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With what Sandroba has said here. I approve of wanting to lynch him. Still thinking about what Protactinium posted. http://www.teamliquid.net/forum/viewmessage.php?topic_id=253716&user=21688 | ||
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On January 15 2012 03:28 Bill Murray wrote: Ciryandor how have I not provided one name I want to lynch Sandroba | ||
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On January 14 2012 02:47 Protactinium wrote: What does this post do? Ciryandor does not attempt to clarify his earlier position or attempt to bring us into mutual understanding. Instead, he mockingly attempts to discredit me by misrepresenting my statement and reframing it in a way that paints him in a favorable light. I never say that I want to lynch him for having an opinion, I called bullshit on his statement that Mr. Wiggles has the best campaign. Seriously, if you really believe what you said, tell us why you thought Mr. Wiggles had the best campaign. Furthermore, Ciryandor initially states that: While Ciryandor says that he wants to hear good reasons for Wiggles/Cyber_Cheese running, he makes no attempt to draw out information from Wiggles even though it is clear that they are both online (they are both posting until page 24). Instead, he loosely dismisses my accusations as well as GGQ's, and proceeds to babble nonsense about Foolishness and Bill Murray. Ciryandor is twisting my words. Ciryandor is bullshitting that Wiggles has the best campaign. Ciryandor shows no further interest in extracting information about Wiggles' campaign despite claiming he wanted good reasons. Ciryandor continues to babble on about useless topics (Bill Murray) after giving a strange reaction to my/GGQ's accusations. I've noticed that a lot of players are omitting my campaign for mayor in their lists of people running for mayor. But I'm not trolling. I am seriously running for mayor on the platform of lynching Ciryandor. I noticed that also. What about this Ciryandor, have you forgotten about him or is he not as important at the moment? He hasn't posted much after you wanted to lynch him if you were elected. On January 14 2012 20:02 Macpo wrote: It's getting clear that Bill Murray is the way to go. Mr Wiggles, a good town, but he just doesn't want to be on the stage too much, so I guess the mayor role doesn't suit him very well. BC: way too unclear and risky for me; he is trying too much stuff, going for a thousand contradictory stuff, taking back what he said and so on. Bill has shown a lot of presence, and has made reasonable analyses, plus he is not afraid. That's enough for me up to now, I think we won't have better than that. To those complaining about me being rational, it's getting obvious that they prefer random one line crap to argumentation. I'll answer back when they'll meet my standards. Also, I changed my mind on Cybercheese, as he opened my eyes on the the BC case. To bill: some people here have NOT posted yet at all!! I feel fine about lynching sandroba, as he acts quite scummy, but I suggest that if you are elected, you lynch someone who has not talked yet. statistics we'll be that it is mafia. Following what you posted, I feel that I cannot trust Bill Murray anymore. | ||
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On January 14 2012 22:58 Toadesstern wrote: woke up and I'm at this post. Yeah I liked bum a lot too but I don't really like the people he likes ![]() So you went from liking him to not liking him because of the people he likes. On January 16 2012 01:52 Toadesstern wrote: btw I'm not convinced risk.nuke is mafia at all :p I'd gladly lynch scumdroba or bum. I think sandroba is more scummy however I am a little afraid that we might end up lynching a townie because BC might be a mafia too. If BC's a mafia I don' think sandroba is mafia. Conclusion: I want to lynch sandroba. I'd rather not risk lynching BC so early and lynching sandroba is way better information for us while giving pretty decent chance to hit a red mine Now you want to lynch him? On January 16 2012 08:20 Toadesstern wrote: as promised (sry took longer because I completly forgot it ![]() I don't like the fact that BC lynched Palmar at all. Sandroba was the guy who made BC lynch Palmar instead of whoever he wanted to lynch first. I asked BC and Sandroba to show me their pm logs, neither one did it and I don't like the coincidence of bc masoning sandroba although I have to agree that that one point probably is circular reasoning because I think it's something that makes bc scummy ![]() Sandroba's budding with Palmar (without a reason) and with BC (without giving an explanation). Also he voted BC. If you now look at what I posted about bum and BC you realize that there's a lot of mentioning each other within this circle of BC-Bum-Sandroba. I've got the feeling sandroba is trying to trick me/ us his picks and his style obviously is not helping at all. My highest priority to lynch right now would be sandroba, followed by bum. I won't support a bc lynch although I think he's leaning scum for me right now because I'm not sure about my judgement of bc yet. I'd say he's got a 30-50% of flipping red instead of true 10 out of 50. Yes you did say a little about it but all you have now is a feeling. Why did it go from people he trusted to just a feeling? On January 16 2012 09:36 Toadesstern wrote: Yeah I had a town read on bum early on too. The scary thing about protac for me btw (because I did not explain why I called it scary) is that he looks townish to me but I can't realy put it down with words. I'm not trusting myself there at all because I don't even know why I got that townread, it just feels townish because I really liked the big post he did. Sure that' something but that' should not be enough to give me a townread when he's lurking so hardcorde. Why does palmars flip make people like zeks or opz look bad? I'm going to be honest here: They're both a big blank note for me. Go back to bum. Is he MAFIA or not? Can you explain more besides this "I got this bad feeling because so and so are together". I'd like to believe you but there is uncertainty for now. Is there also a possibility that one of them could be town led astray? Still reading a day or two worth of text =\ | ||
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On January 16 2012 12:09 kingjames01 wrote: Crap, pressed Enter accidentally. blahz0r, you are attempting to justify your choice for tomorrow's lynch. Since, you as mafia, NEED AN EXCUSE to vote, you just dug around looking for someone, anyone, to cast suspicion on. You're also not doing it very convincingly. mafia: blahz0r Justify what choice? http://www.teamliquid.net/forum/viewmessage.php?topic_id=253716¤tpage=66#1314 This is the only post where I have said anything about lynching someone. I'm just questioning him. I found it odd with what he said. I agree that I might not be doing it convincingly. Are my points not valid for doing so? Also it's my first game. If something doesn't make sense, feel free to point it out. | ||
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Kenpachi, I don't know who you are, feel free to go into depth about why you think I'm mafia. kingjames01, from your last few posts, it looks like you're hopping around trying to move the discussion in all sorts of directions. I want to refer to BloodyC0bbler's post http://www.teamliquid.net/forum/viewmessage.php?topic_id=253716¤tpage=84#1661 . You sound like Mafia to me or some stupid townie just out there pointing fingers. I'd like to also go back to this: On January 16 2012 12:09 kingjames01 wrote: Crap, pressed Enter accidentally. blahz0r, you are attempting to justify your choice for tomorrow's lynch. Since, you as mafia, NEED AN EXCUSE to vote, you just dug around looking for someone, anyone, to cast suspicion on. You're also not doing it very convincingly. mafia: blahz0r I am not justifying anything. Stop putting words in my mouth. Lanaia: Is that it? You like the case on me, cool. All you provided is a list, a list by which you think who is who. Anyone can do that. Noting you down just in case people refer back to this post if I die. I guarantee I am town. If I die, I want everyone to look back on these guys. | ||
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On January 16 2012 18:30 Kenpachi wrote: ##vote blahz0r Did you completely ignore my post? Seems like it. | ||
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On January 17 2012 12:32 VisceraEyes wrote: THANK YOU!!!! FUCK!! WAS THAT SO HARD?! @Town I believed BM has scumslipped that there are 2 mafia masons and has been scrambling to cover up that fact. Go back and reread his last few posts and tell me if I'm just seeing things. Are you still voting for lynch on sandroba ? According to the voting thread both you and BM are voting for sandroba, unless this has changed in the time I am typing this out. The quote says to me that you think he is mafia yet you both are voting the same person. Why is that? I was skimming through while dota 2. Hopefully I didn't miss something important that contradicts what my opinion is of what just happened. | ||
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On January 17 2012 10:07 Bill Murray wrote: ##Vote: BloodyC0bbler On January 17 2012 11:42 Bill Murray wrote: ##Vote: Sandroba | ||
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On January 17 2012 14:53 kingjames01 wrote: I have a long day tomorrow and it starts really early so this is going to be my last post for the night. Town: kitaman27 was shot Night 1 which accounts for the last mafia KP. We can trust what he says without worrying if he's lying to us. He may be wrong, but he's pro-Town. kitaman27: Kurumi shot Ciryandor. I also believe L to be mafia and I'm glad that you agree. You say we can trust what he says regardless if he's right or wrong. It's been uncontested that he was shot and took away one possible kill from Mafia. Not many people have posted about this. Here's what my initial thoughts were: What if he was lying about being shot and by chance the last mafia kill was prevented by something not mentioned in the thread. If no one contested this, this would cause issues later on as we would be trusting someone who is leading us in the wrong direction. If he was town, there should not be any contest to this as any Mafia trying to would put themselves at risk. Still thinking who I should vote =\ | ||
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This one in particular: On January 17 2012 13:53 Bill Murray wrote: oh shit rgshworz associative tell city i'm voting macpo On January 15 2012 18:59 Bill Murray wrote: ahh well, that's not what I thought, either whatever, we can work with it, even if we don't have a confirmable PR yet Our masons are truly expendable. Sheriff is a protective role. The person I lock up can't die at night. I can limit mafia KP that way, or I can tactically use it to lower their KP in another way, but where it would be hard to know whether or not they doublestacked, I'm not sure if I want to go that route, even if it was my original plan. I am going to go ahead and post who I'm going to arrest before the night ends Would you like to explain why the masons are expendable? | ||
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Here he says BC is town On January 15 2012 21:52 Bill Murray wrote: Town supersoft Cyber_Cheese Toadesstern Adam4167 Foolishness Nisani201 EchelonTee Jayjay54 L Liquid`Sheth kitaman27 BloodyC0bbler Kurumi p4NDemik Meapak_Ziphh wherebugsgo Dont want to lynch: VisceraEyes Jitsu Mr. Wiggles ~OpZ~ Ciryandor Jackal58 hiro protagonist GiygaS BrownBear Where have you been? Wouldn't mind lynching these lurkers: igabod zeks evantrees Chaosquo Cwave Slardar rgTheSchworz Scamp glurio rtgICEMAN Maxella blahz0r GGQ Lynch, Lynch, Lynch!: Protactinium (Mystlord/Incognito) sandroba risk.nuke Munk-E scumatlarge Lanaia Macpo Mafia In about 2 days, he gained some information about BC or is making stuff up... On January 17 2012 10:07 Bill Murray wrote: BC is mafia I am voting BC I have been masoned by 2 people, NONE OF THEM ARE OPZ OR BC On January 17 2012 11:42 Bill Murray wrote: 2 people who are masons are mafia together the sandroba lynch gives us a lot of information Later he gives the names of the BGs to the two masons that "masoned" him. Something is a lie here. If OPZ and/or BC are masons, which side are they on. There is no information given why he thinks BC is Mafia after initially stating he is town. Did he give the names of the BGs to the mafia masons or to the town masons. No one has questioned him since that day about this. We don't know if the BGs are safe or not. If someone has something relevant to this, please fill in the gaps as this is really bugging me. | ||
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On January 19 2012 04:30 GGQ wrote: As day 1 was coming to close, Protact was leading the mayor vote and promising to lynch Macpo after already calling out ciryandor. It's possible he's scum bussing two teammates but that's not likely enough to be seriously considered at this point. It's far more likely that the scum are players trying to distract from lynching these two on day 1, like wherebugsgo pushing hard on palmar all day, supersoft joining him, BC lynching palmar. Looking at the KP formula. I think that wouldn't be a bad idea on Mafia's part. Look at this scenario: He gets two of his teammates killed, that leaves 8/10 remaining. They have enough members to still kill every night and we fall into his trap of believing he is definitely town. I think if he gets another killed, dropping the Mafia KP by 1, that he would be safely deemed town. Still reading =x | ||
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The following was posted before his Night 2 post... On January 18 2012 13:26 Protactinium wrote: Ignore what I last said. BM please incarcerate L. Medics, protect Foolishness/me, obviously. Hopefully jailing L will -1 KP and deter the mafia from shooting Foolishness/me from lowered KP and the fact that medics could completely screw them over. If BM chooses to jail randomly again, then something is wrong. Did BM do that? Does incarcerate only work on one hit? Need answers... | ||
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On January 19 2012 12:47 VisceraEyes wrote: Incarcerate means the target can't be targeted by ANYTHING. Period. ALL shots fired will fail, as well as DT checks. Okay then I think Bill Murray should tell us who he incarcerated. This should give us a good clue on who we should be lynching/killing. | ||
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On January 19 2012 12:59 VisceraEyes wrote: Actually, Sandroba called out L. I'm unvoting him. Hmm... Protactinium has Sandroba on his list but isn't one of two people for today's lynches. I'll read more into it. | ||
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On January 20 2012 12:35 kingjames01 wrote: Well let's wait until BC has a chance to do his 'analysis' and then we can all decide together. Until then I am not going to respond anymore. Too many posts and we're all going to lose focus. If I am going to get mislynched I want to draw out a few of my suspects. I hope the mafia are wishing that they had killed me already. According to the Day 3 tally flamewheel put up, BloodyC0bbler has voted for you. Do you have anything to say about this? I find it odd that you want to wait out for him to do more analysis of other targets. It looks like he already chose his two people unless this is to be changed. A few of your posts have also been a bit misleading at least to me. Currently I'm leaning towards voting kingjames01 as my second target. | ||
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On January 14 2012 09:08 kingjames01 wrote: Alright, I've been at work all day and it's taken me quite a while to catch up in the reading. I'm going to reiterate, that I support the Bodyguards being made public. There was a point raised earlier which suggested that if this plan were carried through, the elected officials would be more vulnerable. I don't think that is the case. I have already stated my reasoning but here is the idea again. If at least one of the Bodyguards is Town, then they player has to die before our Mayor and/or Sheriff are vulnerable. If both Bodyguards die, everyone will be on guard and can then start to protect the elected officials. If at most one dies, then the Mayor and/or Sheriff are still safe. Why? Because the mafia will have to trade at least one of their own to kill the Mayor and/or Sheriff. Next, I think the Mass Mason Roleclaim is a terrible plan. The mafia know the roles of 10 players out of 50, namely, their own players. If all of the Masons claim, then they know the roles of more players in the game. If they can, they will target our powerful Blue roles, like Town Jack, Medic, Detective. Why are you guys okay with helping them to narrow down their targets? On January 16 2012 11:59 kingjames01 wrote: Why I wasn't able to post in the game is between myself and the mods. The details do nothing to enhance the game and can be revealed by the mods during or after the game. It is entirely within my right to scrutinze you. You put yourself out there when you decided to run for an elected position. In fact, that was one of your pillars on which you ran your candidacy. I have never suggested or supported the lynching of your Bodyguards. As long there are precautions taken to give us the names of the Bodyguards in the event of your or BM's early demise, I am fine with it. However, since I respect your abilities to succeed as scum, I don't trust your intentions. I don't trust your actions. I don't trust your plans. Mafia is a game of information. The control of information is crucial to both sides. In a game with so many posts, information can be lost or buried so easily. Instead, look at our actions and discuss what they accomplished. I am very vocal about the Bodyguards being made public. What was the purpose? To ensure that we at least come out even if the Mayor and/or Sheriff were killed prematurely. I am very vocal against the idea that Masons should mass claim. Why? To allow experienced Masons to work unhampered and be able to disseminate any information in the future without fear of being lynched upon surfacing. I summarize a big-picture look at the major events of Day 1 in an effort to help re-focus the Town. I can't do it by myself but that is the best, pro-Town move that we can all do, other than to find a scum. What have you done? You ran a candidacy based on accountability. You re-iterated that all elected officials be watched carefully. You pushed a calm Town into a frenzy with your Mason claim, (which can no longer be verified). You initiated a mass Mason plan which effectively hamstrings any Masons who want to work in private. You lynched a Town player with input based on some compromise that we can't see. All I'm asking is that you be accountable to your election platform and to your actions. Stop trying to start a fight. Give us your PM logs. On January 19 2012 22:33 kingjames01 wrote: I never said THEY should claim. I supported the Mayor and/or the Sheriff releasing their names. The reasoning was laid out multiple times. However, I'm satisfied that the names are out there in one form or another. When you release names of the bodyguards, aren't you indirectly forcing them to claim? That's why I felt I was being mislead by your posts. Also, your case against p4NDemik is interesting. I haven't paid much attention to him but he has posted a lot recently. I'll read into your posts against him later today. | ||
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On January 21 2012 05:43 Foolishness wrote: Well I'm sorry that we don't want Incog to die when he has caught 3 mafia already. Do ya blame me? If these guys were almost certain that Bill Murray was Mafia, how would Protactinium die to a bomb? That's not possible. This dramatic lynch change is disturbing... Still reading on from this quote/post. I also understand that some of you think I am not town but I will say that my posts were based off my assessment of what I have read so far and I feel the way I've posted is probably not the best method to go about to try to get answers. | ||
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On January 21 2012 07:07 Foolishness wrote: I think we're all blowing this out of proportion and thinking too hard about this. Why are we saying let's not kill BM? Well what if he is a hatter and telling the truth? We not only killed a townie but lost our best scumhunter as well. Do I think it's likely BM is telling the truth? No, but it's a possibility. Is town in a desperate situation where we need to take chances? No If BM is mafia, then mafia will not kill Incog cause they want to keep BM from getting lynched. That's okay cause Incog can stay around to find the rest of the mafia team. If the mafia do decide to kill Incog, then we can go straight ahead and kill BM, and I will not ask questions lol This isn't supposed to be complicated. We don't need to be taking chances at this point so why bother? Incog and BC have both been suspicious of sandroba, and sandroba has yet to contribute all game so we have decided to go with that. Do I think there are better lynches than sandroba? Yes. But that's okay because sandroba fits the theme. I'm not going to sit and argue for better targets, it's important that we are all on the same page. Incog and BC know who I think is mafia, and that will be the starting point for tomorrow's lynch. What chances? If he was a mad hatter, why would he waste putting a bomb on someone who has and still is actively finding mafia. His bombs would be better used on these other mafia targets that you have all believed to be mafia. To me he went from "oh I don't have much time and effort so whatevers" to "oh I'm gonna kill our scum hunter if you lynch me lols". WTF is this ? I'm voting Bill Murray, this looks like bullshit to me. | ||
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