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On January 16 2012 01:52 Toadesstern wrote: btw I'm not convinced risk.nuke is mafia at all :p I'd gladly lynch scumdroba or bum. I think sandroba is more scummy however I am a little afraid that we might end up lynching a townie because BC might be a mafia too. If BC's a mafia I don' think sandroba is mafia. Conclusion: I want to lynch sandroba. I'd rather not risk lynching BC so early and lynching sandroba is way better information for us while giving pretty decent chance to hit a red mine As I said, me neither. I think he's bad town and I don't want to push a lynch here. Sandroba is interesting. He actively pushed BCs mason discussion. Proposed the mass claim. Then comes this post: On January 14 2012 15:49 sandroba wrote: Nah you don't interest me. Plus I wish I could. Maybe I can. Who the fuck knows. Here, his behaviour contradicts with his mass claim demand. Weird. What also worries me is that we didn't see a single PM of the masoning between Sandro and BC. It was announced somewhere small in a wall of text, many people (including me) didn't even find. Sandro doesn't mention that he was masoned at all. Why wouldn't you post the PMs? This question is not meant in a "what's going on?" way and not in accusing way. Well, maybe a little accusing. Also, note this post here: + Show Spoiler + On January 15 2012 04:57 BloodyC0bbler wrote: unlikely sandro. In a game with meapak, myself, BM, incog, and L would make far better "horses" than sandro We are all higher profile players and at least of the 5, 3 of us have decent scum games. Sandro has less experience in both town and mafia compared to the rest of us. seemed a little off as well, BC instantly jumping in to defend Sandro. If I am wrong here, please correct me, as I might have missed something. | ||
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[QUOTE]On January 15 2012 20:36 Jayjay54 wrote: 7) L: Still haven’t forgotten the fact the he asked our vig who to shoot and I don’t want anyone to forget about it. He did provide one post on that topic: [QUOTE]On January 15 2012 06:13 L wrote: [QUOTE]On January 15 2012 05:24 Toadesstern wrote: [QUOTE]On January 15 2012 05:16 L wrote: [QUOTE]On January 15 2012 05:14 Toadesstern wrote: so VE you thought you're a dayvig and in reality you're not? Wtf is going on with this town people. Mass claims, mass fails, blues being modkilled, blue outing they vig-power and bc managed to get town discussing a whole day about pussy-masons. The only thing that could go worse would be Palmar stepping into this thread, threatening X to do Y or else he will dayvig him and X ends up dayvigging Z. Srsly guys wtf is wrong with you tonight  [/QUOTE]Hi there! If you'd like to post in the thread, feel free to add content rather than remarking that things are bad. Watch what I do, okay? VE, Are you going to shoot CC tonight? See? Content! [/QUOTE] awesome. Let the guy who just claimed vig now claim who he is about to shoot so that mafia does not even have to wifom about if he's going to shoot or not but only has to wifom about VE really is "smart" enough to pull a drazerk on us or not. I mean you just asked a vig (if that's right) who he is about to shoot. I'll repeat it: You are asking a vig who he is about to shoot wtf is going on.[/QUOTE] Someone just made a claim to the strongest town role in the thread. He has multiple avenues to confirm his role if he's not lying. No shit I'm going to ask him if he's going to shoot THE PERSON HE ALREADY TRIED TO SHOOT. [/QUOTE] That is one weak explanation. This action is nowhere near town. Seriously. Why would you? If you want to confirm a role, the shot has to be posted right at the deadline or even a few minutes afterwards. This was either puuuuure stupidity. Or actually a scumslip. Also if you want to look [url=http://www.teamliquid.net/forum/viewmessage.php?topic_id=253716¤tpage=66]http://www.teamliquid.net/forum/viewmessage.php?topic_id=253716¤tpage=66[/url] You can see a small bandwagon of possible L voters in three posts. Really Opz, Jitsu and Supersoft are indeed not on my green townie town list right now. Might be coincidence and I probably would have ignored it, if the persons joining the L train would be different. [/QUOTE]If you had bothered to think about the situation, the 'why would you' portion might become a bit clearer. But its pretty clear that you haven't and that you're tunnelling off a suspicion you've been nursing. Your last line is pretty hilarious, because you pretty much say it overtly. But have no fear, I'll explain the rest once day rolls around if I'm still alive. If I'm dead, by contrast, please get to the bottom of the VE saga. Tea and crumpets will be had. Cheerio.[/QUOTE I am not a hugh fan of the "please think about it and you'll see why" solution. Please enlighten me. It looks stupid to me and to others as well. In what way am I tunneling you? I even state that it might be a stupid mistake. If you have a reasonable explanation, even better. | ||
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[QUOTE]On January 16 2012 02:19 Macpo wrote: Ok, I feel I have now to address some critiques which got louder and louder to the point that I am close to being lynched. As far as my friendly tone is concerned, please first have a look at my previous posts in the mafia section, and you will see that I am not "faking" this for the purposes of the game (unless I had foreseen before actually starting the game that it would help being mafia later). [url=http://www.teamliquid.net/forum/viewmessage.php?topic_id=133814¤tpage=27]http://www.teamliquid.net/forum/viewmessage.php?topic_id=133814¤tpage=27[/url] or, in the beginning of this thread, before day 1. [url=http://www.teamliquid.net/forum/viewmessage.php?topic_id=253716¤tpage=16]http://www.teamliquid.net/forum/viewmessage.php?topic_id=253716¤tpage=16[/url] For further psychological profiling, if you really want to go that far, have a look at the zerg help me thread in sc2 strategy section. Do you guys remember that it is completely normal to be modest and friendly when you arrive somewhere? Think about it: you get on a forum you don't know anything about, how can you even think about doing this weird shit you all do, like random accusations every 2 seconds? I didn't suspect not doing this would bring me into huge trouble, and that insulting and accusing everyone was the way to go. So I feel it's kind of unfair to make me reproaches in this regard. About lists: what's wrong with lists, BM did a list… nobody complains… I still don't get the point. The truth is, I really don't know how to identify who is mafia. I have read many guides on TL, or even on mafia wiki, but hey! it's a lot of (often contradictory) information. Even the vocabulary is a pain in the ass, as I have to go on mafiawiki every two posts to understand what you are talking about. If you read that many mafia guides, you probably know, that you never should stress being a newbie and apologizing. As a town player, you want to have people on your side. It is important that people have faith in you and therefore you have to convey faith in yourself, which you don't. That is why, people accusing you. Not because you are friendly, but because you constantly make yourself done. The difference between your list and BMs list, is that BMs showed what he actually thinks (or what he wants us to believe what he thinks) while your list just gathered information. Again, if you read the guides, a normal scum thing. Because you seem to provide information when you actually don't. So if I'd play just by those guides, you are acting like the total scum. Seriously, go ahead and check the guide in this subforum out. You'll find yourself there. Now I feel my only chance is to be as transparent as possible. So here I am: my strategy was two sided. 1.I should be honest and rational (the simpler, the better), as the first thing you read in guides is that mafia was always trying to flood/spam/lack of argumentation. So I kind of spoke my mind, and especially shared my uncertainties (only liars want to appear to be certain). I tried to do some constructive stuff, at my skill level, like going through the filter and gather information on who is posting and who is not; instead of saying "=> YOU are guilty", without any kind of evidence as so many did, with the brilliant results we know. I am still not sure why I should give up this attitude, as I feel it's more constructive than lots of other stuff. Some people say I didn't want to take responsibility, but that's precisely being responsible: not to attack without any kind of reason. Not to mention the fact that I was one of the first to vote, for Bill Murray (who so nicely now wants to kill me). 2. Also, I definitely tried to make friends so that we can back up each other in case we were under attack (like Mr Wiggles and Echelon toe); I take that from my experience of previous games where it is essential (for those knowing Junta). Maybe it's a bit clumsy, it obviously didn't work, but hey! can you even call a piece of argument against me? But now, because of all this, I feel badly trapped! So I beg you kindly: don't lynch me! If there is any other evidence or question I can answer to, in order to prove my innocence, just let me know. But please (and I don't want to be excessive, but I am afraid it's gonna end up like that) don't make a stalinian trial like you seem to do all the time: "YOU ARE guilty Macpo - No no I am not? I didn't do anything, I wasn't even there! - WHY do you even defend yourself, if you are not guilty??? YOU ARE guilty! I kind of answered it above As a sidenote, let me give my case against jayjay, because I don't give up on scumhunting! 1. as I said yesterday, he constantly spammed all around to say empty things. A lot. changing his mind very often, and so on. I change my mind very often? Can you give examples? Of course I don't see people as I did see them friday. It is normal that you have different reads on people after 30 more pages of thread, isn't it? 2. he asked for mass mason claim, he could be looking for blue roles. The most funny part is him attacking Sandroba a couple of posts later for doing the same thing. What is right here, is that I supported the mass claim. What is wrong here, is that you say I attack Sandroba because of it. If you read my post properly, I say it's strange that Sandroby first demanded the mass claim and then makes a posts how he might be a mason. This is contradictory. 3. last but not least, he took part in the lynch of Palmar. [QUOTE]On January 14 2012 02:30 Jayjay54 wrote: " 3) Palmar. To quote Entourage: “E doesn’t talk”. He made some one liners, but compared to TL-Mafia 48 (I believe…) it’s just nothing. One can see why you wouldn’t go for the mayor after this trouble. Still, this is very little which could well mean that he is blue and not try to get spotlighted or just what some guys have been posting, that he’s mafia and doesn’t really care at all. Needs more posts to be computed." That was my very first post in this game. It is on page 31. How does this have anything to do with the lynch? Palmar stepped up and started to talk. I didn't even vote BC. Hell, I didn't even know that anyone actually wanted to lynch Palmar. Moreover "Still, this is very little which could well mean that he is blue and not try to get spotlighted or just what some guys have been posting, that he’s mafia and doesn’t really care at all. Needs more posts to be computed." is not really a push for a lynch. Come on. 4. true he voted for mattchew before he got modkilled, but this could just be the opportunity of his scumlife. Yeah, pushing hard for a town mayor, gambling that he might be modkilled, so I can shine in innocence? That's thinking out of the scum box [/QUOTE] | ||
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On January 16 2012 02:33 L wrote: I know you might not be a huge fan of having to think, but you'll have to make due with that until day rolls around, mon ami. Why would you you need that information during the night cycle anyways, hmm? I could play dumb and pretend there's no possible reason a townie would want that kind of information and then extrapolate into calling you scum. Who would that remind you of? Man, don't attack me on a personal level. Keep it on game level. I thought about it and it makes no sense, you don't want to provide information, alright. But then don't complain, if this seems odd. And the last paragraph: Yeah I agree, we should only do scumhunting in the day cycle. That way we have way more time...wait what? | ||
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On January 16 2012 03:41 L wrote: Man, Enter the clueless/hurt card at this point. You've put zero analysis other than "I CANT FIGURE IT OUT" into your claim, and you've been tunneled on the issue for around 30% of your posting history. I dont' even have an argument to refute other than your claim that "you don't like the post". Dude, sick scumhunting. Especially the part wherein you attempt to pressure me into giving information about someone who claimed jack during the game phase wherein he might die. I think I'm done even bothering to reply to this thread-clutter until you make an argument or day rolls around. Ciao until morning! I'm neither clueless nor hurt, but I think insulting players for game purposes is bullshit and thus I called it. If you ask a vig who is going to shoot and he answers truthfully, you prevented a nightshot. So there is no real perspective townwise. It was a bad town play. That is my arguement and you don't really bother to try to explain that move with anything else than "if you would be smart enough, you'd know what I did that for". bravo. I didn't pressure you. I just ask for an explanation. You may feel pressured. But in fact, I just tried to sort out why you played like you did. And I didn't ask about VE. I asked about you. Finally, I didn't refer to my scumhunting, but scumhunting in general. If we are accused to be a scum, just because we ask for information at night, it's going to prevent any scumhunting. | ||
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On January 16 2012 04:03 BrownBear wrote: It's just Mafia, man. It's a pretty emotional game, small insults get thrown around all the time. You learn to ignore it pretty quickly. hmm. I guess you're right. Whatever. But since, you are around and you pretty much lurked all game with a couple of non specific one liners: How do you feel about our elections? And what did you think of that Palmar lynch? | ||
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First of all, GG to all the dead. May they rest in peace! WP everyone. I try to focus on the NKs, we may get information why they were shot. I’ll compare them by listing People they opposed and things they supported, mostly with quotes. May contain traces of WIFOM. I want to start with the not so sure shot people. You'll see why. Lanaia On January 16 2012 14:10 Bill Murray wrote: I am pretty sure I saved Lanaia from being killed last night People she opposed: Well, pretty much none (talking about before the day 2 start, she gave a pretty neutral list today). A little post against palmar, a little post about L, but quickly withdraw. Things she supported: Well, uhm. Yeah. Vote was on BC Sooo Lanaia? What? Why? She was a total Null read to nearly everybody. Some people even called her scum. Includiiing: On January 15 2012 21:52 Bill Murray wrote: Lynch, Lynch, Lynch!: Lanaia Mafia a) Why the fuck would BM jail Lanaia? Because he thought she has a role? Lanaia was even confused herself. On January 16 2012 14:16 Lanaia wrote: Bill, if that were the case, would I have been notified of being killed? But yeah, I can confirm he did target me. However, I have no idea why. May I ask why? This makes 0 sense to me. Care to explain BM? b) How does BM know that he saved her? Does he get notified? And why would he want that if he thinks shes scum? And why on earth would the mafia use a pretty NK to kill a pretty neutral person who even was a lynch candidate to some? Please enlighten us BM. => Don’t know what to make out of it. But I don’t believe whatsoever that the mafia used a NK on her. Which is why: On January 16 2012 12:30 kitaman27 wrote: I was shot last night. Ty <3 seems real to me. Correct me if I’m wrong, but he is the only other guy who claimed to be shot. So mafia either used the NK on him or Lanaia. For reasons I stated, I believe kita 95%. So I keep going analyze his posts a bit. Kitaman27: Opposed People: At first, a little poking on BC. Nothing serious. Finally this post a pretty good summary of what he thinks: Hydra because of lack of focus. BC because of his discussion. VE because of jack claim. Foolishness for swapping. Smaller accusations: p4ndemik, Lanaia, sheth, WBG + Show Spoiler + On January 16 2012 05:30 kitaman27 wrote: I question Protactinium's lack of focus on a single target. He lists three different lynches as his election platform. If he is so convinced on BC, why save him for later? If it is due to the lack of public support, what happened to Ciryandor? He drop his case and never bring him up again. As for his actual case against BC, I do like his mindframe of going through past games to find BC's stance on pms. I agree with the lack of content the mason discussion actually produced and question how his claim actually benefits town. His entire argument could have been made without a role claim. I asked BC to provide his role PM's during the first day, but he ignored my request. I'm not sold that his mason claim was pushing a scum agenda however. In regards to the VE jack claim, I'm uncomfortable that he followed through with pressuring the town to elect him based on the claim. He just called BC scummy for the same reason moments earlier. The goal of your role is not to prove you are jack. That means very little to us. Your objective is to do what most benefits town. I strongly disagree with a mason. I'm not even sure why you would consider that over a shot, vet or a medic protect from a town perspective. Foolishness, your election vote confuses me. You open up the game explaining how you would be supporting BM, explaining how he has something to prove and would be easy to read. Initially, I was opposed to this thinking he would only serve as a distraction to the thread and the game would revolve around his mayorship. After BM started posting reasonable, rather than following up with your support for him, you swap to BC instead. Not only do you not comment on Prot's case against BC, you don't explain why you dropped your support of BM. BM, you indicate that you have a strong town read on him due to the trolling, but I ask that you at least consider the alternative, considering he has trolled in scum games as well. p4NDemik's motives seem questionable. I'm curious why he made your town list BM. His entire focus on day one is selecting a mayoral candidate and doesn't mention who he is suspicious of or would like to get lynched. Lanaia is asking a bunch of questions about things that aren't all that relevant to the game. If she were town, I would think there are some more important things to be wondering about. I still dislike Sheth's defense of Palmar. I feel as if he was playing up Palmar's contributions with knowledge that he is town. I'm interested in hearing others opinions on that series of posts. bugs concerns me because he was so focused on Palmar, that he didn't seem very interested on commenting on anything else. From seeing his play in couples and responsibility, he has no reservations about pushing lynches with 100% confidence, having them flip town, and then moving onto his next target. This is quite the leap in logic. Scum prefer BM over BC (?) Therefore BC is town (??) Hence, Kita is scum (???) Even after making no posts during the first 48 hours BrownBear still hasn't commented on anything. Surely you have some opinions, even if you aren't able to vote for a candidate? hiro, I'd like you hear your thoughts tonight. erandorr hasn't done anything to make me think he was town, so you should try to change my mind. I could go on about others, but I don't really have the time and I'm not sure how helpful it would even be. I'm much more confident on my town list than my suspects, but posting it doesn't seem very beneficial at this time. I'll try to narrow down the scum targets and make more of a real case against someone during the day cycle. Things he supported: Vote on Bm He disapproved a lot on the mason claim plan. + Show Spoiler + On January 14 2012 05:58 kitaman27 wrote: 1) I guess we have to disagree then. Even if mafia target weak players, those weak players still have logs of the agenda the mason is pushing on them. It is incredibly useful to have someone to bounce ideas off of in private, even if you don't know their alignment. In addition, it generates additional information that isn't available in the thread. 2) We don't know the role distribution. It is just as likely that there are 4 town masons and 0 scum masons as it is that there are 2 town masons and 2 scum masons. For people saying there isn't a downside to a mass mason claim, of course there is. Mafia now has the identities of additional blue roles. Why am I the only one making any sense at the moment? Let’s go on with confirmed kills. GiygaS: GiygaS the Townie has been killed. People he opposed (the only one shot with real cases imo): WBG http://www.teamliquid.net/forum/postmessage.php?quote=1504&topic_id=253716 Case on VE. Flavours of WBG again. http://www.teamliquid.net/forum/viewmessage.php?topic_id=253716¤tpage=81#1612 Things he supported: Vote on BM. Shutting down mason discussion. Mason claim On January 14 2012 06:01 GiygaS wrote: I'm for a mason claim. While mafia would know their identities, it provides transparency for the town as well, and if a mason is under suspicion and he's not dying from mafia, it's more evidence against possible scum. Here's Kurumi: Kurumi the Vigilante has been killed. People he opposed: (very early game) list: + Show Spoiler + On January 14 2012 01:59 Kurumi wrote: 1. kingjames01 2. Refallen 3. supersoft 4. Slardar 5. risk.nuke 6. kitaman27 - Maybe vet but not sure. Plays quite good both alingments 7. Cyber_Cheese 8. Jayjay54 9. Kenpachi - lurks a lot, sucks a lot, shoots scum a lot. (vet?) 10. Munk-E 11. EchelonTee 12. Adam4167 13. Mattchew 14. Liquid`Sheth 15. L Shit son. 16. Meapak_Ziphh Same thing as Foolishness. 17. ~OpZ~ 18. wherebugsgo 19. BrownBear Damn.. was he good scum? Can't even remember. 20. Ciryandor 21. Bill Murray known for distruptive and puzzling behaviour 22. rgTheSchworz 23. Foolishness Can't think of anything because he always played minor role when he played with me ._. 24. Toadesstern 25. Jackal58 Known for short posting style and likes to tunnel a bit. Good. 26. d3_crescentia 27. BloodyC0bbler Fear him. 28. Lanaia 29. Kurumi 30. blahz0r 31. VisceraEyes - people say he improved a lot, idk personally 32. GGQ rarely plays but mostly does well as town 33. sandroba Maybe not the amazing-amazing, but he's very good as town. 34. Jitsu 35. zeks 36. Mr. Wiggles 37. igabod 38. Palmar - very good overall, active and likes to bite 39. Erandorr 40. p4NDemik 41. GiygaS 42. evantrees 43. Chaosquo 44. Protactinium (Mystlord/Incognito) Incognito tends to die quite quickly, he was one of the reasons PYPI was won by the Town 45. Macpo 46. rtgICEMAN 47. Maxella 48. bumatlarge - he has his good moments, like being a Good Bad Santa. 49. Scamp 50. Nisani201 Thereotically new, but good (without colour) Amazing town capabilities Very good scum play Veteran any ideas to those might be good remember zodiac lists? I only remember the name of that strat lol Anyway, the thing is we should get lists like "Good ol' players" which prove to be quite useful when somehow there are two out of 6 left standing and they're beginning to look scummy. L listed in red. Cyrandor, he might even have killed him, as he’s err was a vig http://www.teamliquid.net/forum/viewmessage.php?topic_id=253716¤tpage=29#576 www.teamliquid.net/forum/viewpost.php?post_id=13140708 Kenpachi, I don’t actually know what to make of this post… http://www.teamliquid.net/forum/viewmessage.php?topic_id=253716¤tpage=64#1277 Iceman www.teamliquid.net/forum/viewpost.php?post_id=13150251 “three way scum”: Sandro BC protact. Looks like trolling to me. www.teamliquid.net/forum/viewmessage.php?topic_id=253716¤tpage=81#1613 Things he supported: Vote on Hydra Against mason claim. On January 14 2012 04:57 Kurumi wrote: fucking mason claim why is it so easy to claim it as mafia now i need to think also the the word for drama on scene? was good. be right back Bodyguards should not claim + Show Spoiler + On January 14 2012 01:35 Kurumi wrote: We should not make Bodyguards claim. Good to know that someone actually reads my posts Palmar, if You were given ability to kill someone right now, who would it be? Wiggles: Mr. Wiggles the Townie has been killed. Finally Wiggles. Not much to see here IMO. People he opposed: GGQ, BB. Dissatisfied with BC (would rather not have him in the office)/Foolishness/Protact. + Show Spoiler + On January 16 2012 06:19 Mr. Wiggles wrote: I still don't think WBG is scummy, as of this moment. I don't see how him pushing for Palmar would make him scummy. I was somewhat null on Palmar, as while he was acting similarly to how he does as scum, there was something a little off about it, but I wasn't sure if it was because he was being apathetic as town, or trying to change his scum play slightly. I don't like that BC didn't mention who he would actually pick for the lynch, before he picked them. He mentioned that he thought palmar was scummy in some of his posts, along with foolishness and incog, but he didn't actually tell us that that was who he was lynching until it was time for the lynch. So, we lost a lot of discussion about the lynch, which probably would have generated far more information than talking about masons. BC's choice is consistent with what he was saying in the thread, but the fact that he wasn't transparent about it bothers me. I had a town read on BM, much more so than either protact or BC, so I'm fine with him in office; hopefully he puts reputation as being a decent scumhunter to use and uses the position to influence the town. I would rather have not had BC in office, but after protact decided to switch his lynch target and not explain why, I didn't really want him in there as much as I did, either. I would look into GGQ or BB, but both of those are probably better suited for vigs to shoot. I'll decide who I want to lynch Day 2. I think depending on the discussion and cases put forward on day 2, it might be worth using the double lynch. Still, this is variable and dependent on what happens on day 2. Otherwise, we should probably wait another day to use them, or at least until we actually have more than two strong targets for the lynch. Remember that double lynches are enacted the day after we vote for them. Also, as a side note, I'm dissatisfied with all of BC/Foolishness/Protact right now. I've asked things of all of them (as have others), and for the most part have been ignored. That means they're either not reading the thread, or don't care about being transparent and appearing town-like. Things he supported: Vote on BM His circle plan. A lot. So he really was serious about that. But I don’t know how that will help us. http://www.teamliquid.net/forum/viewmessage.php?topic_id=253716¤tpage=82#1621 Finally let’s look at our scum buddy. Ciryandor: People he opposed: He mostly defended himself. Post like this made him look really scummy. http://www.teamliquid.net/forum/viewmessage.php?topic_id=253716¤tpage=55#1084 Hindsight I guess. He didn’t really call anyone out though. Things he supported: Well, his vote was on BM. But he supported Hydra a little too: On January 15 2012 12:11 Ciryandor wrote: Same thing here; I only read the blue post saying 9 minutes to deadline with 4 minutes to go, so I just chucked in a vote at Bill seeing that Proact is in the lead (as of the last votecount update I saw), and that I don't like BC to get sheriff because he and Proact are at odds with each other. As for the comment on lynching, Proact, even if he has changed targets, at least is not being wishy-washy by giving a list of choices, he is at least committing to a specific person to lynch. ______________________________________________________________________________________________ Conclusions (Assuming kita and not Lanaia was the 4th NK, which is reaaally likely, again no scum would kill her) Votes: 3 x BM, 1x Hydra. 0xBC Opposed people: VE 2, BC 2(1 + 2* 1/2), WBG 1.5 some more accused one time. Two people who were in favor of using masons actively. Another one was actively trying to prevent the mason discussion Interesting. The fourth one was against mason claim, one of the four however was in favor. Kind of shades a bad light on BC and sandro who were a) opposing the use all game long and b) actively firing the discussion. I don’t want to bring up Hydras case again, but considering that two out of four were for a usage of town masons makes me want to keep it in mind. I know that I am against BC basically since he claimed his role, but based solely on the NKs there are quite a lot indicators that point against him. Also against sandro but he was masoned, maybe he was talked into that stuff. But I def feel that a Sandro lynch will help us out a lot. Case has been made. He doesn’t provide anything. He masoned BC. Even if he flips town, we would learn a lot about BC imo. There is no better choice right now. Also, the VE case is really interesting to me as well. We should look into that as well. Alright, I tried to keep if objective. And there is a lot of information here. Use it well! Oh and def double lynch. Bring the heat! => ##vote sandro, ##vote doubly lynch Further look: VE, starting with GiygaS’ case. But someone else please, this here was a lot of work. | ||
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On January 17 2012 02:28 sandroba wrote: What in the fuck is that post jayjay? That whole wall post doesn't say shit and your conclusion is even more baffling to me. Nice try scum, but you need to make a bit more sense if you want to look good. Huge walls of nothing ain't gonna cut it. OMGUS much? if you want to ride, come on and ride. Make a case. I know that there's a lot of requoting in my post. But it is no empty space, because I summed up what all killed players were up to....and draw my conclusions. | ||
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On January 17 2012 02:32 Cyber_Cheese wrote: The interesting timing continues... Jayjay, What's your opinion on Chaosquo? and on GGQ? NK's usually have a lot of WIFOM, I hardly feel like that's something to base a whole argument on. And how did you manage to include math in that? To be honest, they make a lot of sense too. It took me 45 minutes to make that post. So the soft defend shit wasn't posted when I started to write. I'd be fine with those lynches! | ||
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On January 17 2012 02:37 Cyber_Cheese wrote: When did Sandro mason BC? why are you willing to lynch someone who could very well be a townie? Why are you trying to stop conversation with 'the best choice right now' when we have a chance to find someone better? They mason'd. You might have not read it because BC has stated it in a single sentence in a huge wall of text and sandro mentioned it one single time. And most people had the feeling that he was behind that palmar lynch, because of this post. On January 15 2012 06:05 sandroba wrote: Palmar you need to try harder, you are too easy to spot as scum nowadays. I'd rather not lynch any vets day1 but you make it so hard not to lynch you. Please go die in a corner. I'll vote BC since we came to a compromise in pms. Gotta roll. ##Vote: BloodyC0bbler Both pushed the mason discussion to pure death. BC said he doesn't want to use it. Then he uses it. The whole thing is fishy. Sandro is involved in this, if he wants or not. He either was talked into the mason discussion or he pushed it himself. I am really sure that one of them is scum. And I am leaning towards BC, but I don't think anyone would lynch the mayor right now. Also, keep in mind that during the time I wrote that post, the whole issue with GGQ and chaos wasn't up yet. I stated we don't have a better choice right NOW, because we didn't. Right NOW, I think we do. If one of those flips scum and sandro initiated this shit, I am truely sorry, he'll prob be town. | ||
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On January 17 2012 02:40 Cyber_Cheese wrote: Furthermore, exactly how much do you think lynching Sandroba will really tell us about BC's alignment? At this point, a lot. I'd bet my ass that if sandro is town, BC is scum | ||
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On January 17 2012 02:44 sandroba wrote: K this is utter bullshit. You lynch me, I flip town, what the fuck do you learn from BC? Why do you even care about BC at this point. Look at his day1. He looks town. See, I don't agree here. I am pretty sure that one of you two is scum. And that is kind of my point. Still, I agree that CCs and yours catch of GGQ and chaos is making my "we have no better choice now" point look bad. Again, this wasn't posted until then. I'll unvote and vote GGQ, if he flips town, we'll talk again. | ||
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On January 17 2012 03:03 ~OpZ~ wrote: Could Lanaia be mafia? You ever consider that? I have...Not just the long post today were neutral. Almost every post. But I'll be pointing that out later, I gotta do some things real quick. I have. But she's kind of a null read. To BM she was scum. Still, he arrests her. BM is town to me. So I really would like to know what was going on there. | ||
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On January 16 2012 14:11 L wrote: Jayjay, if you've got questions, now's the time. I'm going to take a sleep and write up my main suspects thusfar when I have a slow period at work. Hey man, sup? Good day at work? So, why did you ask for the vig shot again? | ||
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On January 17 2012 04:05 Cwave wrote: How so? I think his masonclaim plan was bad. But i don't see how Sandro flipping scum/town has any impact on the allignment of BC at this moment? a) they were both actively pushing a senseless mason discussion, wasting nearly one day, backed up by a stupid role claim without reason. BC suggest ignoring, sandro mass claim. b) BC is not actually saying who he is talking to and inspite of saying otherwise uses masoning a shitton. c) sandro is all about the mass claim, then makes a hint how he actually might be a mason himself. d) their masoning was announced in a strange way (one liner in a wall of text) which makes it even more strange. e) the logs were published very late. In itself not that bad of an issue. It adds up though. f) they both "compromised" on a weird palmar meta lynch, including last minute lynch candidate switch 5 minutes before deadline in order to collect 3 votes within the last 3 minutes (excluding sandro) All in all these 6 points are just to town-unfavoured to come out of two town heads. And I am sure I am not the only one who sees that. BC also has the bonus points of winning the vote for mayor. And there is no way that mafia had no good candidate. No way. So at least one of Hydra, BM and BC will be mafia! Otherwise the election would have been different.Think about it. I don't have any read on Hydra, but I am quite sure BM is town. So yeah,summed up, I am 99.6 % sure that either BC or sandro is scum. My post above my have skipped some logical points and I am really sorry about that. But the reasoning behind it, is still there. Even if you are town sandro, I want you to reaaaally consider, please, that BC is actually not town and talked you into stuff. I am town and maybe I've done you wrong. Maybe I didn't. Just read my filter and even hydras to get some odd posts of BC. I'll be back in like 3-4 hours. If you have some questions, post them, I'll answer. | ||
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On January 17 2012 04:11 hiro protagonist wrote: Ok, time to start this game Today's lynch will be scumdroba analysis coming shortly and I am not the only one, who thinks sandro might be scum. He also has a vote and (I believe) a case of Toad, who is also town IMO | ||
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On January 17 2012 06:53 Toadesstern wrote: ok back again: We not going to lynch a new guy who barely posted. Theses guys turn out to be unreadable early on and flip by true chance. I've got to admit that I'm not done reading yet but I don't think lynching GGQ is a good idea yet although I would hardly call it a bad idea. We simply got better people. Finding mafia is going to be easier the longer this game takes. You really want to lynch a new guy who HAS to screw up sometimes if he really is mafia? Just lynch the guy we're capable of reading RIGHT NOW: Sandroba so you still would pick sandro over GGQ and Chaos? Have you read that? Looked very much like scum... As I stated a billion times before, I think either Sandro or BC is scum. If both were town, the logs would be faked. I mean there was enough time, but this is soooo much effort for little gain. I might be wrong here. If one of them is town, I am leaning towards BC. But I am not sure... | ||
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On January 17 2012 07:02 Jayjay54 wrote: so you still would pick sandro over GGQ and Chaos? Have you read that? Looked very much like scum... As I stated a billion times before, I think either Sandro or BC is scum. If both were town, the logs would be faked. I mean there was enough time, but this is soooo much effort for little gain. I might be wrong here. If one of them is town, I am leaning towards BC. But I am not sure... whoops almost edited. close one. EBWOP: If one of them is SCUM, I am leaning towards BC. But I am not sure... => I think BC is 65% scum and sandro 35% | ||
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