To start with, lets bring up the 3 cases brought against you.
Mine
+ Show Spoiler +On January 16 2012 11:38 BloodyC0bbler wrote:Show nested quote +On January 16 2012 10:13 kingjames01 wrote:
Town: I propose to you, that at least one of BC/BM is mafia.
Why do I think this?
There was a lot of chaos during Day 1. It started out with some decent speculation and debate as to who should be elected and why. Although there were a large number of candidates, certain candidates were becoming clear leaders in the race.
After BC's mason plan and claim, the environment of the thread quickly spiralled out of control. From a focussed discussion of who to elect, we observed multiple mason claims, several nonsensical posts and a drop in the useful posts-to-noise ratio.
Either the level of Town play is low (which I don't believe, based on the experience of the player list involved) or the mafia arrived in earnest.
At the end of the day, there was a surge in votes cementing BC as Mayor over BM, who was elected as sheriff. It is WIFOM to discuss which role is more desirable for the current mafia family so I will stop here.
Instead of constantly looking for scumslips in every vote. Step back and think about the day's events.
What did the players ATTEMPT to do?
What did the players ACCOMPLISH?
For Day 2, we ABSOLUTELY need to get back on track. There's going to be a lot of discussion I'm sure due to the night actions but don't lose sight of what we learned in Day 1.
Finally, the degree to which we hold BC and BM accountable should increase!
BC claimed Mason.
BC proposed a mass Mason claim.
BC claimed to Mason sandroba.
BC and sandroba reached 'a compromise'.
BC used his Mayoral right to choose the Day 1 lynch and chose Palmar.
We can no longer check BC's role and/or alignment.
If BC's mass Mason claim was so pro-town, what did it actually accomplish? It wasn't very well thought out. Even if he is Town-aligned, it injected so much chaos into this game, that players are struggling to keep up. Weaker mafia can slip in a few posts here and there and we'll never even notice if they mess up.
BC: tell us what you think your plan accomplished? Why did you suggest a plan that inherently would cause the Town to go in circles?
Also, BM previously supported my idea to reveal the Bodyguards. Do you support this proposal? Will you give up their names after the night is over?
hi kingjamesIt is so glad to know the mafia are reallllllllly angry with me right now as it makes it really obvious when you guys leap out at me. I say this because people who should have been far more active during this game cycle and risked modkills are suddenly "spurred" into playing a game and instantly doing exactly what I would expect you to. Jump at me instantly. Why do you ask that I expect this? Because I did the most town move throughout the entirety of day 1. From what I remember day 1 about the elections was very much what you would see in a game with no real movement. Everyone was discussing the candidates but most of it came down to experience in the players to narrow down the running. Before my claim and even after my claim up until the last 4-6 hour mark I had been solidly in the lead via votes. The "swinging" of votes towards me to give me mayor over bm was not a surge. I gained 3 votes near end of deadline. In the last 4 hours bm lost 3-4 votes then gained like 6-7. Protact who had near no solid voter base till the last 4 hours went from a very low amount of votes to just missing an elected spot. Those two had voter surges, I did not. All the reasoning for those 3 people voting me near the end of the day were all posted within the thread as well. You are right that we cannot forget what we learned day 1 and into night 1. Mafia is pissed at the mason situation. Town is moderately so, however you can immediately tell a player like wiggles is town based on how he is aiming to fix the situation. Not only that he is attempting to turn it into a group of scumhunters that the mafia has to risk infiltrating to fuck with (thus potentially losing one or more of their own members) or give up the idea of infilitrating it and letting town have an exclusive spot to talk. Are their issues with wiggles plan? Yes, however it is clearly more pro town than players saying "lets trust people with near no experience with pms to use them properly" Forcing people who can do damage or make massive gains for the town accountable for their actions and able to be analyzed properly is far more pro town than letting people work around in the dark with no guidance or real "negative" to fucking up in pm's. By forcing people to operate in the public eye with a far more insidious role than most hinders mafia, benefits town, and also created a topic of discussion day 1 that is not rehashing old games. This is a polarizing discussion. Through it, regardless of what some people may try to convince you, a ton of information was placed upon a large majority of the active player base. Did some players skirt by without posting? Why yes they did, you are one of them who did dick all day 1. However, every game possess; players who will skirt by doing the bare minimum who will never join in on a discussion unless near forced to by mods, or by being actively called out / put up for lynch or vig shot. That is the nature of the game. However, the "active" players who comment badly on major topics but do near nothing else in the thread are typically scum being told to join in on a discussion. Is this always true? no, but it is a good starting ground. Everyone can look back at day 1 and realize that the mason discussion did in fact take up most of the day, however near everyone should also see how many people actively sharing opinions that gave a huge amount of information that we would otherwise not have had. You can argue that had I not done what I had that the same amount or more information would be garnered, but till my claim how much solid information had been produced on any player aside from "x is good, but if hes elected and mafia it could be bad, etc..." Day 1 mafia games need elections to kickstart discussion, however it is near down to a formula that catching reds is far harder unless one slips up hard. By forcing people to participate in a discussion that opinions will clearly show a mafia or town bias, the chances of slipping up are far higher. people can argue till the town comes home if I made the right move or not and that is fine however what is done is done and their is now a ton of information people can use as a starting ground to work with. Now onto current shite. BG names were encrypted and given out into seperate pieces. In the case both bgs are red and Myself / bm or myself on my own or bm on his own die, you will now have people able to give the bg names out to get them killed. If people are afraid that it was possible I was linked to two reds, if the bgs both die instantly you will have 4 people who will have known the information. either myself or bm as red, or both people I gave the encrypted info to. However in the case both bgs die, it is far more likely that the reds are the two people I gave information to than myself or bm. Why? Because if either of us is red, or if both of us are red, town bgs protect us and we would have no reason to off them fast. This is obviously wifom, but you get the idea. Veteran well known players need to shape up, now. Palmar was lynched because of his play. If you join a game this size and intend on trolling or contributing very little useful information chances are you are going to be pegged as scum and dealt with as such. Vets should know better than to create an atmosphere that mafia can hide in, palmar was doing just that. Kurumi is also guilty of this, regardless of if he does it frequently or not. All people that fw chose to not replace who are not modkilled, post. Kingjames is posting now and has yet to inform us as to where he was for 48 hours without posting, why he didnt vote, and why he is solely centered on continuing the mason debate while ignoring almost every other event that happened in the thread? I will quote a few posts of kingjames to give everyone an idea of why he would make an excellent lynch target for this coming day Show nested quote +On January 14 2012 00:53 kingjames01 wrote:On January 14 2012 00:38 kitaman27 wrote:
KJ's bodyguards should claim plan is incredibly poor. So is Jackal's. Even if the scum team did subsititute all three bodyguards, they still have to worry about a electoral official being a vet, which would cost them 3 scum or that one of the bodyguards wasn't jailed, which would also cost them 3 scum. First, there are only 2 Bodyguards. Second, I agree with you about Jackal's comment about lynching a Bodyguard. Third, you're actually agreeing with me in essence. I'm saying that if they sneak in a Bodyguard, it will be risky to take out the elected officials. However, to make it harder for them, they should be revealed from the beginning. What if both elected officials are killed and we have 0 clue as to who the Bodyguards were? Are you okay with that risk? Finally, are you stating for the record that if you were elected, you would not reveal your Bodyguards? See this post everyone? He is advocating the divulging of "blue roles" I put that in quotations as they could be red. He also makes a point on saying that hes fine with lynching a bodyguard to prevent mafia from taking the role.(note that jackal just wanted the threat there, not actually doing it unless there was reason to) Why would you do this? Outing their names in thread or saying you will lynch one only gets bgs offed and makes the mayor/sheriff more vulnerable. Thankfully I figured out an alternative and acted on it that didn't require giving mafia the ability to snipe the bgs at no cost or suspicion as we were nice enough to hand them out. Show nested quote +On January 14 2012 09:08 kingjames01 wrote:
Alright, I've been at work all day and it's taken me quite a while to catch up in the reading.
I'm going to reiterate, that I support the Bodyguards being made public. There was a point raised earlier which suggested that if this plan were carried through, the elected officials would be more vulnerable. I don't think that is the case. I have already stated my reasoning but here is the idea again.
If at least one of the Bodyguards is Town, then they player has to die before our Mayor and/or Sheriff are vulnerable.
If both Bodyguards die, everyone will be on guard and can then start to protect the elected officials.
If at most one dies, then the Mayor and/or Sheriff are still safe. Why? Because the mafia will have to trade at least one of their own to kill the Mayor and/or Sheriff.
Next, I think the Mass Mason Roleclaim is a terrible plan. The mafia know the roles of 10 players out of 50, namely, their own players. If all of the Masons claim, then they know the roles of more players in the game. If they can, they will target our powerful Blue roles, like Town Jack, Medic, Detective.
Why are you guys okay with helping them to narrow down their targets?
Contradiction in this post insanely. He is fine with outing the bgs that could be either mafia or town (and they protect the sheriff/mayor who could be town/town, mafia/town, or mafia and mafia) But is against another role that could be either alignment that could do an insane amount of damage to the town in mafia hands hidden away. His argument is mafia would know more players in the game and narrow their shots down, guess what, so does handing out the bgs. Note he also calls the mass mason roleclaim a terrible plan. Yet when he returns from his 48 hour absence all he can talk about is how he thinks either i or bm is mafia, and the terrible mason plan that he had already said his piece on. He doesn't analyze any player. He concentrates solely on me. Read his last post before he vanished for 48 hours Show nested quote +On January 14 2012 09:14 kingjames01 wrote:
Also, consider for the moment, that BC may be mafia Jack.
If he uses his Mason power on Day 1 to establish his credibility and then is subsequently elected to office, we will not be able to find the mafia Jack.
It is a risk, but I know that BC will take that risk. He is very much a medium-risk, high-reward player.
EVERYONE! WHAT HAPPENS IF BLOODYC0BBLER IS MAFIA JACK?
I consider this scenario involving BC to be within his bag of tricks, and I will not vote to elect him into office.
Given his extreme distrust of me here and his refusal to vote for me (didnt vote for anyone at all) you would think given the entire days worth of posting he would opt to push specifically at me when he returned, or analyzed me extensively. Instead he opted to suggest 1 of 2 people could be red, attempt to shut down a pro town idea, request the names of the bgs. A player of his ability knows he has to provide far more than he has given this game and I am taking notice.
Foolishness
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kingjames is called out on by Incog, and there's further analysis by BC. His last sentence is the perfect sum to kingjames: "The key thing to note is that in contrast to his town play where he is outgoing and analytical, his posts in this game are very subdued, seem artificial and feel overly planned." kingjames has yet to do anything to contradict this.
Protract
+ Show Spoiler +On January 17 2012 06:19 Protactinium wrote:kingjames In this game, kingjames proposes that bodyguards be made public, posts a consideration that BC may be the mafia jack, and then disappears. Show nested quote +On January 14 2012 09:14 kingjames01 wrote:
Also, consider for the moment, that BC may be mafia Jack.
If he uses his Mason power on Day 1 to establish his credibility and then is subsequently elected to office, we will not be able to find the mafia Jack.
It is a risk, but I know that BC will take that risk. He is very much a medium-risk, high-reward player.
EVERYONE! WHAT HAPPENS IF BLOODYC0BBLER IS MAFIA JACK?
I consider this scenario involving BC to be within his bag of tricks, and I will not vote to elect him into office.
A fear mongering post that asks what happens if BC is red, with no opinion or followup. Another case of apathy. Contrast this with TL Mafia XXXVIII where instantly gives strong opinions on some of the proposed policy plans (random lynching, zodiac lists), immediately jumps into trying to find mafia, posts some detailed analyses, and does a lot of poking and prodding. In this game, kingjames does not attempt to find mafia. He instead discusses outing bodyguards, and casts doubt on BC without providing any opinion. The key thing to note is that in contrast to his town play where he is outgoing and analytical, his posts in this game are very subdued, seem artificial and feel overly planned.
Now on to more indepth analysis
On January 16 2012 12:03 kingjames01 wrote:Show nested quote +On January 16 2012 12:00 Kenpachi wrote:oh shit i posted this without refreshing l0l. but yeah i was referring to this post + Show Spoiler +On January 16 2012 11:04 blahz0r wrote:Show nested quote +On January 14 2012 22:58 Toadesstern wrote:On January 14 2012 11:51 wherebugsgo wrote:
I'm willing to vote bum for the fact that I like him right now. I think he's
Bum are you willing to lynch Palmar?
I'd be willing to lynch BC too if I continue feeling the way I'm feeling about him. But we'll see. Need more time on that, since BC is much harder to read than Palmar. Palmar's just like lolscum woke up and I'm at this post. Yeah I liked bum a lot too but I don't really like the people he likes  So you went from liking him to not liking him because of the people he likes. Show nested quote +On January 16 2012 01:52 Toadesstern wrote:
btw I'm not convinced risk.nuke is mafia at all :p
I'd gladly lynch scumdroba or bum. I think sandroba is more scummy however I am a little afraid that we might end up lynching a townie because BC might be a mafia too. If BC's a mafia I don' think sandroba is mafia.
Conclusion: I want to lynch sandroba. I'd rather not risk lynching BC so early and lynching sandroba is way better information for us while giving pretty decent chance to hit a red mine Now you want to lynch him? Show nested quote +On January 16 2012 08:20 Toadesstern wrote:On January 16 2012 06:22 wherebugsgo wrote:
@ Toadesstern:
Please explain why you find bumatlarge to be scummy.
Also, summarize your thoughts on Protactinium and sandroba while you're at it. I want to know things from you.
as promised (sry took longer because I completly forgot it ) about sandroba:I don't like the fact that BC lynched Palmar at all. Sandroba was the guy who made BC lynch Palmar instead of whoever he wanted to lynch first. I asked BC and Sandroba to show me their pm logs, neither one did it and I don't like the coincidence of bc masoning sandroba although I have to agree that that one point probably is circular reasoning because I think it's something that makes bc scummy Sandroba's budding with Palmar (without a reason) and with BC (without giving an explanation). Also he voted BC. If you now look at what I posted about bum and BC you realize that there's a lot of mentioning each other within this circle of BC-Bum-Sandroba. I've got the feeling sandroba is trying to trick me/ us his picks and his style obviously is not helping at all.My highest priority to lynch right now would be sandroba, followed by bum. I won't support a bc lynch although I think he's leaning scum for me right now because I'm not sure about my judgement of bc yet. I'd say he's got a 30-50% of flipping red instead of true 10 out of 50. Yes you did say a little about it but all you have now is a feeling. Why did it go from people he trusted to just a feeling? Show nested quote +On January 16 2012 09:36 Toadesstern wrote:On January 16 2012 09:26 wherebugsgo wrote:On January 16 2012 09:05 Toadesstern wrote:On January 16 2012 08:42 wherebugsgo wrote:
I don't agree that Protact has been giving town direction at all. Notice how absent they have been for the vast majority of the last 24 hours?
well yeah but he I consider him being right with some points about BC. I think the talk about masons was not good for town. We could have discussed something else as well, we had enough stuff (like who's acting scummy) and who we want to lynch. BC kind of produced a mass claim. I still don't know if it's that bad but it certainly was not was he intended, at least not without discussing it but discussing it took way too much time when we needed to get a defined picture of our mayors. So yes, protac posted very little, I am scared of him as well and I'd love him to be in no office at all. Still what he posted gave me town vibes. What are your thoughts about sandroba, bum, bc and protac? I think I answered them good enough from my point of view. [...] Bum, I'm unsure of so far (haven't read through his posts thoroughly tbh). From the initial read I was getting, townish. However, I don't think I've given him as much attention as I should have. I will reread the thread again a couple more times with the flip in mind. [...] The thing about the Palmar flip is that it makes people like zeks, opz, and several others look bad. Lanaia looks bad as well; she has not commented on anything concrete and so far has had no scum reads. It looks rather similar to her play from XLVII. At any rate, I still want thoughts from people on Protac and opz. Sandro/zeks/Lanaia thoughts would be nice too. Yeah I had a town read on bum early on too. The scary thing about protac for me btw (because I did not explain why I called it scary) is that he looks townish to me but I can't realy put it down with words. I'm not trusting myself there at all because I don't even know why I got that townread, it just feels townish because I really liked the big post he did. Sure that' something but that' should not be enough to give me a townread when he's lurking so hardcorde. Why does palmars flip make people like zeks or opz look bad? I'm going to be honest here: They're both a big blank note for me. Go back to bum. Is he MAFIA or not? Can you explain more besides this "I got this bad feeling because so and so are together". I'd like to believe you but there is uncertainty for now. Is there also a possibility that one of them could be town led astray? Still reading a day or two worth of text =\ I reached similar conclusions based on that post as well. blahz0r
Wow, this is a stunning contribution. Not only did you agree with a player who has done sweet fuck all this game, YOU DID THE EXACT SAME THING. I got a conclusion he is red. I am so glad you have a conclusion, wheres all that drive you have in pushing for p4n right now in this case? Nothing? Just hes red? Stunning revelation with no actual detail. Fluff post for the sake of posting, 0 real content.
On January 16 2012 12:09 kingjames01 wrote:
Crap, pressed Enter accidentally.
blahz0r, you are attempting to justify your choice for tomorrow's lynch.
Since, you as mafia, NEED AN EXCUSE to vote, you just dug around looking for someone, anyone, to cast suspicion on. You're also not doing it very convincingly.
mafia: blahz0r
Oh, we see the "i hit enter accidently" and threw the "you need an excuse to vote so you are justifying your lynch ahead of time. This means your red" Actually, he never said "i think so and so is red but am going to give them a day. Or, good lynch target that i will push tommorrow." He infact looked very much like he was asking for an explanation of someones jumping back and forth.
On January 16 2012 12:26 kingjames01 wrote:Show nested quote +On January 16 2012 12:18 BloodyC0bbler wrote:
What is interesting however is that you have not voiced a single thought on what I actually did in regards to making sure bgs are outed should both myself and bm die.
Wrong. Show nested quote +On January 16 2012 11:59 kingjames01 wrote:
I have never suggested or supported the lynching of your Bodyguards. As long there are precautions taken to give us the names of the Bodyguards in the event of your or BM's early demise, I am fine with it. However, since I respect your abilities to succeed as scum, I don't trust your intentions. I don't trust your actions. I don't trust your plans.
Town, Here are some major assumptions to question: If BC is Town-aligned, then why hasn't he been working on BM? Does he think the mafia DID NOT GET A SINGLE CANDIDATE ELECTED? BC: Do you think that the mafia entered into the election race? Do you think that they succeeded? What do you think about BM's alignment? Be accountable. You asked for the spotlight. Convince me that you are pro-Town because the result of your actions show otherwise.
Another fluff post. He throws on more "suspicion" on me by saying if I was town aligned why aren't I working with bm. The obvious answer to that is that people like protrac are for more helpful to work with. It also means that I'd be working with someone able to analyze me more competently in pm's to catch me if I was red.
He makes a point saying do I think that mafia did not get a candidate elected? at the time I was unsure, even now I am unsure. We know mafia ran for office, but knowing if they got in or not is something I cannot at this point say yes or no to.
On January 16 2012 12:56 kingjames01 wrote:Show nested quote +On January 16 2012 12:25 Protactinium wrote:
HEY GUESS WHO FLIPPED MAFIA
Sandroba is obviously innocent now.
##Vote Macpo Protactinium, you voted for a Double Lynch. Do you have a read on a second player?
Blatant disregard for reading the thread. Protract had already posted an analysis on several players and as such asking him this question is fluff activity. Reading a thread, missing a giant analysis post then asking a question like this is horrifically bad. As I know you aren't this bad, you lose marks for it.
On January 17 2012 07:13 kingjames01 wrote:Show nested quote +On January 17 2012 06:39 Nisani201 wrote:
Why would a scum use bullshit to support a townie campaign? Show nested quote +On January 17 2012 06:45 VisceraEyes wrote:
Why would scum support a townie campaign? Hmmmmmmm? What are you guys talking about? I don't understand if you are being sarcastic or not. However, MAFIA NEED EXCUSES TO VOTE. It doesn't matter if they vote for or against Town. They will always need an excuse because they KNOW who isn't mafia. It is very common for mafia to pretend to support Town-aligned players. It was a very good tell that Ciryandor was looking for a reason to cast his vote. At the time he claimed that Mr. Wiggles (who he knew to be Town) had the best campaign. He stated no other explanation. There was no comparison between the various platforms. It was simply an excuse to cast his vote.
Is talking generalities about the game. Given that a player of your ability you chose to explain why a mafia might support a townie campaign instead of discussing possible lynches is confusing. This does not contribute at all to the days events and once again is feigned activity. Its a neutral post that serves no purpose.
On January 17 2012 07:17 kingjames01 wrote:
Bill Murray:
You incarcerated Lanaia during Night 1. Why did you choose her? Also, why do you think you saved her from death? She received no such notification.
Do you believe that the mafia joined the election Day 1 and do you think that they succeeded to take at least one of the roles?
Have you taken also precautions so that in the event of BC and/or your early demise, the Bodyguards will be revealed to the thread?
Asking questions. Although this appears "relevant" as it is information someone would want to know, you don't move on to naming suspects. You don't move onto anything. Instead you want information on a role use.
On January 17 2012 10:14 kingjames01 wrote:Show nested quote +On January 17 2012 10:07 Bill Murray wrote:
BC is mafia
I am voting BC
I have been masoned by 2 people, NONE OF THEM ARE OPZ OR BC Wait, what's your proof that BC is mafia? I have strong suspicions but do you have anything more than this: Show nested quote +On January 17 2012 10:10 Bill Murray wrote:
i am CERTAIN 1 of OpZ or BC are mafia, now, and who else to elect mayor if not the mafia jack? Show nested quote +On January 17 2012 10:10 Bill Murray wrote:
WBG I am trying to jail to lower their KP
Say L was roleblocked and Lanaia was jailed
WHAT IF BOTH ARE MAFIA? Also, mafia needed to have lost the use of 3 members to reduce their KP last night. Does the death of Ciryandor affect their KP? I'm under the impression that it did not.
Rather than taking the time to do a solid analysis of me as he quoted someone who also has a mafia read he instead asks why, and says i have suspicions. He then moves onto clarifying a section of information about the OP. This is a post he could have used to build a case against me based on his read as another player shared it, instead he did not.
On January 17 2012 10:16 kingjames01 wrote:sandroba has not claimed Mason. BC chose sandroba as his target Day 1.
Fluff post. He answered a question with information already available in thread.
On January 17 2012 10:18 kingjames01 wrote:Show nested quote +On January 17 2012 10:15 Toadesstern wrote:
no sandroba has not claimed mason. mattchew was one, BC claimed mason, opz claimed mason and jitsu according to my notes but I don't have a link to that one so I'm not sure if jitsu is right but I there's no reason to doubt that for me :p That is correct. Jitsu claimed here: Jitsu's Mason claim
again, clarified a roleclaim. Another fluff post. No real content.
On January 17 2012 12:14 kingjames01 wrote:Show nested quote +On January 17 2012 12:08 BloodyC0bbler wrote:
Anyone discussing currently to lynch protrac or sandroba, quit it. At the moment the two of them have done far more pro town behaviour this game than most of you. The case of roba is retarded beyond belief and in my head is being tunneled by people massively attempting to bury all content posted on both macpo and ggq. This could also refer to king james as he was called out early into the day. What does the bolded part mean? When was I called out? Are you saying that you've finally decided that I'm Town?
Ignore the fact that I analyzed him and that Protrac analyzed him. This defines being called out. Someone performing any analysis on you is a sense of "calling you out" as it puts you in the spotlight. Again shows ignorance of a case against him.
On January 17 2012 12:29 kingjames01 wrote:Show nested quote +On January 17 2012 12:14 VisceraEyes wrote:
BILL MURRAY TELL ME THE NUMBER OF MAFIA THAT ARE MASONS PLEASE!!! Stop spamming the thread. Town: At the moment, we're going around in circles arguing who to lynch, with "my choice is better than your choice" and "why aren't you listening to me?" We need to begin consolidating our lynch candidates so that we can remain focussed for the next day. I am going to list some of the players that I have deemed to be somewhat suspicious. However, in the interest of not fracturing the Town, I will wait to push their lynch. Nevertheless, their names will remain recorded here. This information may turn out to be useful if everything works out. 4. Slardar 15. L 22. rgTheSchworz 27. BloodyC0bbler 30. blahz0r 39. hiro protagonist 49. Scamp Also, BC, your voice and votes are important because they carry more weight. What is your plan for the next day? Who do you wish to lynch?
tells VE to stop spamming when he up till this point has been posting near useless posts. Similar bad behaviour for different reasons. He then goes onto talking about consolidating our lynch candidates, makes no efforts to do so, then gives a list of seven players with no analysis on each as to why to avoid "fracturing the town". Excuse not to contribute.
On January 17 2012 13:45 kingjames01 wrote:If no more information is revealed in the game, then this is what we know about the Night 1 actions. Bill Murray incarcerated Lanaia. mafia attempted to kill: Kurumi, Mr. Wiggles, GiygaS, kitaman27. They succeeded on the first 3 players. kitaman27 survived the hit. Kurumim shot Ciryandor. Here are several posts showing that Kurumi believed Ciryandor to be mafia. Show nested quote +On January 14 2012 01:28 Kurumi wrote:On January 14 2012 01:18 Palmar wrote:On January 13 2012 14:56 Protactinium wrote:On January 13 2012 14:26 Ciryandor wrote:
/confirm
LOL I won't vote for Kitaman after XLVIII's disaster. He was an absolute derp in that. Waiting for people to put in a serious campaign with a decent policy. This is why I'm waiting for Mr. Wiggles and Cyber_Cheese to provide us with good reasons; and right now, Wiggles has the best campaign of the lot.
I of course wonder if Sandroba or Palmar will try to get to the elections again. I'm running for mayor on the platform of lynching Ciryandor. There's no way you seriously think Mr. Wiggles has the best campaign. Hey I agree with this guy, so I'm voting him. I am very much a fan of killing Ciryandor. Is the Ciryandor quote the classic "scumslip" or am I mistaken, since "waiting for Wiggles" then "Wiggles has the best campaign?" besides, <generic things> <vote for me> is not good enough to earn a vote. Show nested quote +On January 14 2012 01:43 Kurumi wrote:On January 14 2012 01:35 Palmar wrote:On January 14 2012 01:35 Kurumi wrote:On January 14 2012 01:29 Jackal58 wrote:On January 14 2012 00:53 kingjames01 wrote:On January 14 2012 00:38 kitaman27 wrote:
KJ's bodyguards should claim plan is incredibly poor. So is Jackal's. Even if the scum team did subsititute all three bodyguards, they still have to worry about a electoral official being a vet, which would cost them 3 scum or that one of the bodyguards wasn't jailed, which would also cost them 3 scum. First, there are only 2 Bodyguards. Second, I agree with you about Jackal's comment about lynching a Bodyguard. Third, you're actually agreeing with me in essence. I'm saying that if they sneak in a Bodyguard, it will be risky to take out the elected officials. However, to make it harder for them, they should be revealed from the beginning. What if both elected officials are killed and we have 0 clue as to who the Bodyguards were? Are you okay with that risk? Finally, are you stating for the record that if you were elected, you would not reveal your Bodyguards? And what is wrong with the threat of a lynch on a BG? If you don't think scum aren't going to try to sub in at least 1 of them as a BG you're being quite unrealistic. Just leave the threat of it out there. We should not make Bodyguards claim. Good to know that someone actually reads my posts Palmar, if You were given ability to kill someone right now, who would it be? Ciryandor, for speculating about if sandroba or I were going for the mayor position. You're consistent, good. Given that that's a huge game and we've got no special means of removing lurkers, do You find it logical to have a decent amount of KP on town's side? Do You think that Ciry will try to feign inactivity today? Show nested quote +On January 14 2012 20:21 Kurumi wrote:On January 14 2012 20:18 Palmar wrote:
Day 1 has two goals, getting someone I want in office, and killing someone I want to kill. Incog and Ciryandor fit the bill, my work is done here. Wait, You want Incog elected and Ciry killed or both of them killed? and of course, Show nested quote +On January 15 2012 03:28 Kurumi wrote:On January 15 2012 03:12 Ciryandor wrote:
Whew, finally caught up after 25+ pages. Seriously. I just got home from being away all day today and had a long day at work yesterday, and people think I'm a good lynch candidate, especially for like half the mayor candidates? That's just fine and dandy, but there are other players who fit the same criterion.
Some reads on players of interest:
I honestly think GGQ has just as bad a posting history as mine, and that he has escaped scrutiny by creating an FoS on me just because I was asking why I should be believing the early candidates like Cyber_Cheese instead of Mr. Wiggles during that time.
I also can't blame Protactinium for thinking I'm bad as well with my responses, but I wouldn't vote for him just because he thinks BC is scum, and he hasn't buttressed that argument since. As far as I've read, I think BC has townie interests at heart and is in the usual situation with leading mayor candidates, having a hard time justifying what he would do with the position beyond the Day 1 lynch power, but a point against him as well is that he has not delivered his mason partner, which he had decided to reveal in one of his posts.
Also, risk.nuke being suddenly defensive after some criticism of him making a half hearted push for mayor is IMO very newbie townie play, or a scum being baited to attract others' attention to him. This should be noted as I think risk is noob town who does not know how to defend his positions properly.
Just a question, where is Kurumi? At least sandroba has posted even if he thinks I'm scummy for asking if he's running, and Palmar has said he doesn't really care now about the vote; which is uncharacteristically sour of him. I read Palmar as trolling town more than scum because of that, as he would have probably given a token "I support someone because they're worth trusting" post (as that could influence newbies/lurkers) who see people commenting at him being a veteran voting that way at the very least if he were scum.
Finally, I have to note that Bill's post that it is likely we have a scum candidate among the front-runners leads me to think we should actually do a vote-swing to a random strong candidate, and that the votes for that person should come from people who have already voted, as IMO it is more likely for scum to have delayed voting to have more influence over the result in a close race and not waste votes in a throw-away push for their candidate if a runaway win were to happen. Right now I'm torn between Proact and Sandroba in voting, because at least they're concrete in promising ONE NAME to lynch instead of being wishy-washy in getting a list of targets up, and that I think they have plans for town after Day 1 that don't need to be publicized yet. scum From Occam's Razor I had already assumed that Kurumi was the vigilante responsible for Ciryandor's death. I recall encountering some doubt after the Day 2 Post. Also, I don't want the idle speculation about whether the mafia used one of their KPs on Ciryandor. Finally, kitaman27: I read through your filter again but don't see an updated suspect list. Since I believe that you were targetted for death last night, I am very interested to hear who you would like to lynch Day 2.
First "large" post via quoting things. He starts off by recapping the night 1 events, then speculates that kurumi shot ciry. Speculating on who killed who is not useful if we have no claims to the kill. In fact its a near useless post as even if Kurumi did shoot ciry it does not matter. No one stepped forward to claim the kill, as such we had no one to analyze to see if they were legit or not. Anyone would assume that the dead vig would be responsible purely because no one stepped forward to claim that shot. Useless post.
On January 17 2012 14:53 kingjames01 wrote:I have a long day tomorrow and it starts really early so this is going to be my last post for the night. Town: kitaman27 was shot Night 1 which accounts for the last mafia KP. We can trust what he says without worrying if he's lying to us. He may be wrong, but he's pro-Town.Show nested quote +On January 17 2012 14:37 kitaman27 wrote:I find it interesting that masons are more interested in getting reads off the Sheriff than to have a chat with the guy that just got shot. Everyone is talking about how dangerous masons can be because of the possibility that one of the two players could be scum, yet nobody wants to take advantage of having a conversation without that possibility? I'm hurt BM, there has been quite a drop off in your play from day one to day two. Do you honestly believe it is easier to identify a scum that will be shooting than it is to identify a town that will be shot? No more nonsense with your sheriff role please. I feel it was a poor decision to share the bodyguard identities, that will only lead to problems down the road. Your focus on masons concerns me and I'm having difficulty following you at times. bugs, your current vote explanation is extremely weak. What happened to the Scamp case? On January 17 2012 06:18 Slardar wrote:
I never said let's not scumhunt Yet that's what your actions say. Do you care who gets lynched or are you just along for the ride? There are people in this game that have been so irrelevant, they're not even worthy of being brought up as lurkers. Cwave, BrownBear (?!), Munk-E, Slardar, rtgICEMAN, Maxella, igabod (or whoever his replacement was). You guys are harming the game by not playing. If you don't contribute, we're eventually going to get to a point where all the active players have been killed off and the only way to distinguish players is whether they made two posts or three. If your name is listed and you are town, please don't disappoint. ------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------- Here are my thoughts about my lynch preference for today, L. He never mentions a serious lynch candidate on day one. That is not one of his priorities. His entire focus is on the election and discussing other trivial matters. His approach to the election is not to comment on the election candidates or share his opinion on them as individuals, but to discredit them in a broad sense. He explains numerous times how there is probably a scum within the frontrunners, but never indicates which one. He apparently has no opinion on BC's mason fiasco, nor ever mentions the campaigns of prot or BM. In addition, you go out of your way to discredit Foolishness on numerous occasions. Instead of selecting one of the frontrunners, he supports VE with the following statement: On January 15 2012 06:23 L wrote:
I'll vote for you if you figure out a snazzy plan to confirm that you aren't bullshitting about your role. Obviously role has nothing to do with alignment. You even reference this fact later on in one of your posts. The goal of the Jack is not to confirm his role. Any means of attempting to confirm his role only takes away from his ability to use his role in a pro-town fashion. Now on to your first actual scum suspect: On January 16 2012 23:32 L wrote:
2) Short end of the stick is that Kurumi crumbed shooting Kenpachi yesterday and he's still alive. I wanted to wait to see if he'd claim being hit, but he hasn't. Veterans/Medic protected individuals on the town side would have claimed this asap. Kenpachi wasn't jailed, I was roleblocked. Given all of that, the only way I can explain him being alive after Kurumi's flip is that Kurumi's pretty overt crumb was a lie (odd, given that kurumi WAS a vig), or that Kenpachi is the mafia jack, or was saved by the mafia jack.
So uh, Kenpachi's my lynch vote for the day. Essentially your entire argument comes down to Kurumi hinted that he might shoot Kenpachi. I find it incredibly odd that you have decided that it is more likely that Kenpachi was saved by the mafia jack, than it is for kurumi to have not shot last night. From my perspective, if the mafia team was truly worried about kurumi shooting kenpachi, they don't waste a JACK ability, they bury the roleblock with the kurumi hit. Essentially your explanation is that mafia decided to give up a kp (Jack role use) in exchange for being able to roleblock you. That's not something I buy. ##Vote L kitaman27: Kurumi shot Ciryandor. Show nested quote +On January 17 2012 13:45 kingjames01 wrote:If no more information is revealed in the game, then this is what we know about the Night 1 actions. Bill Murray incarcerated Lanaia. mafia attempted to kill: Kurumi, Mr. Wiggles, GiygaS, kitaman27. They succeeded on the first 3 players. kitaman27 survived the hit. Kurumim shot Ciryandor. Here are several posts showing that Kurumi believed Ciryandor to be mafia. On January 14 2012 01:28 Kurumi wrote:On January 14 2012 01:18 Palmar wrote:On January 13 2012 14:56 Protactinium wrote:On January 13 2012 14:26 Ciryandor wrote:
/confirm
LOL I won't vote for Kitaman after XLVIII's disaster. He was an absolute derp in that. Waiting for people to put in a serious campaign with a decent policy. This is why I'm waiting for Mr. Wiggles and Cyber_Cheese to provide us with good reasons; and right now, Wiggles has the best campaign of the lot.
I of course wonder if Sandroba or Palmar will try to get to the elections again. I'm running for mayor on the platform of lynching Ciryandor. There's no way you seriously think Mr. Wiggles has the best campaign. Hey I agree with this guy, so I'm voting him. I am very much a fan of killing Ciryandor. Is the Ciryandor quote the classic "scumslip" or am I mistaken, since "waiting for Wiggles" then "Wiggles has the best campaign?" besides, <generic things> <vote for me> is not good enough to earn a vote. On January 14 2012 01:43 Kurumi wrote:On January 14 2012 01:35 Palmar wrote:On January 14 2012 01:35 Kurumi wrote:On January 14 2012 01:29 Jackal58 wrote:On January 14 2012 00:53 kingjames01 wrote:On January 14 2012 00:38 kitaman27 wrote:
KJ's bodyguards should claim plan is incredibly poor. So is Jackal's. Even if the scum team did subsititute all three bodyguards, they still have to worry about a electoral official being a vet, which would cost them 3 scum or that one of the bodyguards wasn't jailed, which would also cost them 3 scum. First, there are only 2 Bodyguards. Second, I agree with you about Jackal's comment about lynching a Bodyguard. Third, you're actually agreeing with me in essence. I'm saying that if they sneak in a Bodyguard, it will be risky to take out the elected officials. However, to make it harder for them, they should be revealed from the beginning. What if both elected officials are killed and we have 0 clue as to who the Bodyguards were? Are you okay with that risk? Finally, are you stating for the record that if you were elected, you would not reveal your Bodyguards? And what is wrong with the threat of a lynch on a BG? If you don't think scum aren't going to try to sub in at least 1 of them as a BG you're being quite unrealistic. Just leave the threat of it out there. We should not make Bodyguards claim. Good to know that someone actually reads my posts Palmar, if You were given ability to kill someone right now, who would it be? Ciryandor, for speculating about if sandroba or I were going for the mayor position. You're consistent, good. Given that that's a huge game and we've got no special means of removing lurkers, do You find it logical to have a decent amount of KP on town's side? Do You think that Ciry will try to feign inactivity today? On January 14 2012 20:21 Kurumi wrote:On January 14 2012 20:18 Palmar wrote:
Day 1 has two goals, getting someone I want in office, and killing someone I want to kill. Incog and Ciryandor fit the bill, my work is done here. Wait, You want Incog elected and Ciry killed or both of them killed? and of course, On January 15 2012 03:28 Kurumi wrote:On January 15 2012 03:12 Ciryandor wrote:
Whew, finally caught up after 25+ pages. Seriously. I just got home from being away all day today and had a long day at work yesterday, and people think I'm a good lynch candidate, especially for like half the mayor candidates? That's just fine and dandy, but there are other players who fit the same criterion.
Some reads on players of interest:
I honestly think GGQ has just as bad a posting history as mine, and that he has escaped scrutiny by creating an FoS on me just because I was asking why I should be believing the early candidates like Cyber_Cheese instead of Mr. Wiggles during that time.
I also can't blame Protactinium for thinking I'm bad as well with my responses, but I wouldn't vote for him just because he thinks BC is scum, and he hasn't buttressed that argument since. As far as I've read, I think BC has townie interests at heart and is in the usual situation with leading mayor candidates, having a hard time justifying what he would do with the position beyond the Day 1 lynch power, but a point against him as well is that he has not delivered his mason partner, which he had decided to reveal in one of his posts.
Also, risk.nuke being suddenly defensive after some criticism of him making a half hearted push for mayor is IMO very newbie townie play, or a scum being baited to attract others' attention to him. This should be noted as I think risk is noob town who does not know how to defend his positions properly.
Just a question, where is Kurumi? At least sandroba has posted even if he thinks I'm scummy for asking if he's running, and Palmar has said he doesn't really care now about the vote; which is uncharacteristically sour of him. I read Palmar as trolling town more than scum because of that, as he would have probably given a token "I support someone because they're worth trusting" post (as that could influence newbies/lurkers) who see people commenting at him being a veteran voting that way at the very least if he were scum.
Finally, I have to note that Bill's post that it is likely we have a scum candidate among the front-runners leads me to think we should actually do a vote-swing to a random strong candidate, and that the votes for that person should come from people who have already voted, as IMO it is more likely for scum to have delayed voting to have more influence over the result in a close race and not waste votes in a throw-away push for their candidate if a runaway win were to happen. Right now I'm torn between Proact and Sandroba in voting, because at least they're concrete in promising ONE NAME to lynch instead of being wishy-washy in getting a list of targets up, and that I think they have plans for town after Day 1 that don't need to be publicized yet. scum From Occam's Razor I had already assumed that Kurumi was the vigilante responsible for Ciryandor's death. I recall encountering some doubt after the Day 2 Post. Also, I don't want the idle speculation about whether the mafia used one of their KPs on Ciryandor. Finally, kitaman27: I read through your filter again but don't see an updated suspect list. Since I believe that you were targetted for death last night, I am very interested to hear who you would like to lynch Day 2. I also believe L to be mafia and I'm glad that you agree.
Man, this is awesome. You say that someone was shot so we can trust them (thus inferring town) based on a night shot that although likely true, is not confirmed. You say that kurumi shot ciry. Again, likely true but not confirmable. You then say L is likely mafia and are happy someone agrees, yet again give no analysis as to why you think so. Again your are missing the drive you have right now on p4n on your reads. You also give a reason as to why you will be inactive. As you actually vote for L, but give no analysis on him at all (whereas you did pressure and slightly analyze me, harass me and continue to believe I am red) your vote makes no sense as based on actions I was your most suspected mafia choice.
On January 17 2012 23:01 kingjames01 wrote:Show nested quote +On January 17 2012 22:34 Toadesstern wrote:
Ok I'm awake / re.
As mentioned, sandroba has not enough supporters so I'm switching votes. I still don't see how sandroba is NOT fitting foolish's analysis as well but I won't get you on sandroba at this point so I'd might just help you lynch macpo and lynch you all afterwards if this turns out to be wrong. Alright, have to run to TA but this post alone makes me think that you're mafia. FOS: Toadesstern
Again, suspects someone and doesnt go into detail why.
On January 18 2012 12:54 kingjames01 wrote:
I'm just dropping in to check on the game.
I had such a long day and I'm too tired to sit here and read through the posts I missed. I'm actually surprised that the day ended so early. I'll be up in the morning and I'll catch up then. Good job on the Macpo lynch guys!
A post saying that you're not going to do anything right now, and that you are happy we lynched a red that you never talked about. As a note, he was mentioned in that post of protracs you ignored.
On January 19 2012 14:24 kingjames01 wrote:
For those of you who are considering lynching me, you should actually do a little bit of research on your own.
Consider what I've posted and what my intentions were.
When the Town was pushing for Macpo, I voted for L. If I really was mafia, why would I not just hide myself and join the bandwagon?
Voting for someone DIFFERENT put me out there. Furthermore, I voted for a mafia! So was I attempting to bus L so that I could earn Town cred? He wasn't even close to being lynched. I vote for who I think is mafia. That's just the way I play.
When the Town was going in circles, I cut to the heart of the situation and summarized why I thought we had a chaotic day.
I believed then and I still believe now that mafia must have attempted to win an elected position.
I put pressure on BloodyC0bbler because I perceived him to be, at least partially, responsible for the confusion from Day 1.
I continued to question BC and BM's about the DIFFERENCES between their STATED goals and their ACTUAL effects on the game.
Just because more well-known players say that I am suspicious doesn't mean that I am. Think for yourselves! Look at what I've done.
Players attempt to draw me out into an argument. Why am I not using that opportunity to muddle up the thread? Look back on my previous games. If I want to, I can dominate pages of this game just arguing.
THAT IS NOT PRO-TOWN.
I am not acting against the Town. I have not been killed because the mafia want to set me up for a mis-lynch.
I am pro-Town. Don't let anyone tell you different.
Man, your finally up to die and you finally jump out to post. See this is the post you fucked yourself with. This solidified my read on you as no fucking townie would make claims like you did.
When town was voting macpo you voted L, WITHOUT REASON. You never even talked about the lynch target you chose or the one that was lynched.
You said voting differently put you out there? That isn't why you were being analyzed. You then try and take credit by being a townie because L flipped gf? He had been heavily analyzed by others and was a shoe in to die today. Again not something that is worth mentioning.
When the town was going in circles and you "cut to the heart" to summarize. You know what you didn't do? Try and get the town to stop being chaotic. You are claiming to be townlike for summarizing when that isn't a distinctly townlike move. Had you pushed it to stop being chaotic then possibly but summarizing is something either mafia or town can do and it makes no difference.
You then question me and bm, who arguably you spend the most time on for the entirety of day 1 and 2 in terms of real content. You don't seriously analyze bm and you don't vote for me who you did outright call for being red and try to scare monger people from voting me. You didn't push for either of our lynches which does not coincide with what you were doing in thread.
You then move on to say you are not acting against the town. Guess what, you have done nothing for it. Acting against the towns best interests is the same as not helping it. By being apathetic and posting useless fluff posts on non important issues you are showing that you are "active" without leaving your mark on the thread. This is a mafia trait.
You claim to be pro town, yet you have not behaved as such. You out and out lie.
You then in your next post clear foolishness of being mafia and say your moving onto protract. You clear him of suspicion. Now, instead of talking about current lynch choices, you throw up another new choice. In p4n.
On January 19 2012 16:57 kingjames01 wrote:I've gone through the entire Protactinium posting history for this game and these guys absolutely shine. They establish their innocence quickly and decisively. If this was their mafia ploy then I have been taken in completely. It isn't that they are picking the right players to target, it's that they go right to the crux of the post itself. They are scumhunting based on intent which is the right way to play. The only thing that I can conclude is that Protactinium is pro-Town. HOWEVER, when reading through their posts, I am VERY surprised that they missed p4NDemik. They quoted the exact post that made me look at his filter. I am repeating it here: p4NDemik reveals his true natureShow nested quote +On January 17 2012 06:02 p4NDemik wrote:
Nisani your argument is actually pretty compelling. I'm also extremely suspicious of Protactinium now. Especially considering that Ciryandor actually was "torn" about voting for him after he came on so hard for his own lynch. Prot came on hard with a long accusation, to which Ciryandor posted no reply for 2 days. I don't understand why Prot wouldn't find it suspicious at all that someone who he so adamantly accused a day ago was now considering his corner without even speaking to his accusation. I feel like one thing that very consistently annoys town (especially someone who is trying to be high-profile and win an election) is when their questions go unanswered, and we have a clear cut case of it here. Even if your focus changes to another person who you think is more likely mafia you still don't let someone completely off the hook like that. Nisani's argument was not compelling. This was just an attempt to establish a base-line for future votes. In fact, after this brief period of doubt, p4NDemik never EVER again engages Protactinium. Let's all take a look through his filter together: A statement that says he has no real position on anything. Show nested quote +On January 14 2012 10:43 p4NDemik wrote:
OK so I just finished reading everything from the start of the game yesterday to this point in time. I hate getting behind like this as last game I played I was a sub and was even farther in the dark. Nevertheless moving forward!
So, I'm going to side-step all this mason talk a bit because I have never played a mafia game with this role. I don't know whether it is stronger in the hands of town or in the hands of mafia etc. The only thing I'll say about it is that mass-claim sounds like a really bad idea to me. Whatever power (that I have yet to see in action) we take out of the mafia's hands we give them more in that they have an even better picture about town structure and where other blue roles may lie.
I'd like to discuss who I'm going to support for mayor but honestly all of this mason talk has completely sidetracked my thought process while reading and now I'm gonna have to go back and go through filters. Before BC came out as mayor I have to admit I was leaning towards his corner but now I'm going to reassess everyone's candidacies before I cast my ballot. Provides an excuse to cast a vote with no real substance. Show nested quote +On January 15 2012 10:14 p4NDemik wrote:
It's taking me like 2-3 hours a day to catch up on what I've missed while I slept and was out during the day. -_-
Anyways its due time to be voting for mayor and I'm going to throw in my vote for Protactinium. For reasons very similar to Sheth's I'm happy to vote for someone who isn't distracting town with this discussion about masons, isn't idiotically outing himself, or had his initial candidacy proposed by someone other than himself. He seems focused on getting mafia and that's what I want in a mayor. The obligatory "I KNEW Palmar was Town!" post. Also a 'promise' to scum-hunt which we will see has no truth to it. Show nested quote +On January 15 2012 16:36 p4NDemik wrote:
Quite funny as miller he was acting exactly like his apparent scum meta (or so said WBG and crew).
Every time you guys went to meta it just further cemented in my mind he wasn't. If he was mafia surely he would change something up, whereas he was so unabashedly arrogant about his style it seemed clear it was either a) an intentional play to get a rise out of fellow vets and gauge their reaction, or b) he really just didn't want to deal with this nearly 60 page clusterfuck that was day 1.
Tomorrow I'll have to look through all the cases built against Palmar to see if there is actually anything to glean from this but I really doubt there is much. At the least though it should help get some reads on his accusers. The "Don't look at me! I don't know really know what I'm doing" post. Show nested quote +On January 16 2012 07:36 p4NDemik wrote:On January 16 2012 05:30 kitaman27 wrote:
p4NDemik's motives seem questionable. I'm curious why he made your town list BM. His entire focus on day one is selecting a mayoral candidate and doesn't mention who he is suspicious of or would like to get lynched. Since someone pointed out earlier that my filter wasn't working correctly I'll provide it here. Hopefully that works, otherwise I'm not sure why it wouldn't be functioning properly. I'm not sure how I'm really confirmed town in anyone's eyes either as I've been more or less fairly inactive compared to many of the veterans that post in here. You're right in that pretty much my only focus was the election and I explained my reasoning for that: I've never played in a game with masons, I don't have personal experience to draw upon in the argument as to whether it is a role used better in the hands of town or mafia, and due to this I found the whole debate about them to be quite detrimental to what should have been the main goal in my mind. There was also a large fuss made about this Palmar lynch which however WBG want's to portray it was, in my eyes, 100% based on a meta that I had no knowledge of and therefore didn't care to speak to, either for or against. I don't see how my focus on the mayoral election is really a bad thing. I wish we had more of it and less extraneous mason talk now. Next we'll see that he has a very long string of posts where all he does is question other players with no real intent to find scum. These ones are especially funny. Show nested quote +On January 16 2012 15:27 p4NDemik wrote:
evantrees what the hell just happened a few posts ago you are saying how its too early for a double lynch now you're voting for it all of the sudden. Show nested quote +On January 17 2012 06:10 p4NDemik wrote:
Protactinium can you speak to why you didn't follow up at all on your original plan to lynch Ciryandor? No follow-up questions after he became active like a day and a half after you accused him? Going back your campaign looks like 100% presentation with little actual pro-town behavior going on in between them. I'm a bit ashamed now that I actually got caught up in those big flashy posts and didn't question you actions (or lack there of) in between. Show nested quote +On January 17 2012 08:22 p4NDemik wrote:
Toad can you please be less ambiguous are you talking about Proact or Sandro? Show nested quote +On January 17 2012 08:41 p4NDemik wrote:
WBG why are you all of the sudden posting in 3rd person? That's like the most suspicious thing I've ever seen lol. Now I need to read your entire filter. Show nested quote +On January 17 2012 09:02 p4NDemik wrote:
Repeat. wherebugsgo: Why are you all of the sudden posting in 3rd person? Show nested quote +On January 17 2012 09:06 p4NDemik wrote:
People speaking in 3rd person is odd in all walks of life man.
You haven't done anything similar to this all game so I find it very strange. Show nested quote +On January 17 2012 09:10 p4NDemik wrote:
And you referred to yourself in the 3rd person, even if you weren't narrating the entire post that was it is a marked diversion from how you were previously posting and I don't like it. I don't like it one bit I say! Show nested quote +On January 17 2012 09:20 p4NDemik wrote:On January 17 2012 09:18 Kenpachi wrote:On January 17 2012 09:10 p4NDemik wrote:
And you referred to yourself in the 3rd person, even if you weren't narrating the entire post that was it is a marked diversion from how you were previously posting and I don't like it. I don't like it one bit I say! what the fuck. are you joking or something No. I'm most definitely getting carried away with this but I'm not joking. This one even comes with an appeal to sympathy. "Stop picking on me! I don't get it!" Show nested quote +On January 17 2012 09:34 p4NDemik wrote:
Kenpachi can you stop trying to make me feel like I'm an idiot and explain to me why I am an idiot. Actually explain anything please because you seem to have done nothing in the grand scheme of things. The remainder of his posts can be summarized as follows: + Show Spoiler +That's right, a real load of nothing. No real comment on the state of the game or its atmosphere. Some superfluous scum-hunting. More justification to cast his vote. Conclusion: p4NDemik is mafia. PS. Protactinium I did a quick check. I didn't play in TL Mafia XXXVIII. That doesn't invalidate your argument, I assume that you made a mistake on the number of the game. Show nested quote +On January 17 2012 06:19 Protactinium wrote:kingjames In this game, kingjames proposes that bodyguards be made public, posts a consideration that BC may be the mafia jack, and then disappears. On January 14 2012 09:14 kingjames01 wrote:
Also, consider for the moment, that BC may be mafia Jack.
If he uses his Mason power on Day 1 to establish his credibility and then is subsequently elected to office, we will not be able to find the mafia Jack.
It is a risk, but I know that BC will take that risk. He is very much a medium-risk, high-reward player.
EVERYONE! WHAT HAPPENS IF BLOODYC0BBLER IS MAFIA JACK?
I consider this scenario involving BC to be within his bag of tricks, and I will not vote to elect him into office.
A fear mongering post that asks what happens if BC is red, with no opinion or followup. Another case of apathy. Contrast this with TL Mafia XXXVIII where instantly gives strong opinions on some of the proposed policy plans (random lynching, zodiac lists), immediately jumps into trying to find mafia, posts some detailed analyses, and does a lot of poking and prodding. In this game, kingjames does not attempt to find mafia. He instead discusses outing bodyguards, and casts doubt on BC without providing any opinion. The key thing to note is that in contrast to his town play where he is outgoing and analytical, his posts in this game are very subdued, seem artificial and feel overly planned.
Now this is an awesome post. See you went for a player that protrac missed. Then began to analyze him to death. Normally I would be like, awesome, good job. However. YOU DID THIS ONLY AFTER PRESSURED.
He starts off with invalidating p4n because nisani's argument was not convincing. He does not quote this argument, he does not explain why it was bad. He then throws suspicion down because he believes p4n is establishing future votes. Instead he FoS protrac for his sudden change in how he has acted in thread. He makes a leap to interpret a line of thinking that was not stated. Futhermore he says p4n never interacts with protrac after that. Guess what, Protrac called kingjames out and rather than responding, kingjames promptly ignored the analysis as if it didnt exist.
He then continues to analyze posts saying that p4n threw in an "excuse to vote" on a day that kingjames did not vote period. His reason is actually not a bad reason yet is "scumlike"
He attacks p4n for not scumhunting which is something til this point that he himself is guilty of.
He then brings up a ton of posts that say near nothing. Except one thing. The posts are questions that are trying to get answers for suspect behaviour. He then chooses a line of posts that are asking a question that were not answered that was weird as hell. He then asks someone who called him out to explain why rather than sitting back making general statements. Guess what, thats townlike behaviour.
King james analyzed someone who is clearly playing in the towns interests while obviously not doing so himself. This is a post thats designed to target what would be viewed as a weaker player and making a case where there was none. Near all the points made against p4n were actually trash and it was only designed to bury decent posts and create a scene to distract the town.
He then ends the post with a reply to protrac to clarify on a game he wasn't in rather than talk about the analysis done upon himself. Once again dodging the analysis protract did on him.
He then begins to aggressively call players out. He points out to jaj22 that if he has a problem with protracts latest post to clarify why. By this line of reasoning, if he disagreed with protracs analysis on himself why has he dodged it so carefully? His only defense post of himself dodged all analysis done on him and he has been actively seen ignoring protrac.
He then continues to tunnel p4n. Telling people to only vote for him if they want to analyze him. Meanwhile telling people if they want to vote for information that they can kill p4n. This is a complete contradiction in that if they want to kill p4n they should be analyzing him as well if they have to analyze kingjames to lynch kingjames.
Lastly he comes out with this gold.
On January 20 2012 04:10 kingjames01 wrote:Show nested quote +On January 20 2012 03:22 BloodyC0bbler wrote:On January 20 2012 02:43 Jayjay54 wrote:On January 20 2012 02:06 VisceraEyes wrote:
That is, what specifically is the most suspicious aspect of his play. To clarify. Please. lately he's been posting this On January 19 2012 06:52 BloodyC0bbler wrote:
All medics, foolishness and protract are your responsibility tonight to defend.
which I learned is a scum move. for older things, my filter will help. although some reads changed, the BC parts stay. Someone pointed out earlier that he found some scum? Can he show me where? Also, guys, BM is scum and falseclaiming. And I say why: a) I don't see why you would let yourself vote as sheriff if you're a mad hatter. You actually want to die at some point. So why hand yourself in. b) There is no way he has a scum read on both protact and foolishness (on day 2!). This is straight out saying the best scumhunters yet are scum. Which makes no sense as town. Even if you think they're scum, you probably place your bombs some place else. c) "Oh I failed to submit". Yea right. d) "I failed you as a sheriff" indeed e) all this stuff he did before "CC is confirmed scum"; jail desaster laiana, talking shit, see my filter for a little more. HE NEEDS TO DIE. ##Vote: Bill MurrayEven in the highly unlikely very worst case he flips town and he blows up foolishness and protact, we'd at least have a confirmation that BC is scum. This case is bad, but there is still a benefit.Why is everybody abandoning GGQ? I still like his case and would like to lynch him. We would learn a lot about sandro and chaos too ##Vote: GGQ. This vote may change though. Finally, no doubly lynch imo. High risk, little reward. So, he said he only had 1 bomb out. He said to keep him alive on this. Reading his filter he does not state who is one bomb is on. So we already know if he is lynched today that even if his bomb is on one of those 2 players that 1 will live. However it is interesting that to confirm my alignment you are for the carpet bomb killing of 3 other players. Two of which are actively analyzing and catching reds. Massive FoS on this. Next as to reply to jackal. I am fine with keeping you around another day now. HOWEVER. You have stated that you were herp derping because you had a role you wished to use before dying, thats great. That means you should be turning into the jackal that has no reason to herp derp. Continue doing so will result in me believing you just shot your gf to build cred for yourself as L was dead in the water anyway. You have a day to step it up. on to the current lynches, Kingjames01 is an easy first go. Why? Because he has done near nothing this game until he was actively pushed. Then he stops being helpful till again being pushed. His first bit of "analysis" that wasn't on me came at the point where people said lynch him. If he is required to be lynched to actively "analyze a player" this does not scream best interests of the town. Factor in he was trying to get cred from the "i voted for L, why would I vote for mafia gf if I was red" I would say it was easy to read the thread to know L was going to die sooner or later, having at least 1 member jump on that train now makes sense. As for BM, Claiming to save his life, running for election with a role that requires him dying (the fuck) to activate, his wtf jailing of lanaia with reasoning like On January 17 2012 10:10 Bill Murray wrote:
WBG I am trying to jail to lower their KP
Say L was roleblocked and Lanaia was jailed
WHAT IF BOTH ARE MAFIA?
That would explain why we had 3 mafia KP last night, and not 4
i am CERTAIN 1 of OpZ or BC are mafia, now, and who else to elect mayor if not the mafia jack? Note that he said he was trying to jail to lower mafia KP. At that point in time, jailing a red would not have lowered mafia kp (anyone with half a brain would know this). He says he believed to save her from a hit, but someone had already claimed that missing hit in thread. That displayed he was not actually reading properly. I will be voting both of kingjames and bm for now, and heavily watching the thread to see how the day goes. I respect your mafia play and I know that you are attempting to draw me into an extended conflict and ruin any chances we have to actually scum-hunt. Because of this, I will concede your twisted interpretation of my play without engaging you directly on that front. However, I need to point out to everyone that BloodyC0bbler is trying to force me to make excuses. I make none. But, I will counter you, BC, on this point: what will you have gained when I don't flip red? Where do you go next? My final assertion to the Town is as follows: I have been attempting to draw a hit during the Night. I have been a continued voice of reason rather than a seeder of dissension. I have pointed out logical inconsistencies between words and actions. I have ensured that if I were to be shot at night, that my suspects will be known. I don't need to be the loudest or the most active player, as long as my presence cannot be erased easily. In essence, my game plan all along has been to force the mafia to silence me. It is my duty and honour to soak up a shot so that our scum hunters and power roles can continue to work unfettered. Factor that into your analysis of me. Now that it is obvious that the mafia is attempting to mislynch me today rather than to shoot me at night I must change tacks and point out that my actions have all been pro-Town. Indeed, I am Town-aligned. That is what matters here. Vote for p4NDemik.
He claims I am trying to drag him into an extended argument. False. I was attempting to stop a retarded division of votes before it begin on terrible analysis. He then moves onto saying he wont confront me.
He then says what will I do if he doesn't flip red. I will continue to analyze players acting obviously in the mafias interests. He then moves onto "i have been attempting to draw a hit." Really? Howso? By dodging core issues? By not responding to analysis done on you by multiple players? By not explaining your vote on L and by almost dying to modkill day 1?
Your behaviour put you on three radars for a lynch choice. The only shot fired at you at that point would be from a vig.
He makes claims of being a voice of reason and seeder of information when in actuality he has done none of these things. His contributions only have appeared when pressured. He says he doesn't have to be the loudest or active as his presence will always be known yet he as actively gone out of his way to ignore people who pressured him and analyzed him thus trying to keep a low profile. He says his play all game was for mafia to silence him, yet he was not posting actively or loudly, so why would they want to silence him. He was not stopping chaos, he was not analyzing players or even justifying his reads.
Now that he is up for lynch he feels the need to explain why he is pro town? Thats good, when his posts are edited to display this information that hes lying about, Ill believe it.
Everyone lynch this mafia troll now, ignore his posts for the rest of the day as all hes going to do is attempt to clutter the thread and keep his team alive.
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