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No sense in posting responding to every and each single post of this thread, collect your thoughts and post them all toghether neatly. @redFF why do you think ON is town? He has a 2 posts that don't say much. It's funny you say that because him and bum are on the top of my watch list right now. | ||
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On September 01 2011 12:46 Ace wrote: Everyone is trying to look pro-town. It prevents you from getting thought of as lynch bait. I'm not refuting the possibility of scummy behavior. I'm pointing out that something as inane as "he's trying to look pro-town" isn't going to help us find Scum. Town sided players also tend to look pro-town at times too you know? This is what I'm refering to. If a guy is being useless and making blend in posts when there is actually something else to talk about, that is indeed suspicious. But whatever varpulis posted 1 hour into the game to try to get discussion going when there was nothing to talk about says nothing about his aligment. I'll much rather not waste a day discussing him right now. What do you guys say about the 3 top suspects idea. I'd like to see comments on that. Also bum your easy vote on varpulis was lol. Care to give me your reasoning behind your vote? | ||
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Does the vote roleblocking mechanic goes into effect for the current day or the next? | ||
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Palmar what is your reasoning on varpulis? Care to point out why he is scummy, I only see people pushing this wagon nitpicking on every single post he makes. Show me some actual evidence. I tried doing a little reaserch on jcarl and couldn't find a single game he is scum. Care to point me to one if it actually exists JC? The reason I went through all this trouble is because in his previous post, despite not seeing any point to my sugestion, he still behaves nicely and obliges. From what I've read from the previous games he played as town his ideas regarding what is scummy and regarding lurkers are pretty much the same, but I'd like to see a game he played as scum to draw further conclusions. | ||
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I need an answer on some questions about mechanic first, to then come up with something, but bum's idea on reviving one of the lynches and checking him day 1 is not terrible. I'll much rather use it in someone important like Ace (who is posting random derp now) though. For now I'm leaning on killing ON and kill/revive Ace. Can a priest/coroner target someone who is not yet dead? Which order do the actions go through regarding priests/coroners/mafia? | ||
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On September 03 2011 02:28 bumatlarge wrote: I don't think it smells like that at all. I voted varpulis, same time as redff, then a bunch of people jumped on it, including you, with very little reason. In fact you have very little reason voting me here as well, which is extraordinarily unlike the palmar I know. This has to be the most passive thing I have ever seen you done. If you vote me for reason, you don't go ahead and do the exact same thing yourself. See bolded sentence. And sandroba is just as bad, sayng I haven't been pro-town, when he clearly has not read through my unlynchable idea by thinking the coroner uses his power by day. That's why we discuss and figure everything out now day 1, where there is little to derail, because day 1 conversations are hard to move. I feel this game should garner the same discussion a PYP game would. The High Priest should use his power everyday I'll explain why. But first we need to ask more green questions I think. There is a lot of stuff we could miss just by ignorance. iGrok, when two revivers (priest or necro) target the same person, is there a precedence given? Also, can you add all questions answered to the last of the OP posts? If it's not too much trouble.  I'm fairly certain it will revive according to when the PM is sent, but it will have to be confirmed. IF A HIGH PRIEST CAN RESURRECT A PERSON RATHER THEN THEM BEING A ZOMBIE THEN THAT IS GOOD. Denying zombies will be a key job for the high priest, as a necromancer will not just revive dead teammates but also any townies he can whenever he can. THIS IS VERY IMPORTANT. Day 1 is where the chances are higher to do this, 50%. I'll gladly take criticism or argue the point. Day1 is usually a mislynch and a double lynch on day 1 is unlikely to be successful. We will undoubtedly lynch a townie, you can't argue that. So resurrect the one you think is town as fast as you can, and hopefully you stop the zombification. Even if they target different people, the zombie does a have a time limit and the resurrected person does not. Most likely mafia will revive the less pro-town of the two, and high priest the more pro-town. Ok now you can yell at me for speculating. There is a lot of WIFOM in this topic as to who would revive who, so please refrain from using that as a counter-point. Also Ace please post  I know you figured some stuff out too, probably more then I did.Day 1 High priest/Necro can't target anyone because there is no one dead to be a possible target. Day 2 they High priest will target one of the 2 night kills if they have half a brain, because those are unlikely mafia. If mafia shoots mafia they are dumb because you can't guarantee high priest will target the correct one nor that he is alive by day 3 to res said mafia, so nks are 99% town and those are the ones that should be res'ed 100% of the time. The problem I see with that is the timing thing which is dumb. Both Mafia and High priest will have to spam F5 to see when daypost goes through to have a higher chance of getting the res. Mafia will have an advantage here because they will now the kills before (to try to deny the High Priest a res) AND they can choose to target one of the lynches and have a 100% chance of getting a zombie. I don't see how we can avoid the need of F5 spamming before the day post, so if you are high priest, please make the effort to send your res as early as humanly possible. That said unlynchable claiming and getting confirmed by lynch is terrible. Here is what will happen. Mafia will kill him at night and try to res him as a zombie to deny the high priest which will obiously target him. That makes it at best 50/50 and we won't know what he actually is, so we will have to keep him alive possibly contributing to mafia kp. It also gives us absolutely nothing in the sense of finding scum. It also helps a possible minion to narrow down their targets. Let me repeat unlynchable should absolutely never claim, even if up for a lynch, since mafia has to send their kills before hand and that ensures he will survive the next day and thus be confirmed. The optimal way is to try to lynch the zombie plus one person per day to not let mafia kp go up and res one of the nks every day to further reduce mafia kp. That is all. | ||
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1) LOL, why is he scum in the first place? 2) When he was scum with me in kurumi's game, he had a much harder time posting anything meaninful and was much less genuine in his posts. He came across as very scummy and wishy washy which is not the case this game. 3) He is actually making an effort at finding scum and defending himself. There are much better targets than him for a day1 lynch. Here are some: Bum: Has only posted about mechanics and nothing abusable in a pro-town way, so the content is actually nil. First to jump on the easy varpulis bandwagon then criticises others who did the same. Then votes kenpachi, which is the safest vote you can imagine. If you can actually tell wether kenpachi is town or mafia at this point I bow to you sir. In my opinion kenpachi is being more pro town this game than most games he plays in. ON: See wbg case. Also votes kenpachi, which is terrible for a vet that knows how he plays. Sknowman and Drazerk: Completely useless. They are fine day1 lynches aswell. | ||
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You have played numerous games and started way before I did, so to me you are a vet. Also wether or not you are a vet doesn't make any difference. You know kenpachi and I know you can't tell if he is mafia or not yet. Your vote on him is a throw away vote with little chance for sucess. | ||
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We have to consolidate the votes now, so mafia can't lynch whoever they want. | ||
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On September 03 2011 06:54 bumatlarge wrote: what the fuck sandroba? ##Unvote ##Vote Varpulis What the fuck is what I say to you. Why are you voting varpulis? Are you even trying to find scum in this thread or do you only care about not being lynched? RedFF your meta argument is shit and too shallow. Explain to me how varpulis is scum in a coherent way and stop spamming he is scum in every single post you make. | ||
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@Ace after all that talk about how bad it is for people to get lynched with 3 votes, won't you do anything to stop that from happening? like pushing your candidate or voting on one of the leading ones? | ||
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The very good analysis you are refering to is basically redFF saying one of the first posts on the thread is non contributory and appearing to be pro-town. He pointed out that he did so as scum in a previous game, in which he got lynched day 1 for it. If you are judging only meta from his very first post, do you really think he would do the same shit again? Or do you think it's more likely that despite the risk of getting lynched he was legimately concerned about spamming/lurking/trolling going on in the recent tl games? | ||
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On September 03 2011 07:38 jcarlsoniv wrote: Why is that? You sound like you have information that the rest of us don't have. Maybe the scum list, perhaps... I'm going out to dinner. I'm not changing my vote. I'm getting scummy reads off of sinani, and my vote is staying there. I'll be reading and keeping up on my phone. Are you really this blind? If a roleblocker blocks one of the voters and the votes are this close they pretty much get to choose who doesn't get lynched. | ||
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I have a pretty good explanation why mafia used the minion shot so early. Bum is the minion. Despite roleblocking me they couldn't be 100% he would've survived because of pious shenanigans. So they decided not to risk losing kp and used it day1. There you go. | ||
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On September 03 2011 09:49 wherebugsgo wrote: You voted for bum? This probably means bum is mafia, no? Kill him? Unless they thought you just had a power, in which case they might have conveniently planted a red herring because bum was already scummy... We need people to post damn it -_- this inactivity is bothering me Yes, despite all the wifom bum is most likely mafia. ##Vote: Bumatlarge | ||
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On September 03 2011 09:57 jcarlsoniv wrote: Im pretty sure mafia kp was 3. I figured there might be 5 or 6 mafia in the game. So, assuming I was right, that means we either hit 1 or 0 scum with lynches. I'm hoping we hit 1. The double lynch plus no nights into 3 mafia kp makes deaths very fast. We can assume 2 will come back today with resurrect + reanimate. Idk, it's all kind of overwhelming... WTF? 5-6? This is no flip, man. Mafia has 3 members most likely and 2kp, probably with a 1 shot minion. | ||
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On September 03 2011 11:27 bumatlarge wrote: redff can't really be scum when the real coroner can just counter claim him. As for sandroba's RB, I think it was a bit of distraction from varpulis as a block could not have saved him. Please don't use it as an argument to lynch me. From my standpoint I think sandroba is lying and throwing the wagon on me so his case looks stronger. I suggest we lynch ON and sandroba tonight or if im going to get lynched, and redff is alive, i would ask him to check me and confirm me. okay what? What are you actually saying in this post? Why am I scum? And why did you suddenly change your mind about ON? Please ignore chaos13 post and vote for bum and ON. | ||
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On September 03 2011 09:23 OriginalName wrote: We dont know that for sure. Settle down there is probably more going on right now than is clear to us. Oh god, look at the time on this post. We know for a fact that ON was around at the time of the lynch but he did nothing to prevent mafia from screwing with the votes and threw away his vote on kenpachi who had only one vote at the time. He also never comented on bumatlarge. Also 90% of his posts are one-liners which is unlike him when he is actually town. The only medium post he made was calling out kenpachi, which he admited to have no idea of alignment in this post: On September 03 2011 05:24 OriginalName wrote: Its still marginally better than most of the shitty wagons you guys have started. He opted not to choose one of the leading candidates and leave the lynch to be tampered with by mafia. Would a townie ON do this? The answer is no. He is mafia. | ||
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Why would mafia opt to keep bum from being lynched instead of sinani/varp if bum was town? No offense to those 2 but bum is regarded as being a very good player and mafia would totally seize the opportunity of getting rid of him early. But let's assume they did that to use bum as lynch bait for today. Do you see the bum wagon gaining strengh quickly like it should if mafia's plan was really to lynch bum? No. Instead there is a bunch of players refusing to comment on the issue and others pushing/bandwagoning your lynch. So this isn't what mafia intended to do when they decided to role block me. What's left is that bum really is mafia, which makes the most sense. Assume redFF is town, that's a safe assumption because mafia wouldn't claim that shit out of the blue most of the time. It's risky, stupid and there is no reward. Btw, bringing back sinani206 might be a good idea for the high priest, base on reading between the lines of redFF strange claim. Kenpachi is only possibly mafia if I'm wrong on both accounts, which I don't think is likely. I don't think chaos13 is a good lynch for today, I'm not convince on him being scum just yet, but I apreciate wbg's analysis and he may indeed be onto something. Both bum and ON should be lynched today. Make it happen please. | ||
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On September 03 2011 09:42 Ace wrote: Coroner, I know you have a pretty tricky job to do but I'm going to help you out. Since you can't communicate with me I'll just give you a name: Check the corpse of Sinani. If you dont say anything once the corpse is checked, I will take your silence as confirmation of Sinani's innocence. That way the priest can revive him knowing he is town aligned. Otherwise take the chance and speak out if you find Sinani to be Scum. Let me point to this blatant contradiction in Ace's logic. He thinks it's a good move for the coroner to claim if he found a dead scum. But when the coroner has the oportunity to counter claim and get us living scum, then NO, that is a bad move because we are not at lylo and would never happen. You are full of shit and just want redFF lynched. | ||
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On September 04 2011 21:28 Ace wrote: *chuckles* That was cute. But your still terrible. Great defense. Care to back pedal now or are you are just going to make it obvious you are scum? | ||
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Now let's look at this setup. The whole point is ressurection and no flips. Both necro and priest can only perform their actions and be relevant by day3. It makes a lot of fucking sense to make sure the game goes for that long, thus mafia number is almost certainly 3 because we could be at lylo right now if it was anything more. Another point is that it's possible and likely to have the necro/coroner/priest dead by that point. What's the solution if we want to preserve the theme of the setup? You make the necro a pass over role like it's pointed in the OP. You make back-up roles for coroner and priest so they have a chance to act. That's what makes sense. No insult to redFF, but I don't think he has done this kind of analysis before hand and thus concluded this is a plausible claim as mafia and then risked the coroner being alive before claiming. NO. He did not. He is indeed the back-up coroner and if you lynch him you are dumb or scum. | ||
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On September 04 2011 22:36 wherebugsgo wrote: This point is the strongest in establishing that the current mafia count is 3/4. In fact, I think it suggests there are only 3 mafia. Let's not assume that, but 1 minion/1RB/1 necro is a good balance for mafia. Knowing this, if we kill bum/ON today and Ace tomorrow, we can actually keep mafia KP at only one for a pretty decent amount of time. Read my previous post on the setup. We can safely assume 3 mafia. | ||
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On September 04 2011 22:20 sandroba wrote: Another point is that if we had a cc we could simply lynch both and get 1 mafia lynched 100% of the time, which is a good deal. Now let's look at this setup. The whole point is ressurection and no flips. Both necro and priest can only perform their actions and be relevant by day3. It makes a lot of fucking sense to make sure the game goes for that long, thus mafia number is almost certainly 3 because we could be at lylo right now if it was anything more. Another point is that it's possible and likely to have the necro/coroner/priest dead by that point. What's the solution if we want to preserve the theme of the setup? You make the necro a pass over role like it's pointed in the OP. You make back-up roles for coroner and priest so they have a chance to act. That's what makes sense. No insult to redFF, but I don't think he has done this kind of analysis before hand and thus concluded this is a plausible claim as mafia and then risked the coroner being alive before claiming. NO. He did not. He is indeed the back-up coroner and if you lynch him you are dumb or scum. This. | ||
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Kp got reduced, so I guess ON was mafia after all. Sinani can you confrim you are coroner and please check ON? Also there are 2 possible explanations for why there are three revives. 1) either jackal or drazerk was blue and got shot by minion. 2) either jackal or drazerk was mafia with a role (necro, since that would be optimal making 2 necros today) and minion shot him to get him ressed today and throw us off. Scenario number 2 is more unlikely, but still possible and not a bad strat for scum. 1 of them is zombie 100%. I want both jackal and drazerk to claim, since if they are blue mafia already knows this. iGrok, can you confirm that's how minion shot would suposedly work if they shot another mafia with a role? | ||
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1)If he was town scum would save ON since he was the last to get 3 votes if they blocked one of them. 2)redFF can't be scum and both ON and bum town since he could easily be saved with a roleblock, thus lynching both town. ##Vote: bumatlarge | ||
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On September 05 2011 09:30 wherebugsgo wrote: Anyone get roleblocked yesterday? This kinda shows bum's claim is BS. If jcarl is pious and there's no roleblocker then the only reason bum would've survived is if one of the voters on redFF was pious. I can't seriously believe that. We need to lynch bum/Ace today since clearly the vig died or something. Let's assume the vig was varp and he's already dead. Currently bumatlarge has two voters. I was roleblocked again. | ||
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On September 05 2011 09:31 Jackal58 wrote: Bum is scum. His late claim is BS. I was minion hit. I received a PM from iGrok when I died advising me to continue watching the game because I would be resurrected at the beginning of the next day. The only thing that fits that is a minion hit. Can you claim exactly what blue role you are? Mafia already knows you are blue and if you are not mafia you are getting shot either way. | ||
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On September 05 2011 08:59 bumatlarge wrote: I am a Astute Lawyer. I can see how many votes were casted for an individual in the previous lynch. I checked sinani's list and saw 4 votes casted. That's why I think sandroba's claims are bullshit about being roleblocked, since there was a obviously a pious man on sinani's list. The only player alive on that list is jcarl, and by his actions where he was very suspicious of sandroba, I'm thinking he has to be the pious man. Sorry to betray you jcarl, but hopefully you survive the night and vote sandroba, because I guarantee you that you are right about his RB claim being fake. What the shit HUGE scum slip here. I had not claimed my second roleblock yet, but somehow my rb claims are plural. lol nice | ||
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Okay jackal there is a possibility that you are mafia if somehow ace is town. Can you give us a full claim with text pls or if that is banned what your role does. | ||
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On September 05 2011 09:49 Ace wrote: so somehow the Coroner role when divided ends up with a grand total of just 2 checks. Lol wow what bullshit. From the OP: "Not all role descriptions are complete." Don't you thinking by now the real coroner would have counter claimed? Also look at the list of players. If you think the scum team consists of redFF and sinani I don't know what to say. Also if the team is me/redFF/sinani why wouldn't we save redFF from the lynch by blocking one of his voters? What about bum's ridiculous claim have you nothing to say about that? If you argue the inhibitor is not present thus he could not be saved and the lynch results were because of pious I ask you to look at the suposedly townie roles because that would make at least 1 priest 1 medic 1 ridic lawyer claim and very likely a coroner since it's no flip. No roleblocker in this setup? I've been roleblocked twice and you are voting for me without any analysis or reasoning. There is simply no way you are town. | ||
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On September 05 2011 10:09 jcarlsoniv wrote: I don't find bum's claim as ridiculous as you do. I don't necessarily believe his claim, but I have had a sneaking suspicion that I am the pious since the first night. This makes it very difficult for me to decide which one of you to believe. Your arguments against his claim ARE very weak. "Coloring his role green instead of blue, and using the word "are" instead of "is". Cool then vote for Ace. I didn't bring up colors as an argument of why he is scum, that was someone else. Check my posting history (and his) to see why bum is scum. Do you think redFF and sinani are both lying? How do you explain the kp discrepancy from day1 to day2 then? How is it possible that we got off 3 ressurections? Do you supose mafia would res sinani and priest res drazerk both knowing the other would probably target the same one most likely? If you believe their claims that means 100% presence of a roleblocker despite my claim. You can also see that both bum and ON voted redFF last day, so if redFF was mafia roleblocker would totaly save him. Thus by the fact that kp got reduced it means we killed a mafia and by the fact that inhibitor opted to rb me means there were 2 mafia up for lynch, so they had to choose only one to save. | ||
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On September 06 2011 00:56 Ace wrote: Amazing how you came to that conclusion, but believe that the town has a grand total of 2 Coroner checks when the game is at minimum guaranteed to last to Day 3 in a no flip scenario. Brilliant. Maybe I misread your post, my english is not that great =P. Are you saying you agree with that conclusion, but making fun that I believe the claims? I most certanly don't give a shit about how many checks they have or if they are lying about how many checks they have. All that I know is that seeing everything that happened this game is it is unlikely for both redFF and sinani to be scum seeing: 1)redFF advocated for sinani's lynch day1. 2)they both would risk being counter claimed as mafia, it's not likely mafia would do a gambit like this and expose 2 members. 3)No counter claims. 4)Behaviour from both players. redFF was indeed not the brightest this game, but that doesn't make him mafia. He wasn't playing like he had something to hide and was 100% transparent with all his opinions. Also look at the list of players. How likely is it that the scum team composed of 3 players contains both sinani and redFF? I also know for a fact that bum is scum, because for his claim to be true there must be 1 pious in palmar/wbg AND ON must have been pious, since both you and bum claimed some sort of role. Now look at ON's posts and behaviour, there is no way he wasn't scum. All of this was very obvious day2 when both bum and ON were up to lynch, yet you pushed redFF who was obvtown and refused to comment on the other lynches. I simply cannot fathom the idea you would be so oblivious as town, so that makes you mafia. | ||
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If you do that makes redFF town and ON scum. How in hell am I scum in that scenario? | ||
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On September 06 2011 05:05 Jackal58 wrote: A village idiot. A 3rd party role that wins on condition of being lynched by town. Some VI scenarios just declare his wincon met and remove him from the game when lynched. Others declare game over and VI winner if he's lynched. Ace is not playing scummy. Nor is he playing town. He's just trying to piss everybody off. Sandroba - Is Ace playing anything at all like he did in Sleeper Cell? Remember the game where he got the DT that called me scum lynched instead of me? Where he convinced town he was super duper spy with DT/Vig powers? This Ace ain't scum. He ain't town but he damn sure ain't scum. (Sorry to open old wounds Bum) Well, I'm almost positive ace is scum. He pushed the lynch on redFF ytd, but seen how absurd the idea was he didn't get much support except from the scum team. Also from his day1 play and considering the setup VI is very unlikely (there is double lynch and players get ressurected ffs). Bum is 100% scum and ON was scum, so it's not like it's the end of the word if somehow we mislynch ace. | ||
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Now the number of mafia players present is an important expeculation. I've given many reasons already why a number of mafia greater than 3 would be imbalanced and in one of your posts you agree with my logic. It also can't be lower than 3 due to balance and kp from day1. That being said that does indeed confirm varpulis and sinani as town. One thing I find funny is that you jump all over redFF's claim, but you say nothing about bum's. That is contradictory to your own personal logic. Look at bum's claim. If he was town and indeed had that role how would you use that? You would try to fucking confirm townies by checking lists that had one vote looking for pious. That would be the most obvious thing to do and probably imbalanced as it would 100% confirm a player to bum in that case. Yet you never bothered to look into his claim nor at his behaviour. I wonder why. Another example of contradictory behaviour: On September 05 2011 09:50 Ace wrote: shut your face. Jackal is telling the truth and he's legit. Why? How come? Don't you find it slightly intriguing that there is a medic on a setup that people can ressurect? Jackal is suddenly legit to you based on nothing, but somehow you think when other players use reasoning to deduce if a claim is likely or not to be legit than they are "jumping to conclusions". Nice double standards right there. Your rules only apply to others, but not to you when you are pushing your objectives. | ||
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Now you are doing the same thing here, saying you are great and have the most experience, yet this game you have done nothing to find scum or "break" the setup in favor of town. All those other games you played in which you were townie I'm sure you did great. Yet this game all you've done is abitrarily nit-pick on a claim from a COMPLETELY NEW AND MADE UP SETUP that you have no previous knowledge of. You claim it to be absurd, yet you say I'm the one jumping into conclusions. You completely disregard behaviour and other issues and you only push your agenda when convinient. You are not analysing each scenario and pondering everything, you are distorting the information to meet your ultimate goal. You are scum =) | ||
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On September 06 2011 10:22 Ace wrote: I believe bum's claim because it is more plausible than redFF's claim. If you were roleblocked I'll think of other possible scenario's but right now I'm very interested in why sinani and redFF's claims dont match up well. redFF messed his claim - you had to have noticed this. Why is bum's claim not good but redFF's legit? I believe Jackal's claim because of the role I have. I'm just waiting to die so I can rape face. Yes, I noticed some inconsistencies, but I believe they are town, from logic and behaviour. There are plenty of reasons why red would lie about not having more claims as town. At first when he claimed I found it sketchy, but after considering for a bit and looking at the situation, I thought it would be likely that redFF got informed of who the original coroner is at the moment he died and he just *had* to check the person he pushed day 1 (varpulis) to see if he was right. He then wanted sinani to be revived because he was coroner and thus had to claim for the priest to know. If that is actually how it happened or not doesn't really matter because either way I'm positive they are town. Bum claim is not legit because ON is mafia, thus not pious. Even if he had 3 votes as he claims (one of palmar/wbg must be pious aswell), the only way for him not to be lynched day2 is if ON is pious (not possible) or he is lying. You don't find it the least bit curious that Bum miraculously survived 2 lynches he should have died? You have claimed another role. Jackal is and imba medic that protects against all scum actions. Do you really believe it's possible that mafia has no role blocker Oh So Great Setup Breaker? If you have half a drop of common sense the answer is they obviously do. Assuming I'm lying about being roleblocked, why the hell mafia did not save redFF if he was scum, and bum/ON town? They could insure redFF did not get lynched with rb despite pious. | ||
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On September 06 2011 10:28 Ace wrote: Why do you keep doing this. You chastise me for not posting, and now that I'm posting it's "I'm not scumhunting". You can't have it both ways. If you haven't noticed the rules don't apply to me. I'm better than everyone else. Good luck though. When are you going to acknowledge that no one can Counter Claim Coroner in this set up though - whats taking you so long? Surely you are smart enough to have figured this out on Day 1 right? I like how you say I'm disregarding behaviour when that is exactly what this is all about: redFF's behavior with his claim. Read my posts and stop being bitter that you aren't as good as I am. How can no one counter claim coroner? Thats positive ev for town always, as you can simply lynch both claims. | ||
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On September 06 2011 10:43 Ace wrote: Really? Show me where I have been scared of getting lynched. Come on read the thread - have I REALLY been trying hard not to get lynched? lol what a scrub Really simple: Look at Ace's behaviour and activity day 1 and 2 when he was not up for a lynch. His first big post of the game was when ON and bum (his scum buddies) were up for lynching. Now that he is up for a lynch holy shit HUGE spike in activity and arguing his little heart out. How come you were so uninterested in the game before ace? If you are town (lol) and have this game ending ability you can go ahead and kill me with it (or do w/e you will make up later when things look dire). | ||
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On September 06 2011 10:55 Ace wrote: They can have the 2 KP. The Town has a Coroner and revival roles. Every time a Townie revives he is effectively a Tree Stump so the game isn't impossible for the Town to win. GG thanks for playing. They get to KEEP 2 kp no matter what. Prove I'm wrong. | ||
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Also I'm tired of arguing with scum. While fun, it's kinda pointless. | ||
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On September 06 2011 11:05 Ace wrote: I'm posting more because I actually have time. Nice try though. My "huge spike in activity" doesn't imply anything about my alignment. The fact that I'm actually trying to die pretty much cements that. derp derp. I said you can keep the 2 KP. Your scenario breaks because revived Townies always have incentive to claim. derp derp. So what? Mafia being 4 they actually get to use one of the lynches as kp too. Prove that town can win assuming double mislynch day1 and 4 mafia (with at least 1 necro 1 rb 1 minion). | ||
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1) He claimed the coroner is dead. Huge risk for mafia as any coroner claim would get both lynched and net us one free scum always. 2)Since his claim rellied on no coroner counter claim anyway, why in hell claim coroner aprentice? If he wanted sinani alive why not claim: I'm coroner, I checked sinani, he is town. Why the hell would you say you checked 2 people in the first place, as that would have to be pulled out of nowhere, there is no mention of this in the OP and would only serve to draw more suspicion onto you. That makes no sense as mafia. NO SENSE. It's ludicrous. @Ace that's not behaviour analysis. That's trying to make something out of nothing and twist it like you want to get your expected result. | ||
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On September 06 2011 12:32 wherebugsgo wrote: Hey Jackal what do you think of Ace? Sandroba you too, I'm curious. I think he is scum and his mysterious power is bullshit. I think he know he can't avoid the lynch and is voting himself because it doesn't matter or to try to confuse us later with an absurd claim. There is absolutely no reason to not have claimed w/e it is right now if he was indeed dead set on dieing. | ||
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On September 06 2011 17:12 Ace wrote: heh, and it makes sense if redFF is Scum along with Sinani. Scum wouldn't reanimate him anyway since he'd be a zombie and die 3 days later. So they get the High Priest to rez Sinani and go a long their merry way. Necro rez on someone else. Varpulis and ON could both be Town. Mafia KP dropped because redFF got lynched. Sinani of course claims to have checked ON and flipped Inhibitor. Inhibitor, the role that allegedly blocked sandroba twice, even though I think most mods by now dont allow that to happen. So now the role blocking power is gone. sandroba's alibi lives, Sinani lives via ON being "confirmed" Scum. Why didn't this scenario play out for any of you? When I pull my little stunt, if ON is Scum the Necromancer has to revive him. There is no way they'd leave their inhibitor dead. If ON is not revived you should seriously question what happened with that Day 2 lynch. Ace this scenario played out in my head for some time. Look at how I posted that redFF was in no means confirmed town when he first posted his claim. I thought about it and came to the conclusion that if mafia was risking a coroner counter claim and their agenda was to get the priest to revive sinani, then they would claim plain coroner with one check on sinani. I also though about the number of scum that is plausible in this game and concluded it's very likely to be three, and based on kp from day1 that made sinani town (which I though he was day1 anyway). That being said that would be no reason for mafia to pull a claim like that considering everything above, so I ruled it out without questioning redFF much, because I thought he was hiding something from mafia. | ||
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I'm a little puzzled about your claim and iGrok's flow chart of order of effects. How is a protection role even possible if other effects come after killing effects? huh? | ||
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iGrok, can you clarify if it's possible for something to act before roleblocking effects? | ||
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On September 06 2011 23:41 Jackal58 wrote: http://www.teamliquid.net/forum/viewpost.php?post_id=11254029 It's not in other effects. Order is Blocking Effects, Lynches, Killing effects, Other effects. It's a blocking effect. I block all evil doers from visiting a person during that day cycle. If I have chosen a person to protect and scum try to hit them or role block them they are blocked. Scum cannot target a person I am protecting. I have already picked the person I am protecting. I will in all likelihood continue to protect this person as long as I am still alive. No I'm not telling you who it is. Yeah, it's best if you don't. Your explanation kinda makes sense. Just please consider one of those 3 because I'm almost positive the HP is in there. | ||
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On September 06 2011 23:43 Jackal58 wrote: As I also stated before I do not block town aligned actions. Yeah, but you realize your role makes little sense in this setup right? Just make sure you are aiming at the HP when you use if you are telling the truth. | ||
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can we change to bum + jackal? maybe there is a chance that ace is not scum, but jackal's claim is mod confirmed impossible lol | ||
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A question that no one has asked yet is why mafia used their minion shot on jackal. One possible explanation is that bum was minion so they had to use it on day1, so they couldn't take the risk of bum getting lynched and wasting their shot. But then why shoot jackal when their kills were sknowman/drazerk/jackal? Seriously who is less likely to be blue amongst those 3? Certainly not jackal. The explanation that makes the most sense would shoot the necro thus making 2 necros by today when jackal revived, in adition to creating confusion. TL;DR jackal is likely scum instead of ace. | ||
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On September 05 2011 09:31 Jackal58 wrote: Bum is scum. His late claim is BS. I was minion hit. I received a PM from iGrok when I died advising me to continue watching the game because I would be resurrected at the beginning of the next day. The only thing that fits that is a minion hit. From the OP: No players are told how a character is returned to life. Since jackal was told he would get revived as soon as he died, the only possiblity is that he was a minion hit. Why would a host inform a player of that? The priest could very well be dead today and we could be facing only 2 ressurections and there is no reason jackal should have extra info about his ressurection as town. As scum of course he does since someone on his team shot him. | ||
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On September 07 2011 03:17 jcarlsoniv wrote: Hmm...so you're saying the minion shot hit jackal, who was the necro. This makes someone else the necro, and then when jackal is revived by that second necro, he gets his necro title back. Definitely plausible. Doesn't quite explain the 3 rezzes we had last night though, since jackal was one of them. I actually don't know if 2 necros at the same time is possible, but I can't see where it states it's not. How does it not explain the 3 ressurections? 1)minion hit (jackal - any player who has a role gets ressed a day after despite alignment) 2)new necro (from the OP, when a necro dies another one takes his place) 3)priest @kenapachi Jackal has already roleclaimed. Why do you join games if you are not going to read the thread? | ||
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iGrok basically edited his post after he read what I said. Do you really think he forgot for a second he put Jackal's role in the game? Also why did the minion shoot jackal and why did he get informed that he would ressurect the following day when the op states no player get's informed?? | ||
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On September 07 2011 05:47 Jackal58 wrote: Half your posts in this game are condescending to the person you disagree with. I suck as town because I claimed? I suck as town because I wanted town to know who the Zombie was? I suck as town because scum know I'm blue? I suck as town because Sandroba asked me to claim since he understood that scum knows I'm blue? I suck as town because I know how you derps act if somebody doesn't comply with your wishes? I suck as town because iGrok either accidentally or intentionally told me I would be resurrected? Stick it in you ear Bugs. Whatever, if the game does not end we lynch you tomorrow. Also protecting ON does nothing. We can lynch him tomorrow along with someone else and his kp will never come into play, specially now you've said you are going to do it. If you are town and all those coincidences are indeed true just protect one of wbg/chaos/kenpachi because one of those is priest and that is the most important town role atm. | ||
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