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On September 20 2011 09:44 DoctorHelvetica wrote: We get it. You're not the mod and posts like this are just BS attempts to appear helpful and pro town. I don't trust you. I have made plenty of posts which are helpful and pro-town. Never would I claim this is one of them. That post was made with a mindset outside the frame of the current game. Plenty of players get frustrated/ragequit while forgetting that there are a bunch of players trying to post stupid/aggressive/distracting/etc posts. Good manners in games is important to me. The internet can be an unfriendly place, as can TL, but in the mafia forum we try to play as friends. Anyways, glad to hear you're suspicious of me. What are your reads now that WBG is dead? | ||
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On September 20 2011 10:01 sandroba wrote: @radfield If you had to choose amongst the players I listed one to be lynched who would you choose and why. I'm off to bed Sandro and don't have the mental stamina to go through them all thoroughly. I'll give you a brief run down though: Palmar will either start contributing or not. At this point he's basically inactive which is wildly out of his typical behaviour(whether scum OR town). His activity lvl is a null tell for me, but there are currently zero redeeming qualities from his posting. Not a particularly good lynch at the moment because of his activity level. iGrok is scummy and would make a good lynch. Terrible voting, terrible reasons for voting, no lynch contributions. He also ignored my request for his reads and instead accused me of tunneling him. GGQ is basically inactive as well. His posting is lacking but nothing jumps out at me. Similar boat to Palmar. My thoughts on Jackal are above. White noise at first but is getting scummier as we go. Better lynch than most of the others. At first I thought jeejee was just trying to look scummy to not draw a hit. However it appears he actually was inactive. Jeejee is good though, so if he doesn't produce today he should die. Please start talking Jeejee. ON is also scummy and would make a good lynch. In fact, a quick glance through his posts moves him up to great lynch territory. Bad FoS on Navillus, lots of chippy posts, bad vote on prp then a bad swing to erandor for his edit. Frankly the bad swing helps him in my mind a bit given that mafia had no need to swing from prp to erandorr. What are your reads on syllo, and chaos13? They fit more into what I'm looking for. Posting with little contribution, not to mention all both are vets as well. | ||
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Of those six I would lynch jackal, iGrok or ON most likely. Probably in that order. If you could do it right now is Palmar really you're pick to lynch of those 6? | ||
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On September 20 2011 23:40 syllogism wrote: I agree with sandroba's list though, so that's definitely where my focus will be. What are your actual thoughts on Sandro's list. Who is top among those 5/6 players | ||
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Basically Doc H called out every single easy target possible on Day 1: Greymist, Drazerk, Trancestorm, Vain, Rayn, supersoft, etc. However, some of these stick out and some of them don't. Scum will always mix in a few mafia with their suspicions. Drazerk is different though. DocH ties himself to Drazerk during the WBG push, which is what mafia like to do. He begins by calling him scummy, but then treats him like a townie right after that. This gives me slightly more faith in Drazerk, but his filter is absolutely terrible. If you're town Drazerk, please step it up. This is his main post about suspicions: On September 19 2011 11:38 DoctorHelvetica wrote: I think if Jackal was mafia he'd be more careful about the rules. I really doubt prplhz is mafia, wishy washy townie who jumped to some really bad conclusions about what I was saying. He misunderstood me. and yes, I'm dialing down my activity level in this game. I spam too much. I second guess myself too much. I think the fact that I didn't change my vote around 100 times and say every little thing on my mind is better play but I guess it comes off as a lot different from how I normally play. I read Vers guide like twice before this game. Wiggles has a good DT checklist although Palmar/jeejee definitely warrant a check. Both have been well under expected activity levels and I think it was JeeJee who made the rather cryptic posts about shadows. Odd behavior. Medics should go for the big veteran townie targets as usual. Myself, Radfield, JeeJee, Mr.Wiggles I would venture are the biggest targets. But really, you should use your own discretion. Medic - pick the experienced player you think is most likely town DT - pick the player you think is most likely scum. Main thing that jumps out at me is Jeejee. He both warrants a dt check, and also warrants medic protection. This is after never mentioning him before. Regardless of prior meta, you never medic protect someone who is not contributing. DocH knows this. Jeejee, you still have done nothing this game, please step it up. Assuming Jackal does not get lynched, who are you voting? | ||
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GGQ, Vain, ON, Heist, Pyo: All of you need to ramp it up. Between Jackal, iGrok and Palmar, where would you place your vote? | ||
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On September 21 2011 03:54 syllogism wrote: Well this is interesting I just got shot, as in a day vig hit me On September 21 2011 04:20 syllogism wrote: I don't quite understand why I would be scum day vig target over, say, radfield. Any thoughts radfield? You're a terrible target for scum. Lets assume you are telling the truth though and just got hit. This means you have some kind of night life(lives) as obviously you weren't medic protted. Day Vig kills have to be placed in thread, as do bombers, nukers, kingmakers, etc. I have never heard of a role that can kill a player during the day anonymously. The only possibility left is that you were targetted with some kind of delayed KP, like a Hooker or something, but that doesn't fit. Looking at the list of roles from PYPI(which is basically everything) I don't see anything that resembles an anonymous day kill. Options: 1. Scum shot you. Not likely as you are an awful target and scum don't get free kills. An untrackable, unwatchable, no accountability kill does not make for a fun mafia game. 2. Town shot you. More likely than scum, and far more likely balance wise. Giving a townie a free anonymous shot is far more balanced than giving scum one. I don't see why you would be hit though as you're not on the short list for scum. Terrible play if a townie shot, and no one claimed it(they would have presumably been around for the flip). 3. You're lying. This seems more likely than either of the other two scenarios. However, your claim is nonsensical and does nothing but cast suspicion on you. Some players(cough Palmar cough) make claims like that, you don't seem the sort. 4. Some role I've never heard is in the game. Only two of these options make sense: You are lying or there is another role. Yet neither of those make enough sense right now. I'm setting this aside for now, someone else pick it up if they want to. + Show Spoiler [ Pyo's post] + On September 21 2011 03:55 Pyo wrote: you aren't the boss of me... I don't like the fact that you're telling me that I have to vote for one of those 3. You followed/led the lynch of Erandorr and no one really gave you any shit for it. In fact you tried to spin WBG and errador both flipping town as an indicator of your townness: I mean the other 2 lynch targets you were trying to distract from were both either killed or attempted to be killed which means scum wanted everyone to see them flip. This seems a little too convenient to me... The analysis of you independent of this fact isn't great either: You started with a day 1 policy post, wherein you say, "Step 3, avoid lynching an easy target," but then proceed to push for the Erandorr lynch... if there was ever an "easier" target than a guy who edits a post then lies about it, I haven't seen it. Then you engage DrH about confirmed townies (link) which just screams contrived nonsensical conversation to me... Confirmed townies are NOT "a voice that every town player can trust to be legit." Townies can be wrong and scum are more than happy to help propagate incorrect statements by trusted town - not to mention what happens when a scum gets on people's confirmed town list. Now you're basically leading the charge against Jackal and iGrok while calling out Drazerk, Palmar and ON as also being likely scum... So either you're some super brilliant player (except that you were totally off with Erandorr) or you're happily sheeping town around. It really doesn't sit well with me. At this point I'm more inclined to vote for you than any of the 3 you suggest (jackal, igrok, palmar). ##vote: radfield I'm mildly confident in saying that's the biggest kneejerk/OMGUS i've seen. I asked you a simple question, and not only did you not answer it, but you've come up with an intensely manufactured case. If anyone actually wants me to defend myself here I will, but I'd much rather lynch scum. And I think you're scum Pyo. Lets take a walk down Pyo lane. I honestly don't know how you made it this far. ***After tossing suspicion on a few players, we go straight to a vote post: At this point I'm gonna vote for wherebugsgo. I feel like 3rd parties tend to be more harmful to town than scum and at the very least he hasn't been particularly pro-town. Throw on top of that the potential that he's full of shit or that we might learn something about the game set-up/mechanics, I'm perfectly happy to see him flip. ##vote wherebugsgo *voting for a third party instead of scum, check *might learn about game set up/mechanics, check *Proceed to tunnel WBG and never comment on the other lynches, check ***The rest of your posts, almost literally the rest of your posts have consisted in cutting down other players: Jackal, OriginalName, Archon, Cyber_Cheese, Radfield, iGrok. But that's it, cutting down, arguing, but never contributing or actually casting suspicion. This is the closest you have come to calling somone out: + Show Spoiler + On September 20 2011 17:27 Pyo wrote: man, I look away from the thread for about a couple hours and this crazy shit happens...anyway, what an incredibly scummy thing to say... Yet when I give you an opportunity to actually weigh in on him you OMGUS me instead. You also state that: The people I find most suspicious aren't the guys running around like village idiots (archon_toilet/Drazerk), it's the guys calling them guys scum. Yet never actually mention who these suspicious players are. ***You're only large post consists of almost no content. Talking about null reads, dead players and softballing suspicion on me. I think you are scum. However I'm willing to accept that I'm biased since you're attacking me. If Pyo is not scum, can someone please weigh in on what I'm missing. | ||
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Alright guys, well you've heard me out. Give me the ring, and I'll start working a hell of a lot harder this game, hunt down Saruman, and give a DT an unblockable shot. Otherwise, I'll basically keep doing what I've done so far. Your move. How bout no. Your claim seems like so much bullshit, yet I see very little motivation for your claim from a mafia perspective. Your claim buys you maximum 1 day if you are scum. Here's what's going to happen: You're not going to get the ring, and you're not going to wait for a dt check. You are going to shoot a target of our choosing tonight, and that target is going to flip with your fancy flavor text. In the event that doesn't happen you are going to get auto-lynched the next day, end of story. If you want to contribute or not, I could care less. Frankly at this point you're just a distraction. You are either mafia shitting things up, and will be confirmed scum tomorrow, or your third party shitting things up and will deliver us a kill. ______________ I'll have more time later on today, but need either Jackal or Pyo to get lynched today. + Show Spoiler + On September 18 2011 21:08 Jackal58 wrote: I'm just gonna watch this thing grow. Syllogism is right about my activity in this game. Up to this point though I have had little to nothing to say. Most of you insist upon going back and creating scenarios for the mechanics of the game. I have had no desire to comment on your speculations. He's wrong about my alignment though. But that's ok. It's getting late in the day and votes are scattered all over. Will be interesting to see who all wants to jump all over me. Won't it Heist? On September 18 2011 21:25 Jackal58 wrote: My vote is going on Bugs. Having played a couple of games with him now I know he is aggressive as town. He has not trolled any games to this point. His activity level is the same but his style is different. I don't believe he is mafia but I do believe he is 3rd party with a separate win condition from town. Right now I see two options for him. Lynch him or give him the ring and see what happens. If he and the ring leave the game that is probably not a bad thing. If we lynch him and the ring stays in the game that's probably not quite as optimal but still not a bad thing. Worse case scenario is they are both still here tomorrow. If you have the ring give it to Bugs. I can't believe that will end the game. The ring is inherently evil anyways. Other than Bugs the only person that has struck me as off is Heist. I'm more sure of Bugs not being town than I am of Heist being scum so Bugs is getting my vote. I cannot reconcile these two statements with a town player. First statement makes an excuse for inactivity in that you don't want to "create scenarios for the mechanics". The second statement, and your reason for voting are based on creating scenarios for the ring mechanic. Add to this that you have refused to weigh in on the major lynch candidates, and have no real scum reads other than heist(who's obviously not getting lynched anytime soon). You have zero contributions this game other than a poor analysis on heist(who you've been poking since day 1). Are you really trying to claim that your only read this entire game is Heist? Jackal and Pyo are both very likely scum, iGrok as well but he will confirm his own alignment(via his night kill) for us. We lynch Jackal first as that narrows down our list of vets. Presumably some of me, chaoser, sandro, syllo, palmar, ON will die tonight which will leave several players out in the open. ##Vote Jackal | ||
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On September 21 2011 20:17 syllogism wrote: But does Balrog the SK make sense to you? Balrog the mafia seems more realistic and I don't know why he would voluntarily claim balrog instead of his real role (that is, he would then be SK with a more fitting character). He was going to get lynched unless his claim was very good and if this claim buys him that one day, it's a success. He could have a vital scum role that he can use tonight, though I'm not sure how I could reconcile that with him surviving a shot. The problem is there is no impetus for scum to claim third party. Why not just claim town power role, as that is far easier to pull off. Not to mention that towns absolutely LOVE piling on a confirmed third party. Buying himself an extra day is possible, but if that's his strategy then this is a terrible way to do it. Here's the thing, if iGrok was confirmed Third Party, we would absolutely NOT be lynching him. Thing is, this is a totally bullshit claim, and nothing stacks up in that claim. One thing is for certain, iGrok is certainly not town as no townie would ever make that claim. If no one is willing to back me on Jackal(or Pyo) then we should bring the hammer down on iGrok. | ||
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First off the terrible claim: There is zero motivation for mafia to make a claim like this. Contradictory, bullshit wincon, doesn't fit the rest of the facts of the game. Despite recent games, mafia almost always tend to play to their best strat, and a third party claim makes no sense. iGrok's claim makes him MORE likely to get lynched today, when he was under very little pressure. There is no way that a whole scum team vetted that claim, especially not with a whole team full of safe-claims to use. Drazerk's claim is equally strange. If iGrok IS scum, I see no reason for Drazerk to go to the wall for him, as iGrok is dead tomorrow at the latest if he is scum. Frankly Drazerk's claim seems legit given his breadcrumbing, despite the fact that medic protecting iGrok is terrible. It also fits with iGroks reaction to being hit. I think it highly likely that iGrok is a third party with either a 'get the ring wincon' or an assassin type role. The whole "give me the ring and i'm bulletproof" seems completely out of line with the rest of the claim. It makes no sense for a survivor to have a condition like this, as presumably they could be done and won long before the game is over, yet still kicking around the game. That makes no sense. Conversely If iGrok is an assassin it obviously makes sense he would not claim assassin and would instead claim some other role. If iGrok is scum, then he'll be confirmed scum by tomorrow and we lynch him then. If there are third party assassins in the game then iGrok will be dead by the morning. If his wincon is getting the ring then he's harmless. Lynching iGrok today does nothing to help us. _______________________ On September 22 2011 01:30 Jackal58 wrote: Why am I scum again? You're not answering me. Why are you not answering me? I posted the reasons why I think you're scum, I'll post them again here for you, and add to it: Since start of Day 2 you have exactly 1 post with more than 3 lines. You have no scum reads, you have no town reads. There is no way you are not scum. For emphasis(and because i forgot to actually vote last time): ##Vote Jackal58 + Show Spoiler + On September 21 2011 20:11 Radfield wrote: How bout no. Your claim seems like so much bullshit, yet I see very little motivation for your claim from a mafia perspective. Your claim buys you maximum 1 day if you are scum. Here's what's going to happen: You're not going to get the ring, and you're not going to wait for a dt check. You are going to shoot a target of our choosing tonight, and that target is going to flip with your fancy flavor text. In the event that doesn't happen you are going to get auto-lynched the next day, end of story. If you want to contribute or not, I could care less. Frankly at this point you're just a distraction. You are either mafia shitting things up, and will be confirmed scum tomorrow, or your third party shitting things up and will deliver us a kill. ______________ I'll have more time later on today, but need either Jackal or Pyo to get lynched today. + Show Spoiler + On September 18 2011 21:08 Jackal58 wrote: I'm just gonna watch this thing grow. Syllogism is right about my activity in this game. Up to this point though I have had little to nothing to say. Most of you insist upon going back and creating scenarios for the mechanics of the game. I have had no desire to comment on your speculations. He's wrong about my alignment though. But that's ok. It's getting late in the day and votes are scattered all over. Will be interesting to see who all wants to jump all over me. Won't it Heist? On September 18 2011 21:25 Jackal58 wrote: My vote is going on Bugs. Having played a couple of games with him now I know he is aggressive as town. He has not trolled any games to this point. His activity level is the same but his style is different. I don't believe he is mafia but I do believe he is 3rd party with a separate win condition from town. Right now I see two options for him. Lynch him or give him the ring and see what happens. If he and the ring leave the game that is probably not a bad thing. If we lynch him and the ring stays in the game that's probably not quite as optimal but still not a bad thing. Worse case scenario is they are both still here tomorrow. If you have the ring give it to Bugs. I can't believe that will end the game. The ring is inherently evil anyways. Other than Bugs the only person that has struck me as off is Heist. I'm more sure of Bugs not being town than I am of Heist being scum so Bugs is getting my vote. I cannot reconcile these two statements with a town player. First statement makes an excuse for inactivity in that you don't want to "create scenarios for the mechanics". The second statement, and your reason for voting are based on creating scenarios for the ring mechanic. Add to this that you have refused to weigh in on the major lynch candidates, and have no real scum reads other than heist(who's obviously not getting lynched anytime soon). You have zero contributions this game other than a poor analysis on heist(who you've been poking since day 1). Are you really trying to claim that your only read this entire game is Heist? Jackal and Pyo are both very likely scum, iGrok as well but he will confirm his own alignment(via his night kill) for us. We lynch Jackal first as that narrows down our list of vets. Presumably some of me, chaoser, sandro, syllo, palmar, ON will die tonight which will leave several players out in the open. ##Vote Jackal | ||
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On September 22 2011 04:53 raynpelikoneet wrote: You are kinda right there, but as i see it, i'd give iGrok 0% chance of flipping town, 80% 3rd party, and 20% mafia. That's the best case i got, and i dont think i can come up with anything better until final votecount. That's why iGrok needs to come back from the shadows and try to say at least something, becouse every second i'm more convinced that he is actually mafia and about to earn a free pass for many days. Spending a lynch on a third party is awful town play. Options: a) survivor: harmless b) Assassin: dead by morning c) Serial Killer: Needs to kill scum at this point d) Ringgrabber: harmless e)Scum: dead come tomorrow Lynching iGrok is a poor play. Jackal is a far better lynch today, and we need to consolidate on him. Pyo/Palmar are decent lynches but we can't split 3 ways as that lets mafia lead the lynch. | ||
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On September 22 2011 05:29 TranceStorm wrote: How do we will he be confirmed scum? If he is scum he needs to follow through with the shot we direct in order to stay clean for tomorrow. If he does not, then he gets lynched. If he claims he was 'roleblocked' then he gets lynched. If for any reason his target does not die, he gets lynched. If the target we choose is a townie, and scum kill him, AND his flavour comes up with 'consumed by shadow and flame etc" then so be it, as we are successfully directing scum's targets. If scum want to act as a double lynch for us, so much the better. If anyone else ever dies by the same flavour, or if the KP isn't matching up, we lynch him. It's like in PYP1/2 when scum got the compvig. IT DOESN"T MATTER AS LONG AS WE ARE DIRECTING THE SHOTS. | ||
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On September 22 2011 05:51 iGrok wrote: I'm awake now, and I've calmed down a bit. First: Palmar, you try to meta me from a game I was BLUE. Dumb. Now, some of you don't get why I claimed. So look at it from my perspective. You have a check. You have a oneshot unblockable kill. If you get the ring, you become bulletproof. If you get the ring, you're fucking set, and you become a town-aligned Bullet-Proof Vigilante with a bonus check. I doubt mafia have a SECOND unblockable shot, it died with Sauron. Which means I really am unkillable by mafia, which makes me town-aligned. I'll prove it. I'm not listening to syllogism or Palmar. However, syllogism, who do you think is the most town - I'll let them pick. Fair compromise? This is so similar to the Protactinium situation chaoser - but its better for town, and thats why I thought it would work this time. There's no way you're telling the whole truth about your role. Absolutely no way. Your wincon makes no sense, as it's far too easy for you achieve victory. The rest I can buy, but there is no way you are getting the ring. If you are an Assassin, you are dead tonight. I hope you realize that. | ||
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You're a waste of a dt check at this point. | ||
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On September 22 2011 06:06 OriginalName wrote: Im down for lynching one of those two but I havent decided which one I want to move to yet. I still think Pyo is a decent lynch but I agree that vote spreading can be detremental at this point. Radfield purely out of curiousity why Jackal over Palmar? I'm more sure of Jackal than Palmar. Jackal has done nothing this game but antagonize and cut players down, yet has no reads at all of those people. Palmar is on the short list, but I see no reason to put a bunch of reads out and let mafia cherry pick the lynch. | ||
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iGrok, you're shooting GGQ tonight. Curu, can an unblockable kill be stopped via roleblock? please say no... | ||
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