't stop tunneling each other. TS was simply the better alternative to Cyber at the time. | ||
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heist
United States720 Posts
On October 01 2011 06:14 Pyo wrote: scum team: heist, chaoser, kitaman stop being deliberately useless | ||
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United States720 Posts
On October 01 2011 06:15 Pyo wrote: ##unvote ##vote: chaoser What the hell is this? Chaoser has killed a mafia member. Chaoser is not mafia. We are trying to lynch mafia. Mafia, mafia, mafia. Put your vote to better use. | ||
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United States720 Posts
On October 01 2011 06:48 TranceStorm wrote: @heist - You say that my interaction with Radfield was a respectful one. That's true, but go back and read through his posts once again - they are quite sensible and logical in their argumentation. I like many other players, was misled by him. No one really put up a fight against his arguments at all during the hours before each lynch (it was only after the lynch that people started saying 'Obviously he wasn't mafia'). Furthermore, think for a moment where my votes came in on both of the those lynches. They both came in at times when the person who I voted for had a large chance of being lynched. If I truly was mafia, wouldn't I have simply said "I don't feel comfortable about this lynch" and voted for another candidate to appear safer? Why would I knowingly vote for the townie candidate in both days 1 and 2 when people had already pointed out the suspicion revolving around my plan? I admit both of these things in my conclusion. At this point it's a matter of weighing in everything against pyo or cyber. | ||
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heist
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Are we sure of this? | ||
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heist
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I don't think it's TS. That leaves it to GGQ and cyber. My vote goes to cyber. | ||
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heist
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Mig I wish you the best in all your endeavors. | ||
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