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On January 13 2012 15:17 Mr. Wiggles wrote: My campaign is to not make a campaign post, because they're all the same (except for foolishness' so far), and they're all useless. I think this adequately describes nearly every mayoral post we will see in this game. So, Foolishness, why do you think that Bill Murray is easier to read than any other player in the game? What games has he played, where he's shown his worth as a townie? I've only played with him twice, and they weren't exactly demonstrative of awesome play, but I don't think he was trying that hard. IIRC, Foolishness is one of the few people that actually....supports BM? Besides myself of course. And when you know BM...You just know BM...He's not that difficult of a read. (for Wiggs and Kita) I just think its rather funny Foolishness is pushing for someone else to be mayor, when he himself dies like almost every Day one. I would rather just vote for Foolishness to be completely honest, but Kitaman as of right now is who I'm thinking of. Past games I've played with him we was pretty damned good, and he's actually wanting the position. Are you planning on be really active Foolishness? Also, I probably need to go to fucking bed, 1:30EST and I work at 7...-_- | ||
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On January 14 2012 04:15 BloodyC0bbler wrote: I will out my first mason shortly, I want the debate to however move towards how to deal with masons as a whole. I say this because you know from experience with me just how subtle a touch can be needed to manipulate/confuse someone. A mafia mason will have the experience of a team in manipulation whereas a town member has their own ability to run with. Incorrect for you good sir. my role unlike anyone elses is confirmable. However my role is able to appear on both town and mafia sides thus rather than claiming "i am townie" and having the 80ish% chance of being one of the townie i am now firmly 50/50. My role is confirmable, my alignment isn't. You can clearly say "you were either 1 or the other before" however I have removed fake claiming almost entirely. Mafia do not benefit from me fake claiming this, nor do town. as for how I can confirm my role at the start? I mason at the beginning of a cycle not the end. As for saying its not confirmable? If i am a generic red and claim mason my mafia buddy says i masoned him. I die flip mafia goon he fucking dies. The only people who in their right mind would claim mason, are mason. As for also saying im not transparent? You know my role, I am even trying to discuss the role itself. If you do not care about the possible damages of a mafia mason late game and only care about the now then you are not playing in the best interests of this town. You must always look ahead. If there are roles that could potentially fuck town two days from now that wouldn't have if we talked about them today then we talk about it today. Period. as for mafia dealing with me? Say for arguments sake, there are 4 masons and 1 is red. I don't get elected and am not lynched by mayor. Mafia now has the option of killing me and thus reducing the number of people they can hide amongst and masons are confirmable. By claiming, town will always be analyzing me and determining if i am red or blue and choose to off me based on it. Mafia have the risk of killing me early and thus potentially outing one of their own early on or leaving me alone and hope the town ignores me. The longer I live the more benefit i am to the town and if i die by mafia shot I out one of their own slightly faster. Now. How do people wish to deal with masons as a whole? Do all discussions made get posted in thread? Do we opt to not talk to people who mason you, etc... This is an important matter, move just passed my personal claim and look at the role as a whole. Here is a link to a thread where masons were discussed before to get an idea why I think its important to discuss. http://www.teamliquid.net/forum/viewmessage.php?topic_id=278946 the situation proposed there is obviously different from this game but the important none the less. The Mason this game is more just about whispering it looks like. It really isn't that strong in the game. They can't create circles or nothing. They can disseminate roles privately I suppose but the threat is always there that the mason is mafia. As you yourself might be BC. I don't really see too much power in the role as of the moment. Especially if you play the game as such as to ignore pms. | ||
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So far I see Sandroba screaming for mass mason claim. Which I suppose all of the whisperers being public knowledge would be a good thing. But I don't wanna feel like sheep. I suppose theres no way around it though, or that its really important. I'm Mason #2. And I mason'd BC. But he won't talk to me. *cries* | ||
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On January 14 2012 06:04 BloodyC0bbler wrote: to be fair i have no mod confirmation that i was mason'd -_- ...To be fair, do you think I would willingly violate the rules? I'm more about enjoying my experience of playing than winning. I'm above cheating at mafia. | ||
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Bill, I don't really think Sandroba is scum because he called for a mason mass claim. So did BC in a round-a-bout way. I personally don't view the role with much power, so I don't know. I've been trying all day to think of a way to make it useful, but seriously, just ignoring pms this game seems the most highly logical play I could think of. I mean, I'm still gonna try and pm you. <3 Ya Buddddddddy.  Welcome back. | ||
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On January 14 2012 07:01 Liquid`Sheth wrote: They haven't stated their activity will be waning. No just switching to lynching Cir wouldn't cause me to switch my vote. That was stated prior to the game start. I'm just curious as to your reasons for voting for them and the only reason I find is he is willing to lynch ciry. You didn't really say as to why and I found that scummy, so I guess it begs the question, why are you voting for protact? | ||
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On January 14 2012 07:23 Liquid`Sheth wrote: You find a small point of my post, and call it scummy. You haven't complained about anyone else's votes and yet you consider that scummy. I wasn't even the first person to put my vote on him, but once its possibly gaining steam you point out that what I'm doing is scummy. You've also claimed to be our second Mason for those who missed it, as I didn't realize it until I read your filter. A small point? Voting for mayor...is a small point? I want to clarify that also AS YOU DODGE my question. And just because they did it without attracting my written attention means I can't address you without addressing them? Srsly. Bad argument is bad argument. | ||
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On January 14 2012 14:31 Liquid`Sheth wrote: I feel like Palmar definitely hasn't been the most useless this day. Those who want to kill off Palmar based on his Meta should be waiting far past just day 1. I'm pretty sure everyone has had a day or two where they can't play much. Lynching Palmar at this point is like lynching a lurker. @WBG -- What do you think about what Protactinium has posted? How do you feel about Protactinium's new lynch candidate - BC? I think its far to early in the game to solidly go after BC. I don't think he's scum just for addressing our rather useless mason role in the way he and I discussed it. I feel the move was solidly pro-town, but I won't trust him still. I never trust BC, L, Incog, or RoL (as evidenced by my repeated murders of RoL). But as of this moment I think he's decently protown, he created a different discussion that needed to be discussed. I will not support any attempts at lynching him day one. Also, we haven't heard from quite a few people on our list of players, most notably L. I also don't think d3 has posted either, which is rather poor to me. As for Palmar, I'll admit I'm seeing a difference, but I've seen this same argument against Palmar a few times. Everyone seems to attack him if he doesn't do his usual posting for mayor or what not. I'd rather he contribute more than what he has. As of right now I find him a very viable lynch candidate. Hi Scamp, how are you, sir? Do you mind gracing me with a few opinions? Like Foolishness pushing for multiple people for mayor, instead of himself?( I still find that the most weird thing about today.) And also Protactinium saying he'd lynch BC if elected - a change from ciryandor. | ||
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On January 14 2012 16:02 Scamp wrote: Well alright, but first I question your post. Why did the role of mason need to be discussed? Especially combined with a roleclaim? How is that solidly pro-town? Also, when is a good time to solidly go after BC? Why can't someone go after him on day 1, especially if they have a case to make, and especially since you claim to never trust him? I'm not really opposed to the idea of Foolishness pushing for multiple people and not himself. Last time I checked I'm not running for mayor either, and we elect two people. I find it curious that no one seems to be discussing the usage of the two positions outside of the day 1 lynch, whereas talk about masons cluttered up the thread for a bunch of pages. Finally I'm not really sure why you're asking my opinion on Protactinium going after BC. He posted a pretty verbose argument, you should go pick that apart if you don't like it. My opinion of it is that I think it's legit, but I don't know if it's mafia calling out a notable townie with suspicious behavior because of substandard play (a common mafia Ace tactic, and a good one if that) or if BC truly is mafia and has done a good job of leading the town down topics which aren't quite to the point. I guess they could both be town, too. Highly unlikely that they're both mafia, though. I felt the mason role needed to be discussed, mainly because I'm a mason and I find the role very weak this set up, with the exception of it in mafia hands. The thing about a mass claim for masons just limits the mafia's ability to infiltrate privately. The reason I find it solidly protown is just because it is a pretty bold thing to do, don't you agree? I suppose anytime is a good time, just I don't think using a mayor lynch to lynch a power player like him is a smart move. Thats really what I meant by not a good time to go after him. Claiming not to trust him is the truest thing I've ever said, and I say it every game. I don't like following people just because they say thats the best way. I'm not gonna be sheeped around. And I just asked you about Protact because I was asking somebody elses opinion about it also. I just wanted some discussion on a player | ||
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On January 14 2012 16:12 Scamp wrote: With this post, you will not be getting my vote, unless you post something of substance really, really soon. Could not of said it better myself. But now that he mentions it, where the hell is BM? I'm not sold that any of the mayor candidate have a proper direction right now, and for all declaring they'd be active, they seem to be lacking. | ||
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On January 14 2012 06:02 ~OpZ~ wrote: I'm still wondering the proper benefits to the mass mason claim. I'm neutral as again, the role seems rather bland for the town this game. Being a mason doesn't confirm you. I'd like to know the general town consensus. So far I see Sandroba screaming for mass mason claim. Which I suppose all of the whisperers being public knowledge would be a good thing. But I don't wanna feel like sheep. I suppose theres no way around it though, or that its really important. I'm Mason #2. And I mason'd BC. But he won't talk to me. *cries* Same post I claim mason. -_-...srsly...The first part was orginally going to be a different post. That first portion was my first PM to BC tbh. Jesus christ, you and wherebugsgo are focusing on that way too much. Did you not notice I claimed in the same post? | ||
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On January 14 2012 21:45 Jayjay54 wrote: 6) Opz still waiting for an answer here as well. Not to accuse you. But I just don’t get what happened. You masoned him, you didn’t get confirmation and thus you never wrote him? Wth? It's gonna be a while before I catch all the way up. I pm'd him immediately after selecting him as my mason target for the day. He wasn't gonna reply until it was mod confirmed to him. Was this just a weak accusation to just make yourself look like you were doing something? Atleast wherebugsgo and BM tried harder, which is a huge stretch in and of itself. Some notes as of yet: L came posting, running a mayor campaign. Bill showed up too. Proact is lacking, :page 53. I'm bout to go for a walk with the ol' lady, so i just wanna come in and say some things and throw a vote out. I should be back well before the deadline though. | ||
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On January 15 2012 08:44 Protactinium wrote: When the town isn't going anywhere, look for mafia interference. I clearly have been trying to give some direction to this thread, so there isn't really the excuse that the town is just newb and doesn't know what to do. Furthermore, this game isn't like some others where 2 mistaken townies pollute the thread by attacking each other on pretty thin grounds. If you look at the thread as a whole, you probably will only be able to find 1 player who really sticks out of the discussion, and that's BC. If you agree that the town isn't going anywhere, the question should be why. BC has steered the course of the discussion for the most part of this day, despite only having around 5% of the total game posts. While I have no problem with someone having this few amount of posts, an examination of BC's posts shows that he has created more ? He creates a discussion which blows up disproportionately to its significance in the game. In all seriousness, please it would be nice to know which of you is posting. At any rate, you have given what kind of direction with your 3 posts before this one where you claim to have been giving direction? You are representing yourself falsely. Something someone on the mafia team would do. You have also gotten a lot of support without posting damn near anything. I think your highly probable mafia. | ||
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On January 15 2012 12:33 wherebugsgo wrote: wowowowowowow. Alright, I was wrong. Fuck. Your wrong about a lot. -_- | ||
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On January 15 2012 08:55 ~OpZ~ wrote: In all seriousness, please it would be nice to know which of you is posting. At any rate, you have given what kind of direction with your 3 posts before this one where you claim to have been giving direction? You are representing yourself falsely. Something someone on the mafia team would do. You have also gotten a lot of support without posting damn near anything. I think your highly probable mafia. I'm just again concerned about what I said being ignored. Everyone agrees with protact that was giving the town direction, when he only had three posts prior to the post where he claims he was giving the town direction? | ||
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On January 17 2012 02:20 Jayjay54 wrote: Hey guys, I’m back from work, so I have time to figure stuff out. First of all, GG to all the dead. May they rest in peace! WP everyone. I try to focus on the NKs, we may get information why they were shot. I’ll compare them by listing People they opposed and things they supported, mostly with quotes. May contain traces of WIFOM. I want to start with the not so sure shot people. You'll see why. Lanaia People she opposed: Well, pretty much none (talking about before the day 2 start, she gave a pretty neutral list today). A little post against palmar, a little post about L, but quickly withdraw. Things she supported: Well, uhm. Yeah. Vote was on BC Sooo Lanaia? What? Why? She was a total Null read to nearly everybody. Some people even called her scum. Includiiing: a) Why the fuck would BM jail Lanaia? Because he thought she has a role? Lanaia was even confused herself. This makes 0 sense to me. Care to explain BM? b) How does BM know that he saved her? Does he get notified? And why would he want that if he thinks shes scum? And why on earth would the mafia use a pretty NK to kill a pretty neutral person who even was a lynch candidate to some? Please enlighten us BM. => Don’t know what to make out of it. But I don’t believe whatsoever that the mafia used a NK on her. Which is why: Could Lanaia be mafia? You ever consider that? I have...Not just the long post today were neutral. Almost every post. But I'll be pointing that out later, I gotta do some things real quick. | ||
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On January 17 2012 07:57 Meapak_Ziphh wrote: @schworz, there are currently three serious candidates being discussed, protact, sandroba, and GGQ. That's a fine number of candiates for me. I want to lynch Lanaia. Every post is wishywashy, and that big post with probably 30 people on it was a huge attempt to appear to be doing something. Just doesn't feel right. | ||
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On January 17 2012 08:04 Toadesstern wrote: she is that wishy washy as town. I don't think she's mafia at all unless she does that on purpose to look like her town play. I'd say the first one is more likly. I've never played with her, and regardless of it, I said I feel off. I'm trusting my gut on this one. She is mafia. Protact is suspected strongly mafia to me and should be to everyone else, plus annoying as heck, example: They've been asked repeatedly, by multiple people, to post which one of them are posting. It's not hard or difficult to comply with that, and seems reasonable I believe. Also, THEY gained a random ass following, claimed to have had given Day one direction, when they had all of 4 posts when they claimed to have given direction to the day. Seriously. That's a load of horse manure. I don't trust protact, at all even if he pointed out ciryandor. He wasn't the first to call him out and even changed his target to BC afterwards. I won't sheep after his wishes. | ||
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On January 17 2012 08:19 Liquid`Sheth wrote: @Lanaia + Opz What are your thoughts on GGQ + Macpo? @Opz were not lynching Lanaia today because of your "gut". Post what your "gut" is telling you and why. I done posted my suspcisions,. I haven't directly quoted them, because I'm being lazy. Lanaia doesn't have many posts, click on filter. But i've done posted them, it isn't my fault you don't bother reading. Your still scum in my eyes too. I haven't read anything from Macpo, so give me a little bit. Same for GGQ. | ||
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On January 17 2012 08:04 Liquid`Sheth wrote: @Meapak I think adding a 4th candidate in Macpo is a good idea. I'm not fine with voting Sandroba off or Protact. I need to think more about GGQ. Protact was one of the first to go after Cyr and Sandroba was as well, I don't know why these two are considered a good lynch for Day 2. Meapak I've been really happy with your play today, are you willing to go for Macpo based on how he has been posting ? I called you out earlier for voting for protact for no reason, and then now you want to go and defend him saying he was one of the first to go after ciry. You mean until he changed to wanting to lynch BC, when Ciry was obviously more scummy? Looks to me like he was trying to bus a weaker scum. Seems kind of early to me, but go read ciry's posts, or check your inbox. He was obvious mafia. | ||
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On January 17 2012 08:43 Liquid`Sheth wrote: Here are some quotes about your "posted suspicions". + Show Spoiler + On January 17 2012 08:01 ~OpZ~ wrote: I want to lynch Lanaia. Every post is wishywashy, and that big post with probably 30 people on it was a huge attempt to appear to be doing something. Just doesn't feel right. + Show Spoiler + On January 17 2012 08:17 ~OpZ~ wrote: I've never played with her, and regardless of it, I said I feel off. I'm trusting my gut on this one. She is mafia. Protact is suspected strongly mafia to me and should be to everyone else, plus annoying as heck, example: They've been asked repeatedly, by multiple people, to post which one of them are posting. It's not hard or difficult to comply with that, and seems reasonable I believe. Also, THEY gained a random ass following, claimed to have had given Day one direction, when they had all of 4 posts when they claimed to have given direction to the day. Seriously. That's a load of horse manure. I don't trust protact, at all even if he pointed out ciryandor. He wasn't the first to call him out and even changed his target to BC afterwards. I won't sheep after his wishes. + Show Spoiler + On January 17 2012 03:03 ~OpZ~ wrote: Could Lanaia be mafia? You ever consider that? I have...Not just the long post today were neutral. Almost every post. But I'll be pointing that out later, I gotta do some things real quick. You say it isn't your fault that I don't bother reading. I in fact have been reading. Oh, I'm sorry. Must I dredge up all the evidence of why I feel that way. http://www.teamliquid.net/forum/viewmessage.php?topic_id=253716¤tpage=64#1267 "I really liked L up until he asked about the vig shot. However, he's redeemed himself since in my eyes. I like his posting style." L even asked her, how did he redeem himself? Because he hadn't done shit since then. Then she says "If three people hadn't just switched to WBG all at once, I would have voted him. It just feels kinda weird. I mean, I know it's not the end of the cycle and it won't push him into the win (iirc), but... " and just leaves it at that. Fine. Okay. The obvious reason is, despite claiming to want to, she's too concerned with looking suspicious to follow what she claims to want to do. Almost all of her posts consist of this as a premise. Being concerned about looking suspicious and voicing this concern. No real meat. When asked to point out people she would lynch today? She picks two people I'd consider lurkers. Two people least likely to defend themselves. Although the posts as of late, have been more town related, I'm still highly suspect, and would get behind a lynch. | ||
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On January 17 2012 12:51 Jitsu wrote: @BC, are you back yet, bro? Did you mason up yet? I masoned someone. | ||
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While I respect your post greatly, and agree with more than a few of your reads (BM primarily, as you are right, he is at the helm and should be doing far more to help with direction), but your portion regarding me I feel is incorrect. I usually don't start posting much until I have firm reads, and more information where I can actually back things up. Also, almost every game I'm in with a large number of players I don't even start posting proper til day 3/4. I've already built cases I feel warrant attention, and while you point out sheth pointing out me, this was simply because I called him out for instariding Incog/Mystlord, with the most amazing defense of "Other people were doing it and your only calling me out for it?" But I gives a shit as of right now. | ||
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On January 17 2012 14:44 BloodyC0bbler wrote: to be fair to sheth, he actually supported protrac right from the beginning pretty much on a stance along the lines of "where everyone else says they are going to do things, protrac actually is as such he gets my support" or something along those lines. That was only after repeated prodding by me BC. I remember because I had to ask multiple times for him to even give a reason for voting protact. | ||
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On January 17 2012 14:37 kitaman27 wrote: Essentially your entire argument comes down to Kurumi hinted that he might shoot Kenpachi. I find it incredibly odd that you have decided that it is more likely that Kenpachi was saved by the mafia jack, than it is for kurumi to have not shot last night. From my perspective, if the mafia team was truly worried about kurumi shooting kenpachi, they don't waste a JACK ability, they bury the roleblock with the kurumi hit. Essentially your explanation is that mafia decided to give up a kp (Jack role use) in exchange for being able to roleblock you. That's not something I buy. ##Vote L ...I'm sorry, but don't jacks get two ability uses, and only able to use each ability once? And your saying knowing if a vig hit was targeted at a mafia would be bad for a mafia and a waste of a jack power to use it to protect the mafia? Or am I just reading this wrong...if you could just clarify what you're trying to say here....because I think it'd be far better for the mafia to if they protected one of there own, and try and roleblock someone else during the night...The vig would become a regular townie the next day. But I could be mistaken. Although it makes L trying to find out VE's "vig target" earlier more in line with what you were saying. | ||
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On January 17 2012 15:03 kitaman27 wrote: Essentially L's explanation is that it is more likely that kenpachi was saved by a Jack than it is that kurumi did not shoot kenpachi. However, this means that instead of roleblocking kurumi, they decided to waste one of their two joat abilities. This is not a logical move and my case is based on L unwilling to consider the alternatives. I disagree. Makes more sense to protect, than to roleblock. "Jack You can act as a Medic, Veteran, Mason, and Vigilante... but not all at once and not more than once. You may two of these four powers during the game: Protect, Mason, and Shoot. You may use the same power twice. Note that your Veteran life is not passive like that of a true Veteran's; you must choose when to activate it, and if it isn't used (as in, you aren't hit that night) it goes away. " But again, this is extraneous, and we should not continue arguing about it. I already know the downsides of one or the other. I just don't like your reasoning on it. Actually. I have an aside here. I'm confused by the Jack role now. "Jack You can act as a Medic, Veteran, Mason, and Vigilante... but not all at once and not more than once. You may two of these four powers during the game: Protect, Mason, and Shoot. You may use the same power twice. Note that your Veteran life is not passive like that of a true Veteran's; you must choose when to activate it, and if it isn't used (as in, you aren't hit that night) it goes away. " Doesn't the first bolded part contradict the second bolded part? | ||
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On January 18 2012 05:24 wherebugsgo wrote: Now I remember why I hate large games... Holy shit this town has no direction. Must kill: Bill Murray Lanaia Toadesstern Meapak Scamp Bumatlarge Should probably kill: Jackal Sandro L Protactinium Bill Murray should die today. The case on macpo is weak to me but he's receiving a ton of suspicion so he might as well flip so we don't waste more time on him. Once these players are dead there's probably half the mafia team hiding among noob lurkers. You forgot my name or did I cease being a suspect to you? Or is it you just want to keep changing suspects to create chaos? *Add ~OpZ~ to his list plz. | ||
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On January 18 2012 06:18 wherebugsgo wrote: Oh yeah, I forgot you. I'd put you on the probable kill list since you actually pointed that out. Who do you want to lynch? I voted who I wanted to lynch. I've posted my reasons. Read my posts instead of blindly calling me scum. It makes you look scummy. Scum. | ||
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On January 18 2012 06:25 wherebugsgo wrote: I have read your posts. You had a scum read on Lanaia and on BM as well. You reprimanded foolishness for suspecting you. However, I don't recall you putting your vote in this thread. I'm on my phone right now, so I'm too lazy to change threads and try to hunt through pages to find your vote. I also donMt particularly care, for reasons that should slowly become apparent to people who are reading this right now. You ignored my issues with protactinum. Which I'm starting to get fed up with tbh. Again. I'm going to say it. He claimed to have provided the thread with direction with only having four posts, two of which were EXTREMELY unsubstantial, changed his lynch target (if elected) from someone now confirmed as mafia, to BC, who I view with my strongest town read. Not to mention all the random early votes he received with absolutely no reasoning. But hey, who cares what I say. | ||
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On January 18 2012 06:47 hiro protagonist wrote: I care about what you say ~OpZ~ <3 what do you think of sandro? You care what I say, but don't say if you agree with it or not? I feel like I'm just questioning sheth about why he voted for protag again. Another four posts just to get a response on what I've said. Half the people in this thread can't seem to get Sandro's story straight, or are confused he claimed mason. I've facepalmed repeatedly about this, but maybe it's because I've actually read BC's posts. So I haven't given him much thought. Care to give me some time to look at him so I can give a better opinion? So far all my notes say are that he shouldn't post while drunk. And this one interesting note when I was reading him and BC's chatlogs, he was actually pressing Ciryandor. So I'm going with he's more likely town than protactinum. | ||
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On January 18 2012 07:00 wherebugsgo wrote: Nah, just forgot. You like jumping to conclusions, don't you? Now I think here's where I jump to the conclusion that you ignored how I hated on Protac too. Oh but wait, that's your job, not mine. Sorry, I'm bad at this roleplaying shit. Yet my vote rests on protact and yours doesn't. I'm supporting my case with what action the only action I can. | ||
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On January 18 2012 07:28 wherebugsgo wrote: It was on Protact. I'd rather vote someone who actually has a chance of being lynched today. So far there is no indication that a Protactinium lynch will succeed. And this passive attitude is what sheep are made of. | ||
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On January 18 2012 07:34 wherebugsgo wrote: what does everyone think of hiro? I'm rather curious. He's tunnelled against Sandroba. Bases much of his argument on meta, which I don't attach much note to. He subbed in so not much to go on yet. His case against sandroba might be pretty legit rereading his post, but I've also noticed he provided no contrast to how Sandroba plays as town so he isn't showing a difference. Very one sided argument someone on the mafia team would use. But I'm going with a null read as of the moment. | ||
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On January 18 2012 09:06 Liquid`Sheth wrote: We have a few hours left till lynch and the majority is definitely on Macpo for now. I'm fine with this as I still think theres a good chance hes red . At the start of the day remember that Meapak brought up that we want to keep the candidate pool small. He provided Sandroba / Protactinium / GGQ as our "primary targets". I then added Macpo to that list thanks to primarily my re-read and thoughts on Protactiniums post that Macpo is red . As this day has went on, the two lurkers here GGQ + Macpo haven't posted much and this has led people to worry that perhaps they are just lynching a lurker and the lack of opposition to it makes them think that it will be a town flip. However I would like to point out that it would be practically impossible to "defend" macpo or GGQ based on their posts so far, so it makes sense that no one has went out in his defense solidly yet. I still believe our logic for lynching him is good and would like to get a red out of this lynch. If you haven't voted for a double lynch tomorrow please do. On to someone else who I really feel is red. I feel like we have lots of good candidates from this post here : + Show Spoiler + On January 17 2012 13:28 Foolishness wrote: READ CAREFULLY! DON'T LOSE THIS POST! REPOST MANY TIMES I am making this post as a way of compiling the thoughts of the few people in this game who are making sense and posting good analysis. A lot of it will be my own thoughts, but it's heavily based on a few people (should be obvious) who are the most transparent and the most obvious townies. 9 Mafia remaining. Here's the preliminary suspects: Macpo, GGQ, L. These are the people I feel we have the best case for and most of the transparent people in the thread seem to agree about these 3. Personally I think GGQ is town and we should avoid lynching him for now. Protact already gave viable reasons why Macpo is better than GGQ today, and I feel there is little to argue there. sandroba pointed out how L is acting like in Ver's game, and I couldn't agree more. We also have Incog's analysis against L. Secondary suspects: Bill Murray, chaosquo, evantrees. These 3 people have garnered attention from a few people but not from everyone, so they are listed as secondary candidates. I am of the belief that all 3 of these people are mafia. evantrees is already mentioned by Incog. I think Cyber_Cheese highlighted a good summary of chaosquo here. Most of it is similar arguments to Macpo. Bill Murray as red? I think so. Others have cast suspicion but there's not been a full analysis anywhere. A few people have commented that the election "feels" weird in some way, and I definitely sympathize. The votes for Bill Murray come across as the most suspicious: lots of random votes there. Personally I was surprised he even got into office (remember I was out all day so I saw the results without reading the previous 20 pages). I do realize I may have initially pushed him into candidacy, but I shall take responsibility for that and see to it that he's lynched in the near future. But to be simple: Bill Murray posted a lot, and got into office. Since then he's been pretty passive at the helm (so has BC I realize). That's good enough reason to warrant a ton of suspicion, as he should be actively scumhunting and posting without fear at this point. Remaining mafia candidates: Jackal, Opz, kingjames, zeks. Incog has an analysis against Jackal as we know. I am not on board with him being mafia yet. Traditionally when he is mafia he posts paragraphs, and not one-liners. However he warrants suspicion for having an apathetic attitude. Opz is someone who I believe Sheth was the first to cast doubt on, and I must say Sheth is definitely onto something. I know of the past Opz as a town player who is aggressive, not afraid to call people out on their bullshit. That's something we aren't seeing much of this game. He's posted a few of his own thoughts, but there is a clear lack of effort. Bored townie who is facepalming at having to read 100 pages? Possibly. Mafia hiding in the shadows? Fits better. kingjames is called out on by Incog, and there's further analysis by BC. His last sentence is the perfect sum to kingjames: "The key thing to note is that in contrast to his town play where he is outgoing and analytical, his posts in this game are very subdued, seem artificial and feel overly planned." kingjames has yet to do anything to contradict this. zeks I felt strongly about yesterday, he made a bad post which is nothing like his normal outspoken attitude (though it's been a while since he's played I think). He has since asked for a replacement and hasn't posted, but should still be looked at in the future. Meapak_Ziphh is someone I would like to throw out there as a candidate (which shouldn't be a surprise from the few of my recent posts). What has Meapak done this game? Tried to get GGQ lynched, and unfortunately that's about all he's tried to do. There is a very aggressive push from him to kill this guy, which I find a little suspicious and slightly out of character. Mafia: Macpo, GGQ, L, Bill Murray, chaosquo, evantrees, Opz, Kingjames, Meapak_Ziphh. Substitute a few off candidates and I think we've found our 9: Jackal, BrownBear, zeks, Munk-E, other random inactive player goes here. DONT LOSE THIS POST ITS SO IMPORTANT! Writing all that I think the usefulness of this post is immediately made clear. The most prominent townies and the ones doing the analysis are all right on most of their reads. It's just each person has found 2-3 mafia on their own, and most of the time they are all different. Pooling this information together I realize it's hard to call anyone and their analysis wrong, as when you analyze the big picture everything fits together. Anyone in their right mind would look at this game and think "wow this atmosphere is perfect for the mafia". Ver once told me that lots of times it's easier to find the mafia when the town atmosphere sucks because they will not be the ones causing chaos and disruption. Instead they will be sitting on the sidelines enjoying the show while the townies flail around. Look at all the names I've listed above. Everyone (yes everyone on that list) is guilty of apathy and does not have the interests of the town in mind. They are not thinking long term, or analyzing the big picture. They aren't playing the game, they are watching. Macpo Many others have said so, and though I may be biased, I still think it's best we lynch him today. I believe his case is still by far the strongest we have at the moment, especially since he has responded to his threats (with even more reason to kill him). At the time of writing GGQ has yet to say anything. We kill him (Macpo) today and spend the night figuring out who has the next best case. In the meantime, I'm going to be looking for connections between the above players to see if anyone can be ruled out or automatically included. IF YOU HAVE FINISHED READING AND YOU ARE A COMPETENT TOWN PLAYER PLEASE READ AGAIN Also, after sifting through this information, I feel we have a strong enough lead to start killing like there's no tomorrow. ##Vote: double lynch I'd like to add my case against OpZ here as well. His first post is as follows : + Show Spoiler + On January 13 2012 15:29 ~OpZ~ wrote: IIRC, Foolishness is one of the few people that actually....supports BM? Besides myself of course. And when you know BM...You just know BM...He's not that difficult of a read. (for Wiggs and Kita) I just think its rather funny Foolishness is pushing for someone else to be mayor, when he himself dies like almost every Day one. I would rather just vote for Foolishness to be completely honest, but Kitaman as of right now is who I'm thinking of. Past games I've played with him we was pretty damned good, and he's actually wanting the position. Are you planning on be really active Foolishness? Also, I probably need to go to fucking bed, 1:30EST and I work at 7...-_- Right off the bat he wants to support BM because he is "easy to read" and has however posted no content on this matter afterwards. He then suggests that Kita and Wiggles can read him. (Kita + Wiggles were both shot at last night). Interesting so far... His second post : + Show Spoiler + The Mason this game is more just about whispering it looks like. It really isn't that strong in the game. They can't create circles or nothing. They can disseminate roles privately I suppose but the threat is always there that the mason is mafia. As you yourself might be BC. I don't really see too much power in the role as of the moment. Especially if you play the game as such as to ignore pms. Starts off by saying that Mason is a weak roll. And that people should be worried the mason is mafia (after BC claimed). And then suggests ignoring PM's as an idea. Mason however isn't a weak roll at all. Thirdly and weirdly : + Show Spoiler + On January 14 2012 06:02 ~OpZ~ wrote: I'm still wondering the proper benefits to the mass mason claim. I'm neutral as again, the role seems rather bland for the town this game. Being a mason doesn't confirm you. I'd like to know the general town consensus. So far I see Sandroba screaming for mass mason claim. Which I suppose all of the whisperers being public knowledge would be a good thing. But I don't wanna feel like sheep. I suppose theres no way around it though, or that its really important. I'm Mason #2. And I mason'd BC. But he won't talk to me. *cries* Doesn't know about mass mason claim suggests the roll is bland, which I can understand. Doesn't want to feel like sheep. However eventually says that he is Mason #2 and that BC won't talk to him. Nothing honestly too weird here. 4th Post : + Show Spoiler + Bill, I don't really think Sandroba is scum because he called for a mason mass claim. So did BC in a round-a-bout way. I personally don't view the role with much power, so I don't know. I've been trying all day to think of a way to make it useful, but seriously, just ignoring pms this game seems the most highly logical play I could think of. I mean, I'm still gonna try and pm you. <3 Ya Buddddddddy. Welcome back.Wants to ignore PMS again. Its not highly logical at all, its actually the opposite. It removes all logic. However after this he says that hes still going to PM Bill. Really contradictory about the Mason roll. He then flip flops entirely within 2 posts : First he says Then : So he at first suggests lynching Palmar then doesn't want to go after him because he is a "power player" if I'm correct in understanding this. Also HERE IS A HUGE MISTAKE. When he says that he just asked about Protact because "I just wanted some discussion on a player". Why would you say this? You don't want just discussion on a player. You want to find out what the player and the poster thinks in depth and why. You were so against Protact and then say this its horrible. You just want their opinion and discussion... you should want to know if they are Mafia or not. Next post : Completely unhelpful to town players : He is VERY sure Mattchew is blue : However at this point there was no reason to think he was blue, at least no real reason any better then to think BC or even Opz is blue. All he had done was claim Mason. Its somewhat a good point for you that you wanted to vote for him, however at this point it was not completely obvious. THEN EVEN THOUGH HE IS VERY SURE ABOUT MATTCHEW; He changes his vote to L!!!! No reason for this!! Only reason would be because he knows Mattchew is blue, so he just wanted to post that he thought he wasn't guilty and then to possibly go on to someone that is mafia. (Good chance L is mafia if OpZ flips red or at least slightly better chance) Going to post this now, because I don't want it to get too long. The rest of his posts are calling out Lanaia for being scum. When pressured why he thinks this by me he suggests that hes already posted the why. However he hadn't. He then posts the why which basically is "shes not posting much interesting information". Its not because she looks scummy or has acted scummy, its simply because shes not posting much to help town. Which may seem like a good reason, but I really feel its not that great. This is his complete evidence for why Lanaia is mafia : + Show Spoiler + Oh, I'm sorry. Must I dredge up all the evidence of why I feel that way. http://www.teamliquid.net/forum/viewmessage.php?topic_id=253716¤tpage=64#1267 "I really liked L up until he asked about the vig shot. However, he's redeemed himself since in my eyes. I like his posting style." L even asked her, how did he redeem himself? Because he hadn't done shit since then. Then she says "If three people hadn't just switched to WBG all at once, I would have voted him. It just feels kinda weird. I mean, I know it's not the end of the cycle and it won't push him into the win (iirc), but... " and just leaves it at that. Fine. Okay. The obvious reason is, despite claiming to want to, she's too concerned with looking suspicious to follow what she claims to want to do. Almost all of her posts consist of this as a premise. Being concerned about looking suspicious and voicing this concern. No real meat. When asked to point out people she would lynch today? She picks two people I'd consider lurkers. Two people least likely to defend themselves. Although the posts as of late, have been more town related, I'm still highly suspect, and would get behind a lynch. So, if I do happen to die this night, I'd like this case to be top priority for tomorrow and I'm bringing it up early as I think he is red . ~OpZ~ the Mafia most awful, and utter bull shit. Mattchew was modkilled for by the time I posted that, that which I had not known. WHY I WAS CERTAIN, was because of why he was modkilled. You could see his pms were only from Foolishness as opposed to if he was mafia, he would ALMOST CERTAINLY have atleast a pm from another person. "Right off the bat he wants to support BM because he is "easy to read" and has however posted no content on this matter afterwards. He then suggests that Kita and Wiggles can read him. (Kita + Wiggles were both shot at last night). Interesting so far..." What did you do? Just click my filter and read my posts out of context? The portion was dedicated to Kita and Wiggles, FOR AS TO WHY I would say Foolishness would push BM as a candidate, not with regards to Kita and Wiggles reading BM. Has Wiggles even played a game with BM, (or am I confusing him with Meapak)? Masons are terribly weak in this game in my opinion BESIDES in mafia hands. Sure, I can bounce ideas off one person in PM, OR I CAN BOUNCE THEM OFF THE ENTIRE THREAD. I believe this is something me and BC were in agreement about. Then you point out me asking you about protact?! Holy fucking shit son. I haven't been the harbinger of Protact is mafia or anything this game. Oh no. I asked Scamp, WHO HAS BEEN MIGHTY QUIET, about Protact changing from Ciryandor to wanting to lynch BC, WHO I HAD the strongest town read on. Get this trash out of my face you protact following scum. I've done pointed out you buddying him once. The portion about voting L instead of Mattchew, because I knew he was blue? MATTCHEW WAS DEAD, by the point. Jesus fucking christ. Learn to build a case proper. You mad cuz I pointed you out for buddying your scum buddy protact? So lets note, everything you have as a case against me is: A) wrong B) out of context C) a lie While me pointing you out for voting for protact for no reason still stands, with the amazing defense of, "You didn't point anyone else out for voting for protact!!" On January 14 2012 07:23 Liquid`Sheth wrote: You find a small point of my post, and call it scummy. You haven't complained about anyone else's votes and yet you consider that scummy. I wasn't even the first person to put my vote on him, but once its possibly gaining steam you point out that what I'm doing is scummy. You've also claimed to be our second Mason for those who missed it, as I didn't realize it until I read your filter. 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On January 18 2012 10:09 jaj22 wrote: @OpZ: Given that you think BM is easy to read, what do you reckon about his play so far? For Foolishness maybe. I can't read BM like that. I like him, and used to PM him regularly. I've always said I'd cohost a game with him. He's prone to bouts of tyranny when he has power or a power role (see -TL maf 30, where he was Ninja [i don't know if its in thread, but it might be in the post game discussion, he threatened our town circle repeatedly because he wanted us to give up the other Ninja, whom was BC], and games he has hosted), so it makes his use of his sheriff power on Lanaia somewhat understandable. If Bill Murray has a power he will use it. As for his direction, and all that jazz? His posts are what he's thinking at any given time, and he distrusts atleast one of us masons. Other than that I haven't seen anything blatant from him. What's your take on Protactinum? | ||
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On January 18 2012 10:12 Liquid`Sheth wrote: + Show Spoiler + On January 15 2012 07:23 ~OpZ~ wrote: I'm changing my vote to mattchew for reasons that I find completely obvious. Everyone else should also. On January 15 2012 08:22 ~OpZ~ wrote: I like L's direction his post carries. They like all the extraneous drama that everyone elses had. He's also a notable scum hunter, and very successful at it. I think I'm leaving my vote for him on him actually. On January 15 2012 03:58 jcarlsoniv wrote: ![[image loading]](http://www.goldenlaurel.com/images/KTH/Web-Rule-Book-Cover.gif) Mattchew was walking to the post office to send a letter to his friend. He also had his bundle of campaign posters in his bag ready to post around the town. All of a sudden, he noticed a large shadow directly above him. Before he could look up to see what it was, he was crushed under the massive weight of the object. As a crowd gathered 'round to look at the book that fell from the sky, they knew that the Fates had taken matters into their own hands. Mattchew the Mason has been modkilled. + Show Spoiler + Seriously though, guys. Everyone go back and read the rules right now. Ignorance will not be tolerated. (Time stamped posts above) True, I did just read your filter, but I also took it in context mostly. I saw that between your two posts (voting for Mattchew and then L) Mattchew had not died. I didn't even think of the possibility that you would vote for a dead person. Turns out I was wrong. You're also right you weren't implying Kita / Wiggles knew BM. Your parenthesis use was confusing to me. However you do still say that you do (know how BM posts when Mafia and that he is easy to read) and yet you've never posted again about it after that. The rest of my post isn't out of context, or wrong or a lie. And you mention twice about the Mattchew --> L thing was in the wrong time. I feel like your defense is just showing that you are really angry at this and probably not thinking that well about it. You ignore how you switched from wanting to lynch Palmar to not wanting to and some other points I've broughten up. Even in your defense you have a huge contradiction. You say : "Holy fucking shit son. I haven't been the harbinger of Protact is mafia or anything this game. Oh no. I asked Scamp, WHO HAS BEEN MIGHTY QUIET, about Protact changing from Ciryandor to wanting to lynch BC, WHO I HAD the strongest town read on. Get this trash out of my face you protact following scum. I've done pointed out you buddying him once." So hes not the harbringing that Protact is mafia but he is pointing him out that I'm a protact following scum and then : "You mad cuz I pointed you out for buddying your scum buddy protact?" So he is really sure that both myself and Protact are both mafia. I've been agreeing with what Protact has said, however even in my defense I only say that I think there are better lynches today then him. So hes said here that he isn't always saying Prot is scum, but says it twice in his post. Another thing to try and take away the attention from you is you say that I make no mention of my reason for voting Protactinium. My reason was posted to you a few pages ago. Someone linked my original post way back when I made it. Why are you blatantly taking something out of context when you know its out of context. Here is my post for why I voted for him : This post just makes you even more guilty in my eyes. I'm trying really hard to adjust my reads this game if I find they are wrong, and on you I'm really sure I'm just right. Also, you're an idiot. On January 14 2012 16:14 ~OpZ~ wrote: I felt the mason role needed to be discussed, mainly because I'm a mason and I find the role very weak this set up, with the exception of it in mafia hands. The thing about a mass claim for masons just limits the mafia's ability to infiltrate privately. The reason I find it solidly protown is just because it is a pretty bold thing to do, don't you agree? I suppose anytime is a good time, just I don't think using a mayor lynch to lynch a power player like him is a smart move. Thats really what I meant by not a good time to go after him. Claiming not to trust him is the truest thing I've ever said, and I say it every game. I don't like following people just because they say thats the best way. I'm not gonna be sheeped around. And I just asked you about Protact because I was asking somebody elses opinion about it also. I just wanted some discussion on a player That post, that you quoted, saying I changed my idea on Palmar? I was talking to Scamp about BC. BC was the power player. Read scamps fucking post, or the rest of that post you cut off. Nothing. Nothing at all you posted against me has been in context or true. Except saying I know BM. 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On January 13 2012 15:17 Mr. Wiggles wrote: So, Foolishness, why do you think that Bill Murray is easier to read than any other player in the game? What games has he played, where he's shown his worth as a townie? I've only played with him twice, and they weren't exactly demonstrative of awesome play, but I don't think he was trying that hard. The post in which I quoted. And this post: On January 13 2012 14:48 kitaman27 wrote: Foolishness, I don't see how it is logical to campaign for another player, considering you know your own alignment. Lets not turn the first day into a discussion on whether or not BM's past incidents warrant risking him becoming the center of attention. The entire game is going to be about BM if he is elected, which is not ideal. You admit there are going to be numerous people that wish to policy lynch him based on his spammy playstyle, how does electing him solve that problem? Not all of you were around when BM was given his last chance to play here, he was forced to play under a smurf and he was harassed all game. I've always defended BM in the banlist thread, and in many games when people talked shit about him. I didn't want to see this game be a repeat. So get off my dick for doing what I felt was right. (if you look at Kitamans post it is talking about Policy lynching BM, for example of the natural dislike of BM) | ||
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On January 18 2012 10:43 wherebugsgo wrote: Sheth makes a very good point that I almost forgot to mention earlier (I was going to ask him this) OpZ, since you think BM is such an easy read, can you tell us what his alignment is? Scum. Obviously. | ||
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On January 18 2012 10:44 Liquid`Sheth wrote: Can't you tell from the vote count that it doesn't matter if you vote BM or ANYONE at this point? You think that ~OpZ~ saying he can read BM and can't read BM in the same post makes you not want to lynch BM? (If you trust him, which you then say you do ?) Care to explain this a bit more? Sheth. What's your take on BM. You got time to come up with a bs post about me, well give me a real one about BM. | ||
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On January 18 2012 10:49 jaj22 wrote: I think he's been the best town player in the game, frankly. If Macpo and GGQ both flip green then I might start to worry, but fundamentally his play looks like good scumhunting to me, and there's not too much of that going on in this game. And his contradictions of himself are just good town play too? Claiming to of provided foundation to a day in which he really did next to nothing? | ||
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On January 21 2012 04:36 BloodyC0bbler wrote: Lynching kingjames gives a fuckton of information on my alignment as well. If he flips town im basically up shits creek without a paddle. Why would you go to lynch someone to gain information on me that is nowhere nearly as informative as lynching someone I have invested near most of the day into? I said supersofts lynch wasnt viable today, the case on him isn't extensive enough. I also provided you with a post of his that screams out town to me. I have a complete red read on someone else, whos lynch would give far more information on me than any other candidate at this point, yet you want to lynch someone else for information on me? the fuck dude, seriously. I've trusted you to be town, up until most recent posts BC. Please rethink before posting things like this, okay? I masoned Kita, cuz he asked me too, but he just told me he'd be away til 4:30.... -__-...And I gotta go pick up my motorcycle from the shop and might wind up going to work cuz they called me in again. Depends when I can get my bike so I might still be MIA. | ||
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On January 21 2012 11:08 p4NDemik wrote: Is using my mod ability to open "All" pages of this thread something that I can't do? Regular users don't have the ability but I don't think this is anything abusive All you need is autopager and some lines. I noticed sandroba came up red. He's dead though, so i'll leave my votes where they are. | ||
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I've been reading through this thread, and finally see someone agreeing with me...Minus the whole BC thing...but I've done said I don't like the direction BC was going, and none of his recent posts have come across protown. Like seriously? Picking a fight with p4n is not something a protown BC would do in my eyes, and to blatantly insult someone ("if I thought you were mafia and not just dumb"), is resorting to a shitty ad hominem attack. P4N has only been wanting to hear other peoples opinions, and not only has he not gotten them, he gets verbally assaulted by BC. Next off, I'd have to go back and look at this, but when Sheth died, who was it started using that against me? Seriously guys, remember, the mafia use there night kills not only to kill townies, but to create suspicion and disrupt the town. My meat market manager just quit and I've been busy at work all week, sry guys, but I wanted the extra hours. Now, again. Anyone else around so we can bounce some shit around? | ||
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On January 23 2012 15:37 p4NDemik wrote: I'm here. My sleep schedule is currently fucked. Bounce away. You already know where I stand on BC. I forgot Meapak was still alive. Kitaman is considered to be protown, fyi. Apparently he survived a night hit on N1, I believe. Uncontested claim. I don't think anyone, unless you consider kurumi, wiggles, and giygas as worthy of double hitting, I'd consider him confirmed...Unless the mafia are just that crazy. I didn't like how he refused to tell me any of his opinions, so I'm not going further into him because of the bias I'll hold. If you aren't seeing where I'm going, I suggest you move your read of him to protown. I'll be posting a lil more, feel free to talk about anyone, I'm gonna be around a while. My sleep schedule is fucked up too. | ||
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On January 17 2012 14:29 Meapak_Ziphh wrote: Foolishness I'm kinda dissapointed. Your case against me is based around meta. Yeah it's true, I've never tunneled anyone hardcore like I'm doing with GGQ right now, does that necessaily make me scum? You don't think GGQ is scum, however incog/protact agrees with me. So what am I doing then? By your logic I'm a hyperaggressive scum trying to mislynch a townie, thats nothing like my scum meta (feeling free to use this since you brought it up as part of your case). If you use incog's logic, I'm scum bussing a teammate. But what's my next move? My red list largely agrees with both yours, if I suddenly back off any of them it'll be super obvious. If I'm scum then I'm locked into bussing my own team for the next several days (given that you, me, and incog all think macpo and opz are scum). I will continue to campaign to get GGQ lynched, he is the best option for today. However, I'm not an idiot, if it comes down to macpo and protact or macpo and sandroba then of course I'll vote macpo. Everyone should vote GGQ though. I do not like this post. Only votes Macpo because the "gods demand." I do not like sheep on my island. No sir. Again he defends himself against foolishness by saying "My reads line up with yours!": On January 17 2012 15:27 Meapak_Ziphh wrote: @Foolishness, you really didn't respond to my points, you just said "I use meta" and then fail to explain how my actions indicate I'm mafia. You failed to address either of the scenarios I put forth. Oh and your line about being hyper aggressive gives me something to do all game, you fail to factor in that I have been and will be hyper aggressive towards player you think are scum. You may not think that hyper aggression is good for the town (normally I would agree however at the moment I feel it's warranted, hence my behavior) however you can't argue that I'm pushing a scum agenda because my reads largely line up with yours. In This Post: Please Lead Me Masters!!!: Note: He's pushing a confirmed town GGQ, over a confirmed mafia, Macpo, while at the same time saying "I feel GGQ is scummier." Now...Being a sheep isn't necessarily a mafia trait, but there was no way to not get Macpo lynched, so he might as well follow the "town leaders" On January 18 2012 06:01 Meapak_Ziphh wrote: Foolishness, Protact/Incog, or BC. Get in this thread and start pushing your chosen candidate or I'm going to go back and vote GGQ. I expected you guys to try and lead this thread, however if you're unwilling or unable then the thread will derp (as it is now). At least when I'm pushing someone the thread has direction, right now everyone and their grandma is screaming scum at someone else. So get in here and start pushing macpo. You three apparently thought he was the best choice for today. I agree he's scummy but GGQ was better... so in interest of streamlining discussion I went with you guys. However none of you have shown any interest in keeping people on track so if none of you have gotten it together in two hours I'm going back and lynching GGQ. Again, supports Sandroba. On January 18 2012 07:06 Meapak_Ziphh wrote: Toad I thought you were scummy because you have terribad reads, however when I go back through your filter I don't get a scum feel from your posts. You're in the same category as WBG is right now, I don't think you're scum but your reads are atrocious (I do agree with L and to a lesser extent BM however, as I've stated a million times, GGQ is much more likely to flip scum than either of them). Being bad doesn't make you scum, so while you're currently off the mark in many regards, you're not scum because of that. Oh I also looked at Sandroba (again), I still don't think he's scum. Given macpo's latest post I'm going to stick with him as the lynch (it also looks like GGQ will be modkilled). Attaches the lynch of Macpo to sandroba: On January 18 2012 12:07 Meapak_Ziphh wrote: Awesome. All you idiots who tried to get sandroba or protact lynched have a lot of explaining to do. OMG, IT WAS YOU?!? -_-...Seriously Meapak, this was a terribad post, with WIFOM out the bunghole. I'm not even going to address anything in it, except my insulting of sheth: "Learn to build a case proper," or subtly insulting me, where Sheth was ignoring all facts, and the fact Sheth immediately OMGUS'd me day one. I had my reasons for suspecting Protact day one/day two, in that's as far as I'm concerned. (Meapaks post on me, where he GREATLY exaggerates.) + Show Spoiler + On January 20 2012 14:23 Meapak_Ziphh wrote: First off, sorry about the delay, second, Sheth is actually better at mafia then I would have given him credit for. Now to opz. This is a scum post. He’s neutral, everything about this post is neutral. Wishy washy and neutral are scum behaviors. Supports a flipped mafia for mayor. Starts calling out and trying to discredit protact. Up until this post he’s never mentioned Lanaia and look at how he does so, he calls her out for neutral posts… lol. He says he’ll point all the stuff out later… I’ll wait for later to see what he has to say. Well that’s his reason, he’s either not putting effort or he doesn’t believe his own case. It’s also ironic since he calls her out for the exact same thing he himself did. This just seems like an effort to split town votes more, especially since he never comes back to her. More discrediting of protact. Here’s my feeling with people who call out protact, it’s fine, to be suspicious on day one when protact’s reads haven’t been shown to be correct, however at this point protact has been right about one mafia and a lot of people in the thread believe he’s on track to a second. Hindsight shows that protact is subsequently right about two more mafia and this begs the question, why is opz so certain protact is mafia? Unless you believe he was bussing, he’s already scored one kill, the worst you should be is mildly suspicious at this point. Also his reasoning is stupid. Basically it boils down to them not signing their posts and having a “random ass following.” News flash, it’s normal for people to listen to players who correctly call out scum. More random calling out of protact simply because they don’t head their posts. This doesn’t make protact mafia lol. So I wanna take all these posts together as one. This is why I brought up sheth earlier. This is his big case, this is his was his push when he was alive. Analyzing and calling out opz. He actually doesn’t have half bad of a case, I won’t rehash it, it’s all in the spoilers. However it’s not Sheth’s case that is the big deal here, it’s opz’s reaction. All the neutrality and careful posting have flown away in the sudden face of raw fear of being lynched. It’s actually very strange how agitated and aggressive opz becomes when sheth calls him out. He pulls out the bold, all caps, and swear words, going waaaay over board. If you’re innocent, you know it and you can approach someone’s claims with rational thought because deep down you KNOW you’re town. Scum don’t have that luxury, when they get called out they have nowhere to run because they know the accusations are correct. I know this fear, I felt it in PYP:I, it makes you wanna either lurk or just go balls to the walls berserk on the person who called you out because there’s nothing you can do to stop them from being right. Opz’s change of tone in this post is hugely scummy before we even get to it’s content. But that said, let’s take a peek at the content. His first part about mattchew is incoherent at best, it seems like he’s saying he’s voting for mattchew because he flipped when he was modkilled :/. He emphasizes the weakness of masons, which is funny considering that he’s supposed to be a mason. He claims he hasn’t been the harbinger of mafia against protact which is pretty funny considering when you read his filter (as he suggests you do), there are certainly a lot of posts dedicated to protact. He ends his defense with some fairly nasty attacks of sheth for no reason, personally insulting him and then OMGUSing as well. Quite frankly I find this post to be worthy of a lynch in of itself, there is nothing townie about this defense, instead it’s about opz screaming “you’re wrong and you’re bad” in all caps and in bold. When this is added to his earlier behavior the case becomes more solid, and that isn’t even the icing on the cake. Guess who died last night? The one and only Liquid’Sheth. Why did sheth, a relatively new player and someone who hasn’t proved themselves as a stone cold scum killer warrant a hit? A look through his filter provides the answer. His life was almost completely dedicated to lynching GGQ. Sheth has done this before. In responsibility he correctly nailed the final scum and was then shot at night. So I ask to consider all of this. Opz’s posts before being called out by sheth, his terrible post defending himself, and sheth’s subsequent death. Opz is mafia. @BC since you apparently harbor suspcions of me please post them so we can deal with it. My first vote will stay on GGQ, I'll decide my second by tomorrow afternoon. On January 20 2012 15:04 Meapak_Ziphh wrote: LOL wow you still didn't read it (or you fail at reading comprehension). He pressures protact when it's fairly obvious protact was town (scummy) and then when sheth calls him out on it he completely backtracks and claims he wasn't a big force against protact (ridiculous contradiction which looks extremely scummy). Please, if you're going to comment at least understand what's going on. Meapak, Please follow your own advice. Excuse me? I claim I wasn't a big force against protract, I called myself the Harbinger of Protract is Mafia....I think that's like me calling myself the guy screaming "HE IS MAFIA" or did you miss that?...Oh I get it, Sarcasm didn't translate well...I thought the "Oh No" gave it away. Or the extra examples of me asking other players about him. Or everyone else that understood it was sarcastic. 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On January 23 2012 16:30 wherebugsgo wrote: I agree that glurio looks really bad. However, BM dies today. There is no question about it, he dies today because his play has been wtf bad and he hasn't jailed people. Like, not jailing people when we elected you to do that, and the one time he jails it's a terrible jail. And also he blackmails all of town into not lynching him by claiming mad hatter and saying the bomb is on Protact. Seriously? At this point it is still possible he is town, but for someone to have played this anti-town all game, I don't care how retarded town you might be, you need to die. It's detrimental for us to leave him alive because he'll consume all our discussion time from here on out. People will keep coming back to him because his play has just created the atmosphere of "ok wtf do we do with this guy?" Lynching him just because his play has been wtf bad is bad. Lynching mafia for being mafia is good. Lynch Meapak. | ||
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On January 23 2012 16:43 BloodyC0bbler wrote: Opz, you voted for a confirmed red for mayor, confirmed blue for lynch and a no show for yesterday -_- No offense but I don't trust your reads. Last thing I am going to say before I wander off to bed, be back when i wakeup. ...I stood by what I said. More than I can say for Meapak. And I'd still rather vote L for mayor than Bill. | ||
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On January 24 2012 03:30 risk.nuke wrote: Negative on that. No matter what the fuck murray will flip. we need to kill people. I haven't read a filter for a while and I will likely not do so untill murray hangs because I'm lazy. But I can promise you I can find atleast two good candidates as far in on a game as day 5. That should be easy. There is no point in saving the double-lynch. We need information and the faster we get it the better. You can't just read a filter dude. You gotta approach it with context in mind. I mean look at sheth's post against me he did, he straight up ignored everything that was going on in the thread. On January 24 2012 03:07 Jackal58 wrote: If an individual that was capable of only typing X suddenly started typing Y you would notice. It goes beyond meta. It's Bill Murray. I spent 3 pages fighting with his smurf in a game until he was mod killed. He was town in that game but his play was the same as it is here in this game. Lies and deceit. It's Bill Murray. Whether he's town or scum doesn't matter. This is how he plays. I don't profess to understand it I simply recognize it. Anybody that claims they can determine his alignment by his actions is lying. All I know is he has the same 20% chance of being scum as the rest of you did at the beginning of the game. However he will be the topic of 90% of the discussion while he's in the game.As such his alignment no longer matters. Seem's like this describes Bill almost exactly like I did. -__- I think BM just sold me on BM though | ||
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On January 24 2012 05:47 Lanaia wrote: I have no fucking idea what that meant when I saw it. I realllllly want to lynch you because I really do believe in LaLiars. But I really want to give you the benefit of the doubt. I personally will hold you to that. You've said next to nothing all game and you really do feel like a detriment to town. You have literally NEVER given a reason for your vote. You've consistently voted the largest wagon without fail. I'm not voting anyone who is in office today because I think BC is town and I don't want to lynch BM today. I'm not voting hiro because Opz is scummier to me. I'm voting opz People I'd like to lynch: slardar opz glurio bum a bunch of lurkers who I think are scummy. I just saw the list of how many people are left and it's 25:6 and that kind of scares me. Thanks for posting a reason. =D | ||
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On January 24 2012 14:00 bumatlarge wrote: Oh and OPZ and I mason'd each other? lol read the PMs again. Yeah, BC totally made up that PM conversation pandemic, and this is completely legit, right? NOTE: Bum completely created this whole IRC conversation. I had nothing to do with it. And I didn't chat real time with BC because he didn't ask/invite me to. Kitaman asked me to come on IRC, sure. | ||
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On January 24 2012 14:04 p4NDemik wrote: BC only chats in irc with his fellow scum buddies like Foolishness. *bigger sigh* | ||
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On January 24 2012 14:09 p4NDemik wrote: Sorry OpZ I haven't read your posts yet I am still running through the pages atm. Don't jump on me yet. You're good man. Don't worry about it, no big deal. You want me to mason you tonight? | ||
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On January 24 2012 14:10 bumatlarge wrote: thats a lie, you mason'd bill yesterday. I know this because cwave mason me just now and told me he masond bill. No...I masoned Bill yesterday. I can mason again tonight. Don't tell me how my fucking role works. Retarded ass fake med. Lets lynch this fool. | ||
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On January 24 2012 14:14 Toadesstern wrote: Ok is this mafia gg'ing like a jerk?  ...Dude...You're like my number one scum read. Besides Meapak. | ||
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On January 24 2012 14:14 BloodyC0bbler wrote: thats odd, VE claimed he used his vet power and saved his own life. Hey kita? shed some light on your save yo. I thought CC saved Kita....wait...Who did CC save then...I need to reread his post... OH!!! He didn't save no one....Is Kita a vet? | ||
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On January 24 2012 14:15 kitaman27 wrote: bum too pro. Is this a vet claim? | ||
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On January 24 2012 14:13 bumatlarge wrote: I demand opz be modkilled immediately this is his second offense. I thought I was posting in the SD Gundam thread. My bad. I copy and pasted the post if you really want to see it... | ||
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On January 24 2012 14:17 Toadesstern wrote: yo dude man, you can't just bus me what are you doing man! In this post: Toad admits he's mafia | ||
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On January 24 2012 14:19 BloodyC0bbler wrote: poors mafia team got butthurt =( incog too much rapage Apparently you missed me and bum discussing in thread our fake pm conversation...and instead skipped that page, just so you could keep arguing with P4N. So I edited my posts so we could let you think the game was still on. But our posts are still up talking about how our PM log is fake. Not butt hurt. Just laughing that no one reads. | ||
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On January 24 2012 14:22 jcarlsoniv wrote: ![[image loading]](http://www.newgre.org/wp-content/uploads/2011/08/Fin.jpg) TL Mafia L: The End ~Opz~, bumatlarge, and Nisani201 were all sitting in their hideout. They couldn’t figure out what to do. Their friends and brothers had been killed over and over again. Their team had been destroyed by noose, hitmen, and the Heavens. They reluctantly came to the decision that they had to give in. All three took to the streets, proudly wearing their Mafia attire. If they were going to die, they were going to do it proudly. The mob was waiting for them in the town center, torches ablaze and pitchforks high in the air. Cries of “Praise L!” and “Long live the scum!” rang through the night, barely audible above the sound of the stabbings, shouts, and cheers. bumatlarge the Mafia Mason has been killed. ~OpZ~ the Mafia Mason has been killed. Nisani201 the Mafia Roleblocker has been killed. The Mafia team has surrendered. Town has proven victorious! I would like to thank you all for playing, and I’d especially like to thank flamewheel for hosting and allowing me to help him cohost. Congrats Town! I appreciate the not randomly modkilling me for editting, and the hilarious "Please continue" after messaging me. From: jcarlsoniv Subject: TL Mafia L Date: 1/24/12 14:12 Yeah, go ahead. This is rather entertaining to read, haha. | ||
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On January 24 2012 14:27 Slardar wrote: I CALLED IT! GEEEEE GEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEE Also Toad and Lanaia damn wrong BAM! Notes - Who was responsible for those amazing blue snipes? I want to hear this. ScumAtLarge is amazing blue sniper. A talent that I didn't even know he possessed. I'm usually not bad, but a bunch of new faces I've never played with, so I was just bleh. | ||
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On January 24 2012 14:27 Adam4167 wrote: I KNEW IT. I knew that shit was coming and I get called a fearmonger for bringing it up. I wanted to do this so bad..it was my idea. I was willing to be a mafia BG, and I would of said to put Ciryandor up to, because his posts in thread had me face palming and I knew he'd be the first of us to go. So honestly BC, I don't think it'd be a bad exchange. and when did you get pmd your BG list? | ||
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On January 24 2012 14:35 BloodyC0bbler wrote: i got my bg list from the hosts like 3 hours before the transition from night 1 to day 2 -_- its why a bg was so high on my radar all game as well lol. but yes, offing me + protract for 2 of you isn't that huge a loss for mafia, while insane for town. + foolishness. Town would of devolved into ravenous animals. Sandroba would of had instant town cred. Him and L would of cleaned house. | ||
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On January 24 2012 14:36 kitaman27 wrote: It was pretty funny how opz told me that you never replied to his initial mason pm and BAM you show up with a set of pms :p You like that? I had no idea he posted that in thread, and when I seen it I bust out laughing. I had posted, then he messaged me, "DID YOU SEE MY PM LOGS?! LOLOL" I was actually expecting the pm to read "WTF MAN I TOLD YOU NOT TO SAY YOU MASONED ME" | ||
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On January 24 2012 14:39 BloodyC0bbler wrote: why did you guys not just stack foolishness/protract both n1 and n2? It would have made me look terribad, and save your game for you lol I wasn't just away cuz I was trying to look like I wasn't here...I wasn't around for a lot of discussion. | ||
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On January 24 2012 14:40 Adam4167 wrote: I wanted to do it so bad as well, I was just slightly handicapped by rolling the wrong side. I even wrote up a post pre-game, volunteering to sub in as a BG, then to my dismay, I get town. 2 new-ish scum as a trade for both elected positions, 2 quality scumhunters and if either of them happened to be blue is a trade I was happy with! It sucked that real life got in the way of me really getting into this game, but these things happen. Still don't know why cheese was focusing on me so much O.o Dude, first off, let me say I love you. And next off Clearly, two Adam's think alike. | ||
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On January 24 2012 14:43 BloodyC0bbler wrote: thats rough opz. Had you spent the time gimping the top players with thread control / scum analyzers I think you guys would have lasted longer. It didn't help that myself, protract and foolishness near cleared eachother by day 2. I was just trying to undermine protract at every turn. Sheth came at me with a crappy analysis with a bunch of technical errors. Made it easy for me to dismantle and ignore it. But WBG just would not shut the fuck up. Omg he was the most annoying person ever to me. Every post I posted would get ignored. I know I'm not the only one that was feeling that way about him either. But I'm pretty sure I'm the only scum player that felt that way about him. Lol. | ||
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On January 24 2012 14:44 wherebugsgo wrote: I caught opz and bum day 1 but then I tunneled Palmar too hard. And I kept forgetting bum. Man -_- ah well. Sorry guys for the lack of effort I had this game. I would have rather been playing in a mini game anyway and this might be the last game of this size I choose to play. I don't enjoy any games larger than 20 players anymore. GG to all! I refuse to say you caught me. You just wouldn't go away. But I wasn't worried about you. No one in town listened to you, and I was your only "correct" read iirc | ||
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On January 24 2012 14:54 bumatlarge wrote: Flamewheel thats an awful lot of blues no scum jack for us?3 meds, 2 dets, 4 vigs, 2 jacks, 2 vets, 6 masons. 18 blues.... | ||
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On January 24 2012 14:55 wherebugsgo wrote: Yep, no one listened because I was wrong about Palmar and I wasn't playing well. I realized that myself after Palmar flipped town that no one would care what I had to say. After that I just lost interest in the game and I kept saying I needed to read but I never read lol. But yes, I did catch you day 1. Toad I just trolled cause it was funny as hell and super never responded properly.. Be humble. You just had fail argument, and all you did was tunnel EVERYONE. I could of posted I was mafia in thread, you could of quoted me, and still everyone would of wrote you off as "this guy is tunneling opz some more" | ||
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On January 24 2012 14:58 BloodyC0bbler wrote: As bad as my mason idea was, im pretty sure it gave a near insta read of town to phil which imo was insanely important day 1. Force discussions. My analysis may have been spotty but I managed to force people to post in alot of ways or force lynches which got people posting. That is all townlike. All those who accused me after day 2 lynch -_- Phil? Also...You made it shitty for us because I was scared to mason someone that I deemed a low level player. "oh hai guys, I talked to OpZ yesterday, here's da logz!" | ||
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On January 24 2012 15:04 wherebugsgo wrote: I just said no one was listening to me because I was wrong lol. I accept I played badly, I even admitted n1 no one was going to listen to me because I was wrong about Palmar. That's the misfortune of being a vocal player; if you're wrong once, no one ever listens to you again. That's why players like Foolishness are so good and renowned; they're rarely wrong the first time. L and BC are beast scum players because they can consistently be wrong yet still be listened to. | ||
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On January 24 2012 15:11 Protactinium wrote: Masons can't really count as blues unless its like, BC as mason. By day 4, mafia were getting steamrolled in the thread but still had 6 members vs. 25 townies, with all the vigs either dead or had their shot used, which is pretty even with the usual 30 player game to start (with no extra KP for town). Basically, the game was close even though the first accusation of the game was on mafia, 7 mafia outed by day 3, and the top 3 players in the game all know each other is innocent. If you just sacrifice some KP to stack Foolishness/me, its pretty much GG as town is left headless/off trying to do their own thing. Especially after I was unable to post at deadline the last day (you would have double stacked Foolishness, leaving me alive with a short list of 3/3 mafia and a red DT check on Munk-E), you still would have had a good chance if not for the 2 modkills. After BM is lynched, you just stack Foolishness and off the BGs + BC. My post is pretty much dead and buried, the only live DT can be perma-roleblocked, and everyone else is pretty far off on all counts. Unfortunately 2 modkills cut your KP, but it certainly wasn't a completely unwinnable scenario given how lopsided the play was. No....It wasn't unwinabble til the modkills. Infact me and bum were going into the day "We're going to win" -_- | ||
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On January 24 2012 15:30 Bill Murray wrote: *bill forgets about quicktime* *bill pms opz with bg names* *kenpachi and kitaman confused* FUUUUUU "FYI I pm'd bill. Kitaman and BrownBear are the BG's. " hahahaha i'm so bad at mafia LMAO....you told me the wrong Body Guards?! omg....lol <3 | ||
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On January 24 2012 16:02 BloodyC0bbler wrote: you should have just decrypted the message I sent you and roba. As hilarity here it is once upon a time there was a magical animal that was furry and brown. It may have been a bear. This creature was so strong that it felled all who went after it. Hearing of the might of this legendary monster a deadly swordsman with an eyepatch made his way and felled the monster with a single blow. As he walked away, wind made the bells in his hair jingle. .....are...you...serious... Did you post the decrypt key in thread? | ||
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On January 24 2012 16:09 BloodyC0bbler wrote: you had the message to decrypt, roba had the key + website to use. Well...Okay...I'm gonna attempt to explain this. I mean...Naturally assuming BM messaged us the right BG's names is the way to go right? I mean...He's on our team, he's the elected and protected sheriff...And he could just message us, yo check it, here's BG's....So I didn't think it was necessary....not to mention I didn't even get what you meant "naturally the key is somewhere else" I fig'd in thread | ||
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On January 24 2012 16:08 BloodyC0bbler wrote: yea, brown bear. The one eyepatch swordmen with bells in hair is kenpachi from bleach hurr durr Like...if you would of did that if we subbed BG's in....omg...that would of been hilarious... | ||
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On January 24 2012 16:27 bumatlarge wrote: Sounds more like MTG cards. When foolishness enters the field, name a player. All players vote that player. The only thing lacking in this post is "It's super effective!" Maybe that can be his quote line? | ||
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On January 25 2012 01:37 jaj22 wrote: I found Sheth a really easy meta-read, as I had him down as obvscum on day 1 in both his scum games and he was a lot less spammy and more constructive in this one. Wasn't at all surprised when mafia shot him, although it was probably a defensive shot like the ones on Toad and VE. Surprised mafia didn't shoot jayjay as he was clearly the sanest highly active poster and obviously town. Was not defensive. Bum shot him because Bum thought he was blue. Not because he was targeting me. We were not scared of Sheth. Well, atleast specifically, I was not scared of Sheth. (til he popped vig....that scared me....like, so close to death I was lol.) | ||
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