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Radfield
Profile Joined September 2009
Canada2720 Posts
September 18 2011 19:48 GMT
#510
Errandor is a fantastic Day 1 vote. Lets break down what we're looking for:

1. Low-Mid range activity
2. Vote Contradictions
3. Paragraphy vote posts with BS reasoning
4. 'Contribution' posts that say nothing

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Lol I think Wbg is just trying to be palmar right now (which is a pretty fucking stupid idea)

If there are post restrictions I would be really surprised because Curu really hates those things . But then he might just take it out on us or do it for some sort of balance reasons so its pure speculation.


First post details that WBG is probably just trolling, and while stupid, isn't really worth much attention. Frankly I agree, but whoops with his second real post Errandor is now willing to vote out WBG:

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I want Wbg out of this.
If he is town aligned then hes just shitting up the thread and then doing some analysis which doesnt help us because we have to spend so much time dealing with all his other crap. If he is anything else we want him dead anyway so I am totally cool with that.
And I really cant imagine that he has a post restriction that makes him post like a complete idiot half of the time .
## Vote Wbg


We've gone from WBG trolling to now being worthy of getting lynched day 1. This is the most BS post in the thread right now. First we have the contradiction. Second we have the justification that even if he is town, he's worth getting rid of. NOPE. I realize that's not precisely what's been written, but that is absolutely the intent. Third, this is a complete and utter bandwagon. WBG picks up a couple votes, and Erandorr slides into the scene. Fourth you add in a bit of extra post restriction business which does nothing but cut him down. This is not why we vote! This entire post is showing that Errandor justification for voting WBG is not in fact that he's scum, but rather a bad townie who deserves to die.

An hour and a half later, Errandor posts this:

"Okay I read the whole thread now."

Whoops scum slip. Why are you voting for a player AND THEN reading the thread? Not how townies play.

This is all followed by a bunch more suspicion on WBG, but no actual points against him:

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I forgot to vote earlier but lets just get wbg out of the game, I feel really uncomfortably by what he was doing.


The reason I want you out is that you clearly have an agenda other than catching scum. That just makes me uncomfortable.


You now seem to start contributing, but still will not tell us why you behave the way you do. you dont ask for the ring in every post, so its clearly not that, and just trolled at the start and messed up the thread. I agree with most of your targets, actually, but could you just go back to xliv and compare your behaviour now to that of palmar and then remember how that turned out?


To paraphrase: "You're actually playing good now, but you trolled before. You're targets are all good, but your behaviour is bad"

It's hard to justify killing townies when you're scum isn't it?

Errandor is very scummy, and likely the best vote we'll get:

##Vote: Erandorr
Radfield
Profile Joined September 2009
Canada2720 Posts
September 18 2011 19:54 GMT
#511
ON what do you think of Erandorr?
Radfield
Profile Joined September 2009
Canada2720 Posts
September 18 2011 20:29 GMT
#528
On September 19 2011 05:05 Vain wrote:
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On September 19 2011 04:48 Radfield wrote:
Errandor is a fantastic Day 1 vote. Lets break down what we're looking for:

1. Low-Mid range activity
2. Vote Contradictions
3. Paragraphy vote posts with BS reasoning
4. 'Contribution' posts that say nothing

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Lol I think Wbg is just trying to be palmar right now (which is a pretty fucking stupid idea)

If there are post restrictions I would be really surprised because Curu really hates those things . But then he might just take it out on us or do it for some sort of balance reasons so its pure speculation.


First post details that WBG is probably just trolling, and while stupid, isn't really worth much attention. Frankly I agree, but whoops with his second real post Errandor is now willing to vote out WBG:

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I want Wbg out of this.
If he is town aligned then hes just shitting up the thread and then doing some analysis which doesnt help us because we have to spend so much time dealing with all his other crap. If he is anything else we want him dead anyway so I am totally cool with that.
And I really cant imagine that he has a post restriction that makes him post like a complete idiot half of the time .
## Vote Wbg


We've gone from WBG trolling to now being worthy of getting lynched day 1. This is the most BS post in the thread right now. First we have the contradiction. Second we have the justification that even if he is town, he's worth getting rid of. NOPE. I realize that's not precisely what's been written, but that is absolutely the intent. Third, this is a complete and utter bandwagon. WBG picks up a couple votes, and Erandorr slides into the scene. Fourth you add in a bit of extra post restriction business which does nothing but cut him down. This is not why we vote! This entire post is showing that Errandor justification for voting WBG is not in fact that he's scum, but rather a bad townie who deserves to die.

An hour and a half later, Errandor posts this:

"Okay I read the whole thread now."

Whoops scum slip. Why are you voting for a player AND THEN reading the thread? Not how townies play.

This is all followed by a bunch more suspicion on WBG, but no actual points against him:

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I forgot to vote earlier but lets just get wbg out of the game, I feel really uncomfortably by what he was doing.


The reason I want you out is that you clearly have an agenda other than catching scum. That just makes me uncomfortable.


You now seem to start contributing, but still will not tell us why you behave the way you do. you dont ask for the ring in every post, so its clearly not that, and just trolled at the start and messed up the thread. I agree with most of your targets, actually, but could you just go back to xliv and compare your behaviour now to that of palmar and then remember how that turned out?


To paraphrase: "You're actually playing good now, but you trolled before. You're targets are all good, but your behaviour is bad"

It's hard to justify killing townies when you're scum isn't it?

Errandor is very scummy, and likely the best vote we'll get:

##Vote: Erandorr


Well at least this looks better than than the 3 other cases. I didn't even know he posted that much>.> I will be switching votes due to my first suspicion only being based on a feeling. Though i'll be weary of dr. H


I don't necessarily disagree on Dr H, but no matter what his alignment he'll be active. Time will tell if he's scum or not.


Since you're here DocH, what are you're thoughts on Errandor. Do you still find WBG suspicious despite the upswing in his posting?

On September 19 2011 05:09 syllogism wrote:
And yes, Erandorr is a solid candidate as far as newer players go


Solid enough for you to vote for him?
Radfield
Profile Joined September 2009
Canada2720 Posts
September 18 2011 21:55 GMT
#565
On September 19 2011 05:29 Navillus wrote:
Okay why on earth do we have 2 people attempting to start new wagons with like 3 hours until lynch, we are not lynching supersoft or erandorr today and if you leave your votes there for the lynch you'll be my first targets come tomorrow.



We have tons of time left. Decide who you think is most scummy, nothing less.

On September 19 2011 05:42 Jackal58 wrote:
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On September 19 2011 05:18 prplhz wrote:
jackal, i don't have that kind of meta with you, i just know that you're a veteran and i think it's very often better to pressure a veteran to do sensible things that pressure a noob, 'cause a noob will most likely just dig a deeper hole for himself (hi, i'm prplhz, and since i started talking the votes have been piling up on me)

i like the erandorr analysis even though i think you're missing that scum we're most likely just sitting back enjoying the show while wbg shat the thread up. i have no idea who erandorr is and i'm having a hard time forming an opinion on him, i'm leaning town but as it is right now i'll have to vote to stay alive.

i think vain and chaoser are acting pretty weird right now, chaoser was on my back earlier and now he's suddenly on supersoft's back with a weak case looks like he's trying to distance himself from me

What I have learned about my day 1 reads. 95% of the time I'm wrong. What I have learned about my day 3 reads. 75% of the time I'm right. That's why I die night 2.
The only thing I'm fairly confident of right now is Bugs is most likely 3rd party.
I'd rather lynch 3rd party than mislynch a townie.



This is where we disagree. I would much rather mislynch a townie day 1 then kill a third party. I care ~1% about a third party(even a SK) at this point in the game, and even successfully lynching him tells us absolutely nothing about the mafia. Town should be looking for scum, why are you so desperate to find a third party?

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Don't be afraid of being wrong on Day 1. It's really not that important, simply try your hardest every time to lynch scum, and try to keep the thread on track at the same time
Radfield
Profile Joined September 2009
Canada2720 Posts
September 18 2011 21:58 GMT
#567
On September 19 2011 06:41 GreYMisT wrote:
Until what Erandorr posted fully comes out, I still think prp is our best lynch target.


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On September 19 2011 05:48 prplhz wrote:
the case against me is pretty fleeting, from my point of view it's a bandwagon that's slowly been building, there's never been any pbp analysis or anything, just a bunch of people i have never seen or heard about before slowly deciding that they're gonna put their vote on me and go away and this pretty much sucks. i'd rather lynch wbg than me too in case he actually turns out to be 3rd party, it's better than me dying anyway.

i'd also like for as many people to be around until deadline as possible in case something happens.


Take a look at this post. This post sounds like scum tried to convince himself and everyone else that the votes piling up on him will just go away. Look at his defeatist attitude as well. Townies dont/shouldnt just "give up" when they have a wagon piling up on them. they begin scumhunting as best as they can to find a better target. Scum, on the other hand, do give up because they know there isnt going to be a better target. Also, at the very end he feebly deflects attention to WBG because he might be a 3rd party, instead of looking for scum targets.



Lets assume there is very little missing from Erandorr's defense. Why are you giving him a free pass?Do you still think prp is a better target than Erandorr?
Radfield
Profile Joined September 2009
Canada2720 Posts
September 18 2011 22:05 GMT
#571
On September 19 2011 06:56 Drazerk wrote:
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On September 19 2011 06:28 kitaman27 wrote:
Erandorr, I just saw what you edited out and that is 100% not a "wrong thread" edit. That was not a vote, that was a large post including multiple quotes in an attempt to defend yourself. Your first line was "I can see why people think I'm a good target".

##Vote Erandorr


If this is true Erandorr needs to die.

Will however wait until I read the edited text before switching my vote just in case your lying.



Drazerk why would you assume that Kita is lying when Erandorr basically reposted exactly what Kita said:

On September 19 2011 06:30 Erandorr wrote:
I guess I will try again: I make a decent lynch target when I filtered myself but I actually still do think that wbg is a good target, because his behaviour has been off. First what I considered trolling then claiming posting restrictions and then going back to posting normally like he didnt have one. And doing all that without giving a clear reason. Thats not weird to you in any way?


This is an absurdly feeble defense. In fact, it's not even a defence, it's a redirect. Of course WBG's posts have been strange, no one can deny that. But plenty of town players have opened games by playing 'poorly' to attract sheep votes and bs votes.... like yours. Does this mean WBG is town? Of course not, but it certainly doesn't make him scum either. Add to the fact that his posting dramatically improved as the day went on and you find someone more likely to be town than scum. If his posting/activity level stays high than he stays, if it deteriorates than we vig him, by no means do we use a lynch on someone who the vast majority of the players think is "probably not mafia but..."
Radfield
Profile Joined September 2009
Canada2720 Posts
September 18 2011 22:10 GMT
#572
On September 19 2011 05:19 Palmar wrote:
Radfield is a cool guy and Errandor has done nothing that looks like town posting.

WBG is almost definitely not scum, just put yourselves in his shoes, why the shit would he post the things he's done if he was scum, he's basically piling on attention and scummyness by wanting to look for his precious, outright demanding it.

I'll be voting for Errandor.



I think you're swell too Palmar.

What do you think about ON/Pyo/prp?

Radfield
Profile Joined September 2009
Canada2720 Posts
September 18 2011 22:18 GMT
#580
On September 19 2011 07:12 Erandorr wrote:
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On September 19 2011 07:05 Radfield wrote:
On September 19 2011 06:56 Drazerk wrote:
On September 19 2011 06:28 kitaman27 wrote:
Erandorr, I just saw what you edited out and that is 100% not a "wrong thread" edit. That was not a vote, that was a large post including multiple quotes in an attempt to defend yourself. Your first line was "I can see why people think I'm a good target".

##Vote Erandorr


If this is true Erandorr needs to die.

Will however wait until I read the edited text before switching my vote just in case your lying.



Drazerk why would you assume that Kita is lying when Erandorr basically reposted exactly what Kita said:

On September 19 2011 06:30 Erandorr wrote:
I guess I will try again: I make a decent lynch target when I filtered myself but I actually still do think that wbg is a good target, because his behaviour has been off. First what I considered trolling then claiming posting restrictions and then going back to posting normally like he didnt have one. And doing all that without giving a clear reason. Thats not weird to you in any way?


This is an absurdly feeble defense. In fact, it's not even a defence, it's a redirect. Of course WBG's posts have been strange, no one can deny that. But plenty of town players have opened games by playing 'poorly' to attract sheep votes and bs votes.... like yours. Does this mean WBG is town? Of course not, but it certainly doesn't make him scum either. Add to the fact that his posting dramatically improved as the day went on and you find someone more likely to be town than scum. If his posting/activity level stays high than he stays, if it deteriorates than we vig him, by no means do we use a lynch on someone who the vast majority of the players think is "probably not mafia but..."


So to make it clear, out of all those accused right now, you think I am the most likely to flip scum after I die?


Absolutely. And to be clear, you think WBG is most likely to flip mafia?
Radfield
Profile Joined September 2009
Canada2720 Posts
September 18 2011 22:44 GMT
#604
On September 19 2011 07:32 chaoser wrote:
Radfield, I'm all for voting eraddorr off especially given his "wrong thread" lie. I still however think prplhz is mafia. You once said "I agree 100%". Was wondering what you opinion on him now is.


Prp is blech. He has veered away somewhat from my Day 1 metrics, and he certainly seems to be posting more freely and less neutrally. I would put him at 2/5 on the scum-town meter.
Radfield
Profile Joined September 2009
Canada2720 Posts
September 18 2011 22:45 GMT
#607
On September 19 2011 07:43 chaoser wrote:
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On September 19 2011 07:18 supersoft wrote:
sorry guys, i was on the road the whole day and only have my telephone to post today.
i vote iGrok because of the reasons i gave in my last post.


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On September 19 2011 07:39 supersoft wrote:
wait a sec pls i try to catch up. like i said i wasnt avaliable and now i am a bit drunk + i am postin with my iphone.


You got drunk in 21 minutes while on the road posting from your iPhone?



That's some party...
Radfield
Profile Joined September 2009
Canada2720 Posts
September 19 2011 01:34 GMT
#677
On September 19 2011 08:45 iGrok wrote:
Ok, lets review. Who of the following are the scummiest?

Palmar - Not doing much so far
Radfield - Has been active. Pulled wagons off GreyMist and WBG, onto Errandor. Suspicious.
Syllogism - Was active early on in Ring discussions.
prplhz - Leaving this until later
kitaman27 - No great analysis, but decent reasons for voting and has worked to pressure
OriginalName - After watching him play in Resurrection, he's playing the same way. Minimum contribution to avoid focus.
Vain - 1 liners except to defend prplhz
Erandorr - somehow appeared on his own vote list?
TranceStorm - I see a connection between TranceStorm and Radfield forming when I filter him. TS often references Radfield's arguements. TS also attacked prplhz early on


You tell us iGrok. Who's the scummiest on that list? You seem to have decided not to answer your own question.

By the way, I found someone to add to your list:

iGrok - suspicious of Drazerk, oops not suspicious of Drazerk anymore. Wants to lynch WBG to see what his role does. Contributes absolutely nothing to the eradorr/prp lynch discussion. Makes a list of a seemingly random segment of players

Who's the scummiest person on your list now?

Radfield
Profile Joined September 2009
Canada2720 Posts
September 19 2011 01:50 GMT
#682
Shit, it's the vote list.... that makes so much more sense....
Radfield
Profile Joined September 2009
Canada2720 Posts
September 19 2011 01:55 GMT
#684
Wiggles, despite the fact that I appreciate you pointing out my mistake, and that I chuckled at your chocolate milk comment, that big ol' wall of text contains almost nothing. You're talking about possible scum motivation(wifom) and making connections that are very flimsy. A hundred connections like that could be made at this point in the game.

Radfield
Profile Joined September 2009
Canada2720 Posts
September 19 2011 22:34 GMT
#746
JEEJEE I see what you're doing, BUT YOU HAVE TO POST MORE TO NOT GET MODKILLED. You need to post 2 or 3 times this cycle.

On September 20 2011 03:36 wherebugsgo wrote:

If that's arrogance and you guys don't want me to play, I'll replace out.


You're playing fine, don't sub out, just settle down a bit. Reading your posts it feels like you're jumping up and down in your seat while typing.

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On September 20 2011 03:47 jcarlsoniv wrote:
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On September 19 2011 18:32 Jackal58 wrote:
Alright, it's night time now. Give Bugs the ring and get him out of here.


You seem so convinced that giving WBG the ring will get them out of the game. I don't know why you're so convinced..

However, the fact that Jackal keeps repeating this after being called out on it several times surprises me. It doesn't logically make sense as scum play. I would expect scum to drop it after a while. However, he seems really locked into his point of view on this, which I would expect more from a town player.


Now, I definitely want people to keep the list of votes on erandorr in the back of their minds:

Palmar
Radfield
Syllogism
prplhz
kitaman27
OriginalName
Vain
TranceStorm
xtffc

Think about how quickly the bandwagon formed and filled up. I knew it felt wrong, and I'll be the first to admit that I didn't feel confident enough in myself to argue against Radfield to try and stop it. Before Radfield's post, prpl was leading the lynch vote. This has only made me more suspicious of prpl, and it makes me really want to take a deep look into Radfield.

Looking down the list, I see Palmar at the very top. His posts consist of:

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hey guys, I'm in a good mood so I'm not gonna ruin it by reading the thread. See you tomorrow


Radfield is a cool guy and Errandor has done nothing that looks like town posting.

WBG is almost definitely not scum, just put yourselves in his shoes, why the shit would he post the things he's done if he was scum, he's basically piling on attention and scummyness by wanting to look for his precious, outright demanding it.

I'll be voting for Errandor.


filter
Still in good mood, cba telling you why you're having a case of the bads.

I don't like the case on prplhz either.


DrH is giving me really bad vibes.


These all wreak of uselessness. It also connects Palmar and Radfield. The little, scummy bandwagon that started on Erandorr starts with them.

We also see prplhz jumping onto the Erandorr votes quickly.

When I saw kitaman's name on the list, it made me realize just how little he had done this game. If you filter his posts, you won't find much of anything. It's mostly a lot of posts asking others their opinions, and not giving his own. In the couple posts that he did have opinions in, they were weak and not definitive. I'm definitely watching kita. You better start actually contributing.

Lastly (for now):

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On September 19 2011 08:42 Ciryandor wrote:
Errandor you derp. I may die tonight...


You cannot expect to say something like this and get away with it. You got some 'splainin to do.



Erandorr was a fine lynch. Everyone seems to be coming out of the woodworks right now softballing suspicion on me, but it's awful easy to shout that after the lynch. You didn't feel confident enough to argue against it because you thought there was a decent chance he would flip scum, same as me. As far as Day 1 votes go, he was the best I had to offer, and better in my opinion than prp and much better than WBG.

You're attempted linking of me to a non-contributing player is noted. Particularly after he blatantly buddy-buddied me. If I flip town tonight is that supposed to give Palmar townie cred?

However you do have some good points. The bandwagon on Erandorr grew incredibly quick, and if prp does flip red, that gives us a ton of info. Frankly I screwed up yesterday. Not about lynching Erandorr, but about the timing. I thought Day was ending several hours later than it did, and forgot that it had been pushed up by 2-3 hours. 8 votes in 2 hours is exceptionally swift. This is the cause of 1 of 2 things: A good Day 1 case when there are no others(possible), or, a swing from a scum lynch to a town lynch(also possible).

Frankly the whole Erandorr voting list is filled with players who look bad:

Palmar has done nothing, Syllo On and stffc look scummy. Vain and Kita I don't know right now, but will look into if I'm still alive in 40 minutes.

I have much more to say but have to run. My post isn't supposed to end here, but I have to go. Will be back in a couple hours

_____________
WBG looks town, Navillus looks townish too
Cyber looks awful, but town awful, not scum awful, which is exactly how he looked in Hesmyrrs game.

Palmar needs to step it up or die. Same for Syllo.

Sandro, Doc H and Chaoser need to keep actively contributing as the game goes on, or else they need to die.
Radfield
Profile Joined September 2009
Canada2720 Posts
September 19 2011 23:58 GMT
#766
To finish my previous thoughts:

Kita is posting fluff right now. However, the only other game I played with him he made it to day 6 as town and posted very little quality content. Please step it up

Vain is non-existant right now and has 1 real post in apprx 7 posts. Excellent scum candidate. Please contribute more Vain.

Also, Jackal is itching all my scum spots right now. Originally I had him written off as Day 1 Jackal, but a closer inspection makes him look alot dirtier.

First he spent several posts deriding those players discussing ring mechanics.

The discussion regarding the ring and its mechanics is fucking useless speculation?


Ask yourself, what did Jackal spend the rest of the day doing? Speculating, Assuming and even VOTING based on ring mechanics.

He also claims that he's fine with lynching either Prp or WBG and that both are scummy.

Although after prplhz's last post he is putting forth a 100% complete scum agenda. I'm ok with lynching either of them. (WBG or prplhz)


Yet later in the thread jackal makes two things very clear. One: WBG is very likely third party(pushes this multiple times) and Two: Jackal would vote for a scummy player but doesn't find anyone else scummy:

Oh the one where I thought lynching a 3rd party suspect was better than a mislynch?



Wait a minute? What happened to lynching Prphlz? You were fine with lynching him as scum, and would rather lynch scum than third party, yet are not pushing you're scummy read(prp) over you're third party read(WBG). This does not jive at all. What changed?

On an unrelated note, Jackal is posting things that don't make sense, and making assumptions when there is no reason to make those certain assumptions. Typically I would just brush this off as strange town play, but Jackal is continuing to not make sense. In my experience when players continue to not make sense it is because they are scum. Why? Because they have addition information which lets them see things in a different light, that no town player should see. Kurumi in PYPI, Nisani(or sinani) in Merc Mini 2.

Jackal is super scummy.

-------------

The flip:

First and foremost is cirryandor being bodygaurd:

I or prp flip town when either of us dies, I can assure you the other is town as well


with him flipping town mason, that means prp is most certainly town, and most certainly frodo. With Prp taking the hit and not Sam, I can only assume that prp was vigged. Mafia have zero incentive to kill Prp, unless they somehow knew he was frodo, which would explain both the hit and the Day 1 wagon. We gain oodles of info and clarity from prp dying.

Prplhz is now confirmed town

This means we derive very little from the day 1 lynch, as both Prp, WBG and Eradorr were town. With three townie wagons it means scum had everywhere to hide. In my opinion this makes those players staying on the WBG wagon look worst, and anyone switching votes around look more town. Mafia had no reason to flutter their votes, so I doubt they would have done so unneccesarily.

On September 20 2011 08:19 chaoser wrote:
Woe is my life as I have been shot. Thankfully I am not dead. Don't worry though shooter, I have your bullet and I hope to return the favor. I always repay my debts.


This either means scum have 4 KP, a vig(s?) shot night 1, or you are lying.

Are you claiming that you are both a vet and a vig? Can you shoot during the day or only at night? At this point you need to roleclaim.

If someone shot chaoser they should claim. If someone shot anybody they should claim. 4 KP is way too high unless we have an assload of prot roles.


Radfield
Profile Joined September 2009
Canada2720 Posts
September 20 2011 00:02 GMT
#767
On September 20 2011 08:55 GreYMisT wrote:

Can anyone counter claim frodo? because if this is true we lose another major lynch target from yesterday.



Any counter claim is BS. Ciryandor made it clear he was masoned with prp. There is no way a town mason would post that unless they were telling the truth.

Though if scum want to try it it's fine by me....
Radfield
Profile Joined September 2009
Canada2720 Posts
September 20 2011 00:07 GMT
#772
On September 20 2011 09:04 chaoser wrote:
Show nested quote +
Are you claiming that you are both a vet and a vig? Can you shoot during the day or only at night? At this point you need to roleclaim.


Why are you blue fishing?

I was shot and survived. That is all that matters. I am not claiming that I'm a vigi. I'm not claiming that I'm a vet. I'm not claiming anything.



Are you saying you were joking about the "i have your bullet now" thing? I took this to mean that you had a role where if you were shot you gained a KP.

Please clarify.

If you're only claiming "I took a hit" then I'm cool with that.
Radfield
Profile Joined September 2009
Canada2720 Posts
September 20 2011 00:32 GMT
#777
On September 20 2011 09:07 chaoser wrote:
Show nested quote +
If someone shot chaoser they should claim. If someone shot anybody they should claim. 4 KP is way too high unless we have an assload of prot roles.


And why are you assuming/implying that I was shot by town? Others have the ability to kill as well you know (like the mafia? or third parties?).


Not once did I assume or imply that you were shot by town. Prp yes, but not you. Is it possible you were shot by town, certainly. It's also very possible you were shot by mafia/SK. It seems to me that it's YOU jumping to conclusions. Either way this gets us nowhere.

On September 20 2011 09:20 jcarlsoniv wrote:

Show nested quote +
On September 19 2011 04:48 Radfield wrote:
Errandor is a fantastic Day 1 vote.

You were very confident in your read on Erandorr, not that he would have a "decent chance" to flip scum. I also stated that I was uncomfortable with how quickly the bandwagon formed on Erandorr, but I should have taken it further and defended my point.


A player with a "decent chance" to flip red is a fantastic day 1 lynch. If you want a number I would say I was 35-40% sure that Errandor would flip scum. That's about as strong as I ever get Day 1.
Radfield
Profile Joined September 2009
Canada2720 Posts
September 20 2011 00:40 GMT
#780
+ Show Spoiler +
Meant to preview not post


On September 20 2011 09:20 jcarlsoniv wrote:

I was not the same as you. I didn't feel confident in myself to make a strong case against you, not because I believed you.



Are you insinuating that after you saw my case against Erandorr you were thinking about making a case against me? That is certainly not what I get from this quote:

I knew it felt wrong, and I'll be the first to admit that I didn't feel confident enough in myself to argue against Radfield to try and stop it.


This quote makes it sound as though you were only trying to stop a lynch on Erandorr, not make a case against me.

Were you planning to argue to defend Erandorr because you thought he was town, or to attack me because you thought I was scum. Or both. Please explain.

On September 20 2011 09:27 JeeJee wrote:
I ran the message through some common ciphers.. got nowhere. It's too short for any analysis based approach so I figure it's best to forget about it until it comes to light again.
Will write up my thoughts on day 1 after I hit the gym.

Interestingly enough both radfield and I lived. It's a miracle =D


Option 1: Lurk hardcare, make an absurdly scummy self vote to distract mafia.

Option 2: Lead a lynch on a townie.

Equally successful, but I'll take option 2 everytime

Please use your newfound Day 2 life effectively and show us why scum like to kill you day 1
Radfield
Profile Joined September 2009
Canada2720 Posts
September 20 2011 00:41 GMT
#781
On September 20 2011 09:33 prplhz wrote:

way to be totally fucking useless. you policy vote on a guy because you don't like him, what the fuck. you're ruining the game 100 times more than he is with your whining and calling for replacement.




Manner please. Regardless of his play or alignment lets keep things civil.
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