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On September 22 2011 10:07 chaoser wrote:
woah woah woah, where did GGQ come from? You never/barely talk about him and all of a sudden you're calling a hit on him?
Partly to see GGQs reaction, but mostly because not everything this game has been going on in thread, as you should be able to tell by the role list so far. There is also no reason to lay out all my reads during the day, as that just clutters and muddies the waters.
Fact is, if iGrok is actually third party, then GGQ is most definitely scum. Consider GGQ's contributions this game: Other than cast suspicion on iGrok, he has done nothing but theorycraft and post neutrally. If iGrok is third party and not mafia, which is most likely the case, then GGQ loses his one saving grace(which was medium pressure on potential scum).
GGQ went two days without posting and has a total of 4 posts on day 2. The sum total content from those 4 posts is this:
iGrok has done nothing to alleviate my suspicions and remains my #1 scum read. I can't find anyone who seems directly connected to him, except perhaps archon for a chainsaw vote on me after I voted igrok
and this:
As for jackal, I find him suspicious in a "I have no reason to think you are town" way, but I find iGrok suspicious in a "I have reason to think you are scum" way. Besides which, I know jackal has the potential to be valuable in a late game situation, where I don't know the same about iGrok.
If you thought iGrok was so scummy why weren't you pushing him? You pop in, give your opinion, and make no effort do discuss or sway the lynch one way or the other. Read GGQs filter, it won't take long I promise.
Exact same thing happened on Day 1, a bunch of posts, obviously around, yet apprx 1 paragraph worth of content.
On September 22 2011 11:14 GGQ wrote:
^a question I'm also interested in
On September 22 2011 11:17 GGQ wrote:
Also, please review what happened in the last 12 hours or so. This is what's known as a last minute bw. It is bad. Congratulations, you've learned something about playing mafia!
You're obviously around, you're popping in the thread to "defend" yourself, but you still refrain from posting anything useful. Who are you're scum reads, who are you're town reads? You're supposed to be decent yet if you disappeared from this game no one would notice. You need to step it up or die.
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On September 22 2011 13:13 Pyo wrote:
radfield is scum...
Make a case and do some work. You think I'm scum, spell it out then. Filter me, find the scum motivations behind my posting, don't sit back and sling mud. Since your kneejerk scumslip OMGUS on me you have done nothing. You put your vote down on me, and contributed ZERO to the discussion today: You didn't even mention iGrok or Jackal, despite me specifically asking your opinion on them both. The only thing you had to say about Palmar is to write a paragraph explaining why he was a null read, which was just sheeping EXACTLY what i had written several hours earlier.
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On September 22 2011 10:22 chaoser wrote:Show nested quote +On September 22 2011 09:57 Radfield wrote:
blech.
iGrok, you're shooting GGQ tonight.
Curu, can an unblockable kill be stopped via roleblock?
please say no... Don't listen to this iGrok.
You're right in a way. I'm jumping the gun on GGQ since iGrok very well could still be scum. If that's the case then presumably he actually has done something this game. Not to mention this kind of dictation does nothing for the town. Best way to play this is to treat it as a double lynch: We vote on who we think the best target for the night kill is. This gets everyone down on paper, and encourages discussion during the night:
##Nightkill: Pyo
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On September 22 2011 15:41 syllogism wrote:
The answer is likely "no one" and I've no reason to answer the question given that I've no idea what you are going to do with this information. If you are miraculously a third party who isn't SK and truly wanted to help town, you wouldn't need me to answer that question. You said I don't have good judgment and then ask me to make such a decision for you? If the intention is to have this other person to unilaterally decide for you whom to shoot with your alleged ability, clearly you don't want to take responsibility if the target flips town.
Then lets assume your opinion is one among many. Who should he use his nightkill on?
On September 22 2011 14:07 syllogism wrote:
That's not the only argument, the role itself doesn't make sense. Neutral survivors don't have to kill townies to win and he doesn't even have to do that personally, making it even more nonsensical. Why does his role allegedly tell what happens if gets the ring when the ring has nothing to do with his role, he has no means of obtaining it besides his one shot which is supposed to be used on gandalf? Why didn't Sauron's role description say what happens if he gets the ring, when he even has an ability that allows him to search for it?
You are dead set on scum-hunting via flavor and roles. Last game I played I was a PGO Veteran in a 12-player game. It was so ludicrous that I was practically pegged as scum for that alone. You were in that game and should remember. Scum hunt properly.
On September 22 2011 11:58 sandroba wrote:
Okay got info from the host himself. Town win con is to eliminte all evil and that includes ALL third party. iGrok's claim is impossible.
Sandro, I know for a fact that you have good reads this game, and that you are very very likely town, yet you have almost no thread presence. Assuming iGrok is third party, and assuming a roleblock won't stop the unblockable kill(still haven't anwered this curu), then who should we be hitting.
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On September 22 2011 19:49 Palmar wrote:Show nested quote +On September 22 2011 19:39 Cyber_Cheese wrote:On September 22 2011 19:10 supersoft wrote:
yes well, sorry for not voting, i was so tired and i slept in. i didnt want to vote for jackal. therefore i tried to find a better target. palmar what do you think about radfield. i think he controlled the town day1/2 and lead us nowhere. jackal really was a bad lynch. lynching him this early in the game when he had no time to do something and scum had no time to shoot him isn't optimal. When presented with the choice, he chose jackal for whatever reason,and then all those people figured they could follow his lead. While you should remember that Jackal didn't look innocent, the case was better on Palmar than it was on Jackal, I suspect him and/or several of the people that moved to Jackal are scum. These people were on both Errandor and Jackal's wagons at days end, and in my opinion are therefore people we should be wary of: -Radfield -kitaman27 -OriginalName -TranceStorm -Drazerk You are the master of terrible logic.
Your play reminds me so much of scum Ace I don't even know what to say. You're like mini-Ace.
Who should we kill tonight.
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On September 22 2011 23:45 Curu wrote:
An unblockable kill can be roleblocked (ironically enough). It will go through all protections except those that cause the action to never be carried out in the first place.
Major fuck up by me 
Sorry Sandro, I didn't get what you were saying until I got back. Why did no one listen to this:
+ Show Spoiler +On September 22 2011 06:51 sandroba wrote:
Man here is the deal. Let's assume igrok is telling the truth. We don't lynch him and we tell him to shoot X person tonight. Obviously if that person is mafia he will be roleblocked. If the person is town they will either let the shot go through or roleblock him and create a fucking mess and possibly waste more lynches. He can withold his shot indefinitely and claim rb. He can claim he found saruman at any time and possibly make us mislynch. We can't deal with him later in the game close to lylo. So even if he is actually telling the truth I don't see how we can trust this and trust he won't do pro-mafia actions. There is currently 7 townies and 1 mafia dead, so I know who I would side with if I was what he claims to be. Mafia is never going to get rid of him for us. We can either lynch him now or have a copy of this day at a later date, so I don't think we have much of a choice besides lynching him now.
Or ask if an unblockable kill could be roleblocked....
Obviously we're not picking a specific target, which means that we either give iGrok a range of several targets, or have him not shoot at all. At this point it makes far more sense to have him not shoot at all. If he is mafia, a range of targets is exactly what he wants, as he just picks the townie out of the mix. If he is mafia and told not to shoot, then we at least have some tools available if there are too many night kills. Also, if he is told not to shoot and still shoots, he runs the risk being tracked to a target. Thoughts?
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No matter what happens, iGrok needs to be dealt with. Unless the scum roleblocker miraculously dies tonight, he is no use at all. He should not be shooting tonight(assuming he actually is third party), but if he does and does not hit mafia he needs to die immediately. At any rate he needs to be dealt with eventually and cannot be allowed to go to endgame.
Normally I have a hat full of town reads, a few scum reads and a bunch of nulls at this point. However basically the whole town could be scum this game, likely due to the fact that a ton of players are coasting. just over the modkill line. All scummies are not created equal however.
Town
Prp is obviously Town
Sandro is Town
Syllo is either Town or third party, no way he's scum as he would have saved the dayvig shot.
Prob Town
JCarl
Rayn
Greymist
Drazerk is likely town and likely medic, as his breadcrumbs have been superb if he is scum.
Pyo and GGQ are super scummy. Kitaman as well. ON and Palmar both need to step it up and actually contribute or they are likely scum. Cyber's play is fairly bad(if hesmyrr's game is any judge), but at this point I think there is a good chance he's red.
Very good chance Chaoser is third party or scum. If he's not then syllo likely is(but I don't see third party having a dayvig). There is way to much townside defense right now: Jailer, Medic(?), plus two vets. It's possible those are all in the game, but not probable. Makes more sense for there to be a scum medic or a SK in the game.
A bunch of scum are inside those 7 players. Very few if any are inside the top 7.
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On October 01 2011 10:52 kitaman27 wrote:
I say we resurrect him and then modkill just for fun.
hahah
oh rayn, you had potential
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You need to use separate browsers chaoser  Chrome for one, Opera for another, etc.
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GG all! Thanks to Curu and Mig for putting on the game, super well run guys. I had tons of fun as mafia this game, most fun I've had as a mafioso
Curu, I think you handled the modkills very well. That was a tricky situation, and I think you found a good solution.
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On October 11 2011 09:39 redFF wrote:
yeah guyz i knew who all the scum were the whole time but died before i could tell you omg zzz
Me too. Errandor, Jackal, Pyo, Palmar, iGrok, Drazerk scumteam for sure.
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