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We need 2 lynchcandidates and we should have them in about 12 hours. We get them by pressuring people and see who defends them etc. If we have one mafiaguy amongst them, we got this game, because mafia tends to be stupid and defends each other, while a townie will get beaten up by everyone if he acts suspicious by accident. | ||
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at that point of the game, almost everyone trolled around and everyone knows that kurumi won't stop trolling if you vote on him... Don't know... seems suspicious to me. I mean, it's easy to accuse kurumi and pretend to be the "angry townie" who wants to have everyone scumhunting seriously etc. | ||
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nard Munk-E Vain Sevryn darkponcho are our lurkers right now. I love making lists. | ||
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On August 19 2011 18:00 Palmar wrote: how about putting your vote on dropbear? ##Vote DropBear i just filtered him, and he just posted one policypost and no thoughts about other people. Why not pressuring him a bit. Can't be bad. ##Vote DropBear and before anyone jumps on me like: "wtf he bandwagoned blablabla" - like Curu did in AA; I am NOT one of the players, that bandwagons on anyone random with a bad explanation only to show up the next day like "hey guise sorry what happened, oh you lynched scum - yea well I had stuff to do." I will be there at the end of the day and put my vote on scum. | ||
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On August 19 2011 18:34 Varpulis wrote: hey guys, your pressure won't work if you say that it's pressure. just sayin. When you vote, vote for scum. Vote with the intention of lynching whoever you're voting for. Don't just mindlessly vote for people for "pressure," and if you are, for the love of god don't tell the person that you're voting for that it's pressure. okay well, it's not exactly pressure what i wanted to achieve, i think it's more like get this game going. but you're right. Maybe it's not good to explain everything you do. | ||
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On August 19 2011 18:56 Erandorr wrote: Okay good morning guys. So just to quickly give you my thoughts on what has been going on (I will also try to get some information in every sentence -.-) Lynch lurkers - I agree ? I am sorry not to say more there but everything that had to be said was said already and no one should waste more time on this. Now just concerning the last few posts, supersoft I think you are behaving like an idiot. You really have not contributed anything up until now, and all you think of is whom to vote after the first couple of hours. We have 48 hours to get to a vote, not 10 minutes like SC2 Mafia. Oh and concerning bandwagon votes, you realize that I had posted NOTHING up until now , so isn't it in fact bandwagon if you decide to vote on someone after a couple of hours just because palmar said so? Palmar - Well I guess DB is mafia then :D Oh and lastly we should at least try to keep the fluff out of the posts. There were so many posts were you could esentially drop more then half of the text without losing any of its meaning. For some people this will be TL:DR pff. you're just pissed that i put you on my list. i nevery denyed that i bandwagoned. But in my opinion a bandwagon is not a bad thing as long as people keep following the action. I also said something about summary posts. They are useless. And I didn't vote for you, so I don't understand what you mean by: "you realize that I had posted NOTHING up until now" I didn't vote for you.... thus far. | ||
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On August 19 2011 19:22 Erandorr wrote: Hungover. And the opposite of defensive.The point I was trying to make was, that I would have been a better target then DB(is that really defensive in your book). But he made this long post how he will get the Scum, hunt down the scum, will vote for the scum. And thats all. And that pissed me off because he just used the 1 liner from Palmar to, wait for it , hunt down the Scum. I mean DB has not contributed in any way and would make a good target but supersofts argumentation is rubbing me the wrong way already, or the lack of it. Its a lot of anti Scum talk without backing it up in any way. Just look at his posts. yeah, well i don't get what you want to tell us. Who made this long post? DB or me? | ||
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On August 19 2011 19:22 Erandorr wrote: Hungover. And the opposite of defensive.The point I was trying to make was, that I would have been a better target then DB(is that really defensive in your book). I also noted, that you defend DB here. That's very kind of you. Now I explain, why DB is a better target than the guys from my lurkerlist: Lurkers lurk, if you accuse them, they just won't show up until some other guy gets under fire. So accusing the lurkers is useless to get some real discussion going. By real discussion I don't mean these useless policy posts. If we don't found a proper target for our lynch at the end of the day among the people who don't lurk, we always have to opportunity to lynch a lurker instead - if he doesn't get modkilled anyways. | ||
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On August 19 2011 19:51 Palmar wrote: we already found a proper target! we found two. it's DB and his scumbuddy errandorr | ||
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On August 20 2011 01:49 Jackal58 wrote: I think it was the crazy Icelander with a snow shovel. hey, do you buy nards story, that he's "damaged" from a former game and therefor not suspecting anyone? | ||
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On August 20 2011 02:46 DropBear wrote: OK wtf Palmar? I actually don't understand. What is your problem with me exactly? Nearly all of your posts are one liners that are some variation of "Kill DropBear". The "not safe" post you link included a joke about Harry Potter, a complete throwaway vote on kitaman27 and a joke about sandroba's plans. My first post in this thread advocated forcing people to change their vote, how is that so incredibly safe compared PTP2? I don't actually understand your case, I will talk to you more if you actually come up with something. My posts are 2 pages after the game started. 2 pages. Half the players hadn't even posted yet and most of the ones who did posted nothing other than "/confirm". How do you expect me to have reads on people before they have even posted, through divination? Time travel? What's with the random defence of your actions at the end? It's like you know it's a stupid idea, but you're doing it anyway. no random defense because i know it's a stupid idea. random defense because i know it's a good idea, but people who are stupid disagree. tell me what you think about nards post please | ||
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On August 20 2011 03:51 DropBear wrote: Suits me. The point of it is to ensure a no-lynch never happens. It would only be used if it looks like a no-lynch is imminent. It's a contingency. The only person giving me shit is Palmar lol. Alright fair enough, I will do so if the situation arises. "I will do so if the situation arises." why is it necessary to say that now? it's not. I think, you just want to give away the responsibility for your votedecision. | ||
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On August 20 2011 07:38 BrownBear wrote: Which is why i said lynch SEMI-ACTIVES, not inactives. Dude, come on. Semi-active != inactive. so you are convinced, that neither palmar nor DB is scum. Therefor you search a new target among the semiactives. I agree with that plan. On August 20 2011 05:09 xtfftc wrote: ##Vote: Palmar He obviously had something in mind and there's no way he wasn't aware of how his accusations would be perceived by the rest of us. However, his strategy hasn't benefited town by now. He has until the deadline to convince me to vote DropBear or BrownBear. If nothing meaningful comes out of the discussion initiated by him, I'd rather have one less player who throws arbitrary accusations around. I'd also like to point out that it shouldn't be that difficult to convince me to switch to DropBear, considering DropBear's behaviour. ah, okay I understand, you vote for palmar, not because you think he's scum, but because he didn't convince you to vote for DB. This is scumlogic. Town doesn't vote people for playing bad. Town votes for scum. Compared to DP, who proposed some really useless plans like this unnecessary mayorthing, your stuff seems more scummy to me. ##unvote ##vote: xtfftc | ||
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On August 20 2011 08:01 Curu wrote: Wanna see worse scum logic? Town voting someone to sheep, then unvoting when called out for it cause he "doesn't want to get lynched." hmm, sevryns behavior had something innocent in my eyes i don't know... Somehow I tend to buy that story... I mean the whole thing started like that: Basic situation: He knew Palmar from former games; and we all know that palmar played some good games for town recently - Palmar accuses DB; I jump on that wagon but declare it as a pressurevote. Varp shows up, says pressurevotes only work if you don't say it's a pressurevote (i 75% agree with that statement) Now the poor sevryn sees all this: he also wants to contribute something by pressurevoting, so he fakes his reason and follows varps advice and gets caught immediately... However that doesn't mean he's town. | ||
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On August 20 2011 08:03 Mig wrote: Sevryn is by far the scummiest. His vote on DB had a ridiculously scummy reason behind it. After he got called out on it he back peddles and claims it was just a pressure vote. And he says he didn't see anything scummy about DB and his only reason for pressure voting was again because of something palmar did it swedish mafia. And then he says he took the vote off not really because he thought db was innocent but he didn't want to get lynched for bandwagoning lol. Sevryn is just lol scum. okay, I thought about that... I somehow missed, that he never thought that DB was scummy... that adds a new perspective to the story... I mean I suspected DB at the point of time I voted him and I still do... But why on earth should I pressurevote an in my eyes innocent player... That doesn't make any sense. Even if I put more pressure on him than my Bachelorthesis I am currently doing puts on me, I won't get any information, because he has none. | ||
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On August 20 2011 16:52 QuickSilver7 wrote: Hi everyone, here are some scummy posts and general observations. First up is Trotske: What this post says: “hey guys I wanna go with the current bandwagon but if my argument against foolishness gains any supporters I’ll be happy to jump ship.” Why is this scummy? Because you’re supposed to vote for the person you believe is most likely to be scum. His vote is on sevryn until he posts more but he says that foolishness needs to post more or he’ll vote him as well. He doesn’t seem to be voting for someone he feels is scum. If you don’t have a good read on someone then don’t vote them, this seems pretty basic. Next up is hiro protagonist: Here are his posts + Show Spoiler + On August 19 2011 13:51 hiro protagonist wrote: this game started all ready? Palmar is scum. See you in the morning! On August 19 2011 13:54 hiro protagonist wrote: QuickSilver7 gets my vote for best opening post. On August 19 2011 13:59 hiro protagonist wrote: your right, I was Trolling. I Was just joining in the fun that was the first few pages of this thread. Be sure that the rest of my posts will look like your first one did. Absolutely worthless if he’s town, great job lurking if he’s scum. I have a slightly scummy read on him atm but there is a better target as I’ll illustrate. Our scum dying today is xtfftc, he does the same thing that Trotske does. So lemme get this straight, he votes Palmar to try and get Palmar to convince him that DB or BB are scum? He doesn’t even think Palmar is scum but he’s fine killing him if it means “one less player who throws arbitrary accusations around” Townies throw accusations around not mafia, mafia want to lurk where they won’t be seen. He also picks DB and BB as people who he’d switch to if Palmar magically convinces him that one of them is scum. However he doesn’t give any reasons why he’d vote for these people other than a very vague reference to DB’s “behavior.” Look who’s throwing around arbitrary accusations now. Xtfftc is the scummiest person in my eyes so let’s look beyond this post. Here is another: Woa red flags going up all over the place, for context xtfftc was posting some troll crap at the beginning about democracy and random stuff which Curu called him out on. Firstly he says he has nothing to add, bad bad bad, as a townie you can always add to the discussion. For context, this post comes in the middle of a discussion about lynching lurkers and different lynch organization techniques. A townie should have lots to say on this subject, after the lynch is how we’re killing scum. Yet xtfftc doesn’t address any of this and skates by with a very neutral “as long as we're all active, all is good.” Then he drops the bomb “I'd just bear in mind that people don't want to die, even in a game” a townie would be happy to die, every townie that dies at night is a blue that didn’t get sniped (or a medic failure lolol  ). Townies should have no fear of death and be contributing as much as possible, any reticence towards posting indicates something to hide and that indicates scum.Anyway next post: The nested quotes here show the little exchange about democracy I was talking about earlier. Now I would have let that whole thing go as early game trolling and not taken anything he said seriously, but rather then say “oh hey nbd I was just trolling”, xtfftc chooses to defend his comments which means he meant them, if he mean them than GeyMist’s argument for xtfftc’s posts being scummy is suddenly relevant. Beyond the democracy exchange this post also rehashes stuff others have been saying about lurkers and town KP, adding nothing new to the table. The very definition of CWC. My vote is going on xtfftc. He’s made several scummy posts and contradictions and his lynch reasoning is truly appalling. The other people I mentioned earlier in this post are good secondary targets, FOS on all of them as I’ll be pushing for them tomorrow. Random closing thoughts I agree with Foolishness on Mig, I won’t repost his argument here. Currently facing modkill are: darkponcho, Barundar FOS BrownBear I doubt that Palmar, DB, or sevryn are scum. None of them have made a very glaring scum post yet. DB’s mayor thing is retarded but it’s really not something a scum would do. Things may change in later days but currently there are much better lynch candidates out there. perfect. I have nothing to add. My vote stays on xtfftc - and I want to encourage you all to filter him and make your own toughts about his posts. regarding the severyncase, someone called my "defense" wishywashy; First of all, I wasn't defending him, I just explained that I can understand his thoughprocess. What I wanted to point out with that summary of his thoughtprocess is, that I think this could have happened to everyone. His action could either be explained with him being town wanting to get something going or by him being scum wanting to look useful. However I'll be there for the lynch to make sure someone gets lynched. I am fine with sevryn, but i'd prefer xtfftc | ||
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On August 20 2011 22:05 Erandorr wrote: No Palmar, I do not want to blame you excusivly , but look at what this thread is looking like right now. You want either DB or BB dead depending on who is disagreeing with you more (and I do not think either of them are completely certainly Scum) Other then that , right now basicly everyone seems to have their target but I am actually getting a bit scared that we will not get our shit together until the first night is there. Lucidity ghrur is now Barundar Jackal58 xtfftc hiro protagonist Erandorr darkponcho Vain chaoser GreYMisT nard Sevryn Pyo Kurumi DropBear these guys haven't voted yet. Since not all of you can possibly be scum, I encourage you to vote in the next 2-3 hours, so we can see who the maintargets are. It has been said many times before in this thread: A no lynch would be very bad. In order to have enough time to sort things out and discuss our maintargets: Go to vote! | ||
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On August 20 2011 23:46 Kurumi wrote: Sevryn's lack of defense makes me wonder, same goes with Palmar. Afaik only xtfftc defended himself. Navillus, this fluff list is nothing. where did he defend himself? maybe my filterfunction is broken or something. I can't see a defensepost out of him. Are you sure that you don't refer to a post of him in your ScumQT ? | ||
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On August 21 2011 02:25 Varpulis wrote: I'm switching to Sevryn. He's more likely scum than Palmar at the moment, and I notice that the only people defending him are being SUPER careful not so seem like they are. If he flips scum i know who to look at next, which makes this a very good lynch. It provides information and has a good a shot as any at getting scum. Why he's scummy has been covered before, but in short, he made an absolutely bullshit vote then called it pressure when he got called out for it: + Show Spoiler [quotes] + On August 19 2011 23:39 Sevryn wrote: Right now DB is looking the scummiest imo and after what palmar did in Swedish house mafia I am inclined to trust him. That said if there is a good case against anyone else i would be willing to give DropBear another lookskie ## vote DropBear sheeping vote and trusting Palmar unconditionally On August 20 2011 00:56 Sevryn wrote: His play was basicly them same in that game so I'm inclined to belive him do you have a better target? defending his sheeping vote On August 20 2011 03:06 Sevryn wrote: Alright since I don't see anything scummy about dropbear at this point I'm going to take my pressure vote off of him. In swedish palmer asked me to put a pressure vote on someone who turned out to be scum. Because pressure votes don't work near as well if you say its a pressure vote I made up a bullshit reason to vote in that gmae like I did this game. backing out of his vote, calling it pressure, and defending his bullshit by saying it was intentional. And now he's lurking hardcore. verdict: SCUM ##vote sevryn + Show Spoiler + also his name is fucking impossible to spell  You're wrong and you know that. Doesn't matter what sevryn flips. It won't provide any information about me. Defending someone with good reasons isn't scummy at all. I have an opinion and I am not afraid to share it. xtfftc and nard are scummy as hell. Nard keeps apologizing for not doing anything and only summarizes the action without sharing his thoughts. xtfftc on the other hand confuses my "I-know-not-all-of-you-are-scum-so-please-vote-list" with my accuses on him. I admit, I overlooked him when I made that list. However that doesn't mean my accuse on the first place was a mistake. I didn't revenge-voted him for voting palmar. I don't care who votes palmar. I voted him for his reason to vote Palmar. | ||
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I feel like Varpulis wants to sacrifice sevryn to jump on me afterwards. sevryn not showing up is also pretty strange. It's boring to lynch someone who actually doesn't care. | ||
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On August 21 2011 03:07 BrownBear wrote: This is a complete turnaround from your earlier opinion on Sevryn: after all, you're the one who started the bandwagon against him. Care to explain? I'm getting very sick of all your one-liner aggressive posts - you aren't contributing nearly as much as you think you are. On August 20 2011 01:00 Palmar wrote: I don't have a problem with killing sevryn But dropbear is an enemy, he must die. it's no complete turnaround. What are you talking about. Did you even read the thread? | ||
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Since noone is going to follow my vote on xtfftc who is my primetarget I am going to switch on sevryn. | ||
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On August 21 2011 03:37 wherebugsgo wrote: wtf? why are you afraid of voting now? Is it because others have labeled you as scum already? I didn't think you seemed that scummy, but with this new post and a couple of others of yours on this page...I'm having second thoughts about you. I also prefer to lynch xtfftc. | ||
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On August 21 2011 03:49 xtfftc wrote: I expected supersoft to be superhappy about this but noone else. Sevryn is basically dead, one way or another. No mafia will be dumb enough to protect him anymore and the townies are aware that going after anyone else now would look suspicious. and therefor you don't do anything, am I right. Neither do you vote for him, nor do you accuse someone else. | ||
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your defense of yourself is absolutely not enough. Put some more effort in this game. | ||
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Only scum doesn't self-defend, because they could give away important information to the town. Prove your innocence by contributing a lot! If not, we may end this day now. You got about 15 votes - counted without the people that claimed to switch their votes to achieve a majoritysituation. | ||
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On August 21 2011 05:26 Sevryn wrote: /in this looks awesome and I am about to die in XLIV good god, you're such a douche. Why exactly do you even play this game? "awww there are 15 votes on me and the day ends in 5 hours - okay i give up" | ||
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On August 21 2011 08:39 Curu wrote: lol Sevyrn I like nard and Rayzor as lynches. Nard and Rayzor are both trying to plan where to point the finger for DB/Sevyrn lynches: 100% agree. We have jackal voting for Rayzor so far? I suspected nard before, but rayzor basically posts the same things. @GM, sorry for the douche commentary, I just wanted to wake him up somehow... | ||
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##unvote ##vote: RazorFlash | ||
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On August 21 2011 09:25 Jackal58 wrote: You want me to kill somebody I believe to be town instead of voting for somebody that obviously appears to be getting coached. Somebody I think is scum? There is a scum wagon on Sevryn. I'm not joining it. no. You misunderstood me. I agree with your decision to vote RazorFlash and I also disagree with the severynlynch. I just wanted to know how many votes we're having on Razor | ||
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Foolishness jackal supersoft sevryn __________ have their vote on him curu hiro wherebugsgo __________consider switching mig? palmar? my thoughts on chaoser: I never played with him before, and I had no time to look up his posts. If he's an experienced player, I agree, the time he already invested in excusing his abstinence could have been used better e.g. to do some scumhunt... I have to filter him etc. I just have no feeling about this guy yet. | ||
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On August 21 2011 10:08 hiro protagonist wrote: to reiderate: if we cannot get a lynch on Rayzorflash, we all move back to Sev 10min before the deadline. this is important. I dont want a no lynch. lets say 5 minutes. i'll be there. | ||
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On August 21 2011 10:16 Curu wrote: How are you so sure Sev isn't scum? I'm still leaning scum on him though his defense appears a lot more genuine now, I'd only consider switching because Rayzor looks scummy as fuck. hey curu, we can't fight over this now. it doesn't matter if someone belives sev innocent or just not as scummy compared to others. All of you: Just vote for the person you believe is the scummiest. 5 minutes before the day ends you switch on the person with the most votes at this point. I think this is the best strategy for us right now. | ||
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On August 21 2011 10:23 wherebugsgo wrote: lol I forgot about that post. Why the hell are we all bandwagoning? because we're afraid of a no lynch. :-( | ||
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i mean we're all here it's 30 minutes before the nightpost... | ||
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i bet he has his reasons to keep away from this thread | ||
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On August 21 2011 10:46 Trotske wrote: Yea i was just looking at his posts. his reasons for vote on sevryn make no sense at all. haha, Vain is rayzors scumbuddy who didn't realize, that the severyncase is basically dead. | ||
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On August 21 2011 12:50 RayzorFlash wrote: Just got back home and got a chance to go over everything that happened since my last post and woww, you guys seriously almost lynched me for (what seems to me like) no valid reason except that you didn't want to lynch Sev?? Anyways, as I said earlier, I fully expect to be on top of the most suspected list since Sev came up green, but I do wanna look at how exactly this wave of bandwagoning against me started... Just to be clear: - Jackal is against me because he thinks that, since I'm a new player, for me to be participating at all means I'm being coached, instead of meaning that I may actually have researched the game and have a sense of how to play?? - Sevryn was against me because I was making the strongest case against him, this one at least I understand... - Palmar is against me... just because, i guess?? - Curu is against me for planning where to point the finger after the first day, without realizing that I actually said that the finger would be pointed at ME after the first day?? - And as far as I can see, everyone else just sort of climbed on top there?? I don't think any of these reasons is really strong enough to lynch me over Sev based on the evidence presented so far, yet you guys nearly did it... I must admit, I'm very surprised... (Also, DropBear, filter Sev's posts, or check the voting thread... My stealth vote came before he pulled his vote off... It was definitely a pressure vote, though I don't know if it was done perfectly) Also, saw somewhere in there that xtfftc asked who else would be on my list of people who have aggressively attacked Sev... it would be: - Myself - Nard - Munk-e - Mig lol. nard defended severyn. That list is completely useless. You're scum as well as nard. You don't have to take any responsibility for the severynmislynch. + Show Spoiler + On August 21 2011 03:18 nard wrote: anyone care to write up the current vote situation? we need to focus our votes, a no-lynch would be the worst outcome today. I'd do it myself but have only ~40 mins left until i leave the house for today and i prefer eating dinner over re-reading the whole thread  from reading the last few pages the current lynch options which have a chance of reaching 50% seem to be brownbear and sevryn. palmar is still being attacked by some - please stop voting for him because he used a... different tactic to get responses on day1 (i ask you to reduce your tunneling though - it's not a helpful playstyle over a longer period). he is not a good choice for a day 1 lynch. now, to decide between brownbear and sevryn: sevryn's case has been made, but sadly this quote is so true: he cornered himself in a bad spot early on - i'm looking forward to his next posts after not answering ~5 pages of accusations against him. this can wait until day 2 or 3 though - i want to see more posts of him before a possible lynch. Palmar's case against brownbear is reasonable, especially the part about diverting his vote to JeeJee out of (nearly) nothing. why JeeJee instead of one of the many other inactives? also brownbear seems to not really get Palmar's intention with his tunneling - it's not about the tunneling ("pressuring", lol) but the responses from the pressured person as well as other responses to the over-the-top tunneling. i will check the thread after dinner again and put my vote, so far im inclined to vote brownbear - i want to see that voting list beforehand though to make sure we get a lynch today. On August 21 2011 03:56 nard wrote: ooooh there is a voting thread ,_, whats the matter with you twisting around my posts? what do we get from lynching him today? the case against him will be the same tomorrow. also if you read my post again (try it a bit slower this time) i reasoned against it because if he is indeed mafia, any additional post from him will help dig mafia's grave. as the situation didn't change too much since my last post and we have a whole lot of people on sevryn already i will support the votes for brownbear to make a last minute change at least possible - i plead you to read the case against him and his posts again and think again. ##vote BrownBear see you at night! this BB accuse came out of the nowhere. Only Palmar voted for BB at this point of time. Nard supported no reasons for that vote. The only hint can be found in this post: On August 20 2011 05:12 nard wrote: Palmar: do you have any reasonable logic on why to lynch dropbear? you accused brownbear for a while in between, but you switched back to DB. Why?? | ||
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On August 21 2011 10:34 Mig wrote: Meh did you guys see the post foolish quoted? This is rayzor's first ever game if he were mafia would he really put himself out there like that if he knew sevryn was green? Seems to be the opposite of how most new mafia players would play. I am going to stick with sevryn. ... I am not sure about mig... have to think about it. | ||
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The common sense at the end of day1 - i am talking about the last 4 hours - was that sev is most likely innocent. However we didn't manage to achieve a new majority for a rayzorflashlynch. Basically there are two possibilities now. First possiblity is, that Rayzor is innocent and the scumteam didn't do anything to influence the outcome of the last 4 hours, because they just didn't care. They would have voted Rayzor and sev together with the town. If that would be the case, the reason why we couldn't swing the votecount is the inactivity in general. But I don't believe that so many people just weren't here for no reason. I believe the scumteam stayed inactive because they wanted to protect rayzor. And there is the second possibility: Rayzor is scum. I'd like to hear your thoughts on this. And i'd also like to hear some reasons for your inactivity @all the ppl who weren't there to vote. | ||
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On August 22 2011 17:57 Mig wrote: You say it was obvious sevryn was green but after reading rayzor's post about being willing to take the blame if sevryn flipped green, sevryn seemed a lot more likely to be mafia. I agree if rayzor is actually red I look very bad but I put my vote on who I thought was most likely to be scum. i didn't say it was obvoius i said it was common sense. It wasn't obvious, that's why we killed him in the end and didn't let a no-lynch happen, what is better than lynching an obvious townie. On August 22 2011 17:57 Mig wrote: Super if I am mafia and I was trying to save rayzor why did I even post saying why I was going to keep my vote on sevryn? Why was I putting the effort in to try and get people to switch to chaoser before the end of the day? If I knew sevryn was green and I was mafia I could have just sat back and pretended I wasn't there to avoid suspicion. And yes. I know you refused to do something, but i didn't accuse you for that. I agree with you there. I think that the scumteam kept away from the thread silently in general (there might be one who voted with us for rayzor). That's the reason why i refuse to vote you right now. | ||
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He didn't need more town credibility than he had before this incident. chaoser also wasn't there for the day1 lynch and he kept his vote on mig. A useless vote. It was pretty clear that there would be no majority for a miglynch. | ||
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On August 22 2011 21:13 chaos13 wrote: So Foolishness. First, you claim a RB and hit. Then Jackal points out the role description in which it clearly states that a RB + hit on a veteran will kill them. Then you softclaim veteran by the nature of your response to him. Then you absolutely refuse to confirm this soft claim, but shortly after have no problem confirming that it was actually a medic save rather than a vet's extra life. This whole hesitation just says scum to me, but maybe I'm the only one thinking it. Shortly after this we get into an interesting exchange with chaoser, Mig, and Foolishness. This is really a rather empty post. Look at it. What information does he actually bring to the table? He questions Foolishness' claim, points out a contradiction in Mig's posts, and questions Foolishness again. All of this ends with a vote on Mig that happens a few posts later, but...it's not an analysis on Mig. The majority of it is pushing Foolishness rather than Mig. And then holy shit did this just happen? His "damning evidence" was Mig having a different approach to analyzing a different situation. That's real scummy right there, Mig must be mafia for sure. In other words, I would expect waaay more from you Foolish. Here we've got an OMGUS from Mig, although what I feel is a justified one. His defense, just like chaoser's original accusation, feels false to me. I'm really not seeing anything genuine here. Mig as a player has a tendency to become very involved in the game, actively scumhunting, leading people, and basically taking control. This is such a passive defense, and is weak for such a strong player. I don't see much substance to it. This isn't an accusation of Mig, I just want to see if anyone else felt the same way about this post as I did. In summary: Foolish makes scummy half-claim chaoser votes for Mig based on a post that accused Foolish more than Mig Foolish votes Mig on chaoser's "damning evidence" Mig votes chaoser This whole sequence of events is weird. All three of these guys are good players. Why are so many strange posts coming from all three of them within such a short time? Right now, these three (and Palmar, but I'll leave you alone for today I think) are my biggest suspects, and I think Foolishness is most likely to be scum out of them. ##Vote: Foolishness And then something I feel needs to be tagged on the end here: Oh look, it's Palmar! Was this a useful post? No. Was it necessary? No. So unless you're actually going to contribute something, please keep your posts to yourself. hi chaos13. Where were you at the end of day1? Why have you kept your vote on Palmar? Why did you lurk until right now? What's your opinion towards RayzorFlash? How do you think about the fact that our Vigilante accused xtfftc and died night1. What do you think about xtfftc? this attack on Foolishness is completely unnecessary. Foolishness has been absolutely not scummy until the point when he got shot. If I were a medic, he would have been one of the persons I would have considered to protect. Moreover I understand Foolishness vote on mig but I don't agree. As I said before, we should focus RayzorFlash right now. If he's guilty, we got a lot of informations about all the people that were afk during the end of day1. | ||
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On August 22 2011 17:42 supersoft wrote: i am not convinced of that migthing now... He has been pretty useless so far and refused to do something at the end of day1. But I think it's too early to judge mig. I think we should talk about the result of the rayzoflash-incident first. The common sense at the end of day1 - i am talking about the last 4 hours - was that sev is most likely innocent. However we didn't manage to achieve a new majority for a rayzorflashlynch. Basically there are two possibilities now. First possiblity is, that Rayzor is innocent and the scumteam didn't do anything to influence the outcome of the last 4 hours, because they just didn't care. They would have voted Rayzor and sev together with the town. If that would be the case, the reason why we couldn't swing the votecount is the random inactivity in general. But I don't believe that so many people just weren't here for no reason. I believe the scumteam stayed inactive because they wanted to protect rayzor. And there is the second possibility: Rayzor is scum. I'd like to hear your thoughts on this. And i'd also like to hear some reasons for your inactivity @all the ppl who weren't there to vote. so you think Rayzorflash is innocent and all the people were afk like you were... interesting and I don't buy it. But let's see what happens in the next 12 hours... i'd like to hear something from xtfftc, nard, BB, DB and RayzorFlash. Where are you? | ||
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On August 22 2011 22:40 Erandorr wrote: Hes actually contributing. I am at work and do not have much time, I will be available in roughly 3 hours I guess A quick question to the experienced guys : Are you focusing on the guys you know so much because they have the potential to be more dangerous? Because Nard, xtfftc and Vain are just scummy as fuck. i don't understand this either. I agree with your 3 targets, and I completely forgot about vain! | ||
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On August 22 2011 23:17 xtfftc wrote: Posting a lot =/= contributing. He is missing a lot of things in his analyses. For example, first he jumped on me and Nard for not being convinced that Sevryn was mafia and waiting for him. After the lynch, he goes on and on about us not being there to change our votes, although he is also from Europe and should be well aware that the deadline was 4AM. And guess what - Sevryn wasn't mafia. Similarly, he refers to QuickSilver as the vigilante when mentioning that QuickSilver was after me as if QS's role somehow gave extra weight to his opinion. As I've said before, I don't think that Supersoft is mafia but I think that if he focuses more on quality rather than quantity, his posts would be much better. this is no example. You just post things about me in general and try to attack my credibility by saying that I do a lot of posts but there is no content in them. Why don't you share your thoughts on the Rayzorlight thing. Do you believe, that he's town and everyone was just randomly afk at the deciding point of time? | ||
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On August 23 2011 02:58 Vain wrote: Can you write out what information we get then? In my opinion that only creates more wifom On August 23 2011 03:30 xtfftc wrote: He (Vain) is saying that if we agree on one single target for a vigilante, mafia would know who to protect. @vain: you want an answer to your question? filter me. | ||
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There might be the possibility, that you're town and they hope we lynch you and defend you therefor to gain towncredit. | ||
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On August 23 2011 04:22 Vain wrote: wtf, you prefer me but lets just go for xtffc. Sounds logic. Now when its not xtffc you can always say"oh jeah i liked vain better" very convenient ??? Who will finally be lynched, will be decided at the end of the day. it's like ~18 hours left... | ||
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Doesn't convince me yet. If you keep analyzing people, i am willing to switch my vote on vain. I want to hear something about nard, vain, mig and kurumi please. Just your thoughts. | ||
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On August 23 2011 06:30 xtfftc wrote: Yes but in case he is mafia and knows that I am town, he'd be able to point the finger at my most vicious inquisitor. tell me about nard, mig and kurumi. | ||
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On August 23 2011 07:30 wherebugsgo wrote: We need to be careful. I feel like there's enough disorganization that townies are making too many mistakes. We can't have red herrings fuck us in the ass from just having everyone be suspicious. Paranoia will make us unfocused, and that lets mafia win. For now, I propose that we focus on 3 or fewer lynch targets. At the moment, I think xtfftc has the strongest case. After, I would say we can make pretty good cases for both Mig and nard. Vain we can leave alone for now, we can't really build a case on him when he hasn't said anything to begin with. Once we hear some opinions from the players who currently aren't here I think we can get talking some more. i totally agree with you. I was just about getting really paranoid. I don't understand the whole foolishness/mig/chaoser i know it's about meta etc. but why don't we just keep playing this out like usually. We have a pretty solid case against xtfftc based on his vote-patterns and his refuse to commentate on other suspects. | ||
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On August 23 2011 18:30 xtfftc wrote: Wall of text incoming: + Show Spoiler + On August 23 2011 11:37 Curu wrote: xtffc's "two town kills" slip definitely needs to be looked at, and I don't buy his defense. He describes town kills as kills that the Town makes, but that has absolutely nothing to do with modkills. Town does not control modkills, sick slip????? Of course townkills have nothing to do with modkills. Townkills are made by town, modkills by mods. What is the problem? On August 23 2011 08:49 GreYMisT wrote: I posted an analysis of a post by xfftc early on. here it is as well: And I already pointed out what was wrong with this: On August 23 2011 07:17 BrownBear wrote: This is interesting. Can't say it wasn't welcome at the time considering how much Palmar was tunnelling me, but I go back to it and it feels rather strange. He wants "one less player who throws meaningless accusations around" sounds a lot like he wants "no players throwing accusations around" because at that point Palmar was really the only guy who was putting any suspicion on anyone (there was the sevryn thing, but that wasn't born out of someone accusing sevryn, that was more born out of someone noticing a pretty obvious slip sevryn made). Thing is, if nobody's accusing anyone, that's a veeery pro-mafia atmosphere. I suppose from the other side, it could be seen as him wanting to clean up the thread a little bit, but generally, going for the guy with the most posts on day 1 means you want to make day 2 a lot quieter - not a very town-centric viewpoint unless the guy with the most posts is really obvious scum (which Palmar isn't). When you look at this post, you have to look at the context as well - what else was happening at this point of the game. The filter option is great but no statement should be considered without a background. I liked Palmer's strategy and decided to play along. Before my vote on Palmer (and the few other votes that followed), most of his accusations were one-liners. Afterwards, he presented a well-written case against you. It wasn't enough to get you lynched on day 1 but it was a start. On August 23 2011 07:17 BrownBear wrote: Pretty weak and short reasoning to change your opinion and jump on a bandwagon dude. At least your Palmar accusation had some balls behind it. Again, context. When I was asked about Sevryn, I said I wanted to read his response and to analyse his earlier posts further but I needed some time because I had to answer to a lot of other stuff as well. But Curu was not happy with this and said "I don't want a carefully crafted opinion or analysis, I want to know what you think about Sevyrn right now". I gave him that - and now apparently I am guilty for the very same reason. A little more explanation - but still not really any contribution. He wants to see the saga of me/DB/Palmar develop further... At that point it had pretty much settled into Palmar tunnelling me and Dropbear being mostly forgotten. DB was mostly forgotten but I wasn't happy with this. Shows a little bit of a lack of paying attention to the thread... at that point Sev wasn't a modkill candidate (unless the fact that he had voted but unvoted meant he would get modkilled, but I don't think that's how it works. If I'm wrong, then nvm.) Context. How can you seriously say that this shows "a lack of paying attention to the thread"?! Just read Wherebugsgo's post that I was replying to. The question is whether he will get modkilled enough to allow us another lynch target. Again, if anyone isn't paying attention, it is those who build cases against me. Also, there was no chance I was gonna get lynched at that point. After Sevryn, you were the one with most votes at the time ^^ Raises the concept of a no-lynch (this was in the period where everyone was thinking "wait a minute what if Sev's just dumb town?). It was just after midnight in Europe and the question was whether we should stick to Sevryn or unvote him. There wasn't time for anything else. It would be good to bear this in mind tonight as well because unless there are two strong candidates, a switch isn't going to happen in the last few hours before the deadline. So you're saying, instead of just voting and going to pass out, he voted late, then decided to switch for the guy you've been pushing all game... and this makes him scummy? I don't follow your logic at all, care to explain this one? No, he didn't decide to switch. Everyone else who was online was considering switching to Rayzor when Mig came in and voted for Sevryn. Although your case is much better thought through than the arguments against me presented by Supersoft, Quicksilver and Greymist, you have also overlooked quite a few of the facts. :/ I'd really appreciate it if Hiro answers to this: Well you could have asked me why it is that I don't want people throwing random accusations and I would have explained to you what is my stance on the issue. Why it is that you decided to vote before enquiring is beyond me. And finally, there is a limit to how much I can read and write. I can not keep on answering to the same accusations again and again and do a proper analysis of someone else at the same time. Those of you who are unhappy with my previous contributions might want to consider giving me a breather. why won't you tell us your thoughts about these people: nard, kurumi and mig. | ||
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Liquidite - Welcome to TL Mafia XLIV you are JimboSilvers, the retired serial killer, you now live at the old folks home, Paradise Lost, while the place is disgusting, you have adopted a philosophy of pacifism, so taking up the knife against the mafia is not an option, you can however still vote to kill mafia, be quick about getting them lynched so you can go back to sleeping and playing cards. | ||
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If you really are a DT and I got framed, you didn't do your homework. "Why would you feel the need to do this? It defeats the purpose of a pressure vote. It shows a lack of confidence in what he is saying. Why is pointing out that what you are doing is going to be met with criticism of it being stupid? Why would you want to emphasise poor play from yourself if you are town?" -DB Look at AA where I spend the whole first day defending myself because of the exact same thing. I was town btw. "hmm, sevryns behavior had something innocent in my eyes i don't know... Somehow I tend to buy that story... I mean the whole thing started like that: Basic situation: He knew Palmar from former games; and we all know that palmar played some good games for town recently - Palmar accuses DB; I jump on that wagon but declare it as a pressurevote. Varp shows up, says pressurevotes only work if you don't say it's a pressurevote (i 75% agree with that statement) Now the poor sevryn sees all this: he also wants to contribute something by pressurevoting, so he fakes his reason and follows varps advice and gets caught immediately... However that doesn't mean he's town." -SS that was exactly what I was thinking. Why shouldn't I post my thoughts. "yet he still ends up on sevryn because nard and xtfftc don't vote for him. " - DB yes because I wanted to make sure, that there will be a majority. And I wanted to have a majority early, because I wanted to prevent a random hectic voting at the end of the day. | ||
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On August 23 2011 21:49 Curu wrote: Well, all aboard the supersoft wagon. what the fuck, will you please think over that for a second? Whats a claimed DT check worth in a game with framers and Millers? There are like 4 possibilities: I am red and he's a DT I am green and he's red I am Miller and he's DT I am green and framed and he's DT If you hang me and i flip green you won't even have any informations about DB. Read over nards and xtfftcs posts. They are both scum. | ||
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... okay i have to correct myself: On August 23 2011 22:02 supersoft wrote: what the fuck, will you please think over that for a second? Whats a claimed DT check worth in a game with framers and Millers? There are like 4 possibilities: I am red and he's a DT I am green and he's red I am Miller and he's DT I am green and framed and he's DT If you hang me and i flip green you won't even have any informations about DB. Read over nards and xtfftcs posts. They are both scum. there are more than 4 possibilitys. He could be insane and every check returns guilty. | ||
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sane = normal DT insane = always the opposite paranoid = always red naive = always green he is not naive, so there is 1/3 of a chance, that I am scum if not miller/framed; 1/3 chance that I am town if not scum or miller and last but not least he may be paranoid and everything he says is worthless. Now let's get back to what we did before the claim. If DB really is a DT we have to wait another night and compare the results. | ||
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On August 23 2011 23:24 Erandorr wrote: Oh I got another idea. Could DB be a traitor? traitor would also make sense because a 1n1 trade traitor against townie is okay. | ||
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On August 23 2011 23:27 supersoft wrote: sane = normal DT insane = always the opposite paranoid = always red naive = always green is that correct? | ||
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On August 23 2011 23:42 Palmar wrote: Well to better understand it, what happens if Supersoft flips green? Do we lynch DropBear? if you lynch me based on that check it would be just stupid. As I pointed out, even if DB is a DT, the check doesn't give us anything. it's a null-tell. If you kill me, because you are all superdumb and don't see how the sane/insane/paranoid DT system works and i flip green or miller or even red you won't know anything about DB. You won't even know DB DT-class because of the possible framing and the possibility that he's paranoid. Maybe if I was red, you would know that he probably isn't red... Since I am green you won't even know that... Same thing if we lynch DB. Because of the possibility that I am framed or Miller, you won't know for sure what I am. long story short: The check is useless and doesn't give us any information about me and DB, even if you kill one of us. | ||
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I didn't say he's town for sure, I just said that I think we have better targets. I also defended foolishness after he got attacked for his hit/rb-claim and severyn. Filter me and you will see that I am telling the truth. I was the one who encouraged severyn to contribute. and WTF in a game with millers and framers and sane/insane/paranoid/naive-DTs you claim DT as a MEDIC WTF? do your homework next time! | ||
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On August 24 2011 00:41 DropBear wrote: I was suss as hell on supersoft, he kept defending Mig, Foolishness was voting Mig, I know Foolishness was a good guy, people were starting to unvote Mig, Mig was starting to push me and not many people were disputing it. I was getting pressure for my dodgy claim and I fold under pressure lol. I'm done discussing this, I fucked things up enough already. Sorry everyone. Let's get back to business people. ah i don't buy the whole story: to summarize your story: You think foolishness is town. He accuses mig therefor mig must be scum. I push for a different target than mig, therefor i must be scum, too?! why didn't you wait until tomorrow to accuse me? if xtfftc would have been lynched and flipped red, you would probably know that I am innocent despite defending mig. If my target flips green - okay I understand if you build a case against me then... And if mig dies and flips red, I'd understand it, too. But you don't know anything! Your whole theory bases on Foolishness being town. But guess what, even a townie can be wrong! Trusting that he's town doesn't mean you have to trust his decisions! i don't know... | ||
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On August 24 2011 01:09 DropBear wrote: Cos I'm an idiot. Can we drop it please. Forget it happened. Stop the derailment. Mafia will be laughin their arse off right now. Get back to scumhunting. RayzorFlash you have disappeared. ##Vote RayzorFlash we already discussed why xtfftc is a better target than rayzor. never mind... | ||
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On August 24 2011 03:40 Varpulis wrote: ebwop: DT checks him, if he's red, we trade 1 for 1 and have done with it. our DT checks are worthless until we find out whether they're sane or not. | ||
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On August 24 2011 04:12 xtfftc wrote: Does anyone have any observations on Chaos13? This morning I was suspicious of him but after he questioned DropBear's claim I am more inclined to believe that he is town. At the beginning of Day 1 he wrote passionately about town organisation and how a no-lynch is a tragedy and that it's Palmar's fault for leading town into this. + Show Spoiler + On August 20 2011 10:14 chaos13 wrote: The bolded is probably the scummiest thing about DB at the moment. You say that as if Palmar is confirmed town "I hope you didn't land vigi..." Any explanation for this? People keep complaining that the thread is disorganized and nothing proper is getting done. Who started all that? Palmar. Palmar as town is The Brother Leader and Guide of Town. I see absolutely none of that here. So far all he has done is cause mayhem and spam and disorganization and a generally very unhelpful pro-mafia atmosphere. In other words, that stops right fucking now. WE NEED TO BE ORGANIZED FOR THIS GAME TO WORK No lynches are very possible if we keep dicking around the way we have been, and no-lynches gain mafia a free night kill. So here's the deal. If you're going to vote someone, you explain why. Clearly. If you're going to accuse someone of being scum, you explain why you think they are mafia. Clearly. Any other behavior is anti-town and leads to spam and confusion. Let's cut out the spam, cut out the votes without explanation, cut out the troll posts, and cut out the one-liner arguments. My vote goes on the player who led town right into this shitstorm. ##Vote: Palmar Later, he basically repeated what he had already said. "We're gonna derp ourselves into a useless no-lynch today if this keeps up." This comes at the point when there are seven votes on Sevryn. + Show Spoiler + On August 20 2011 23:38 chaos13 wrote: We're gonna derp ourselves into a useless no-lynch today if this keeps up. This thread is a mess. I'm not sure on who thinks what of who any more because things are so muddled up with accusations everywhere and a complete lack of clarity in communication. Again, who started this? Palmar. When Sevryn confronted him that by voting Palmar he is directly helping the lynch of someone he believed was town, Chaos13 said: Only to change his decision an hour later with: He switched to Rayzor at the moment when everyone awake had to do it in order to remain unsuspicous and it was also clear that there would be a lynch no matter what. In case Rayzor is town, both lynchings are okay for mafia, so they lose nothing. Overall, hardly said anything useful all day long, yet he kept on going about how town is not organised and others aren't contributing. Also, I'm not happy with this bit: He goes on and on about how the other players bring nothing to the table and to do this he writes a whole paragraph that can be reduced to half a sentence. P.S. A reply to Curu's post from earlier today: + Show Spoiler + On August 23 2011 20:42 Curu wrote: You posted about "we need to get two town kills." That's taken to mean killing two townies - you tried to explain it away by saying town kills are kills controlled by the town = lynch and modkill. I pointed out modkill is not controlled by the Town, you agree with me. So...what did you mean by town kill? I see now. The town already wanted to kill Sevryn when Wherebugsgo suggested that he is likely to be modkilled. So even though he would have technically been killed by a mod, it was going to be what the majority wanted. You said you were suspicious of him this morning? Why didn't you share write it down in the thread then? This defense comes out of the nowhere. There are two possibilities. Either you are scum and you want to protect your scumbuddy. Or you are scum, you know you will die tonight, so you defend someone, because you want us to believe he's scum, too. after you flip red. | ||
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On August 24 2011 04:23 xtfftc wrote: To be fair, I was online all day but there were like five new posts every time I refreshed and I felt that there was enough spam without my help. At one point I thought that DropBear was DT but had suddenly realised that he might be insane or paranoid. Hence he wanted to lynch the person he checked on Night 1 to find out whether he is sane or not before picking up a target for Night 2. But then he came back to confess. share your thought about nard and kurumi please. I asked you about these guys like 10 times and you never answered. You don't have to be upset because I vote for you. It's nothing personal, I just think that you are scum. You never ever accuse anyone in here, just like nard, you just keep summarizing what happens... | ||
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On August 20 2011 05:09 xtfftc wrote: ##Vote: Palmar He obviously had something in mind and there's no way he wasn't aware of how his accusations would be perceived by the rest of us. However, his strategy hasn't benefited town by now. He has until the deadline to convince me to vote DropBear or BrownBear. If nothing meaningful comes out of the discussion initiated by him, I'd rather have one less player who throws arbitrary accusations around. I'd also like to point out that it shouldn't be that difficult to convince me to switch to DropBear, considering DropBear's behaviour. i prefer a townie arbitrary throwing accusations over a dead one. On August 21 2011 02:54 xtfftc wrote: If I don't answer QuickSilver, people will claim that I have nothing to say in my defense. I am still waiting for this one. You have a tendency to ignore accusations towards you. No bad strategy... if you're scum! Because you don't have to share any informations. On August 21 2011 03:24 xtfftc wrote: By the way, I have to apologise to supersoft - I just noticed that I didn't post in the voting thread, which was probably the reason he put me on his list (although it's still kind of sloppy). So I'm going to vote after Sevryn defends himself. Palmar, DropBear and BrownBear are a story that has to develop further. Why don't you just vote him until he convincingly defends himself? You knew he was town - scum knows best - so you waited a little bit... I want to add, in a majoritylynchsystem it's actually bad to hold back your vote. Because the earlier there is a majority, the earlier the real pressure builds on the lynchtargets and they share their information and they start to defend themselves... That's the problem with your lynch. You're just ignoring it. If there was a majority you couldn't ignore it that easy.... anyway... On August 21 2011 04:42 xtfftc wrote: My gut says supersoft and QuickSilver but my gut is biased and wants those who go after me dead ^^ Although Supersoft being so cautious when defending Sevryn and yet so aggressive against me and his earlier bandwagonning is something worth remembering. I want to hear more from DropBear and BlackBear. I do not find DropBear particularly suspicious but he still has to answer the questions raised. BlackBear is suspicious (going too agressively against inactive players, some random accusations) and, unlike DropBear, is a target we might get a majority for. Hiro, judging by the OP I think we have about 6 hours left. accusing Quicksilver the vig, that built a reasonable case against you. And you also attack DB slightly but very careful. You don't really care, your vote will remain on severyn the VT anyway. __________ okay well I wanted to comment more, but seriously, filter this guy... he is so scummy... He doesn't answer questions he doesn't like and he summarizes the action... He doesn't accuse anyone and he defends chaos13. Also a really scummy fellow in my eyes... go vote him already. On August 24 2011 04:42 xtfftc wrote: I've taken no offense. As I already said, although I am happy to answer anyone else's questions, I find your obsession detrimental to town's play. I did answer a lot of your accusations in detail and I also answered QuickSilver, Wherebugsgo, and BrownBear's - and yet instead of commenting on what I said, you just come up with new questions. If you contribute with something, I'd be inclined to spend more time on you. pffff | ||
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On August 24 2011 05:02 Foolishness wrote: Mafia very frequently kill those who are suspicious of them day 1. Quicksilver made a solid post against him if I remember correctly. No, before someone chimes in about my first sentence, I'm not basing an accusation of him based off that. Nor am I using that as sufficient proof that hiro is mafia. I'm pointing out the facts. he also accused xtfftc. | ||
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On August 24 2011 05:25 xtfftc wrote: Yet again you prove that you don't actually bother reading carefully. I already answered to these. After I posted this "I'm going to vote after Sevryn defends himself", you read this as a proof that we were both mafia and I was trying to defend Sevryn. Now you claim that I knew he was town because I was mafia, yet I decided to attract additional attention to myself by not voting for him. Make up your mind already. 1. I did not accuse QuickSilver. 2. It was Day 1; QuickSilver's role has absolutely no relevance whatsoever - and I already pointed this out to you last time I replied to it. Right after I wrote a post about what I found suspicious in Chaos13's behaviour and attempted to start a discussion about him... Last time you posted about me you said there was no obvious tell that I was mafia. Care to explain why you changed your mind? congratulation you successfully dodged my question about your opinion on kurumi and nard again. | ||
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On August 24 2011 05:37 Kurumi wrote: supersoft, maybe instead of asking xtfftc over and over again what he thinks about me and nard, maybe voice Your own opinion? oh wait You can't outsmart the Your day1 and night1 play was different from how I know you from former games and you kept lurking large periods of time. day2 was more what I expected out of you, but I started asking him at about day1, so i still insist on his comment on you. Nard on the other hand plays similar to xtfftc - if he does anything - he summarizes and accuses and defends people but only very quietly. He's most likely scum. I just want to ask him out about people I find exceptionally scummy. The more people he comments on, the more information we get when he dies and flips red. If he's green he has nothing to hide. Because of that it's very scummy if he just dodges these questions. | ||
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I just want to prevent another mislynch. You refused to listen to me at day1. I believe I was one of the few people that questioned sevs guilt right from the start. And I didn't do it to gain towncredit later on. I actually tried to prevent the lynch and I encouraged him to contribute. I am afraid that the same thing will happen again. 14 Votes needed for a majority. Mafia only needs to convince 8 people out of the remaining 21. | ||
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On August 24 2011 05:39 Kurumi wrote: There's a link between hiro and supersoft too. I would like to remind You that vigilantes have one shot, so lurker shot might not be always the best option | ||
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On August 24 2011 10:08 nard wrote: here are my notes on hiro, will read up on Mig now. i have no idea what agenda hiro is pushing, except a way to obvious scummy one. Hiro: -tries to get a bandwagon for rayzor going, but does not pursue it on day2, saying there are better targets today but not naming em: -lots of one-liners, asking questions but refuting to answer questions directed at him (before he got pressured) -only real case he makes is against DB after fake DT claim, lame arguments though http://www.teamliquid.net/forum/viewmessage.php?topic_id=254174&user=43447&user=43447 -jumps back to sheepmode in a ridiculous way, makes only sense for someone desperate -defends Mig and is all around the place: 4-8 accusations without anything backing it up, and 13 minutes later full switch on Mig Adds another accusation on top lol -offers to vote himself to get a lynch… if he is scum he won’t follow through, if he is town he shouldn’t do it just to get a confirmed , dead townie. -instant switch to chaos13 after palmar proposal without him ever typing out his name before.. -vet claim just before night? Even though he himself wrote before: tank you for confirming my accusation on you. You're 100% scum as well as xtfftc. This town plays horribly, I don't know why everyone only listens to the fucking scumteam. I am okay with lynching xtfftc, chaos13, Kurumi and nard. But I won't lynch hiro. Even if I provoke a no lynch. I don't want to be the scumteams instrument to kill another poor townie for a horrible reason. Come on Kurumi! Shoot me with your fakeclaimed "vigi" "hammer" tonight, for sharing my honest thoughts about this. | ||
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On August 24 2011 10:17 Mig wrote: Super look for a minute at hiro's claim lol. He says he should die instead of me. Then 15 min later posts claiming vet and says he should live? And he never posted his flavor text. Why do you think that is? you only want to save your own ass. hiro isn't playing good, but he tries to be useful and he voted reasonably up to this point. I don't blindly trust him, but compared to the guys I named, he's like the greenest bro in town from my point of view. ofc I could be wrong. But right now I have no reason to vote him. He even tried to save severyn who was pretty much like 90% town for me at day1. I have no reason to lynch him earlier than other people. If he really is scum, noone would be harmed if we kill the obvious targets before. + All my mainsuspects have their vote on him right now. If he really is mafia, I would have to turn around completely... Really, I don't know who is mafia if they're not. | ||
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On August 24 2011 10:43 nard wrote: you're freaking hilarious. has there been a post from me which you didn't quote and reply a "you're 100% scum okthx" without ANY reasoning behind it? i guess i can be lucky that you decided to quote me instead of twisting my words around like you did with my first post. hiro: a self-vote? why in heavens.. this makes no sense from any perspective at all. if you are town, try to defend yourself properly instead of making sure you get lynched. if you're scum... do the same lol. filter me. actually i described my reasons for my suspicion towards you several times. But reading is nothing you scumplayers like that much. Just like your buddy xtfftc. He also refuses to read my posts. | ||
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On August 24 2011 10:47 hiro protagonist wrote: Liquidite- Welcome to TL Mafia XLIV you are, Jimmy the town doctor despite your issue with gambling you only wish the best for the town, unfortunately you are powerless against the terrible wounds the cultists inflict, however you are still able to vote. Kill the cultists as quickly as you can so you can get back to healing the sick Liquidite - Welcome to TL Mafia XLIV you are JimboSilvers, the retired serial killer, you now live at the old folks home, Paradise Lost, while the place is disgusting, you have adopted a philosophy of pacifism, so taking up the knife against the mafia is not an option, you can however still vote to kill mafia, be quick about getting them lynched so you can go back to sleeping and playing cards. hm... strange comma after are and a missing fullstop... pff it's too late anyways... | ||
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On August 24 2011 10:51 Mig wrote: We are 1 vote away from majority with 10min left. Super/foolish? If you guys don't vote it's going to be no lynch. Considering hiro lied about his role claim lynch has to be better. the only reason why i would vote him, is to avoid endless discussions about him and myself tomorrow. That's the only reason. | ||
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Seriously, not all of you can be scum. I think we have one major problem here: People don't think by themselves. But I don't understand why... it's so easy to filter someone, it's so easy to look at the voting behavior... Please shoot nard, xtfftc or chaos13 tonight. | ||
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On August 24 2011 18:07 Palmar wrote: Reverse psychology time. Every time I tell you idiots someone is town, you go ahead and lynch him. So here is a list of townies. 80-100% chance of being town BrownBear is town Chaos13 is town Erandorr is town Vain is town Nard is town Curu is town Kurumi is town You should never lynch into this list, because that'd be stupid. Honorable menitons go to: Varpulis Pyo haha i support this! my townlist: nard xtfftc chaos13 kurumi mig brownbear all fellow townies. DO NOT LYNCH! probably scum: foolish and DB... the others I was sure that they were scum already got lynched =) On August 24 2011 19:01 Lucidity wrote: Your reluctance to vote for hiro after his fake claim absolutely screams scum to me. You knew he was innocent when all evidence pointed to the contrary. Only scum know that. You were more keen on a mislynch than voting hiro... Explain this please: Can't believe he was green though -.- stop it. That's not even funny anymore. People like you ruined this game. I tried to save townies two times in a row. Also I pushed for lynching scum two times in a row. Sadly you preferred to follow the scumteam. | ||
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On August 24 2011 19:23 Lucidity wrote: You believed hiro's Vet claim. I don't think your judgment this game is that great. Trying to introduce chaos13 as the new lynch candidate 2 hours before deadline was also a blunder. If anyone is not thinking, it is you. Based on the previous game I played with you I expected more from you... That's worrying me. You're a joke. If you expect something from palmar, you have to give him the chance to prove himself. Consequently you have to vote for his targets. You were wrong two times now. How can you claim that palmars judgement isn't that great, while your judgement isn't existing. One additional word to your accusations towards me: You didn't see that hiro was green, because you're just not smart enough. This is nothing personal or whatever, but if you don't see that the wagon on hero came out of the nowhere and builded up exceptionally fast, with noone reasoning his decision, I can't help you. | ||
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I don't care. I lost every interest in this game. I am one of the few townplayers that puts some thinking and effort in this game, I had the right feeling about severyn and hiro and noone wanted to hear my arguments. I presented alternative lynchtargets two times in a row. I provided reasonable explanations for my decisions. Why on earth should I do all that if I were scum. This town is in a mess, you guys revengevote for former votes on you; you guys don't read the thread; you guys lie about your roles (Hi DB). You know how I would play as scum? Read nards posts. I would do exactly that. Sit back and wait, summarize what happens and vote for the poor townie at the end of the day. That's what I would do. | ||
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On August 24 2011 19:38 Lucidity wrote: Like I've explained before, I did not pay attention to the thread this weekend. I logged on and voted to make sure there was a lynch. I had no idea what the merits of the lynch was. It's difficult to judge what I would have done though, because when I started reading the thread I already knew Sevryn was green. I'd like to think that I would have tried to move the vote off of Sevryn, but I can't say. I'm liking your OMGUS/Palmar impression too btw. Too bad you can't vote? Now try explaining the posts I quoted instead of attacking my intelligence? no. NO. You can't be serious! You weren't there and didn't read the thread, but you judge me based on my last two or three posts? Ragepost incoming. I better quit TL.net now, because I might not be allowed to ever visit this site again if I stay now. | ||
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On August 24 2011 19:43 wherebugsgo wrote: You put some thinking/effort into the game? If you're so much smarter than us why don't you share your brilliant analysis with the town every once in a while? Oh right, cause you're scum and you don't actually vote based on evidence...just preknowledge. hahahahaha, I will remind you of this post at the end of the game. | ||
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On August 24 2011 19:44 Palmar wrote: I'm scum because I'm right, lol I'm not saying town is stupid, I'm saying it's my own fault for not explaining my arguments in a good enough manner to prevent town from doing stupid shit. Basically, at this point you're either town hiding the fact that you're not objectively reading the thread behind claiming hiro and sevryn are bad, or you're scum trying to do look like you're doing exactly that. I have been leaning town on you for a while, I simply think your reasons were wrong. Being wrong is fine, being okay with being wrong is good town play, but we also need to be objective instead of emotional. Read the entire thing again with the knowledge you have now. You should find things a bit more clear. I'm not giving up, and at some point people will listen. :-( you're right. We can't blame them if they don't understand us... You're right, it's up to us to convince them. I just overestimated them, and I am mad at myself for letting a situation like this happen. | ||
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On August 25 2011 05:12 Kurumi wrote: I totally don't need medic protect as vigilante ;u; sob if you really are vigilante, what I don't think you are, shoot nard, chaos13 or xtfftc. | ||
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On August 25 2011 07:41 BrownBear wrote: After the way your last trap turned out, I have to say, you better have some damn good arguments. or what? Do your scumbuddys shoot him, if he doesn't provide a good analysis? Why do you threaten him? Right now, he's pretty green. If you were town, you should try to be useful, rather than just survive. | ||
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On August 25 2011 11:08 Kurumi wrote: Palmar-Mig-hiro protagonist-supersoft circle was worrying me. Palmar was clearly cluttering the thread when the day was about to end also he aimed to a no-lynch. I feared that supersoft could've been scum doc'd if there is one present. Lack of RB is just wifom. Someone wants to claim rb? _________ Btw, supersoft earns my vote. He said nothing from his own perspective and always parrotted/sheeped Palmar. I will talk about it a little bit more when it is not 4am. Okay you obviously didn't read the thread. I sheeped Palmar one single time at the start of the game to initiate any action because nothing was going on. It was completely random, that I picked Palmars accuses on DB. As I said before I just wanted to initiate any discussion. On August 19 2011 18:39 supersoft wrote: okay well, it's not exactly pressure what i wanted to achieve, i think it's more like get this game going. but you're right. Maybe it's not good to explain everything you do. ________________ After that I started to accuse xtfftc. [QUOTE]On August 20 2011 07:53 supersoft wrote: [QUOTE]On August 20 2011 07:38 BrownBear wrote: [QUOTE]On August 20 2011 05:09 xtfftc wrote: ##Vote: Palmar He obviously had something in mind and there's no way he wasn't aware of how his accusations would be perceived by the rest of us. However, his strategy hasn't benefited town by now. He has until the deadline to convince me to vote DropBear or BrownBear. If nothing meaningful comes out of the discussion initiated by him, I'd rather have one less player who throws arbitrary accusations around. I'd also like to point out that it shouldn't be that difficult to convince me to switch to DropBear, considering DropBear's behaviour. [/QUOTE] ah, okay I understand, you vote for palmar, not because you think he's scum, but because he didn't convince you to vote for DB. This is scumlogic. Town doesn't vote people for playing bad. Town votes for scum. Compared to DP, who proposed some really useless plans like this unnecessary mayorthing, your stuff seems more scummy to me. ##unvote ##vote: xtfftc[/QUOTE] after that I defended severyn right when the accuses against him began. At the same time I encouraged people to vote, because I think it's good to see early where the majority of the votes will probably go. It's just better for the discussion in my eyes. Otherwise there are hectic voteswitches at the end of the day and the whole thing is just a lot more random, but noone would listen. Especially the dear members of our scumteam xtfftc and nard. Consequently, because my both mainsuspects at this point of time didn't vote for severyn, I voted him because I doubted his innocence at this moment. + Show Spoiler + On August 21 2011 03:33 supersoft wrote: perfect, xtfftc and nard both refuse to vote for sevryn and say they want to wait until he defends himself. There is no reason not to vote him until he defends himself. Not only does this behavior back up my doubts on your innocence. But it also changes my mind about sevryn. Since noone is going to follow my vote on xtfftc who is my primetarget I am going to switch on sevryn. When I realized, that he wouldn't defend himself, I told him to get up and do something, what was very important, because if he were scum, we would get more informations out of him: + Show Spoiler + On August 21 2011 08:22 supersoft wrote: sevryn, if you are innocent, defend yourself. it's not too late. If you are town, you should try to. Only scum doesn't self-defend, because they could give away important information to the town. Prove your innocence by contributing a lot! If not, we may end this day now. You got about 15 votes - counted without the people that claimed to switch their votes to achieve a majoritysituation. On August 21 2011 08:27 supersoft wrote: good god, you're such a douche. Why exactly do you even play this game? "awww there are 15 votes on me and the day ends in 5 hours - okay i give up" He defended himself and jackal proposed another target: Rayzorflash The case against RayzorFlash was much better and I tryed to swing the votes from sev to him. people who agreed me there were: Sevryn (dead town) Jackal58 (dead town) supersoft Foolishness Trotske (now iGrok) Navillus hiro protagonist (dead town) wherebugsgo varpulis curu hiro (dead town) I believe amongst those people, there is probably no scum - and rayzorflash is probably scum. I believe the scumteam stayed afk there. ANYWAY: Day2 started and people started accusing mig. I wasn't sure about him (and still aren't) so i tried to get a discussion about the rayzorflash incident going. In the progress xtfftc crossed my way again: [QUOTE]On August 23 2011 03:52 supersoft wrote: funny how xtfftc, vain and rayzorflash defend each other ;-) [QUOTE]On August 23 2011 02:58 Vain wrote: [QUOTE]On August 23 2011 02:44 supersoft wrote: why don't we lynch RayzorFlash? He's probably gotten coached and his death would give us a lot of information to work with...[/QUOTE] Can you write out what information we get then? In my opinion that only creates more wifom[/QUOTE] [QUOTE]On August 23 2011 03:30 xtfftc wrote: He (Vain) is saying that if we agree on one single target for a vigilante, mafia would know who to protect.[/QUOTE] @vain: you want an answer to your question? filter me. [/QUOTE] after that the stupid DB thing happened and I had to explain why the DT-checks are worthless. I gave away my role in that thing... I still am VT. when the DB thing was over with him claiming medic etc. I went back on xtfftc because he refused to answer my questions about other players I was suspicious of like nard. Suddenly people went on hiro. I didn't understand this badwagon and I still don't. I told you so and refused to vote him: [QUOTE]On August 24 2011 05:30 supersoft wrote: i believe hero is innocent and mafia is superhappy because they save xtfftc today... at least i am schocked how fast that hiro bandwagon started out of the nowhere...[/QUOTE] i admit, I could have explained my reasons a little bit better, but basically thats it. ah no I also remebered that hiro helped with the severyn/rayzorflash thing and I didn't want to lynch anyone from that rayzorflahsvoting-list. turned out I was correct. now people hate me for pushing lynches on scum and defending townies. *clap* | ||
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Cult Assassin (Scum Vigilante) armed with a single unholy dagger, the assassin is equipped to bring down even the strongest of foes. Starting after night 1 the assassin may fire his only dagger at a target. This counts as a single kp. so he isn't confirmed at all. This whole thing "I expected SS to be scummedicprotected" etc. I don't buy it. He thought he could accuse me easier than Palmar that's it. I believe if Kurumi was town, he would have been shooting someone else that isn't as active as Palmar and I. | ||
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On August 26 2011 04:06 VisceraEyes wrote: Mig - in my opinion, you're using the 'lynchpin' of who can prove that scum 'tried' to divert the lynch off you when that doesn't really matter. What you're not taking into account is that if town is doing it for them, they don't have to. They can want something to happen, subtly do things, without specifically and obviously 'trying' to do something. ESPECIALLY since MOST of the people on xtc lynch (imo) are town. This vote divert thing says nothing: There were several people that didn't vote anyone until the fakecheck on me / hirowagon appeared. - chaos13 was the first one who jumped on me right after DB claimed that I was red. And he didn't vote anyone before. - RayzorFlash had his vote at hiro right from the beginning. - Vain jumped on hiro without voting anyone before. - Nard suddenly showed up at the very end and put his vote on hiro. - Also Mig and xtfftc didn't vote each other. _______________ Conclusion I am convinced both are scum. That would explain the townies on xtfftc. further reasoning: Noone of them joined the RayzorFlash-lynch-attempt at day1. Mig and vain even argued against it. So can we please lynch one of these guys: xtfftc, mig, chaos13, nard, rayzorflash, vain I'd like to lynch Rayzorflash, because his redflip would give us a lot of informations about the people that voted him day1 and the people who didn't. Also RayzorFlashs red-flip would put even more suspicion on Mig. And if he really is town, he could try to prove it until day4. because of that: ##vote: Rayzorflash | ||
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But we have to stay focussed. The guys mentioned above are, judged by their votepattern and overall behavior, much scummier than him. We cannot afford another mislynch. Please listen to me. If I made a mistake in my logic, please show it to me. Right now, I am pretty damn sure about what I said in my last post. | ||
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On August 26 2011 05:09 iGrok wrote: Who is on the Kurumi-wagon? I'm still for lynching Mig. Please note that I didn't switch my vote. sorry, i obviously misunderstood you. | ||
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On August 26 2011 04:30 supersoft wrote: This vote divert thing says nothing: There were several people that didn't vote anyone until the fakecheck on me / hirowagon appeared. - chaos13 was the first one who jumped on me right after DB claimed that I was red. And he didn't vote anyone before. - RayzorFlash had his vote at hiro right from the beginning. - Vain jumped on hiro without voting anyone before. - Nard suddenly showed up at the very end and put his vote on hiro. - Also Mig and xtfftc didn't vote each other. _______________ Conclusion I am convinced both are scum. That would explain the townies on xtfftc. further reasoning: Noone of them joined the RayzorFlash-lynch-attempt at day1. Mig and vain even argued against it. So can we please lynch one of these guys: xtfftc, mig, chaos13, nard, rayzorflash, vain I'd like to lynch Rayzorflash, because his redflip would give us a lot of informations about the people that voted him day1 and the people who didn't. Also RayzorFlashs red-flip would put even more suspicion on Mig. And if he really is town, he could try to prove it until day4. because of that: ##vote: Rayzorflash I want to add, that noone except chaos13 and mig (who accused each other) have voted today or posted. That fact strengthens my suspicion especially on mig. Migs vote on chaos13 may very well be an attempt to sacrifice a less active player in favour of his life and credibility. Since noone is up for a Rayzorflashlynch, I vote for mig. Who knows if we find a majority for him tomorrow. ##unvote ##vote: mig | ||
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On August 26 2011 06:20 iGrok wrote: Glad to see that you agree chaoser. Mig is lynched today, and will flip red. Unless anyone else objects, we can now talk about what that means? Does Mig flipping red confirm Rayzor as red? I don't think so (though I do think that Rayzor is red). Does Mig flipping confirm BrownBear as red? Does Mig flipping confirm supersoft as a red? @supersoft: ...a lot of people have posted besides those two. P.S. If anyone else caught why Kuru is scum, say so. I'm not revealing it yet so I can use it later. Rayzor, BrownBear, supersoft - if you've got a defense I'd like to hear it. Particularly BrownBear, you've said little regarding Foolishness' accusations. xtfftc, mig, chaos13, nard, rayzorflash, vain ah yes xtfftc made one huge post about kurumi. Nard rayzor and vain didn't vote and didn't post. Rayzor has one post now. Contains nothing but an excuse why he was afk. and i why exactly should I defend myself? And against what? I posted a huge post 2 pages earlier in which I explained everything I did this game. Next time read my fucking posts before you post any nonsense about me. | ||
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Don't vote me, accuse me, talk to me or anything if you didn't read these posts! My explanationpost with correct quotelines: + Show Spoiler + On August 25 2011 11:08 Kurumi wrote: Palmar-Mig-hiro protagonist-supersoft circle was worrying me. Palmar was clearly cluttering the thread when the day was about to end also he aimed to a no-lynch. I feared that supersoft could've been scum doc'd if there is one present. Lack of RB is just wifom. Someone wants to claim rb? _________ Btw, supersoft earns my vote. He said nothing from his own perspective and always parrotted/sheeped Palmar. I will talk about it a little bit more when it is not 4am. Okay you obviously didn't read the thread. I sheeped Palmar one single time at the start of the game to initiate any action because nothing was going on. It was completely random, that I picked Palmars accuses on DB. As I said before I just wanted to initiate any discussion. On August 19 2011 18:39 supersoft wrote: okay well, it's not exactly pressure what i wanted to achieve, i think it's more like get this game going. but you're right. Maybe it's not good to explain everything you do. ________________ After that I started to accuse xtfftc. On August 20 2011 07:53 supersoft wrote: ah, okay I understand, you vote for palmar, not because you think he's scum, but because he didn't convince you to vote for DB. This is scumlogic. Town doesn't vote people for playing bad. Town votes for scum. Compared to DP, who proposed some really useless plans like this unnecessary mayorthing, your stuff seems more scummy to me. ##unvote ##vote: xtfftc after that I defended severyn right when the accuses against him began. At the same time I encouraged people to vote, because I think it's good to see early where the majority of the votes will probably go. It's just better for the discussion in my eyes. Otherwise there are hectic voteswitches at the end of the day and the whole thing is just a lot more random, but noone would listen. Especially the dear members of our scumteam xtfftc and nard. Consequently, because my both mainsuspects at this point of time didn't vote for severyn, I voted him because I doubted his innocence at this moment. + Show Spoiler + On August 21 2011 03:33 supersoft wrote: perfect, xtfftc and nard both refuse to vote for sevryn and say they want to wait until he defends himself. There is no reason not to vote him until he defends himself. Not only does this behavior back up my doubts on your innocence. But it also changes my mind about sevryn. Since noone is going to follow my vote on xtfftc who is my primetarget I am going to switch on sevryn. When I realized, that he wouldn't defend himself, I told him to get up and do something, what was very important, because if he were scum, we would get more informations out of him: + Show Spoiler + On August 21 2011 08:22 supersoft wrote: sevryn, if you are innocent, defend yourself. it's not too late. If you are town, you should try to. Only scum doesn't self-defend, because they could give away important information to the town. Prove your innocence by contributing a lot! If not, we may end this day now. You got about 15 votes - counted without the people that claimed to switch their votes to achieve a majoritysituation. On August 21 2011 08:27 supersoft wrote: good god, you're such a douche. Why exactly do you even play this game? "awww there are 15 votes on me and the day ends in 5 hours - okay i give up" He defended himself and jackal proposed another target: Rayzorflash The case against RayzorFlash was much better and I tryed to swing the votes from sev to him. people who agreed me there were: Sevryn (dead town) Jackal58 (dead town) supersoft Foolishness Trotske (now iGrok) Navillus hiro protagonist (dead town) wherebugsgo varpulis curu hiro (dead town) I believe amongst those people, there is probably no scum - and rayzorflash is probably scum. I believe the scumteam stayed afk there. ANYWAY: Day2 started and people started accusing mig. I wasn't sure about him (and still aren't) so i tried to get a discussion about the rayzorflash incident going. In the progress xtfftc crossed my way again: On August 23 2011 03:52 supersoft wrote: funny how xtfftc, vain and rayzorflash defend each other ;-) @vain: you want an answer to your question? filter me. after that the stupid DB thing happened and I had to explain why the DT-checks are worthless. I gave away my role in that thing... I still am VT. when the DB thing was over with him claiming medic etc. I went back on xtfftc because he refused to answer my questions about other players I was suspicious of like nard. Suddenly people went on hiro. I didn't understand this badwagon and I still don't. I told you so and refused to vote him: On August 24 2011 05:30 supersoft wrote: i believe hero is innocent and mafia is superhappy because they save xtfftc today... at least i am schocked how fast that hiro bandwagon started out of the nowhere... i admit, I could have explained my reasons a little bit better, but basically thats it. ah no I also remebered that hiro helped with the severyn/rayzorflash thing and I didn't want to lynch anyone from that rayzorflahsvoting-list. turned out I was correct. now people hate me for pushing lynches on scum and defending townies. *clap* Another attempt to explain why mig isn't my first target: + Show Spoiler + On August 26 2011 04:06 VisceraEyes wrote: Mig - in my opinion, you're using the 'lynchpin' of who can prove that scum 'tried' to divert the lynch off you when that doesn't really matter. What you're not taking into account is that if town is doing it for them, they don't have to. They can want something to happen, subtly do things, without specifically and obviously 'trying' to do something. ESPECIALLY since MOST of the people on xtc lynch (imo) are town. This vote divert thing says nothing: There were several people that didn't vote anyone until the fakecheck on me / hirowagon appeared. - chaos13 was the first one who jumped on me right after DB claimed that I was red. And he didn't vote anyone before. - RayzorFlash had his vote at hiro right from the beginning. - Vain jumped on hiro without voting anyone before. - Nard suddenly showed up at the very end and put his vote on hiro. - Also Mig and xtfftc didn't vote each other. _______________ Conclusion I am convinced both are scum. That would explain the townies on xtfftc. further reasoning: Noone of them joined the RayzorFlash-lynch-attempt at day1. Mig and vain even argued against it. So can we please lynch one of these guys: xtfftc, mig, chaos13, nard, rayzorflash, vain I'd like to lynch Rayzorflash, because his redflip would give us a lot of informations about the people that voted him day1 and the people who didn't. Also RayzorFlashs red-flip would put even more suspicion on Mig. And if he really is town, he could try to prove it until day4. because of that: ##vote: Rayzorflash | ||
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On August 26 2011 06:33 Foolishness wrote: It's still early, while BrownBear hasn't responded yet I'm not worried about him dodging this one =P I'd still like to hear what people think of the inactive list I posted earlier. Eventually we will have to start hunting in there so it's best to generate some discussion about it now while we're waiting for people to come back and/or respond to the accusations. 1) nard 2) lucidity 3) Trotske okay I overlooked lucidity, he did basically the same as my other targets. He may very well replace on of them on my scumlist. - he voted for severyn day1 and wasn't there for the lynchattempt of rayzorflash - he didn't vote xtfftc or mig but jumped on the hirowagon ________ Trotske/iGrok was there to lynch RayzorFlash, so I think he's rather town than scum since my scumlist already contains 7 people with equal scumminess | ||
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assumption: If mig really was town, mafia wants to kill him, since he's an experienced player and his death would cause a lot of trouble. people that voted mig: Foolishness - confirmed by DBs death chaoser - I have a townread Jackal58 - green DropBear - blue Varpulis - at least he tried to get RayzorFlash down Curu - i have a strong town read on him + Show Spoiler + (awesome post above! I 100% agree with you there, you developed my theory of xtfftc and mig being both scum very well!) probably no scummember voted him conclusion: scum didn't want to kill mig, he can't be town. | ||
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On August 26 2011 07:14 Curu wrote: And I don't agree with that assumption supersoft, a Town Mig is not a hot kill target because: 1) He's suspected 2) If Mig were to die and flip Town xtfftc would very likely be turbolynched There are many reasonable explanations for why Mig, if he is Town, was untouched by Mafia. I don't think that should be used as any indication. hmm you're right. However at least I think it's strange that absolutely no scum voted him. (assuming that I am correct with my judgements over these people) As for xtfftc who refuses to vote for mig and prefers to go for kurumi; I think it might be possible that he underestimates the case against him. Therefor he tries to establish another target with a huge post to peel of votes from mig. At the point of time when he accused kurumi, I already posted that kurumi might be scum because of the possibility of a acum vigilante. So he wasn't completely alone with that. | ||
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Only if you flip blue he's probably red. If he flips green, you're probably red _____ conclusion: Only mig flipping blue gives us any information. chaos13 gives us nothing about mig. | ||
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On August 26 2011 19:17 Mig wrote: I was more suspicious of chaos than BB? Not exactly rocket science. Super instead of lynching me for information. Look at everything I have done. Look at everything chaos has done and determine who is scum. If you think I planned out this gambit from last night killing jackal then breadcrumbing just so I could fake claim to kill chaos then go ahead and lynch me. I don't want to lynch you for information. I posted my reasosn for lynching you in like 3 big fat postings earlier in the thread. I just pointed out, that you are not confirmed blue if chaos13 flips red. | ||
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On August 26 2011 19:32 xtfftc wrote: This is a response to Curu's ealier post, spoilered because discussing Mig's claim is priority at the moment. + Show Spoiler + Oh, wow. Curu and Supersoft appear simultaneously 36 hours before the deadline and announce that I have refused to vote for Mig, although there are 15 others who haven't at the time. Wow. Okay, here goes. Curu, I addressed my early policy posts already: I wasn't advocating lurking; I was advocating against lynching lurkers. Please read my responses to the previous cases build against me before re-posting the same accusations. If you have anything to say about me responses, great - but completely ignoring the responces reveals that you didn't build a proper case. Then in the VERY SAME POST, he tells Foolishness to consider that Palmar is scum. When called out by Foolishness, he is very adamant in pointing out he did not accuse Foolishness of being Mafia and drops the topic completely rather than trying to argue his point (which was a giant contradiction anyways). I didn't say Palmar was mafia; I said that Foolishness shouldn't rule out the possibility simply because of meta arguments - so there was no other point to argue for. This was also the time when I was trying to motivate Palmar to get his act straight instead of disorganising town. There is no contradiction in my actions. I really don’t understand what is going on in here at all. Okay, I will explain it to you then. I wasn't arguing that Palmar was mafia; I wanted to motivate Palmar to be more constructive because I thought - and still do - that he had a good lead against BrownBear. A townie voting for him is can serve as a wake-up call. And soon after Palmar posted a well-written and rather convincing case. Similarly, DropBear was mentioned because his mayor campaign was rather stupid and I was hoping to incite him to get his act together. My concern was obviously justified as his DT claim on Day 2 was even worse than what he did on Day 1. Out of the three, BrownBear was the only one I was actually suspicious of. When I asked him to tell me right then and there what he felt about Sevyrn, he said Mafia. The thing is, if he was already so sure in his mind that Sevyrn was Mafia, why was his vote not there? No, when you asked me, I said I'd like to spend time analysing and wanted to wait for Sevyrn to defend himself before taking a stance on his alignment. When you pushed me to give you an immediate answer, I said that I think him to be mafia. How convenient of you to forget my initial reply. Will gladly answer questions but won’t offer them unprompted by himself. I had to spend a lot of time defending myself and couldn't provide enough analysis - but I started doing it as soon as things around me quieted down a bit. I posted a few things I think were overlooked by others and I also said that I am willing to answer all questions. Obviously, there is a limit to how much I can read and post. He was very ready and willing to put his vote into Mig when he has never played with Mig before. This is what I said about Mig: Sure. I'm still just as suspicious of Rayzor as I saw two days ago. His defense ("would a mafia say this?") did not convince me because he was in a position when he had to say something like this. However, just like to days ago, I think that he is someone who should be pressured to talk more until he makes another mistake or we are convinced he is town. Even if he is mafia, he is not particularly dangerous at the moment because he can not influence the town at the moment. This is why at the moment I'd go for Mig. Although he improved after his early post about Sevryn, he did not provide anything substantial. Also, although a lot of people casted their vote for Sevryn and then went to bed, Mig did it in in the middle tha attempted switch to Rayzor. I would like you to point me to the post where I was "very ready and willing to put" my vote into Mig - or to declare that you made a mistake in your analysis. As a side-note, I still maintain the same position on Rayzor. He has gone into lurking/afk mode, which doesn't help his cause. Quick to claim credit in case Rayzor flipped Mafia. Context, please. I said this after being asked by Supersoft (who was supposedly providing deep analysis of my posts) about my opinion on Rayzor - although I had already posted about Rayzor earlier. He calls Hiro a 100% confirmed Townie (I think under the assumption that Hiro’s self vote would show he is a Townie, but then why not try to convince people not to lynch Hiro?), Okay, really? Hiro says that he is willing to vote for himself even though he is town. Therefore, Hiro knows that he is 100% town - hence my question. I didn't say that I thought he was 100% town, I said that if he is town, he knows it and shouldn't vote for himself no matter what. If both were to be scum though, I don't understand xtfftc avoiding Mig's wagon like the plague today, a red Mig flip would relieve a lot of pressure on him. A lot of people are lurking much more than me, yet if I don't jump on the wagon immediately, I am apparently avoiding it. You could have at least given me the time to join it or avoid it. Not even a single mention of lynching Mig, instead actually chainsawing Mig’s attackers. Kurumi was after Supersoft; you are just making up stuff again. Who did I "chainsaw" apart from him? The only thing I can't see is both of them being Town since votes probably would've consolidated on one of them in that case, there was no need for scum to try to oppose either one. I don't see the logic behind this. It's not like there were 20 votes for us, there were less than 10 combined. On August 26 2011 07:22 supersoft wrote: hmm you're right. However at least I think it's strange that absolutely no scum voted him. (assuming that I am correct with my judgements over these people) As for xtfftc who refuses to vote for mig and prefers to go for kurumi; I think it might be possible that he underestimates the case against him. Therefor he tries to establish another target with a huge post to peel of votes from mig. At the point of time when he accused kurumi, I already posted that kurumi might be scum because of the possibility of a acum vigilante. So he wasn't completely alone with that. How dare I post an analysis on a suspicious player 44 hours before the deadline... And apparently I have refused to vote for Mig. Extremely suspicious indeed. Not at all like voting for Rayzor and changing your vote for Mig an hour and four posts later with this as reasoning: Since noone is up for a Rayzorflashlynch, I vote for mig. Who knows if we find a majority for him tomorrow. "Oh, wow. Curu and Supersoft appear simultaneously 36 hours before the deadline and announce that I have refused to vote for Mig, although there are 15 others who haven't at the time. Wow." There are exactly 7 people that refused to vote for rayzorflahs at day1 and also didn't vote either you or mig at day2 You are one of them. I have been suspicious of most of them earlier and with different reasons. Kurumi is not one of them. You accused him, that strengthens my concerns. Until I am proven wrong by mig, rayzor or you flipping green, I continue to push this. Your vote on mig at this point of time doesn't change anything. You know I have something good against you there. That's the reason, why you're talking to me again. Thank you. | ||
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On August 27 2011 00:30 Foolishness wrote: We can always just kill BrownBear and settle this Mig thing tomorrow. My case against BrownBear still stands as he hasn't even posted yet today, and he's only got 11 hours before day ends. I do believe that Mig is lying, but part of me feels that we should just take the safest option here. If he's indeed the tracker, it will force the mafia to roleblock him (or they risk him finding a mafia so once he does die we will know who to lynch). Of course we will make him check whoever we want (Pyo). I also do not believe chaos13 to be mafia. And Mig you never commented about my lurker list. I agree with you to take the safest option, but i'd prefer rayzorflash for that job. | ||
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On August 27 2011 01:29 Curu wrote: Right, but you had this: Actually this makes you look worse if Mig flips red, since you commented on your next leading wagon but never actually voted. Two scum wagons on day 2 is a very real possibility. Thanks for pointing that out for me, I missed it the first time around. Why is this thread so dead... dude, that's what I was talking about the whole time! the thread is dead because we actually stopped being idiots and now lynch someone with an actual reason and not only because he made one silly post (hi sev/hiro-voters) and Palmar is dead. I like the atmosphere in the thread - the huge posts and the constructive discussions going on etc. I feel like we're on the right track. | ||
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Actually I thought about it and I have to say I am lynching noone instead of mig today. We discussed this lynch pretty decently. And if we try to find new target now just because he claimed to be tracker, it will end in a mess. You know, what would you do if you're accused like mig and GM offers you a fakerole... Of course he's a tracker. This is the most valuable role we got except for vigilantes... I don't believe him and his claim... it doesn't change anything, this specific role casts even more suspicion over him :-[ | ||
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On August 27 2011 08:28 Lucidity wrote: ROFL supersoft, don't think i've forgotten about you. I'm coming for you son. I am absolutely not afraid at all. On August 27 2011 08:49 Lucidity wrote: A quick summary of why Mig > BB would be great thanks. because you didn't even read the thread. ___________ I have done my homework and I won't let no scum die today. | ||
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On August 27 2011 09:56 Vain wrote: Fuuuuuuuuuuu, i almost forgot this thing. yeah, Mig needs to be lynched and then BB i hope i'm right now:\ Vote: Mig ah interesting, do you want to lynch BB no matter what Migs alignment is? | ||
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nard and lucidity are extremly suspicious for either not reading the thread or - what I believe - trying to peel votes of Mig to get a nolynch. (ofc lucidity switched later on and nard promised to be there to switch if necessary) I still believe xtfftc is scum because of his Kurumianalysis today. vain voting mig at the end of the day without providing anything. ________ further similarities amongst these people: Noone of them voted RayzorFlash at day1; Noone of them voted either mig or xtfftc at day2. thoughts on BB he's probably scum, too. my statement at the end of the day was supposed to end the discussion and make sure, mig dies. I was extremely aftraid, that our doubts lead us to something stupid :D | ||
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On August 27 2011 19:54 Lucidity wrote: If you were trying to save your skin as a townie by only releasing info 1 minute before deadline I think you've screwed it up. You've painted a huge target on your back by promising to prove that Kurumi is scum, so the timing of your information doesn't matter anymore I think. If you're town you already killed yourself by implying that you're blue. Could you explain why you say I haven't read the thread? Or how I was pushing for a no lynch? Also, I couldn't vote for any of those candidates because I wasn't there. Stop using my early afk'ness as a reason to push motives that don't exist. Also, I'm down with a RayzorFlash --> scumatlarge (or the other way around) lynch. If iGrok's information on Kurumi turns out to be good then I believe supersoft is almost certainly scum as well. I'll post my reasoning later. On August 27 2011 08:49 Lucidity wrote: A quick summary of why Mig > BB would be great thanks. lol | ||
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As I see, you agree with the rayzorflashlynch tomorrow am I right? Let's see who dies tonight and what rayzor flips tomorrow okay? You're like the number 5-6 on my scumlist, reason for that is purely your votingbehaviour. You may very well be unluckily ended up on the wrong wagons like 3 times in a row. Let's just lynch RayzorFlash. After that, we see we have to discuss who's next. my number 2 and 3 are still nard and xtfftc. | ||
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On August 28 2011 02:05 xtfftc wrote: Besides everything already said on Rayzor, Mig defended him when we tried to switch from Sevryn. At 10:22 Foolishness wrote: + Show Spoiler + On August 21 2011 10:22 Foolishness wrote: Does anyone think a scum would say such a thing? Especially considering he said this when everyone was voting for Sevryn? And Mig jumped on the opportunity immediately: + Show Spoiler + On August 21 2011 10:34 Mig wrote: Meh did you guys see the post foolish quoted? This is rayzor's first ever game if he were mafia would he really put himself out there like that if he knew sevryn was green? Seems to be the opposite of how most new mafia players would play. I am going to stick with sevryn. My opinion on Rayzor's willingness to be lynched in case Sevryn flips green hasn't changed: he had to do it; backtracking would have made him even more suspicious. So why was Mig willing to remind us of what Foolishness had already said and support the lynch of a townie? P. S. Wherebugsgo, why do you think that Kurumi is town? And does anyone else have a stance on it? to be fair, you didn't vote him either. | ||
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On August 28 2011 03:58 nard wrote: i will even respond to you supersoft, under 1 condition: make a coherent accusation as you wish. :-] | ||
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On August 28 2011 04:18 Lucidity wrote: Cool scumbuddy exchange guys. :-] Better read the thread than posting stupid oneliners that distract towns attention. | ||
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we lynch him today and vain tomorrow. i was suspicious of this fellow right from the beginning! let's win this game. | ||
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On August 28 2011 20:56 nard wrote: Liquidite- Welcome to TL Mafia XLIV you are Lysander, the retired paladin, you used to be one of the toughest people around, exterminating cults, killing deamons, and generally fighting evil. That was a long time ago though, by now the arthritis has set in and your old wounds ache, not to mention the fact you are constrained to a wheelchair. Still, the true power of a paladin is in his iron will, and you still have that. Your unflinching resolve and your vote shall be your weapons against the cult. so i guess i'm a nosy neighbor? of course anything i say now is kinda suspicious.please think it through though - a third townie lynch will hurt us so bad i don't think we can recover from it. do we have some other way of confirming me? maybe chaoser or better, somebody unclaimed as chaoser won't survive for long i guess. anyway like i wrote yesterday, i will be actively monitoring the thread in the following hours and am ready to respond to your stuff. On August 28 2011 21:55 chaos13 wrote: nard is 100% mafia. Foolish would not have missed considering all the possibilities. He had to have watched someone who died, and nard was the ONLY person visiting them. There can be no mistake here. A 100% confirmed watcher has given us a 100% confirmed mafia game over nard | ||
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On August 28 2011 22:33 nard wrote: does this mean there is a godfather in the game? how many options are possible? 1: im scum. 2: im a nosy neighbor and the setup includes a godfather 3: ?? oh scum made their homework. Indeed if you randomly visited the poor guy who was killed by the godfather, there might be a chance that you're innocent. But even if there was a GF, chances that you randomly visit the guy who gets killed by him are so low! Mafia also can't chose who visits whom. mafia kills 3 people out of about 18. Depending which night foolish chose to check you. one of them get's killed by the GF. noisys randomly visit 1 guy out of 24 including scum?! the chances that you're visiting someone who gets killed are like 1/8 and the chance that you visit the guy who gets killed by the GF are like 1/3*1/8=1/24 scum | ||
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On August 28 2011 23:34 Barundar wrote: Seriusly. Foolishness flipped watcher. The way it works is you check someone you think will get hit, ie. someone you think is town, like as a medic. You don't get to choose a suspect to check, but if your target dies, and only one person visits, it's pretty much certain scum. Hence it's almost guaranteed that Foolishness didn't check BB. Why would he check his suspect? And if he had gotten a result where only BB visited someone who died, I'm sure he would have told us. oh yes sorry. okay I have to reconsider that... maybe he watched himself and BB and nard roleblocked and tried to kill him? | ||
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Several people claimed it over and over again, that my accusations are lacking real arguments and because of that they won't answer me. They even refused to talk about certain people just because i asked them to do so. | ||
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On August 29 2011 03:50 Lucidity wrote: 1. You defended BB with no reasoning behind it. "He's 100% innocent". 2. You even tried to use Foolishness' death now to prove BB's innocence. That's just desperate. 1. I wanted to make sure nothing stupid happens 2. yeah i didn't do that. I wanted to know whether foolishness had checked him or not, because he posted this huge bearhuntpost. And yes, I still believe Kurumi is innocent. And just for the record: I accused Nard, Rayzor, xtfftc, vain and you. Reason, you didn't vote for Rayzor day1 and you didn't vote on mig or xtfftc day2 Some of you even didn't vote mig at day3. Thats my reason, short and convincing. At least in my eyes. | ||
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On August 29 2011 04:37 Lucidity wrote: What do you make of the "You's" in Kurumi's role claim? don't care, maybe he wrote it, maybe not. If he was mafia, GM would have written him a fakeroletext etc. as for your who and how etc. So far I was right with my guesses. mig was red, nard and vain probably are, too All three of them are on my list. if they are scum, i have a really nice quote since I only consider rayzorflash scummier than vain. i told you, that you are not the #1 on my list. but you are on that list and BB isn't. if rayzor or xtfftc flip green my list would change drmatically, but right now i don't see how they're town. Both of them contribute nothing but distraction. | ||
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On August 29 2011 04:50 supersoft wrote: yeah but obviously i sacrifice 3 of my fellow scumteammembers to gain towncredit, after trying to save 2 townies from dying day1 and 2. ah wait and if rayzor is red, I tryed to get one of my scumteammembers lynched instead of a townie! i did an excellent job there for my team. | ||
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On August 29 2011 13:02 VisceraEyes wrote: Why am I suddenly Mafia? I haven't been paying this game enough attention admittedly, but I wouldn't say to a scummy degree. I've voted honestly and I wouldn't say unjustly. What's the case against me exactly? I am not sure, but I think they're trying to confuse us. I think vain should die. And Rayzorflash right after him. | ||
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On August 31 2011 18:21 Pyo wrote: DING DING DING, we have a winrar. I know I had been lurking a bunch as I tried to figure out my sanity, but once chaoser came out and claimed, I knew I was a naive DT (every check, including Vain, has returned green) xtfftc returned green. I figured the best I could do was try to draw the hit away from chaoser or at least put off the death of a confirmed sane DT for another day. I am not quite sure what to make of both of us still being alive and neither of us being role blocked - my guess is that they were hunting for a medic. I believe you there, however your plan was complete shit. Why didn't you just post your flavortext, your checks and (edited) results. Ofc mafia wouldn't kill you, if you act scummy as hell and refuse to give your results. | ||
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1. Lucidity 2. chaos13 3. ghrur replaced by Barundar 4. xtfftc 5. Erandorr 6. RayzorFlash 7. darkponcho replaced by VisceraEyes 8. Vain 9. chaoser 10. supersoft 11. Navillus 12. Curu 13. Pyo 14. Kurumi | ||
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since the end of like day3 or something i don't think that your posts indicate that you're scum. But I still have no real explanation for the votings that happened on day2. Maybe I read too much in there, and BB flipping red also weakens my case against you. I believed that mig and you are both scum, because on mig was no scum and mig/nard didn't vote you either. I am not 100% sure anymore... Also vain, yes i think he's green. And he was a suspect of mine because he refusd to switch on rayzor. But that doesn't change my attitude towards rayzor. I still think that he's scum. I will post something about the players that i think are town for sure. since I don't want them to get shot, I'll post that tomorrow. | ||
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On September 04 2011 09:31 RayzorFlash wrote: I was suspicious of chaoser's claim ever since he actually claimed it, check my earlier posts. The longer he stays alive without providing more "useful" information, the more suspicious I get.Especially because of the initial timing of his claim, added to the new information about bum being framer, and in his two nights since then he hasn't provided anything useful except for being roleblocked, and Kurumi coming up green which could be misdirection itself I'm also inclined to think Pyo and Navillus are scum, Pyo because of the horribly bad claim, and Navillus because of how hard he's been lurking despite being the one to propose the lurker list in the first place Would be up to vote for either Pyo, Nav, or Chaoser today, based on who's closer to majority. For now that would be ##Vote: Pyo aha cool. you agree with pyo that chaoser might ne scum, however you don't vote chaoser and you vote pyo. ##vote rayzorflash | ||
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On September 05 2011 00:10 chaoser wrote: Why are you not comfortable with pyo's lynch? Who would you rather vote? He's not going to flip DT. wtf why is chaoser next if pyo flips DT? | ||
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Kurumi xtfftc Erandorr Vain chaoser supersoft Curu ________ 3 scum against 5 townies -2 nightkills :-( this looks so grim for us. | ||
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On September 06 2011 15:48 xtfftc wrote:  lol i am so sorry :D at least i saved your ass by suspecting you until now... | ||
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and in theory there is a 50/50 chance to kill scum tonight (if we kill anyone except me), I won't post any further thoughts about this game until 1 minute before the night ends. Because I don't want to give away any information to the scumteam who they should shoot. | ||
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+ Show Spoiler + On August 24 2011 19:45 supersoft wrote: hahahahaha, I will remind you of this post at the end of the game. lul sorry for that. all in all i played poorly. i didnt see chaoser being scum :-/ for me this BB framed vain thing just made perfect sense. wp it was nearly impossible for us to win at the end. rayzor smd pyo couldnt convince me and kurumi. they even thought we were scum... erandorr was pretty confirmed scum. we should have lynched him first. | ||
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in the spoilters | ||
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