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Ok, I have been looking for clues in the first 6 pages,I'll post stuff as I go, day 1 it's hard to get a good case going against anyone,but this is to note: I'm not the best townie here so you might be asking yourself why am I running for mayor, I came here to win and I think the best thing to do as a townie is to try and win the election By Risk.nuke Things that strike me: This guy wants to win, but recognizes he is far from the best townie.What do we do, as townies? Think logically, not run for mayor cause we have a BIG ego.And this is basically what he is doing. The amount of GREEN in his post made me lean towards mafia instead of a blue role, cause he wants to slip under the radar. Conclusion:I think he wants DT immunity, and shows some scumminess. A decent choice for a day 1 lynch. Else he is a bad townie with a big ego, but ,,always townie, never not townie,, doesnt fully convince me and I think he's feeling a bit guilty. | ||
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This guy is not town, he runs for mayor, gives advice Sandroba has so far made 1 post, not giving out a ton, i encourage him to be posting more. Protactinium tries to have a fight on day 1 on the basis that mr wiggles' campaign is not stone-solid. My policy as town would'nt be Lynch all Liars, because non-newb mafia don't lie usually and that you may easily lynch a blue role, which has to make more use of lies than a townie.I would lynch all those unproductive enough to start a fight so easily as Protactinium has. So, day 1 candidates for a lynch, in order: Risk.nuke Protactinium Bumat | ||
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I was hastily posting from school's computer.Bumat is 3rd on my list which means,, wait and see,, He's not town, that's all the reads i have on him. Ill be waiting for Bill Murray to show up to the thread before I even consider him or his candidacy. So far I'm leaning towards voting for Cheese, as he is one of the few people in this game I have experience with. I am more likely to recognize his scum play if he is scum and, lets face it, he has a flaming pony as his campaign picture. So Cheese, since you opened the game with a vote on Wiggles, and he is now also running for mayor, will you be hanging him upon your election? This post and the analysis bumat made on it DO AGREE with. What bugs me with bumat is that his post on blues seems suspicious, as either he's claiming a blue or he is red leading the blues in error by telling them to moderate their actions and not give info as quickly to town. I EDITED THE POST 3 MINUTES AFTER I POSTED REASON: BAD SPELLING. It's not like i went,, On second thought'' then edited 3 mins after because i wanted to say something else. Now i have time, i'll deal with gcq and the others. Right now, my goal is to have the best chance of lynching scum on day 1.PERIOD. Day 1 is a jumble usually,you can not say who is scum and who isnt for sure.Need more info. | ||
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Else he is just a bad townie with a big ego Biggest reason is that I think you're red.Lynching scum is good.Lynching bad townies is middle-to-bad. Lynching townies who really think well is bad. Lynching blues is terribad. Really,I have a big mouth and am not afraid to admit it. So i start pointing fingers. So far i see that you have returned my accusation against me.I could counter-argue that you make me a wordbender when I quoted your post word for word. I can't make anything out of a mayoral campaign that says''Vote me.I am bad at playing scum, I am very good at getting scum lynched''.That is generic. We want a mayor that comes up with sensible,spot-on accusations, not Vagueness. Like others also said, there is bound to be scum trying for mayor.That combined with your post which showsreturned accusations, like you would need to defend by attacking another.Do you feel guilty? | ||
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-------------------------------------------------------------------------------- On January 13 2012 14:56 Protactinium wrote: -------------------------------------------------------------------------------- Show nested quote + On January 13 2012 14:26 Ciryandor wrote: /confirm LOL I won't vote for Kitaman after XLVIII's disaster. He was an absolute derp in that. Waiting for people to put in a serious campaign with a decent policy. This is why I'm waiting for Mr. Wiggles and Cyber_Cheese to provide us with good reasons; and right now, Wiggles has the best campaign of the lot. I of course wonder if Sandroba or Palmar will try to get to the elections again. -------------------------------------------------------------------------------- I'm running for mayor on the platform of lynching Ciryandor. There's no way you seriously think Mr. Wiggles has the best campaign. -------------------------------------------------------------------------------- Hey I agree with this guy, so I'm voting him. I am very much a fan of killing Ciryandor. You give no reason, cite a troll post, yet you are active.I have delved into town-Palmar and yes, town-Palmar usually runs for mayor or takes interest in mayoral elections.More than one-liner posts would be helpful.FoS Palmar. D3, why lynch BM? He first got involved in elections by Foolishness and then posted to say why CC is hypocritical, which is semi-relevant.Maybe he is trying to defend bumat. On the other hand sandro has been like,, I will be running for mayor''. BUT and I can tell you that keeping me alive will improve town's chances by a lot Blueclaim. Rgtheschworz signing out | ||
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Anyway, I was just fishing for info. | ||
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I will format better in the future. So far BC and BM have the most solid cases for mayor. BC-He has been active as he promised so far, is beggining to scumhunt, and ,,I am accountable for my actions'' has convinced me more than the generic things VE, risk, sandroba have been posting. BM-Now I don't know who this guy is, but one thing i'll give him: He had initiative at the start of day 1, built up a believable case against CC trying to force a mislynch, has some support from the town. Still, I will be waiting about 8 more h to decide on my vote.Hoping to see more from those 2 | ||
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I'm gonna vote BM, as Sandroba has the highest chance of being scum out of potential candidates.His posts have been weird enough, he runs for mayor then isnt particularly active or scum-hunting,some of his posts like the one with the eagle landing on his arm disturbed me. I'll keep an eye on the following: Risk.nuke, Palmar. I feel palmar still has a role to play. Don't lynch him day1, maybe day 2 if he continues like that. The whole mason thing started by BC was useless in my opinion.50/50 chance of being mafia/town. Bollocks, they're maybe more town masons than mafia, maybe less. You can't know that, unless maybe.. you have external information. Also, as sandro is suspicious and BC had made a sort of a deal with him, my feelings about this persona shall remain mixed at best. | ||
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If he continues to post 1-liners and fluff, then you confirm what you said, right now. It is suspicious that he wants VE, because VE has f-ed up with his partnership with CC, he turned back on him almost instantly, remember?AND he keeps calling VE bad. But Macpo has raised FoS on himself because of his apologetic behavior, etc. Contrast this to Adam, who is himself relatively newbie, but seems more confident AND DOESNT MAKE LISTS. I will support any investigations on Palmar's actions ON DAY 2 | ||
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Also we should focus on 1 or 2 lynch candidates, and pressure them hard, else we let them get away with diverting attention and starting third-party wagons. Right now, those would be Risk.nuke and Macpo. I encourage them to post in the next 6 hours, else they're scum in my eyes.They're from EU too, so they have no excuse. | ||
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I noticed you actually only contribute when you are threatened.Your post confirms that.Suspicious but not nearly enough to make a case. Then You proceed by attacking your attackers, namely JayJay and me. -------------------------------------------------------------------------------- On January 15 2012 02:29 Jayjay54 wrote: -------------------------------------------------------------------------------- Show nested quote + On January 15 2012 02:17 risk.nuke wrote: -------------------------------------------------------------------------------- He made some bad posts and then disappears, agree. It's odd, but some people have to do stuff on the weekend. He's def a candidate though - Jay -------------------------------------------------------------------------------- I just realised this. Look at my posthistory and tell me if you would describe it as "I made some bad posts". SCUM for softdefending me without seeing my filter. -------------------------------------------------------------------------------- I don't know, if I should respond to that. L had a point and called me out for a reason. I like to clarify things then. And it is important to do so. But your accusation is clearly OMGUS. I didn't even really accuse you and said you might be busy during the weekend. Who are you to tell me that I didn't look into your filter and that I don't keep a spreadsheet? That's just not right. Also, notice how I said bad, not scummy. So a) you're campaign "always a townie" was just. well, bad. I didn't like it, it felt generic, it was badly formated and it lacked a solid gameplan. b) calling out rgSchworz because he didn't like your campaign either in a very agressive and condescending way. again, not even really scummy. just bad. All in all yeah, I think you are one candidate to look out for. After this post even more. Although, and I repeat myself here, I don't even think you're scummy, but you seem scummy, because your posts lack quality. -------------------------------------------------------------------------------- What omgus are you speaking of? Try to get into my head as I am getting into his head. He is doing a typical scum-move, softdefend the townie, In itself it's not a scummy move. Scum loves to do this but townies do this to and that is not what I am reacting on. Here is the thing. Jay refered to my posts as bad. Which to anyone who looks at them could see they are clearly not bad. They are few but there isn't a single irrelevant/bad post in there. So why would anyone call them bad? Well they wouldn't. So why would Jay defend me without reading my filter. Well because he is scum and therefor know I am town and unluckily assumed that the reason I was looked at was a bad post. He was beeing uncarefull and made a scumslip. And Jay haven't accused me so how can It be omgus. Look at the mass contradictions in his followup post. "I wasn't accusing you, but this is omgus" and "I don't think you're scum but you're scummy" <--- WHAT? He is also bringing up rgSchwors which makes no sense unless perhaps feels it's more pro-town to ignore attacks on you. I was just arguing/discussion with rhSchwors when he attacked my candidacy which is the natural thing to do. He's just trying hard to make me look bad. -------------------------------------------------------------------------------- On January 15 2012 02:32 Mattchew wrote: yay for risk.nuke and jayjay tunneling one another because they disagree -------------------------------------------------------------------------------- mattchew, he might be tunneling the me, but I am clearly not tunneling him with one post. Why on earth did you make a post like that for because it's purpose seemed to be to minimize, lessen and prevent discussion of this. Which seems incredibly biased. -------------------------------------------------------------------------------- If I'm elected I'll lynch Jay, I support BC for the election stronger then before because of jay's efforts against him. You're working based on the assumption that your posts are awesome, which they are not. You have started a campaign then continued by NOT PUTTING ANY EFFORT.You accuse JayJay on no basis, instead making the assumption that he's scum to explain your POV. Also scumpoints for using the awesome scumterm "we should" rather then "I will". Utter bullshit.You want to basically isolate me by telling me to use,, I will''. And you know that without town's support, you're free to live another day. SCUM | ||
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Try to get into my head as I am getting into his head. He is doing a typical scum-move, softdefend the townie, In itself it's not a scummy move SO he's doing a scum-move thats not a scummy move? Omg, i sense contradiction | ||
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You are not defending your case. I am NOT convinced JayJay is town, only thing I know about him is that he's active, and seems not to contradict himself.And that he's probably german. Distinguishing bad townie play from scum play is very hard Oh really? Bad townies usually don't have a spider sense that tells them to accuse whoever accused them. That is what you are doing right now, may I remind you. And I don't work based on townreads. I know that we have limited opportunities to lynch scum, and i'm trying to get this done. At the moment, you're not defending yourself, you aren't saying anything of importance other than the fact that I may be stupid, you are trying to avoid this issue I raised multiple times.One more nail in the coffin and you're certainly red in my eyes. | ||
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Considering he has few posts it shouldn't take long to analyze. | ||
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Yeah, Palmar ,,actually started it'' but Palmar was kind of not caring about the game. 1 Liners aren't exactly helpful in a mafia game. So instead i looked at the first poster who agreed on Protact's change to Macpo, from Cyriandor. | ||
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On January 16 2012 16:58 Cyber_Cheese wrote: ##Vote rgTheSchworz Please explain. So far both lanaia and you are accusing me based on gut calls. While true that I haven't posted much, day 1 has pretty much been a mess, and I haven't been able to make that much of it.Macpo is mafia, especially considering his most recent post where basically he advocates that everyone has been bearing on his meekness and uninformed lists. Also he feels solidarity for risk.nuke, which doesnt exactly inspire me. A vote for these 2 is, so far , a vote for town. Really, risk.nuke? Townies read this. If you think someone is scum. Don't say I think he is scum. Quote, point out and explain where and what it is that this person have done to make you feel a certain way. If you find the manner of how someone post suspicious. Explain why. Make sure that the reader can follow your train of thoughts and understand how you came to your conclusion. If you think anything at all about someone else and you want to comment on it. Ask yourself before you finnish typing. Have I Quoted? Have I explained my views clearly? Have I pointed out or marked key parts. Hae my train of thoughts been clear? If everyone only did this it would make the scums life alot harder. A list of what should townies do? That confirms my suspicion.You try to accuse the whole town for not following your,,standard'' procedure As for the confusion, I AM NOT RTGICEMAN.I just found out his battlenet account, if that is any proof. I deem that having 2 accounts on b.net eu is rather useless for 1 person. Also, it appears I've been mixing up rtgICEMAN and rgTheSchworz. However, that's okay because they both feel the same to me anyhow. His posts have been troll posts that show that he has not been caring about the game.I let you decide, but I find it a bit hasty to assume that i am double-acc cheating or to associate me with him in any way. As for the accusations, please go forth gentlemen and speak up. | ||
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But the assumption that I copy pasted from a mafia QT is going too far. I missed your first 2 one liners, because, well they were 1 liners. In the beginning i also made the mistake of editing one post for spelling, when normally i shouldn't have. I hope that you realize that i can make mistakes that are, well, mistakes, and not OBVIOUS scumtells. | ||
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Postponing voting double lynch til Day 3 unless I sense that 2 serious candidates appear and have some people willing to vote for them.I wanted to lynch nuke and macpo, but momentarily no one seems to be considering their cases. Especially as Protact has been right about Cyriandor, and suggested macpo after this post: hi everyone! /confirm. I am a complete noob in this game, so please be forgiving to my small mistakes here and there! I'll try to share my views on this first day. Sorry if it's a bit clumsy, I am doing my best. 1. concerning the mayor election, I don't know if it's a usual thing, but I feel it's a bad idea to have too many people running for the election... in a sense, this mess is already a success for the mafia, isn't it? So, I would suggest that the persons who don't seem to be so concerned with it just stop running for the election, so that we have only a few candidates left. It doesn't mean there will be more or less scums among the left candidates, but at least, we can look more closely to who they are and clarify things. But maybe that's a bad idea! about who could be a good mayor, I am not so sure right now.(how difficult is it to ground any judgment at the moment! ) I think the main thing is to keep in mind that whoever we elect, we are absolutely not sure of who he really is, even if we convincingly voted for him after some reasonable discussion. So let me give my two cents (not worth more!). I have to say I appreciated the candidacy of Mr Wriggles , who has a clear argumentation and is pleasant to read. Not talking too much, making clear logical points. The only thing I am afraid of is that it may be a trick. Also, the Foolishness Bill murray candidacy sounds too big to be mafia-ish. There are claiming their "alliance" too loud, it would be way too risky for them if they were mafia, as everyone focuses on them. So, paradoxically, I would trust them more (or Bill Murray more precisely) as mayor. So I guess I will vote either Mr Wriggles, or Bill Murray; Mr Wriggles being more rational and precise in his analysis (but maybe it's a game) while Bill Murray is more a safety choice (with our very limited information, I feel it's rational to assume that he can't be mafia). But these are only very limited hypotheses and assumptions. How do you guys feel about that? I am also kind of sad that Echelon tee didn't apply, as I feel I share most of his analyses up to now . except for foolishness maybe. 2. Reading the whole 5 pages of debate, I noticed a few things. First is Cyber_cheese. What's the point of attacking Mr Wriggles from the beginning? that doesn't help for town cohesion at all (even more if it's a "joke"). it just looks like he wants to create a mess. Other people seem to have similar concerns with him, so maybe this is something worth discussing alltogether. So what do you think? Cyber, if maybe, could you say a word about this? To make it clear, it's merely an impression, I don't want to focus too much on you either. In a sense, Cyber is obviously not the only one. I feel that there are many useless agressive posts all around. So how do you guys feel about that? For instance, lthe ast one between Wherebugsgo and palmar, (as Toadesstern remarked): What's the point of being aggressive like that if you are town? Correct me if I am wrong, but I see no other reason for such a behaviour than one of them at least being scum. At the same time WBG's analysis sounds convincing for the moment. Others in similar situations would be nisani for instance. But maybe I am missing things here... Feel free to criticize my analysis, I am here to improve! and all my apologies to the misaccused persons, but from what I read in various guides, we have to go through this to find out real mafia... Macpo Bolded parts: How da fuck could you assume rationally he's town on day 1 without being scum?(keep in mind that was on page 28, 6 pages after this started). Questions, questions, too many questions in my eyes. Recapping what others said. Last part hasnt been remarked by anyone: Apologies to myslynches? BE SERIOUS!!! There's bound to be mislynches every damn game. Townies shouldn't mourn those who were lynched, that's wasted time.Mafia, on the other hand, would have a reason: Let the town focus on mislynches and accuse those who started a proactive campaign. Maybe that's going a lil too far, but this player seemed scum by this post. Add those just a short question : how are you so sure that palmar is scum? palmar sounded a bit agressive, but saying he is easy to read? (I am not asking this with an agressive suspicious tone, just trying to figure things out) Also, what is it in BCs posts that makes you feel he is trustworthy? Again,more questions,and a line to clear out suspicion. RED Ok, I feel I have now to address some critiques which got louder and louder to the point that I am close to being lynched. As far as my friendly tone is concerned, please first have a look at my previous posts in the mafia section, and you will see that I am not "faking" this for the purposes of the game (unless I had foreseen before actually starting the game that it would help being mafia later). http://www.teamliquid.net/forum/viewmessage.php?topic_id=133814¤tpage=27 or, in the beginning of this thread, before day 1. http://www.teamliquid.net/forum/viewmessage.php?topic_id=253716¤tpage=16 For further psychological profiling, if you really want to go that far, have a look at the zerg help me thread in sc2 strategy section. Do you guys remember that it is completely normal to be modest and friendly when you arrive somewhere? Think about it: you get on a forum you don't know anything about, how can you even think about doing this weird shit you all do, like random accusations every 2 seconds? I didn't suspect not doing this would bring me into huge trouble, and that insulting and accusing everyone was the way to go. So I feel it's kind of unfair to make me reproaches in this regard. About lists: what's wrong with lists, BM did a list… nobody complains… I still don't get the point. The truth is, I really don't know how to identify who is mafia. I have read many guides on TL, or even on mafia wiki, but hey! it's a lot of (often contradictory) information. Even the vocabulary is a pain in the ass, as I have to go on mafiawiki every two posts to understand what you are talking about. Now I feel my only chance is to be as transparent as possible. So here I am: my strategy was two sided. 1.I should be honest and rational (the simpler, the better), as the first thing you read in guides is that mafia was always trying to flood/spam/lack of argumentation. So I kind of spoke my mind, and especially shared my uncertainties (only liars want to appear to be certain). I tried to do some constructive stuff, at my skill level, like going through the filter and gather information on who is posting and who is not; instead of saying "=> YOU are guilty", without any kind of evidence as so many did, with the brilliant results we know. I am still not sure why I should give up this attitude, as I feel it's more constructive than lots of other stuff. Some people say I didn't want to take responsibility, but that's precisely being responsible: not to attack without any kind of reason. Not to mention the fact that I was one of the first to vote, for Bill Murray (who so nicely now wants to kill me). 2. Also, I definitely tried to make friends so that we can back up each other in case we were under attack (like Mr Wiggles and Echelon toe); I take that from my experience of previous games where it is essential (for those knowing Junta). Maybe it's a bit clumsy, it obviously didn't work, but hey! can you even call a piece of argument against me? But now, because of all this, I feel badly trapped! So I beg you kindly: don't lynch me! If there is any other evidence or question I can answer to, in order to prove my innocence, just let me know. But please (and I don't want to be excessive, but I am afraid it's gonna end up like that) don't make a stalinian trial like you seem to do all the time: "YOU ARE guilty Macpo - No no I am not? I didn't do anything, I wasn't even there! - WHY do you even defend yourself, if you are not guilty??? YOU ARE guilty! Bolded parts: So, you want to make friends,to defend one another? Well, as town, you are a meatshield, dont care if you die if you have done something useful. Only blues and reds would have something to gain.Overall tone does not suggest blueness. Can you call a piece of argument against me, then I feel badly trapped. This nailed his coffin.100% red here. If your aggressors cannot provide arguments, then you are safe, my friend. Why do you feel badly trapped! Because you're red. Now onto GGQ, as some have already voted against him and seems to be a popular choice. | ||
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I'm going to take a look at a few people, GGQ, rgtscworch, BC's list etc. rgtSchwors have been under alittle suspicion but I just saw he signed up for another game. To me that almost feels like a confession. He hasn't put that much pro-town effort into this game to justify signing up for a new game. Train of thoughts. Signing up for another game means he has more time. More time he doesn't put into this game means he is already putting down as much time as he wants to in this game. He is mafia. So, this is a confession, because i'm a newish player who wants as many games as possible to get a feel? I put time into this game,you're posting tons of BS.I'll argument your case later. | ||
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BC is obviously town and I'm voting for him. I lean towards having all masons claim today, but I can see the argument against it as well. Honestly, though, I don't see how being in the open as masons will prevent town masons from operating fully. By the way, Palmar should not be given a free pass to post badly on day 1 so that he won't be killed night 1. That's just silly logic. Being in the open makes PM's public as whoever hides PM's is then suspected.Logic fart, not enough to paint him. So, wait, if you post badly day 1, you won't get lynched?Logic fart. Care to explain why BC would be town? So far he has taken a fair part of day 1 discussion, which was unproductive. I'm not calling him red,because, as he said, he tried to spur thread talk about something other than candidacies. But that has been noted later. filter lynch protact or cyber_cheese yo The most significant of 1 liners i could find. Overall, this player is quite illogical and does not explain his opinions. We have better lynch candidates, but jump on his next ,,big post'' by his standards. | ||
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Seriously, the best thing that we got on him is that he considers macpo a ,,newb town''. This player doesn't have any logic at all, and therefore is hard to analyse.He says that people are bad without any reason, says who to lynch without basis, responds to trivial thread questions with 1 liners. It could be that he's mafia, but We have other priorities(macpo amongst glaring cases). Also, I don't give as much importance to things like: If a flipped mafia doesn't suspect another player , then he must be mafia(the other player). Mafia often bus their weakest players, maybe not as bad as pushing hard for their lynch when the player already has a decent number of votes, in order to weed out liabilities in their roster. Else they attract attention as a group that doesn't fit the town agenda. Prota,I believe you're bussing macpo because of your sudden switch from BC to him once you found out someone was going to notice anyway. Cyriandor was, for you, nothing more than a simple start to your campaign of painting scum-You were planning to switch anyway and let the case be forgotten. After macpo flips red, i'll turn towards you. You're suspicious, but there may still be cases in which you're innocent-I'll delve into it. | ||
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Look at how many votes are dispersed right now,tell me if that is happening. And better give a damn good reason why lynch a single digit (mostly 1 liner)poster who quite simply, doesn't make sense over Macpo, who has already incriminated himself. This is a single lynch day,we must lynch scum else we die from dissension,uncertainty and mafia making a bigger and bigger percentage of us. | ||
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(The only way Schworz would know he is bussing someone is if he was mafia too). Feel free to speculate on my supposed stupidity.Logically before playing i have read some Mafiawiki.I know what the term means. Macpo is a clear case for reasons i have mentioned.I won't switch to someone else unless people fail to vote. ##Vote: Macpo | ||
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On January 17 2012 08:20 Liquid`Sheth wrote: Everyone makes mistakes, I wasn't calling you dumb. I in fact state I've made the same mistake. It is speculation, so we'll see. Did you accidentally type bussing then btw? I notice you never really deny it in your post. Learn to read. No, not at all accidental, i find it more helpful to use an agreed-upon term than a whole sentence to describe the same thing. | ||
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What L has said about the snowball effect is right, but consider this: If you don't lynch scum with any of the 2 lynches, you wasted an opportunity, and made the scum stronger late-game, when you maybe found the scum, but you can't lynch em because their wagon will be the second one. Anyway, since the double lynch is enacted on D3 instead of D2 as I previously thought, it might not be that early to use it. ##Vote: Double Lynch I seriously hope Macpo flips scum, so that at least a semblance of a trail can be found | ||
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I seriously think behind our 3 heads are 2 mafia, or worse, all three of Foolishness,BM,BC are mafia. Foolishness may have supported BM because Foolish is very readable as scum, and thus tried to hide behind mattchew and BM, and also beacause BM had a real chance at mayorship from the start and that if he fucked up, due to his style he is unlikely to give trails. Pretty much a win-win for foolish here. BC has retracted his vote on BM, seemed pretty scared of Protact dying.He does a great job of mimicking scumhunting, while being wishy washy. Protact has found a third of the red team, including L which I did not highly suspect.His posts have been pretty focused apart from the day 1 switches.It would be moronic to kill him. On the other hand, I would have to be a complete idiot to believe BM's hatter claim. Reasons: 1.Why would you lay a bomb night 1 and forget night 2?? You're very likely to miss here,day 1 reads are unpolished at best.Apparently, you want us to believe that you assumed scum was running for the elections and you thought that was Protact. IMO you would not have done that if you were town, because it would have payed off to put a bomb on BC, or save your bombs for later: Think about it: If I die the first night as sheriff , WHO DO I WANT TO OUT : The mayor.That's right folks, BM can't die unless bodyguards are known or substituted both, 2nd case is crap, since then both sherrif and mayor would have died, or else mayor should have denounced bodyguards as SCUM. I pointed out a major flaw in BM's claim. Also posts like this I didn't get to send in anything last night, and I'm like 80 pages behind on reading I don't mind being lynched I've failed you all as a Sheriff Tries to accentuate he's sheriff and important without saying so. Anyone would disagree being lynched, but a townie sheriff more than scum sheriff.Why? Because as town, your ability per se helps town, no matter what.Scum, OTOH have to justify using incarcerate. Lanaia case? He gave a poor explanation, that it would help lower kp when it couldn't(First night, 10 reds). And scum, if they're not power scum, can and should sacrifice themselves should the need arrive. BM is scum, he has been throwing out trash posts including suspicion of both masons who masoned him, while if they were both scum, only one would have bothered.A few trash posts on my suspicion of protact, i said I believed he was bussing macpo, as the latter seemed pretty obvious as scum, perfect target for busses. Also, I wanted to see how protact would react. In conclusion, town wants to lynch KJ, so be it.Null on him atm. But GTF off sandro and ggq, cuz BM is SCUM. | ||
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And of course ##Vote: Bill Murray. | ||
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He could be an uninterested townie, could also be scum.Not the best lynch today GGQ isn't getting lynched today, nearly all votes have been distributed. And priority nr 1 for me is to get BM lynched for the reasons above. Plus, I am interested in seeing how KJ flips, because of BC's virulent response to KJ's accusations. I'll say it again :Vote BM if you think and care. | ||
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On January 21 2012 09:28 Meapak_Ziphh wrote: Ok we're not going to lynch BM. The risk of him being hatter is way to high. Protact is probably the most valuable asset town has at the moment, there's no point putting that in jeoprody. Here's what's going to happen. BM moves him bomb tonight to Bum or BrownBear. we vote DL tomorrow and tomorrow night BM puts his other bomb on whichever person he hadn't previously. Then we lynch BM. This utilizes BM's role properly, and it also gives a set date for BM to die so he won't just get away from this if he's scum. People seriously need to get off BM now. 1.You are suspicious already. 2. Get off BM??Can't you see he is BS-ing about being hatter and playing on your fear?Read my last post. You are being watched | ||
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Coming back to BM: On January 21 2012 12:50 Bill Murray wrote: I'm not taking a bomb off I'm either putting another bomb out, or jailing to try to protect someone like a medic like if someone like Foolishness was just a townie, I could jailkeep them for 2 nights to guarantee they get to late game. That is more valuable. I am 50% protactinium is scum based on the election - it's either him or BC. I'm not moving that bomb, unless we're lynching BC. So, you believed his hatter claim, and now this? 1.Foolishness has not been that useful to town this game.Protact has. Same old,same old with scum running for mayor.What if you, my friend were that one scum? Also, general vagueness in his post, which is not something you want at this stage as town. Why da fuck move that bomb if BC was lynched? Best choice seems to move the bomb on BC seeing that you believe someone up top is scum. IMO, this is a pretty late, weak attempt at bussing, knowing that BC's case can't go till the end.Also he tries to make BC look town, which is pretty much undecided From what I could glean from the thread, mafia seemed not to care about killing the mayor or the sheriff.Well that may well be the sign that they have, most likely, the top 2 spots in town ATM. Sandro's flip tells me that they had to lynch scum D3: It was BM or an inactive,drunk sandro. Obvious choice here. But, hey , mafia are mafia, and BC and Foolish moved their votes onto Sandro 3 or so h before deadline, simulating fear that Protact may die. This was an elaborate move orchestrated by scum, and Bm's wagon never got there. Dirty,scummy votes will be found on sandro's wagon, as they wanted to avoid lynching both BM and Sandro, so they got onto sandro because it makes them look pro-town. I ain't buying it.BM has fucked up big time, we gotta vote him out tomorrow. Vote Double lynch tomorrow.They'll have 5 members after BM's dead, if we nail 1 on D5/N4 either through vigis or DL, we have crippled them enough to make things easier. I am expecting hiro to claim jailed, regardless of whether it is the truth or not. This actually helps town nail BM, is a relatively undetectable lie, as if he isn't Jailed/RB he can give his reads with 1 day delay. So unless hiro is SCUM, prepare for a jailed claim. | ||
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Please explain why hiro wouldn't lie in this situation. | ||
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That didn't seem to be the case yesterday. We would have gotten rid of 2 scum then. It doesn't matter about hiro's read of BM.As long as he feels BM's scum, he should do this,because at this moment, Mafia may well have 8 votes, not 6 and can rig the election by starting a third-party bandwagon under the fear that BM's a hatter and that he may claim putting bombs on other important players. We gave him a night's respite for nothing, and now mafia may rig this again. Hiro will not be counterclaimed if he claims jailed: It would start a fight that would perhaps end in lynching a DT. Any counterclaims to hiro's claim to be jailed will be considered as Scum. Reason:The gain in information,by claiming jailed, is far outweighted by the possibility to start a fight. Also, I account for the possibility of hiro being scum.If he is scum, he wouldn't want to lynch BM tomorrow and claimed DT KNOWING sandro was getting lynched anyways.I explained this above.He gained town credit, and now I account for the possibility of him leading us into a mislynch by being scum,and then claiming framed/miller whatever. Now, if everyone reads my post, no one should counterclaim if hiro claims jailed. I am basically forcing hiro to claim jailed in order to have BM lynched. It is the nr 1 priority now. If hiro reads this and doesn't claim jailed, something is fishy. We'll look into his DT claim then, and decide. I think this way we get the most scum in the fastest way possible. Correct me if i'm wrong. | ||
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I'm not asking you to jail hiro, I'm asking hiro to claim being jailed regardless of your choice this night. This is to assure we're lynching you, scum. You have escaped lynching yesterday by BS-ing us.I think that's unfair. Stop bending what i say, I believed protact was bussing, I was not 100% sure. Unlikely, now that L has flipped red. | ||
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On January 21 2012 22:58 wherebugsgo wrote: How does L flipping red make it unlikely that Protact was bussing Macpo? How does anything you say make sense? Also, I really desire that we lynch BM tomorrow. The fact that he got elected is actually pissing me off right now. L was on Protact's agenda, right? Ciry too, Macpo too. I deem it unlikely that Protact would have pulled this off on 3 teammates. | ||
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I wonder if you're not red and tried(succesfully) to get votes off BM. I wouldn't have bothered lynching BM and Sandro back then, but then you come, claim DT, and surprise surprise, you claim roleblocked last night! I don't paint you red from the get-go, but lynching BM was and is important, and you come and stop that. Your information could isn't something that scum couldn't have, and well, sandro was dying ANYWAY. So fakeclaiming would not have been risky at all. In fewer words: I want your say on BM, and why wouldn't you release the name you checked N2, conveniently stating that most of us consider him town anyway. | ||
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Pointless.This is clearly meant to confuse, as a VT check isn't that valuable unless it's someone important right? Although I want to lynch BM, and hiro voted BM earlier, this has left some room for doubt. The fact that you weren't medic saved means scum don't want you dead. Since some ppl suggest that scum doublestacked, why the F didn't they doublestack you? | ||
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If your check doesn't make any sense, you're scum. | ||
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Now i'm not so sure 3-4 nights of roleblocking are worth a doublestack. | ||
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First case dictates Lynch BM. I am waiting for Hiro's response to cast my vote | ||
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Once per night, you may send in a PM detailing a person you would like to block. That person will be notified that they were blocked .So even if VE didn't use any actions N1 and N2 he would still be notified he was blocked. Either VE is scum and obv wasn't blocked or there isn't a RB in the game. No one claimed Roleblocked D2 and D1. There was a clear target in VE to roleblock. VE or Hiro are scum. So, following this post ##Vote: Double Lynch At this point where we got 1 scum outta these 2, not voting Double Lynch is and should be considered Antitown. | ||
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On January 23 2012 08:22 bumatlarge wrote: I really think hiro has said that the person he checked is blue, so giving us a name now would kinda be a giveaway. Keep the name until he thinks it's relevant. My second check came back Green, but I wont reveal whom till just before the day post. or if BC wants to mason me, I will tell him, but I think he could chose better people to mason then me so Stop speaking about bluehunting, this man has had a green check.Don't give him reasons not to release the name, we'll have a confirmed townie the moment hiro is confirmed. The more we get out of hiro, the sooner we'll be able to judge his alignment. | ||
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On January 21 2012 09:30 supersoft wrote: They're all scum? Is that what you want to say? pfff You guys. Sometimes I don't know what you're thinking. This setup is somehow balanced. I am 100% sure that at least 2 of these guys are town. I am working throgh the thread right from the beginning and sorting my lists and copy quotes. it's incredibly annoying to deal with stupid things like this all the time. I mean. If I reread your filter in endgame. What do I think? If no funny coincidence confirms you as town, you're free to lynch in my eyes. You're unjudgeable. We have to get rid of people like this. I think here supersoft is showing scumsigns.Bc and Foolishness I do suspect, partly because of meta on foolish, he's normally very active as town, and a great town player. This game he has done almost nothing. BC/Foolish are getting too much credit because of Protact right now. Furthermore,unjudgeable means 80% town/20% scum, it's really not profitable to get rid of people randomly. If they're not active they're gonna get modkilled anyway. The solution would be to put the pressure onto these kind of guys,make them post relevant stuff so they can make mistakes. Supersoft looks very scum to me. | ||
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Look at GGQ, town attacked him for bad posts and supposedly sofdefending macpo. Honestly, he too was unreadable, because he simply made no sense. Someone apparently decided that he was scum, when it really wasn't that likely. When you look for scum, you capitalize on changes in behaviour, or disruptiveness. Not complete lack of logic. | ||
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Now I can pretty much gauge how much time is needed for a mafia game. Hopefully I roll town next one, and don't get manslaughtered | ||
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Sheth picked up on that.That goes to show sc2 players are not that stupid. I kept bussing partly because it was inevitable, partly to make cases down the line stronger. I realize it's not simple to get out of your cell as mafia and go finger random guys.Even if you think like a townie, I felt that there were a few subtleties I couldn't grasp. | ||
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