TL Mafia XLIV

On August 19 2011 09:32 Kurumi wrote:

If Navillus answers incorrectly or does not respond till 9:45 KST You can answer it.

On August 19 2011 18:56 Erandorr wrote:
Oh and lastly we should at least try to keep the fluff out of the posts. There were so many posts were you could esentially drop more then half of the text without losing any of its meaning.
For some people this will be TL:DR

On August 19 2011 22:08 Kurumi wrote:

Random fingering does not help the town.
-_-

On August 20 2011 03:16 DropBear wrote:
Ok so the thread so far consists of people making riddles, silly accusations and parrotting "lurkers are bad". This shit needs to stop. Noone has said ANYTHING of value yet.

I made a post about this but the issue was ignored so here goes.

On August 20 2011 03:10 Palmar wrote:
And of course Nard's post is hella scummy if you flip town, it means he's trying to set me up as a follow up lynch, which is potentially really good for mafia.

On August 20 2011 09:57 Foolishness wrote:
I say we don't kill Palmar today. His goofy attitude can easily be explained that he's town. He just claimed mafia in Personality (let's say he's not lying), which means he just played two games as mafia recently: Personality and PTP2. Both games he attempted to be normal and blend in; there wasn't any of this odd posting. I don't think he would radically change his style like this if he was mafia again.

Going to start the count because I know it's coming:
# people who accuse me of defending my scumbuddy: 0

On August 20 2011 17:20 Palmar wrote:
I think it's kinda scummy to call out Curu on using fuck twice in the same sentence while you have this in your signature...

"life of lively to live to life of full life thx to shield battery"

By the way, BrownBear is the person I want dead today. I'm not sure how to interpret what Foolishness is saying, but at least he's right.

On August 21 2011 03:58 hiro protagonist wrote:
Voting Sevryn for now, as a no lynch is bad.

how much time is there before the day ends

On August 21 2011 06:42 GreYMisT wrote:


It stands for "Wine in front of me" its from the movie princess bride. Though i dont understand it completely myself, its a situation that arises that is confusing because of circular logic, for example if bob is being tunneled and the person tunneling him dies at night, you could say well he must be mafia. but the mafia would want you to think that so what if they killed the tunneller to frame bob. but what if bob knew that....

if anyone has an explination that makes more sense please post it

On August 21 2011 05:44 Jackal58 wrote:

Which choice is that?

I'm unvoting Sevryn. As I previously stated he has not set off any bells with what he had posted but by his disappearance.

On August 22 2011 02:13 Curu wrote:
Don't do that Palmar. We've had one mislynch, this game is far from over. At least you don't have to deal with 99999 post restrictions this game.

On August 24 2011 07:02 Pyo wrote:
had no internet for a day... im caught up to page 55, gonna place my vote on Mig, but i might change it if I finish reading the thread before the deadline.

On August 24 2011 21:42 Palmar wrote:
Do I have to go back to find the post?

He wrote a big post about simply being fed up with mafia. I believed him because I've played quite a bit with Mig, enough to know that it's very unlike him to try and use excuses like that if he was scum. He's much more likely to be genuine and be town.

In addition, his posting dramatically improved in the latter half of the last tday.

On August 25 2011 17:14 Mig wrote:

Jackal was convinced chaos was scum and 100% would have followed along with palmar's plan to lynch chaos today. Pretty good motivation to kill someone.

I am hunting you down chaos!

On August 25 2011 20:56 chaos13 wrote:
Oh and in case nobody has realized, we are at LYLO right now.

Seems strange with 21 players left, but 6 mafia vs. 15 town with 3 kills each night. If we don't get mafia today it's only a matter of time til it's done.

On August 28 2011 11:11 chaoser wrote:
Alright guys, since foolishness has fallen, I fear soon for my life...

I am a DT

Inquisitor - welcome to TL Mafia XLIV you are High Inquisitor Scarn, here in liquidia on independent assignment to lead the actions against the cult. You are perhaps the oldest living inquisitor, and with age comes experience and wisdom . You scorn weapons as below the dignity of an Inquisitor, instead you will use your investigative abilities to crush the cult.You may check a player each night and see if he is Innocent or Guilty . Be cautious however, ever since you took a blow to the head while facing off against the Deamon Lord Sepultus in the ancient abandoned temple of the burning flame you have been unsure of the reliability of your investigative abilities and even of your grasp on reality.

I checked Mig night one and got back guilty which is why I've been on his ass for so long. To check my own sanity I checked Foolishness night two and got back green so I know I'm sane. When mig flipped red it proved it beyond a doubt. I checked vain last night and got back [r]red[/r]. I say we lynch vain today over since I'm more sure of his scumminess over nard's.

EDITTED: in exactly how my pm looks

On August 30 2011 14:16 wherebugsgo wrote:


What info does lynching vain give us?

I can't see at any point, where vain has been linked to anyone. Lynching bum first will tell us Pyo is almost definitely mafia.

I guess it's just a formality on that, since if we think bum is mafia we don't need to see him flip to know Pyo is mafia, but w/e.

Also, if we lynch bum first and he turns out to be the framer then what?

Translation here:

"I assumed that we could lynch vain, who I framed, so that he would flip green. Then we could lynch chaoser tomorrow, and because I'm mafia I know he'd flip blue. During the night we'd kill two other townies in the case vain gets lynched.

However, I don't give a shit because I know they're both town, so we can lynch nard instead of vain, chaoser will die tonight in this case and then we do a mislynch anyway tomorrow by lynching vain."

On August 31 2011 00:51 Barundar wrote:
You are a dt... Who thinks that his prime suspect is the godfather... lol

So who did you check what nights and have you established your sanity? And why would you claim during nighttime when no mafia in their right mind would ever shoot the most hardcore lurker?

On August 31 2011 01:02 Barundar wrote:

Yea vain is mafia, but wbg is clear town. Pyo just outted himself in an attempt to get him killed.

On August 31 2011 00:55 chaos13 wrote:
I'm not liking the skepticism on Vain. It sprung up out of nowhere with very little explanation. I'm thinking mafia is behind it.

On August 31 2011 01:19 Barundar wrote:
Shitiest fake claim I've ever seen. At least give us the results of said checks.

And while you are here, I'd love to hear your thoughts on Bumatlarge, Vain, Kurumi and Rayzorflash please.

On August 31 2011 01:43 supersoft wrote:
this looks like a DB-DT-claim to me. Fake and extremely distracting.

On August 31 2011 15:09 Barundar wrote:
The only thing that bothers me about Pyo is he claim DT at night, which could be a shitty attempt of trying to draw a hit, which I didn't consider before I called BS on it. But that would mean he had to write his flavor text himself, since GM only give fake flavor to mafia, and the flavor text looks very convincing. I'm leaning mafia on him unless he make a bloody good case for his innocence.

I've been ignoring VE for a long time, but I like WBG's points against him upon re-reading. I'll have to look more into him, but we might end up at a point where he is simply the only one left I don't have a town read on .

Btw why the hell is mafia not RB'ing you?

On August 31 2011 22:09 supersoft wrote:
well, i am not sure about BB. I think we should stick to vain who is in my eves definetely scummier.
my mafialist is:

xtfftc, rayzorflash, vain, BB

On September 01 2011 07:23 chaoser wrote:
Case For Pyo:

Pyo has posted very little, most of which have been either responses to other player's ideas, rewordings of what others have said or questions. He never took any opinions of his own and hasn't contributed to town in the least, merely posting but not actually posting.

But the thing I want to focus the most on is his DT Claim. In his first part of his claim yesterday, he states:





Which all seem to paint a picture that he knows exactly what sanity he is (sane). He even says he checked Vain and his result agreed with mine, suggesting that he was a sane DT and his checks were correct.

What doesn't make sense is that when I stated that I checked Vain and he came out red, Pyo came up right behind the idea and voted for Vain, even though the previous day he had checked Vain himself and gotten green (since he now claims he is a naive DT). Even if he wasn't sure of his sanity, you'd think he'd be a least a little bit wary of what I said But he got behind me as quickly as I claimed, pushing for Vain to be lynched. Even now he pushes for vain's lynch even though wherebugsgo has posted his tracker list that highly suggests that bum is indeed a framer (now I understand why wherebugsgo was so sure of that argument). This added to the fact that he refused to give us his results, claimed DT at night to try to shape today's lynch to go towards Vain, and continue to push the idea after wherebugsgo has given us his track list, suggests that he is mafia pushing for a vain mislynch. We'll know for certain after this day's lynch cycle if there is a framer flip but I suggest a lynch for Pyo on the next day cycle.

On August 31 2011 10:57 wherebugsgo wrote:
hmm...

foolishness ?
mig -----> jackal
bum -----> vain
??

I shall vote bum.

+ Show Spoiler +

On September 01 2011 22:51 xtfftc wrote:

Why would mafia post this during nighttime and then kill WBG? Surely if mafia wanted us to believe Pyo's claim, they would have kept WBG alive or told Pyo to accuse someone else. The only way I see for both BB/Bum and Pyo to be mafia is that they are constantly arguing with each other with the hope that after one of them flips red, the other will have more town cred. But the DT claim still doesn't make sense.. If BB/Bum flips red tonight, I'd be inclined to give Pyo some more time.

On September 01 2011 22:51 xtfftc wrote:
Pyo put more effort into justifying his plan than in executing the plan itself - and it sounds to me as if the idea only occured to him after some of us suggested that he was trying to draw the attention away from somebody else. He also refused to comment on Kurumi, whom I am still suspicious of.

On September 02 2011 00:51 Barundar wrote:
Pyo you still haven't given your last check (the one from last night).

On September 03 2011 03:06 Curu wrote:


Oh look, he doesn't want BrownBear dead.

On September 03 2011 03:06 Curu wrote:


I'm confused. What do you mean by this? What exactly has changed that would warrant you changing your vote? The only thing I can see is that he's received the critical mass to actually have a lynch so he'll get lynched even if you change your vote. Are you trying to cover your tracks for if/when he flips green?

On September 03 2011 03:06 Curu wrote:
He does vote for Mig but very reluctantly and with "buts" all over the place. While voting for Mig in this post, he also tries to tell us to find someone else to lynch because he doesn't think Mig will get a majority:

On September 02 2011 03:05 Curu wrote:
Just got back from my trip to Montreal, still a little hungover.

I'd like to lynch bum then Pyo, remember that thing I typed way back when DB fakeclaimed DT about how claiming naive/insane DT is a great play for Mafia? Yeah. Convenient that the claim comes out after he's finally being called out for lurking all game and how it perfectly gives him an excuse to be a lurker.



If bum flips red I'm pretty sure Pyo is red too, especially if Vain is Town (he was one of the first/only to vote Vain over nard). Also this is the dumbest reason to soft defend anyone I've ever seen.

On September 01 2011 21:44 bumatlarge wrote:
Et tu pyo?

On September 03 2011 11:13 chaoser wrote:
Mafia's at 3 players right now, if we lynch another mafia today then they'll be at 1 kp. Would they want to kill 1 dude today or 2 dudes today? Think about it.

On September 03 2011 21:01 Jackal58 wrote:

Someday I hope to still be playing on page 110.

On September 03 2011 17:01 xtfftc wrote:

I am now way more comfortable with lynching Rayzor than I was before.

On September 03 2011 17:01 xtfftc wrote:

You just defended Chaoser after Rayzor's attempt to compromise him and now you make a 180° turn. You stated that Rayzor is a likely red; then you checked him and got innocent back, which made you think that you are naive indeed - and then completely forgot about your suspect and decided to join him in discrediting Chaoser?

On September 03 2011 17:01 xtfftc wrote:
A DT wants to confirm their sanity as soon as possible. Chaoser confirming himself on Night 2 was not convenient - it was imperative. You fake-claimed and this is why you are "pretty sure" that you are naive on Day 6.

On September 03 2011 17:01 xtfftc wrote:

Why would a townie not want to help us reach the correct conclussions? And then why would the said townie spent most of their long post on defending himself instead of actually contributing?

On September 03 2011 17:01 xtfftc wrote:

I did actually read the thread before posting my analysis on you earlier. Palmar had five posts about BB already: 1 2 3 4 5, yet you only reacted to the last one. Curu was correct to point this out as mafia behaviour.

On August 20 2011 03:51 Palmar wrote:
Also, you seem to be advocating lynching lurkers quite heavily. Care to elaborate on that?

On August 20 2011 03:53 Palmar wrote:
I just want to point out I now think Brownbear is scum too.

On August 20 2011 03:53 Palmar wrote:
I bolded the scum-logic part.

On August 20 2011 04:05 Palmar wrote:
Well, I read that as any scummy asshole with a plan is going to get a free bye on day 1, because you want to lynch someone inactive?
Or does, the free pass on making plans and blanket statements to avoid the lynch only extend to a specific pool of people?

On September 03 2011 17:01 xtfftc wrote:

You were willing to lynch a townie to confirm yourself as being a naive (i.e. useless) DT?

On September 04 2011 09:31 RayzorFlash wrote:
I was suspicious of chaoser's claim ever since he actually claimed it, check my earlier posts. The longer he stays alive without providing more "useful" information, the more suspicious I get.Especially because of the initial timing of his claim, added to the new information about bum being framer, and in his two nights since then he hasn't provided anything useful except for being roleblocked, and Kurumi coming up green which could be misdirection itself

I'm also inclined to think Pyo and Navillus are scum, Pyo because of the horribly bad claim, and Navillus because of how hard he's been lurking despite being the one to propose the lurker list in the first place

Would be up to vote for either Pyo, Nav, or Chaoser today, based on who's closer to majority. For now that would be

##Vote: Pyo

On September 04 2011 15:16 supersoft wrote:
pyo isn't a good target. His claim was pretty stange, but i don't think scum would claim like that.
He wasn't under pressure at that time. However it's correct, that his voting behaviour and his checks don't make any sense...
hmm

On September 04 2011 19:06 xtfftc wrote:
Just pick one of your suspects and do a more in-depth analysis. If you are town, you ought to help us catch the mafia. + Show Spoiler +

On September 04 2011 22:47 chaoser wrote:


By call out BB and Mig do you mean this post?



Cause that's not calling them out. He even backtracks on what he's saying. "Foolishness had a good post on BB, and he's probably town, but that doesn't mean he's right."

He never calls anyone out, never gives us any of his own analysis, and always votes by following others. Aside from his vote on mig, which could have just been bussing since at that point (Day 3) mig was pretty much going to be lynched (Foolishness and I were hardcore pushing for it by then), he really hasn't done anything "pro-town". Add in his claim and I'm 90% sure he's mafia.

On September 04 2011 22:56 Pyo wrote:


And we have another person who either can't read or is choosing not to... and my vote on mig was bussing? given that it was the 5th of the 14 required to lynch him? Right. You are so obviously scum, it's too bad no one here is willing to pay any attention to it.

On September 05 2011 01:44 chaoser wrote:


I was never confirmed as a DT because the only real way to be 100% confirmed is to die. My "confirmation" only comes from the fact that

1) I pushed for mig's lynch from day 1

2) foolishness said he read through every one of my past games and thought I was town:
http://www.teamliquid.net/forum/viewmessage.php?topic_id=254174&currentpage=50#1000

and

3) My play so far has been "pro-town". Barundar caught wherebugsgo's last post and I reasoned and then argued with a few people that it's best to lynch bum because that gives us info on vain. (Vain btw is probably confirmed if you trust my check on him since I checked him, got red, and bum visited/framed him.)

On August 23 2011 12:33 chaoser wrote:
@mig, the only reason I'm not 100% all over your ass right now is because no one is coming to defend you at all which strikes me as odd and a bit doubtful of myself. I will continue to think on the matter

On September 05 2011 11:58 RayzorFlash wrote:
3 modkills... At least it'll be an interesting day post, even though there wasnt a lynch... We fell one vote short, xtfftc being the last one to switch from Pyo over to me causing a no lynch

WTF xt, I havent thought you were scummy since any point after day 2, but this makes me reconsider it

On September 05 2011 14:45 Curu wrote:
Wow what

THE

HELL

Are you kidding me?

Oh look Pyo posts fishing for the Traitor to claim the night before lylo.

On September 05 2011 14:47 RayzorFlash wrote:


Thats only if you arent scum, lol.

On September 05 2011 16:04 supersoft wrote:
Pyo
Kurumi
xtfftc
Erandorr
Vain
chaoser
supersoft
Curu
________

3 scum against 5 townies -2 nightkills

:-( this looks so grim for us.

On September 06 2011 22:35 Kurumi wrote:
we have 2 dts and we are killing the one which gave us a red lynch?

On September 07 2011 08:29 GMarshal wrote:

Day 7 Votecount

chaoser
RayzorFlash
Pyo

RayzorFlash (5)
chaoser
RayzorFlash
Curu
supersoft
Kurumi

Erandorr(1)
Pyo

With 7 alive it takes 4 to lynch. RayzorFlash has a majority with 5 votes.

On September 07 2011 11:22 Pyo wrote:
hmm... lol I totally thought that the game ended today.

If you need any more proof that erandorr is scum:







If there are 7 alive and 5 votes on rayzor, that means that there's at least 1 vote on Rayzor by a scum. That means that Rayzor can't be an actual scum!!!! Take your votes off of him townies - come on guys even if we're doomed to lose, don't lose because you're flat out retarded... unless there are 3 traitors and GM is just fucking with me, in which case, touché.

On September 07 2011 12:13 Curu wrote:
The many ways you try to spin Rayzor as not scum is incredible. At least I don't have to think it's chaoser anymore.

Let me explain to you why your reasoning is faulty. It's lylo for Town, not scum. So if the scumteam was going to go try to save Rayzor and try to go for a win today, they would've told the third member to bus Rayzor rather than give up both. Because lynching Rayzor doesn't lose the game for them, it just removes on of their three chances.

On September 08 2011 11:09 Curu wrote:
Hey Pyo

You hear them footsteps?

They roarin' like thunder cause we comin' for you