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On January 20 2012 23:19 kingjames01 wrote:Let me explain something to the Town: BloodyC0bbler is a good mafia player. BloodyC0bbler's mafia play isn't restricted to playing from the shadows. He is not afraid to be active in the game. But he is patient. He doesn't jump on every opportunity to wreak havoc. The reason why he's so good at being bad is not because he is smarter than the average mafia player. It is because he is so careful about being caught in a trap which makes him such a good mafia player. BloodyC0bbler only engages people when he thinks that he can draw someone into an argument. We can't check his alignment nor can we verify his role because he is Mayor. The power of having the weight of 3 votes will become more powerful as the game progresses. It is abundantly clear that his choices made in the first Day were chaos-inducing but is that enough to conclusively state that BC is mafia? When it became clear that I was going to be the next mislynch target, I switched tacks and decided that if I'm going out, then I'm going to use my last Day alive to draw BC out into the open. I want him to take a real stand on a very simple analysis. When I don't flip red tonight, I don't want him to be able to say, "oops! Well, I guess I was wrong. kingjames01 was really hard to read." However, that is exactly what BC is attempting to do. I asked him to do one thing. Show nested quote +On January 20 2012 11:53 kingjames01 wrote:On January 20 2012 11:42 BloodyC0bbler wrote:On January 20 2012 11:33 kingjames01 wrote:
I am almost starting to feel bad for you BC. You're like that pathetic little kid that always wants to be heard. You're saying all the same things but you're missing one key fact. IF you really believed me to be mafia, you should be attacking my posts. Am I wrong about p4NDemik? Why don't you use your mafia logic and discuss that?
What are you so afraid of?
I DARE YOU TO TAKE A STAND ON p4NDemik. bad mafia or bad town. That's not a stand. You are attempting to equivocate. On January 20 2012 11:42 BloodyC0bbler wrote:
Regardless, Your posts attacked him for the same general points you were analyzed for.
That's a dismissive lie. If you ACTUALLY care or at least want to MAKE A SHOW OF IT, then read my analysis on p4NDemik. Compare and contrast my intent with his. Compare and contrast the choices we make. TAKE A STAND. Let's see who you really are this game. He agreed to do so. Show nested quote +On January 20 2012 12:05 BloodyC0bbler wrote:
King james I will do what you ask But then he didn't. In his entire mess of a post, he did not do what he agreed to do. BC skirted around the issue so that he did not have to commit to any position. He avoids making a conclusive judgement on p4NDemik by focussing on me entirely. Show nested quote +On January 20 2012 14:02 BloodyC0bbler wrote:
Now this is an awesome post. See you went for a player that protrac missed. Then began to analyze him to death. Normally I would be like, awesome, good job. However. YOU DID THIS ONLY AFTER PRESSURED.
He starts off with invalidating p4n because nisani's argument was not convincing. He does not quote this argument, he does not explain why it was bad. He then throws suspicion down because he believes p4n is establishing future votes. Instead he FoS protrac for his sudden change in how he has acted in thread. He makes a leap to interpret a line of thinking that was not stated. Futhermore he says p4n never interacts with protrac after that. Guess what, Protrac called kingjames out and rather than responding, kingjames promptly ignored the analysis as if it didnt exist.
He then continues to analyze posts saying that p4n threw in an "excuse to vote" on a day that kingjames did not vote period. His reason is actually not a bad reason yet is "scumlike"
He attacks p4n for not scumhunting which is something til this point that he himself is guilty of.
He then brings up a ton of posts that say near nothing. Except one thing. The posts are questions that are trying to get answers for suspect behaviour. He then chooses a line of posts that are asking a question that were not answered that was weird as hell. He then asks someone who called him out to explain why rather than sitting back making general statements. Guess what, thats townlike behaviour.
King james analyzed someone who is clearly playing in the towns interests while obviously not doing so himself. This is a post thats designed to target what would be viewed as a weaker player and making a case where there was none. Near all the points made against p4n were actually trash and it was only designed to bury decent posts and create a scene to distract the town.
He then continues to tunnel p4n. Telling people to only vote for him if they want to analyze him. Meanwhile telling people if they want to vote for information that they can kill p4n. This is a complete contradiction in that if they want to kill p4n they should be analyzing him as well if they have to analyze kingjames to lynch kingjames. He is NOT clear about his position on p4NDemik. Does he ACTUALLY believe that p4NDemik "is clearly playing in the towns interests"? WHERE IS HIS ACCOUNTABILITY NOW? BloodyC0bbler: I DARE YOU TO TAKE A STAND ON p4NDemik. Why is that so hard for you to do? You make a few posts here and there. Surely, with your ability to play the game, you can make a real analysis on p4NDemik. That should be child's play for you. Stop using excuses to focus on me. Take some time and analyse p4NDemik. You agreed to do it. You still haven't produced any results.
I debunked your analysis of him in the analysis I did of you. Your analysis of him imo was shoddy and feels so insanely forced to save your own hide. The man is also playing far better than you are.
The fact of the matter is, you are attempting to draw ME into an argument. You have been analyzed and are up for lynch. You have done pretty well 0 contribution until you were up as a lynch candidate (aside from calling me red day 1 to attempt to stop me from getting elected). You then analyzed someone and put words in their mouth. If you were honestly town you would continue to analyze other players in the event to share information. You know what you're doing instead? trying to keep the light on you and away from everyone else. Burying information that may appear, or letting mafia hide in general.
If you wanted to get away from a lynch you know how to perform to do so, you are not doing that. Go to the gallows in silence, we have more pressing matters to deal with.
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nice vote without explaining it glurio. Get the hell in here and explain your vote.
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On January 21 2012 01:45 Cwave wrote:Show nested quote +On January 21 2012 01:33 BloodyC0bbler wrote:
nice vote without explaining it glurio. Get the hell in here and explain your vote. Mhhh, i got you down as fishy with the whole Kingjames01 dance but you have a point. What the hell Glurio, a grandtotal of 2 posts with ZERO content -.-? And with zero, i mean zero. You posted on January 15 2012 02:56
January 16 2012 23:27http://www.teamliquid.net/forum/viewmessage.php?topic_id=253716&user=68375
care to go into detail how I am fishy for it? Do you not like the analysis done of him? if so why not?
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On January 21 2012 03:01 Jitsu wrote:
1. Guy clearly lurks. He's got, what, 5 posts in the entire thread? Doesn't even come in to explain why he voted on a player. Literally every one of his posts is apologizing for being busy in real life (which really isn't needed) and how he promises to participate (which he never does).
2. In my mind, the Mafia Mason would mason someone last. The idea behind this is because it would take time for the Scum team to decide on who was going to play the part of the mason. He said he didn't Mason anyone Day one because he was too busy reading the thread? Right...so busy reading the thread, you are able to make choices and decisions based on what you've read. I can understand that from the massive amount of analysis in you're filter.
Factor in that his pm to me was roughly half the way through the game day, he if he was reading the thread, would have known I was actively trying to get macpo and jackal as the vote choices and would have known the direction I wanted things to go. He then votes without justifying why. He only justified why this time as he was called out on it.
-_- hes been on my scumlist since he mason'd me as he waited near a full day to send me a message that anyone in the thread could have answered. Which is why I ignored him.
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On January 21 2012 03:14 Toadesstern wrote:
and actually I don't like the fact that BC's going after him at all given that he's a replacement.
your point? If you are replacing into a game, especially a large game you should realize the level of work you will have to do. Excusing someones behaviour for the first day they are in the game is ok, however, when you make posts like
On January 16 2012 23:27 glurio wrote:
Sorry for being so inactive, it took me till today to read up on everything. It was much more than I expected.
I will be more active from now on and participate.
then your next post is
On January 21 2012 02:04 glurio wrote:
I voted how I did because I agree with p4ndemiks analysis of BM, he lately really started behaving weird. Also he is most likely to get lynched since he got the most votes. If hes a mad hatter, like he claimed and only placed one bomb so far, that would suck but it's a risk we should take.
kingjames i find really confusing he does nothing but accuse different people with weak at best arguments for being mafia. I have to admit i'm not completely convinced he's mafia, but without him we could maybe spend more ressources towards finding some more mafia and less random pointing.
I'm still not completely set on the kingjames vote, so if someone can convince me of someone better i will consider it.
I'm going out tonight, so i might not be able to change my vote in time. Will try my best though.
Also i'm claiming Mason.
Did anyone notice the difference in pages?
page 88 then next on page 145.
He still voted last game day, and said he had caught up. Moment you make a statement like "i have read everything and will be active from now on" then don't have a single post in near 60 pages? and that post was made as you were called out for sheeping without justifying yourself?
He's being called out because hes done nothing to say hes town. In fact his actions say otherwise. Promises to be active then never doing so. Why would I give him a break? Him being a mason just means that a potential red in the masons has been found. His sketchy behaviour is why hes being looked at.
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On January 21 2012 03:54 Toadesstern wrote:Show nested quote +On January 21 2012 03:44 BloodyC0bbler wrote:On January 21 2012 03:14 Toadesstern wrote:
and actually I don't like the fact that BC's going after him at all given that he's a replacement. your point? If you are replacing into a game, especially a large game you should realize the level of work you will have to do. Excusing someones behaviour for the first day they are in the game is ok, however, when you make posts like On January 16 2012 23:27 glurio wrote:
Sorry for being so inactive, it took me till today to read up on everything. It was much more than I expected.
I will be more active from now on and participate. then your next post is On January 21 2012 02:04 glurio wrote:
I voted how I did because I agree with p4ndemiks analysis of BM, he lately really started behaving weird. Also he is most likely to get lynched since he got the most votes. If hes a mad hatter, like he claimed and only placed one bomb so far, that would suck but it's a risk we should take.
kingjames i find really confusing he does nothing but accuse different people with weak at best arguments for being mafia. I have to admit i'm not completely convinced he's mafia, but without him we could maybe spend more ressources towards finding some more mafia and less random pointing.
I'm still not completely set on the kingjames vote, so if someone can convince me of someone better i will consider it.
I'm going out tonight, so i might not be able to change my vote in time. Will try my best though.
Also i'm claiming Mason. Did anyone notice the difference in pages? page 88 then next on page 145. He still voted last game day, and said he had caught up. Moment you make a statement like "i have read everything and will be active from now on" then don't have a single post in near 60 pages? and that post was made as you were called out for sheeping without justifying yourself? He's being called out because hes done nothing to say hes town. In fact his actions say otherwise. Promises to be active then never doing so. Why would I give him a break? Him being a mason just means that a potential red in the masons has been found. His sketchy behaviour is why hes being looked at. the problem I have with that one is that there's a bunch of people like this and you pick out of all those guys the guy who replaced in? Sure it's not looking good but why this guy? Just because he popped in? Why are you not asking other people as well? You know, I made a big case on sandroba (a vet) which is basicly about him refusing to play pro-town and not only about lurking. There's people like munk-E, Slardar, Kenpachi (I guess he's something special) and someother people who posted like 1 page of filter in this game.
Read my filter. Do you recall this post.
On January 19 2012 06:52 BloodyC0bbler wrote:
going to be heading off to work shortly so I shall throw this up now.
I mason'd Protract for this cycle and have been communicating off and on for the day.
All medics, foolishness and protract are your responsibility tonight to defend.
As things stand now, ggq/jackal are the two I intend on pushing come the lynch, again barring any new information. All masons playing in pm land but not posting in thread be warned, you will be put up for analysis / lynch if you don't get your act together.
He was warned. He has failed to contribute, he attempted to skate by with a vote on 2 bandwagons without saying why. Why would I not call him out.
As for asking others? Just because I haven't outed them yet doesn't mean I havent been watching their posts.
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On January 21 2012 03:56 p4NDemik wrote:
Fair enough BC and your suspicions are somewhat justified but you cannot deny that you reap what you sow. To me he very much embodies what a new townie put in his situation would do when confronted by the atmosphere you created earlier in the thread. This doesn't make him town, but there is plenty of reason to not leap to conclusions here.
glurio you need to fill the gaps here and prove your innocence through actions moving forward. You are being watched now and you need to make steps towards finding mafia going forward. If you are intimidated and feel your role is useless you still have the option to press for your questions to be answered in this thread. BC what was the irrelevant question that he asked you? This is a good time to start getting some information about both his and your intentions.
He asked me what he posted as the log of his to me. As he pm'd me after i was pushing for a macpo or jackal as lynch choices its fairly obvious what my stance is, ie asking me "Hey so what do you think is our best course of action right now?" is the most useless thing you can ask me. It was clearly stated in thread already.
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On January 21 2012 04:02 p4NDemik wrote:
OK people here is where we make a stand. We have caught both of our elected roles acting very fishy today. BM is a clear lynch and you have all already moved forward on this point as shown by your votes.
BC's recent actions are now clearly contradictory and we need to do everything we can to garnish more information about his intentions ASAP. I am going to reemphasize that my case against supersoft is no less credible than that against kingjames. What now makes my case more valuable is the information is gives us on BC which is going to be absolutely vital moving forward into the next few days of this game.
I want to urge everyone to ##vote Bill Murray and v##vote supersoft this is an opportunity that can't be passed up. BM has practically dug his own grave and now BC finds himself in a major pickle.
How am I contradictary? Your case on SS is weak. I am calling glurio out yet I have not said "lets all off this player". If you notice I said the lynch on supersoft was not viable at this point based on the information provided. I have not said lynch glurio. How am I at all being contradictory?
As for your case against supersoft being as good as kingjames, I would strongly disagree. You did your initial analysis off 1 post while ignoring the rest. How is that stronger than a case against kingjames who has been analyzed by 3 players, and in one analysis he was shown to be misrepresenting himself on what he claimed to be doing, and was out and out doing dickall to help the town?
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On January 21 2012 04:25 kingjames01 wrote:Show nested quote +On January 21 2012 04:20 Protactinium wrote:
The fact that there is no opposition to the BM lynch, but that strangely nobody wants to vote for kingjames suggests to me that kingjames indeed is mafia, and that BM could be innocent (although if he truly is a hatter I don't trust his bomb placement lol).
Considering voting sandroba instead, gotta read thread though. There you are. Consider if you will the following: Why is BloodyC0bbler trying so hard to avoid taking a stand on p4NDemik? In fact, at the moment, they are attempting to distance themselves from each other. It is one thing to invalidate someone's analysis, it is another ENTIRELY to refuse to analyse.
You do realize you are guilty of what you are attempting to accuse me of? You also realize I destroyed your analysis of p4n. As such I obviously disagree with your case on him. As for distancing? My posts clearly indicated I defended him from you, thus thats association. Stop cherry picking posts.
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On January 21 2012 04:29 p4NDemik wrote:Show nested quote +On January 21 2012 04:10 BloodyC0bbler wrote:On January 21 2012 04:02 p4NDemik wrote:
OK people here is where we make a stand. We have caught both of our elected roles acting very fishy today. BM is a clear lynch and you have all already moved forward on this point as shown by your votes.
BC's recent actions are now clearly contradictory and we need to do everything we can to garnish more information about his intentions ASAP. I am going to reemphasize that my case against supersoft is no less credible than that against kingjames. What now makes my case more valuable is the information is gives us on BC which is going to be absolutely vital moving forward into the next few days of this game.
I want to urge everyone to ##vote Bill Murray and v##vote supersoft this is an opportunity that can't be passed up. BM has practically dug his own grave and now BC finds himself in a major pickle. How am I contradictary? Your case on SS is weak. I am calling glurio out yet I have not said "lets all off this player". If you notice I said the lynch on supersoft was not viable at this point based on the information provided. I have not said lynch glurio. How am I at all being contradictory? As for your case against supersoft being as good as kingjames, I would strongly disagree. You did your initial analysis off 1 post while ignoring the rest. How is that stronger than a case against kingjames who has been analyzed by 3 players, and in one analysis he was shown to be misrepresenting himself on what he claimed to be doing, and was out and out doing dickall to help the town? You have not made overt statements that blatantly contradict themselves but you are dealing with two players in incredibly similar situations. Both of these people claim to be masons. Both of them have questionable plays as masons. supersoft's grand contribution as a "town mason" is discussing the lynch of a townie (Palmar) with WBG and supposedly attempting to mason L to no avail. glurio comes out now after having not even used his day 1 mason (which was actually a better use than what supersoft did after all) and then he tried to mason you but you wouldn't respond (this isn't even his fault, and it is actually confirmable unlike supersoft's story). Both have not been actively playing with the town's interests in mind in the end though. Yet, you choose to disregard my case but jump on glurio out of the blue when there are plausible explanations for his behavior. I analyzed one post I thought was his strongest tell. While I will agree this along isn't as compelling as a contrived multi-quote analysis, I did read through his filter and saw nothing to lead me away from my suspicions and next to nothing that looked like pro-town behavior. I fail to see how the number of players doing analysis weakens my personal work. I have not been campaigning like you, before today my thread presence wasn't something incredible. So I don't necessarily inspire mass support immediately. But I don't think that should be used against me. Again, I don't deny that Kingjames is suspicious at all, but honestly have you seen supersoft's defense posts? Have you seen them? They are a wet tissue. Not even good enough to withstand a sneeze. His reaction to scrutiny has been the polar opposite of Kingjames but just as damning in my opinion. If you acknowledge the similarity between supersoft and glurio you CANNOT deny that a lynch of supersoft says a lot about your alignment. And this is something we as town need to be very sure of going forward. This is what makes this lynch better than kingjames and something that can't be ignored any longer.
Lynching kingjames gives a fuckton of information on my alignment as well. If he flips town im basically up shits creek without a paddle. Why would you go to lynch someone to gain information on me that is nowhere nearly as informative as lynching someone I have invested near most of the day into? I said supersofts lynch wasnt viable today, the case on him isn't extensive enough. I also provided you with a post of his that screams out town to me.
I have a complete red read on someone else, whos lynch would give far more information on me than any other candidate at this point, yet you want to lynch someone else for information on me? the fuck dude, seriously.
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On January 21 2012 04:39 vaderseven wrote:
BC, tell me how any info about you that a blue or green flip of KJ might reveal wouldnt be wifom?
would be two townies I lynched + wasn't on a mafia vote wagon. Ignoring other cases while only pushing my own, etc...
I'd be in a hotseat and have alot of explaining to do to avoid getting lynched. Lynching other players to gain information on me when I have said the case on isn't strong. I have read SS's filter and saw nothing glaringly "this guy is red"
Me not seeing someone is red isnt a huge tell. Me heavily pushing someone to their death and trying to actively get my targets lynched purely is far more damning.
-_-
Does no one here actually think?
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On January 21 2012 04:41 Protactinium wrote:Show nested quote +On January 21 2012 04:35 p4NDemik wrote:
Proact I trust your judgment based upon your actions so far this game, why is supersoft a non-sensical lynch? I have already kept an open mind and told myself I would switch (most likely to kingjames if someone could really convince me I am in error) but I have seen some of the most respected TL mafia players step to the plate in you and BC and do nothing to dissuade me. Please tell me where I have gone wrong and why this vote wouldn't be extremely beneficial to town. No time to think about it, but supersoft is CURRENTLY nonsensical. Lets lynch sandroba first. I'll look over it later when I have time although I do recall supersoft being quite useless this game. The thing is, there's no reason to deviate from my list right now. We'll take care of the rest later. Lets just consolidate our votes. This day seems to have produced some interesting information. But right now is the time to lynch, not the time to insist on getting information. I'll sort through all this later if I'm not dead by that time.
I am taking your judgement on this. The only reason I am ok with lynching sandroba is because of a comparison of this game and two others he has been in.
First off everyone look at sandros filter from this game.
http://www.teamliquid.net/forum/viewmessage.php?topic_id=253716&user=21688
Now compare it to a game he was town which was Mafia XLVII
http://www.teamliquid.net/forum/viewmessage.php?topic_id=285690&user=21688
and a game he was mafia which is pick your power interesting
http://www.teamliquid.net/forum/viewmessage.php?topic_id=269956&user=21688
The level he has contributed this game is near non existent and aside from being slightly active day 1 he has fucked the dog completely. Much like he did in pick your power interesting. As such I am opting to lynch him over BM.
This is because the general read on BM is hard as hell. BM is always hard to read and could very well be a hatter. With that in mind, I don't want to lose protrac and will opt to off sandroba instead as to keep one of the core analyzer alive longer.
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On January 21 2012 05:21 hiro protagonist wrote:Hey BC, Protac, remember when I made this great post detailing why Sandro was scum? BC called me an idiot for wanting to lynch sand, and protac thought my case was weak at best? I could not get any traction for my case without you guys, and now BC paraphrases my exact points in regard to sandroba, and protac comes in like it was his idea.  just... you know ... Its just a bit ironic.
his day 1 play had me convinced he was town. I had to read his filter from this game and compare it to a known scum him and a known town -_- His scum habit seems to be "solidify a townie read" day 1 then do near nothing to avoid being offed.
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On January 21 2012 05:28 Toadesstern wrote:Show nested quote +On January 21 2012 05:24 BloodyC0bbler wrote:On January 21 2012 05:21 hiro protagonist wrote:Hey BC, Protac, remember when I made this great post detailing why Sandro was scum? BC called me an idiot for wanting to lynch sand, and protac thought my case was weak at best? I could not get any traction for my case without you guys, and now BC paraphrases my exact points in regard to sandroba, and protac comes in like it was his idea. just... you know ... Its just a bit ironic. his day 1 play had me convinced he was town. I had to read his filter from this game and compare it to a known scum him and a known town -_- His scum habit seems to be "solidify a townie read" day 1 then do near nothing to avoid being offed. quick question: Why did sandroba vote you d1 to be mayor?
He "voted" for me d1. His vote never actually counted. However to appear townie at least me, he would have to have. He was never confrontational in PMs and the only other candidate he openly like was protract but he didnt like that he was going to lynch me as his d1 choice (this later changed by sandro was inactive the rest of that voting period).
Based on the fact he liked my campaign more than protracts based on lynch choice would be why I believe he "voted" for me.
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On January 21 2012 05:30 Meapak_Ziphh wrote:
I'm going with KJ as my second vote. BC has really put himself out there on this one and he's done so in what I feel is a protown manner. Like his whole mason discussion, he's not shying away from the spotlight and he correctly pointed out he's going to be under intense scrutiny if KJ flips town.
Besides these somewhat ethereal reasons, BC's case on KJ is good and KJ's defense of himself and his choice of lynch target I feel are scummy. At the time KJ went after p4ndemik I felt like it was a scum motivated move because p4n hadn't done much and would not be a controversial lynch target. P4ndemik started posting more and while I haven't noticed supersoft as an obviscum, p4n's case was made in a town fashion which makes KJ's choice of him as someone who's "scummy" even worse.
Also BC, did you find my posts defending protact/sandroba or do you want me to c/p them for you?
A word on BM, like I said earlier, I don't think he's a good lynch for today. L's accusations felt too genuine. I also don't want to run the risk of losing protact if BM really is telling the truth about being a hatter.
I found them. I find they are slightly misrepresented in the way you talk about them as they were not a huge push you made, however you did have them so my major issue with you is at the moment cleared up.
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On January 21 2012 05:32 Jackal58 wrote:Show nested quote +On January 21 2012 04:53 Foolishness wrote:On January 21 2012 04:50 p4NDemik wrote:
God why do I feel there is a gigantic disconnect in logic between me and the supposedly brilliant players that have gotten us to this point in the game. The fact they keep going to their inner circle of veterans to bolster themselves and not ever speaking to my actual points is killing me. If this means what I think it means it could be incredible but I need town to go with my logic please guys! I feel like I'm putting good logic out and being met with strict rhetoric at every end. Look at the one post I quoted and explain to me why a mafia would make that post; what motivation he would have for doing such a thing. There's disconnect between us as well. I don't think sandroba is a good lynch but BC and Protact like it so I'm going with it. I think Blahz0r is obvious mafia but I'm the only person in the game. We don't agree on everything either but our direction is the same, and that's what is important for a large game like this. How are you guys all talking to each other? And what direction are you heading in?
I'm a mason? The advantages are I can talk to different people every day -_-
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On January 21 2012 06:50 p4NDemik wrote:
None so far proven but I feel I have one under the spotlight and I'm with you on BM.
Why are you and BC so self-unassured and relying on Proact? You guys are supposed to be super good veteran townies. Have more faith in yourself and have more faith in some of your fellow town. And most of all have faith in your read we all still think it is good.
BM is BM. All reads on him although could possibly be accurate could be summed up with its BM. The risk of losing protract earlier because BM decided to troll us all is an actual possibility. We still have other leads which is why we opted to move to those. This isn't unreasonable to want to keep a strong analyzer alive longer. As for whoever said if he is a hatter and has a bomb on protract isn't that more a reason to lynch him? are you a friggen moron -_-
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On January 21 2012 06:53 Meapak_Ziphh wrote:
All of this boils down to the fact that we should be lynching GGQ :D
In all seriousness, I really would appreciate the reasoning behind sandroba. I can understand not wanting protact to die (I share the sentiment) but sandroba feels like a really poor choice and almost an attempt to cash into the anti-sandroba sentiment from yesterday. All we're (and by me I mean the people who have been posting in the last five pages) asking for is a reason that isn't a rehash of yesterday's argument which you guys poopoo'd. I think a lot of us (at least Toad does and like I already said I've started to as well) harbor at least some suspicions of sandroba however the manner in which you're presenting your case is running up some red flags (and certainly my suspicions are not lynch worthy yet, hence why I'd like to hear your case).
Also BC, I'd love if you could mason me next cycle (I assume you've already used it this cycle).
Look at the filter of him as mafia and him as town then compare to this game. You can say "oh well that game had pms so his filter will be smaller" but just look at the type of contributions. He is most active day 1 then kinda vanishes completely from thread never leaving a real mark. He has done the same this game. He isn't really pushing candidates for lynches, calling people out for posting badly, etc.... like he did in GM's aborted game. The style of play is quite different. All three of us I think had a town view of roba day 1, he played very pro town. Since then he has done sweet F all. Not doing much 1 day is something you can almost go "everyone has a bad day" but two in a row is pushing it, factor in his few posts today and day 2 were more or less crap leads this to be a far better lynch choice.
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As a note, I am heading to work and will be back most likely after the lynch.
Everyone who is reading this thread determining choices on who to lynch read the posts myself/foolishness/protrac have made then compare them to the ones on the other side.
Everyone should be voting KingJames. After that there are many cases you could be on, I strongly advice sandroba, and both of foolishness and protract have posted similar views. Please vote properly.
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Foolishness amend the list please. I strongly believe atm WBG has a high chance of flipping red.
I would place glurio higher on your list. I also believe that based on play, opz is far more likely to be red.
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EPT
