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I'm not the best townie here so you might be asking yourself why am I running for mayor, I came here to win and I think the best thing to do as a townie is to try and win the election

Ill be waiting for Bill Murray to show up to the thread before I even consider him or his candidacy.

So far I'm leaning towards voting for Cheese, as he is one of the few people in this game I have experience with. I am more likely to recognize his scum play if he is scum and, lets face it, he has a flaming pony as his campaign picture.

So Cheese, since you opened the game with a vote on Wiggles, and he is now also running for mayor, will you be hanging him upon your election?

Else he is just a bad townie with a big ego

and I can tell you that keeping me alive will improve town's chances by a lot

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On January 15 2012 02:29 Jayjay54 wrote:


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On January 15 2012 02:17 risk.nuke wrote:


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He made some bad posts and then disappears, agree. It's odd, but some people have to do stuff on the weekend. He's def a candidate though - Jay
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I just realised this. Look at my posthistory and tell me if you would describe it as "I made some bad posts".
SCUM for softdefending me without seeing my filter.

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I don't know, if I should respond to that. L had a point and called me out for a reason. I like to clarify things then. And it is important to do so.

But your accusation is clearly OMGUS. I didn't even really accuse you and said you might be busy during the weekend. Who are you to tell me that I didn't look into your filter and that I don't keep a spreadsheet? That's just not right. Also, notice how I said bad, not scummy.


So a) you're campaign "always a townie" was just. well, bad. I didn't like it, it felt generic, it was badly formated and it lacked a solid gameplan.

b) calling out rgSchworz because he didn't like your campaign either in a very agressive and condescending way. again, not even really scummy. just bad.

All in all yeah, I think you are one candidate to look out for. After this post even more. Although, and I repeat myself here, I don't even think you're scummy, but you seem scummy, because your posts lack quality.
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What omgus are you speaking of? Try to get into my head as I am getting into his head. He is doing a typical scum-move, softdefend the townie, In itself it's not a scummy move. Scum loves to do this but townies do this to and that is not what I am reacting on. Here is the thing. Jay refered to my posts as bad. Which to anyone who looks at them could see they are clearly not bad. They are few but there isn't a single irrelevant/bad post in there. So why would anyone call them bad? Well they wouldn't. So why would Jay defend me without reading my filter. Well because he is scum and therefor know I am town and unluckily assumed that the reason I was looked at was a bad post. He was beeing uncarefull and made a scumslip. And Jay haven't accused me so how can It be omgus. Look at the mass contradictions in his followup post. "I wasn't accusing you, but this is omgus" and "I don't think you're scum but you're scummy" <--- WHAT?
He is also bringing up rgSchwors which makes no sense unless perhaps feels it's more pro-town to ignore attacks on you.
I was just arguing/discussion with rhSchwors when he attacked my candidacy which is the natural thing to do. He's just trying hard to make me look bad.


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On January 15 2012 02:32 Mattchew wrote:
yay for risk.nuke and jayjay tunneling one another because they disagree
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mattchew, he might be tunneling the me, but I am clearly not tunneling him with one post. Why on earth did you make a post like that for because it's purpose seemed to be to minimize, lessen and prevent discussion of this. Which seems incredibly biased.
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If I'm elected I'll lynch Jay, I support BC for the election stronger then before because of jay's efforts against him.

Also scumpoints for using the awesome scumterm "we should" rather then "I will".

Try to get into my head as I am getting into his head. He is doing a typical scum-move, softdefend the townie, In itself it's not a scummy move

Distinguishing bad townie play from scum play is very hard

Townies read this.

If you think someone is scum. Don't say I think he is scum. Quote, point out and explain where and what it is that this person have done to make you feel a certain way.

If you find the manner of how someone post suspicious. Explain why. Make sure that the reader can follow your train of thoughts and understand how you came to your conclusion.

If you think anything at all about someone else and you want to comment on it. Ask yourself before you finnish typing.
Have I Quoted?
Have I explained my views clearly?
Have I pointed out or marked key parts.
Hae my train of thoughts been clear?

If everyone only did this it would make the scums life alot harder.

Also, it appears I've been mixing up rtgICEMAN and rgTheSchworz. However, that's okay because they both feel the same to me anyhow.

hi everyone!

/confirm.

I am a complete noob in this game, so please be forgiving to my small mistakes here and there!
I'll try to share my views on this first day. Sorry if it's a bit clumsy, I am doing my best.

1. concerning the mayor election, I don't know if it's a usual thing, but I feel it's a bad idea to have too many people running for the election... in a sense, this mess is already a success for the mafia, isn't it? So, I would suggest that the persons who don't seem to be so concerned with it just stop running for the election, so that we have only a few candidates left. It doesn't mean there will be more or less scums among the left candidates, but at least, we can look more closely to who they are and clarify things. But maybe that's a bad idea!

about who could be a good mayor, I am not so sure right now.(how difficult is it to ground any judgment at the moment! ) I think the main thing is to keep in mind that whoever we elect, we are absolutely not sure of who he really is, even if we convincingly voted for him after some reasonable discussion.
So let me give my two cents (not worth more!).
I have to say I appreciated the candidacy of Mr Wriggles , who has a clear argumentation and is pleasant to read. Not talking too much, making clear logical points. The only thing I am afraid of is that it may be a trick. Also, the Foolishness Bill murray candidacy sounds too big to be mafia-ish. There are claiming their "alliance" too loud, it would be way too risky for them if they were mafia, as everyone focuses on them. So, paradoxically, I would trust them more (or Bill Murray more precisely) as mayor.
So I guess I will vote either Mr Wriggles, or Bill Murray; Mr Wriggles being more rational and precise in his analysis (but maybe it's a game) while Bill Murray is more a safety choice (with our very limited information, I feel it's rational to assume that he can't be mafia). But these are only very limited hypotheses and assumptions. How do you guys feel about that?

I am also kind of sad that Echelon tee didn't apply, as I feel I share most of his analyses up to now . except for foolishness maybe.

2. Reading the whole 5 pages of debate, I noticed a few things. First is Cyber_cheese. What's the point of attacking Mr Wriggles from the beginning? that doesn't help for town cohesion at all (even more if it's a "joke"). it just looks like he wants to create a mess. Other people seem to have similar concerns with him, so maybe this is something worth discussing alltogether. So what do you think? Cyber, if maybe, could you say a word about this?

To make it clear, it's merely an impression, I don't want to focus too much on you either. In a sense, Cyber is obviously not the only one. I feel that there are many useless agressive posts all around. So how do you guys feel about that? For instance, lthe ast one between Wherebugsgo and palmar, (as Toadesstern remarked): What's the point of being aggressive like that if you are town? Correct me if I am wrong, but I see no other reason for such a behaviour than one of them at least being scum. At the same time WBG's analysis sounds convincing for the moment. Others in similar situations would be nisani for instance. But maybe I am missing things here...

Feel free to criticize my analysis, I am here to improve! and all my apologies to the misaccused persons, but from what I read in various guides, we have to go through this to find out real mafia...


Macpo

just a short question : how are you so sure that palmar is scum? palmar sounded a bit agressive, but saying he is easy to read? (I am not asking this with an agressive suspicious tone, just trying to figure things out)
Also, what is it in BCs posts that makes you feel he is trustworthy?

Ok, I feel I have now to address some critiques which got louder and louder to the point that I am close to being lynched.
As far as my friendly tone is concerned, please first have a look at my previous posts in the mafia section, and you will see that I am not "faking" this for the purposes of the game (unless I had foreseen before actually starting the game that it would help being mafia later).
http://www.teamliquid.net/forum/viewmessage.php?topic_id=133814&currentpage=27
or, in the beginning of this thread, before day 1.
http://www.teamliquid.net/forum/viewmessage.php?topic_id=253716&currentpage=16
For further psychological profiling, if you really want to go that far, have a look at the zerg help me thread in sc2 strategy section.

Do you guys remember that it is completely normal to be modest and friendly when you arrive somewhere? Think about it: you get on a forum you don't know anything about, how can you even think about doing this weird shit you all do, like random accusations every 2 seconds? I didn't suspect not doing this would bring me into huge trouble, and that insulting and accusing everyone was the way to go. So I feel it's kind of unfair to make me reproaches in this regard.
About lists: what's wrong with lists, BM did a list… nobody complains… I still don't get the point. The truth is, I really don't know how to identify who is mafia. I have read many guides on TL, or even on mafia wiki, but hey! it's a lot of (often contradictory) information. Even the vocabulary is a pain in the ass, as I have to go on mafiawiki every two posts to understand what you are talking about.

Now I feel my only chance is to be as transparent as possible. So here I am: my strategy was two sided.
1.I should be honest and rational (the simpler, the better), as the first thing you read in guides is that mafia was always trying to flood/spam/lack of argumentation. So I kind of spoke my mind, and especially shared my uncertainties (only liars want to appear to be certain). I tried to do some constructive stuff, at my skill level, like going through the filter and gather information on who is posting and who is not; instead of saying "=> YOU are guilty", without any kind of evidence as so many did, with the brilliant results we know. I am still not sure why I should give up this attitude, as I feel it's more constructive than lots of other stuff.
Some people say I didn't want to take responsibility, but that's precisely being responsible: not to attack without any kind of reason. Not to mention the fact that I was one of the first to vote, for Bill Murray (who so nicely now wants to kill me).
2. Also, I definitely tried to make friends so that we can back up each other in case we were under attack (like Mr Wiggles and Echelon toe); I take that from my experience of previous games where it is essential (for those knowing Junta). Maybe it's a bit clumsy, it obviously didn't work, but hey! can you even call a piece of argument against me?
But now, because of all this, I feel badly trapped!
So I beg you kindly: don't lynch me! If there is any other evidence or question I can answer to, in order to prove my innocence, just let me know. But please (and I don't want to be excessive, but I am afraid it's gonna end up like that) don't make a stalinian trial like you seem to do all the time:
"YOU ARE guilty Macpo
- No no I am not? I didn't do anything, I wasn't even there!
- WHY do you even defend yourself, if you are not guilty??? YOU ARE guilty!

I'm going to take a look at a few people, GGQ, rgtscworch, BC's list etc. rgtSchwors have been under alittle suspicion but I just saw he signed up for another game. To me that almost feels like a confession. He hasn't put that much pro-town effort into this game to justify signing up for a new game. Train of thoughts. Signing up for another game means he has more time. More time he doesn't put into this game means he is already putting down as much time as he wants to in this game. He is mafia.

BC is obviously town and I'm voting for him.

I lean towards having all masons claim today, but I can see the argument against it as well. Honestly, though, I don't see how being in the open as masons will prevent town masons from operating fully.

By the way, Palmar should not be given a free pass to post badly on day 1 so that he won't be killed night 1. That's just silly logic.

filter
lynch protact or cyber_cheese yo

(The only way Schworz would know he is bussing someone is if he was mafia too).

On January 17 2012 08:20 Liquid`Sheth wrote:


Everyone makes mistakes, I wasn't calling you dumb. I in fact state I've made the same mistake. It is speculation, so we'll see. Did you accidentally type bussing then btw? I notice you never really deny it in your post.

I didn't get to send in anything last night, and I'm like 80 pages behind on reading
I don't mind being lynched
I've failed you all as a Sheriff

On January 21 2012 09:28 Meapak_Ziphh wrote:
Ok we're not going to lynch BM. The risk of him being hatter is way to high. Protact is probably the most valuable asset town has at the moment, there's no point putting that in jeoprody. Here's what's going to happen. BM moves him bomb tonight to Bum or BrownBear. we vote DL tomorrow and tomorrow night BM puts his other bomb on whichever person he hadn't previously. Then we lynch BM. This utilizes BM's role properly, and it also gives a set date for BM to die so he won't just get away from this if he's scum.

People seriously need to get off BM now.

On January 21 2012 12:50 Bill Murray wrote:
I'm not taking a bomb off
I'm either putting another bomb out, or jailing to try to protect someone like a medic like if someone like Foolishness was just a townie, I could jailkeep them for 2 nights to guarantee they get to late game. That is more valuable. I am 50% protactinium is scum based on the election - it's either him or BC. I'm not moving that bomb, unless we're lynching BC.

On January 21 2012 22:58 wherebugsgo wrote:


How does L flipping red make it unlikely that Protact was bussing Macpo?

How does anything you say make sense?

Also, I really desire that we lynch BM tomorrow. The fact that he got elected is actually pissing me off right now.

Once per night, you may send in a PM detailing a person you would like to block. That person will be notified that they were blocked

On January 23 2012 08:22 bumatlarge wrote:


I really think hiro has said that the person he checked is blue, so giving us a name now would kinda be a giveaway. Keep the name until he thinks it's relevant.

My second check came back Green, but I wont reveal whom till just before the day post. or if BC wants to mason me, I will tell him, but I think he could chose better people to mason then me so

On January 21 2012 09:30 supersoft wrote:


They're all scum? Is that what you want to say? pfff You guys. Sometimes I don't know what you're thinking.
This setup is somehow balanced.
I am 100% sure that at least 2 of these guys are town.
I am working throgh the thread right from the beginning and sorting my lists and copy quotes. it's incredibly annoying to deal with stupid things like this all the time.

I mean. If I reread your filter in endgame. What do I think? If no funny coincidence confirms you as town, you're free to lynch in my eyes. You're unjudgeable. We have to get rid of people like this.