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On January 15 2012 04:50 Jayjay54 wrote:Show nested quote +On January 15 2012 04:36 Toadesstern wrote:On January 15 2012 04:32 Cyber_Cheese wrote:On January 15 2012 04:31 Cyber_Cheese wrote:On January 15 2012 04:24 Toadesstern wrote:On January 15 2012 04:14 Cyber_Cheese wrote:On January 15 2012 04:01 Toadesstern wrote:
and re. I'll be voting BM right now. d1 (like RL-d1) I thought it's the most horrible thing possible but he gives me townvibes.
There's no way I will vote for sandro, bc or bum because I think either 1 or 2 out of them is scum and the mafia out of those is trying to screw with me / us.
I just don't want to vote into that triangle of I-don't-know.
wbg would be an alternative but I've got more of an stubborn-palmar read than a useless-palmar read and I'd like to lynch someone else d1. If possible someone who's not a vet and leave palmar for d2.
Wiggles and kita didn't say a lot lately so although I (somehow) got a townfeeling out of that much nothing I'd much rather vote someone else.
Mattchew and VE a re both town but I'd rather have someone else in that position imo.
Oh and everyone who got no mention either is hard to judge for me or is not worth a mention. Deal with it :p
Still catching up. I'm reading the last 2 pages, I'm eating and I will post a little bit more if needed. I'll take that as me being too awesome for your judgement or something. I'd like to hear from Foolishness now. What made it seem like a good idea to make Mattchew run for mayor, over equally active people she had more history with? Why is she interested in controlling Bill Murray? actually yeah. I have no idea what you're up to at this point in time. I'm going to quote from my sheet: 7. Cyber_Cheese
I haven o idea
no idea at all I tried several times to get something about you going but I never was able to put something into words. You're like THE nullread I have in this game and I don't know why I have so much trouble to figure you out. Want to to me a faver and tell me real fast who you want to lynch and who's the best mayor in your opinion (other than yourself) ? I don't really want to read your filter again right now  Mayor, I honestly have no idea. I was pretty close to going for Mattchew after he explained how he got to choosing Foolishness. I suppose BC doesn't seem like the bad choice people make him out to be, I feel like he's explained his plan enough. Lynch... Probably VisceraEyes or Risk.Nuke, for starting a mayorial campaign and giving up on it. To clarify the lynch. I want the scummiest person who ran for mayor. I'm just not sure who that is at the moment. Sandroba seems like a decent option. so that's sandroba for lynch, VE for lynch or risk nuke for lynch and BC for mayor? Or was sandroba another viable option for mayor for you? I actually like the lynch the mayor candidate plan. But I really think that scum would bet on their best horse. So if there's one scum mayor candidate, it would be a well established player IMO. That leaves us with? BC? Sandro?
unlikely sandro.
In a game with meapak, myself, BM, incog, and L would make far better "horses" than sandro We are all higher profile players and at least of the 5, 3 of us have decent scum games. Sandro has less experience in both town and mafia compared to the rest of us.
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On January 15 2012 04:57 VisceraEyes wrote:
One of, Jayjay. One of.
where does it say jacks can day shoot?
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On January 15 2012 05:00 Jayjay54 wrote:Show nested quote +On January 15 2012 04:58 BloodyC0bbler wrote:On January 15 2012 04:57 VisceraEyes wrote:
One of, Jayjay. One of. where does it say jacks can day shoot? Jack You can act as a Medic, Veteran, Mason, and Vigilante... but not all at once and not more than once. You may use two of these four powers during the game: Protect, Mason, and Shoot. You may use the same power twice. Note that your Veteran life is not passive like that of a true Veteran's; you must choose when to activate it, and if it isn't used (as in, you aren't hit that night) it goes away. well it doesn't say, that they can't. just "during the game"
true, but wouldn't the jack be limited to the vig restraints? which only let them shoot during the night?
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VE, if you really are a jack, your fucking stupid unless you clarified before you claimed that jacks can dayvig.
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On January 15 2012 05:02 VisceraEyes wrote:
Yeah, that's me being retarded. Last game I played with Jacks had Dayvig as one of their powers. Meh.
Doesn't matter. Treat it like a retarded claim by a stupid newbie.
You do realize you claimed the only other "town role" in this game that could be a mafia role right -_-
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On January 15 2012 05:04 VisceraEyes wrote:
NEXT TIME ANSWER MY FUCKING QUESTION BC INSTEAD OF ATTACKING ME ASSHOLE
uh, i put you on a fucking suspect list and I had answered your question before hand in previous posts. Perhaps it wasn't clear. I wasn't the one who said I'd day 1 lynch you as well, I wouldn't. My view of you as scum is far below my current read on incog who is on par with palmar, foolishness and a few others. You were never in danger of dying with me, so I wasn't the one who forced your claim -_- no one here even asked you to.
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On January 15 2012 05:17 Jayjay54 wrote:
wait what now? I don't get it. WHAT? so you claim a role which exits for both teams. and you shoot CC on the first day based on him contradicting himself and a few maybe softtells? and you think that's a smart play?
then you go ahead and vote for someone who wanted to lynch CC a while back
and he outed another player while he was at it....the only smart move I think he made -_-
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On January 15 2012 05:22 Liquid`Sheth wrote:@Cyr you need to read the thread a little better. You say here that Protac hasn't switched who he is going to lynch : + Show Spoiler +On January 15 2012 03:12 Ciryandor wrote:
Whew, finally caught up after 25+ pages. Seriously. I just got home from being away all day today and had a long day at work yesterday, and people think I'm a good lynch candidate, especially for like half the mayor candidates? That's just fine and dandy, but there are other players who fit the same criterion.
Some reads on players of interest:
I honestly think GGQ has just as bad a posting history as mine, and that he has escaped scrutiny by creating an FoS on me just because I was asking why I should be believing the early candidates like Cyber_Cheese instead of Mr. Wiggles during that time.
I also can't blame Protactinium for thinking I'm bad as well with my responses, but I wouldn't vote for him just because he thinks BC is scum, and he hasn't buttressed that argument since. As far as I've read, I think BC has townie interests at heart and is in the usual situation with leading mayor candidates, having a hard time justifying what he would do with the position beyond the Day 1 lynch power, but a point against him as well is that he has not delivered his mason partner, which he had decided to reveal in one of his posts.
Also, risk.nuke being suddenly defensive after some criticism of him making a half hearted push for mayor is IMO very newbie townie play, or a scum being baited to attract others' attention to him. This should be noted as I think risk is noob town who does not know how to defend his positions properly.
Just a question, where is Kurumi? At least sandroba has posted even if he thinks I'm scummy for asking if he's running, and Palmar has said he doesn't really care now about the vote; which is uncharacteristically sour of him. I read Palmar as trolling town more than scum because of that, as he would have probably given a token "I support someone because they're worth trusting" post (as that could influence newbies/lurkers) who see people commenting at him being a veteran voting that way at the very least if he were scum.
Finally, I have to note that Bill's post that it is likely we have a scum candidate among the front-runners leads me to think we should actually do a vote-swing to a random strong candidate, and that the votes for that person should come from people who have already voted, as IMO it is more likely for scum to have delayed voting to have more influence over the result in a close race and not waste votes in a throw-away push for their candidate if a runaway win were to happen. Right now I'm torn between Proact and Sandroba in voting, because at least they're concrete in promising ONE NAME to lynch instead of being wishy-washy in getting a list of targets up, and that I think they have plans for town after Day 1 that don't need to be publicized yet. However he wanted to kill you at first. So I find it interesting that you're still ok with putting him as mayor. @BC You say again that Mason is an amazingly strong role in the hands of mafia because they have 10 ppl to bounce their ideas off. I just want to say if as the person who got Masoned with the ScumMason you don't realize that someones posts are very different then how they act in the thread, and they seem like they are coming from more then one person then you've made some mistakes. Quit throwing out the theory that just because they have ppl to talk to about it, that scum mason is better. Don't even know why your still throwing this scare tactic out there. + Show Spoiler +On January 15 2012 03:44 BloodyC0bbler wrote:Show nested quote +On January 15 2012 03:29 Jayjay54 wrote:On January 15 2012 03:08 BloodyC0bbler wrote:On January 15 2012 03:00 VisceraEyes wrote:
How does the fact that I pulled out of the elections make me more suspicious?
And did you completely ignore my plea for help regarding my mason situation? Or do you not care because now I'm suspicious? You as a former candidate go out of your way to encourage people to withdraw votes based on a lie. You can say you misread my post which potentially believable due to its length I find unlikely. If people were actively waiting for a piece of information then my large posts theoretically should be read carefully for said information. You are not like jay who has been on my nuts all game. Had you chosen to encourage people to not vote for me as I claimed mason and had solid reasons behind it then I would see you as more townlike, as it would also be discrediting another player with the same claim. By opting to instead cherry pick one candidate over the other I see an inconsistancy. I say this as you made mention before in thread that you had reservations of electing me before as my alignment with my role was not provable (minus a lynching obviously), however this issue would be near identical to another mason and had you kept with that line of thinking as two masons were in the running I would have understood. Singling me out however, via incorrect information, is why you are on my list. sup? first of all, I want to say sorry for saying the unvote thing. Regardless of what my read is of you, people should've unvoted you, if you didn't name your mason buddy. Which you did and therefore my statement was wront. I missed it, sorry! But it was well hidden. Normally such an anouncement is bold and on top of a post. But I guess, you have your reasons. Then, I was not on your nuts all game long. In the beginning, I actually was your biggest stan and saying your campaign is the best. Enter your roleclaim. As I stated like a billion times the motives behind it is still unclear to me. If you can describe me the upsides of your roleclaim, I will not think of you as scum again. Even more so, If you convince me your really town favoured, I will vote you again, since your campaign was the best and you're a good player. But since you kind of just nourished the discussion, but never thematized the timing of the roleclaim, you're scummy to me. The Hydra's case on you is pretty good IMO and is in line of what I believe. I try to be constructive, not just choose a player and piss him off. Using the phrase "has been on my nuts all game" is more or less accurate. You are really the only person who has been against me for a decent period of time. You also have said your reasons why. Do i agree with them? No. I do understand them however. If you compare what you were doing to what VE did you would understand why he is on a radar now and you are currently not. However, as for the upsides of my claim. Look at the specific post Incog (the hydra) quoted of mine from my town analysis thread that I believe i linked in a previous post. (if i didnt i can dig it up, its also somewhere on page 4-6 i believe of the mafia forum). I stress that most people don't use pm's correctly. In a situation where only a few specific players have access to that domain, it gives the mafia an advantage. They will have 10 people able to work on manipulating a player. You can say "i am going to look for manipulation so it won't happen" but again. Ask what I did to VE. It was subtle and vile. All I did was plant an idea that I knew he would think on and run with, and he did it in a way I knew he would. Manipulation is not obvious and a good player will know exactly how to do it without being caught. Mafia will have 10 people making sure its done right. I know that I can freely romp in pm land, but no smart mafia is going to talk to me seriously if i mason them. Why? Because i could do to them what they would do to another player. As such I had to think. How likely is it that only top players got the mason role? Unlikely as fw rng's roles. We are also a gimped mason as we lose contact with who we target after each cycle and can never use it on them again. This is inherently not helpful to town. Why? Because a townie benefits from bouncing ideas off one another in pms. However you need the time to build up a "trust" of sorts with the person to actually get a serious discussion on reads. People will naturally always suspect you at first when mason'd or at least they should. That is not alot of time to get by the distrust and have a discussion of who x and y think is scum. Then you have to go over all those pms and see if there is a hidden agenda there. PM's in the way we traditionally use them to "bounce ideas" or find scum are used over long periods of time with people mulling over information. As your ability to get reads is so short term they are unreliable and far more useful to manipulate or mislead which takes far less effort, and is doable in a much faster span of time. As such I opted to want to discuss the role. However, I also knew that based on my decision to heavily push this point, I would be forced to claim my role as there would be no way I would be able to hide that fact for the game while pushing heavy on its discussion. Even if I could, it could lead masons to out and out claim and would look extremely bad if I didn't while essentially outing people in thread. As such I did right from the get go. @BC Hello there. I've been following you quite closely. At first you suggest that you claiming Mason puts you at 50scum/50town. Since you posted that you've talked more about how this makes you slightly more town. Do you still think your only 50/50 btw? And as for your claim that I'm contradicting myself here : + Show Spoiler +On January 15 2012 04:52 BloodyC0bbler wrote:Show nested quote +On January 15 2012 04:46 Liquid`Sheth wrote:On January 15 2012 00:57 Toadesstern wrote:I'm visiting my sis so I'm out for a couple of hours. However I still have a couple of people I have no idea about. I'm just leaving you with a list of 5 or so names and if you see your name on that list I'd like to know who you want to vote for mayor and if you had to decide the first lynch who it would be. I'm only mentioning people I think might read this, so thx if you do: + Show Spoiler +5. risk.nuke
9. Kenpachi (you won't answer this right?)
11. EchelonTee
14. Liquid`Sheth
20. Ciryandor
49. Scamp turns out I got 6 names instead of only 5 but yeah that's it for now. I'm voting for Protactinium for Mayor at the moment. He has what I believe to have been the best case for Mayor. If I had to decide the first lynch, I'd probably make it a town affair and get everyone's opinions on who they wanted to lynch and then decide based on what that information gave me. so the belief you have for deciding a lynch is via discussion and town consensus but you are voting for a player who has made 0 posts aside from saying he would kill ciryandor if elected or kill me if elected. so You are actually in favour of having someone lynched with 0 discussion as you are strictly following the most inactive of all the candidates who sole stance currently is lynching me. contradiction So to just look at the facts on your post against me, its that once you got threatened you started to use poor logic and counter attack. Just because the person I want to be elected isn't following what I'd do if I was elected isn't a contradiction. I'm not running for mayor this game at all. You are also trying to discredit Prot by saying he has made 0 posts aside from saying who he'd lynch if he was mayor. Hes also posted a lot of analysis on you. So there wasn't 0 discussion. I'm even happier with Prot as my mayoral target because of this. @Prot please post a little more on what you've seen and think at the moment. Just be transparent with where your leaning now please!
and his post on me was primarily based on using words taken from out of game via a thread I made where he misrepresented my own words (he ignored the part about how town doesn't use pms properly) and using a statement of that "he as red doesnt like pm's only townie bc pms" I already have proven how he misrepresented and mafia choose their masons, thus I would never be a mason as red and my meta of not pming holds true.
as for my case against listening to INCOG not prot. Mystlord did not post against me incog did, is purely that I know incog. He couldn't find a selection of posts within this thread to prove I am mafia and instead took posts I i have made over the last year to prove his theory within a game. He failed to account for how mafia actually work in this setup and I know he is a stickler for reading OP;s and he ignored wording in a post he used to damn me.
He also as town would make reference to my town aligned play to be slightly impartial as getting a solid read on me this early would be near impossible for him if he can't use my actual posts in this thread to damn me.
As for contradiction? If your style of play is democratic discussion you would opt to support someone with similar beliefs, not someone who is going to just gun someone down and only appear in thread when they want to.
As for how I talked, would I personally as a third party view myself morelikely to be town than mafia? yes, however I am not you. Base fact is i am 50/50 and my actions in my belief should make me appear more townlike, if you disagree then I can say whatever thats your call however I will know you are wrong.
as for pms. Do you have any idea how I sound like im pms? Do you know what incog soundslike? etc....
This is there advantage. Properly crafted, subtle pms are destructive and can be done easily and simply when people try to do so. Even if you are looking for manipulation you can be screwed. I have outlined why I believe mafia have an advantage based on how it favours them based on setup and based on history of TL. People like Ace hate pm's for a reason.
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On January 15 2012 06:06 Toadesstern wrote:Show nested quote +On January 15 2012 06:05 sandroba wrote:
I'll vote BC since we came to a compromise in pms. Gotta roll.
##Vote: BloodyC0bbler Care to explain?
I agreed if elected to not day 1 lynch foolishness or incog who I have scum reads on.
Instead I will choose someone else.
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On January 15 2012 06:10 Jayjay54 wrote:@BC + Show Spoiler +On January 15 2012 03:44 BloodyC0bbler wrote:Show nested quote +On January 15 2012 03:29 Jayjay54 wrote:On January 15 2012 03:08 BloodyC0bbler wrote:On January 15 2012 03:00 VisceraEyes wrote:
How does the fact that I pulled out of the elections make me more suspicious?
And did you completely ignore my plea for help regarding my mason situation? Or do you not care because now I'm suspicious? You as a former candidate go out of your way to encourage people to withdraw votes based on a lie. You can say you misread my post which potentially believable due to its length I find unlikely. If people were actively waiting for a piece of information then my large posts theoretically should be read carefully for said information. You are not like jay who has been on my nuts all game. Had you chosen to encourage people to not vote for me as I claimed mason and had solid reasons behind it then I would see you as more townlike, as it would also be discrediting another player with the same claim. By opting to instead cherry pick one candidate over the other I see an inconsistancy. I say this as you made mention before in thread that you had reservations of electing me before as my alignment with my role was not provable (minus a lynching obviously), however this issue would be near identical to another mason and had you kept with that line of thinking as two masons were in the running I would have understood. Singling me out however, via incorrect information, is why you are on my list. sup? first of all, I want to say sorry for saying the unvote thing. Regardless of what my read is of you, people should've unvoted you, if you didn't name your mason buddy. Which you did and therefore my statement was wront. I missed it, sorry! But it was well hidden. Normally such an anouncement is bold and on top of a post. But I guess, you have your reasons. Then, I was not on your nuts all game long. In the beginning, I actually was your biggest stan and saying your campaign is the best. Enter your roleclaim. As I stated like a billion times the motives behind it is still unclear to me. If you can describe me the upsides of your roleclaim, I will not think of you as scum again. Even more so, If you convince me your really town favoured, I will vote you again, since your campaign was the best and you're a good player. But since you kind of just nourished the discussion, but never thematized the timing of the roleclaim, you're scummy to me. The Hydra's case on you is pretty good IMO and is in line of what I believe. I try to be constructive, not just choose a player and piss him off. Using the phrase "has been on my nuts all game" is more or less accurate. You are really the only person who has been against me for a decent period of time. You also have said your reasons why. Do i agree with them? No. I do understand them however. If you compare what you were doing to what VE did you would understand why he is on a radar now and you are currently not. However, as for the upsides of my claim. Look at the specific post Incog (the hydra) quoted of mine from my town analysis thread that I believe i linked in a previous post. (if i didnt i can dig it up, its also somewhere on page 4-6 i believe of the mafia forum). I stress that most people don't use pm's correctly. In a situation where only a few specific players have access to that domain, it gives the mafia an advantage. They will have 10 people able to work on manipulating a player. You can say "i am going to look for manipulation so it won't happen" but again. Ask what I did to VE. It was subtle and vile. All I did was plant an idea that I knew he would think on and run with, and he did it in a way I knew he would. Manipulation is not obvious and a good player will know exactly how to do it without being caught. Mafia will have 10 people making sure its done right. I know that I can freely romp in pm land, but no smart mafia is going to talk to me seriously if i mason them. Why? Because i could do to them what they would do to another player. As such I had to think. How likely is it that only top players got the mason role? Unlikely as fw rng's roles. We are also a gimped mason as we lose contact with who we target after each cycle and can never use it on them again. This is inherently not helpful to town. Why? Because a townie benefits from bouncing ideas off one another in pms. However you need the time to build up a "trust" of sorts with the person to actually get a serious discussion on reads. People will naturally always suspect you at first when mason'd or at least they should. That is not alot of time to get by the distrust and have a discussion of who x and y think is scum. Then you have to go over all those pms and see if there is a hidden agenda there. PM's in the way we traditionally use them to "bounce ideas" or find scum are used over long periods of time with people mulling over information. As your ability to get reads is so short term they are unreliable and far more useful to manipulate or mislead which takes far less effort, and is doable in a much faster span of time. As such I opted to want to discuss the role. However, I also knew that based on my decision to heavily push this point, I would be forced to claim my role as there would be no way I would be able to hide that fact for the game while pushing heavy on its discussion. Even if I could, it could lead masons to out and out claim and would look extremely bad if I didn't while essentially outing people in thread. As such I did right from the get go. I guess we're running in circles here. I've completely understand why you think masons are worse on a random town role. Especially, while having elected scum masons. Maybe, you read that in nearly all of my posts I 100% agree with you on that part. No arguements whatsoever here. I just question the roleclaim decision, because I think that you could've become mayor and while doing that connecting your campaign with that discussion, you're strong enough player that you actually could have pushed for it. Also, why not discuss it at night. Whatever. I still don't trust you...but again no need to answer here, no need to further discuss it. Right now. I still don't know who to vote for. Hydra has not been very vocal and I feel thats not good... BM hasn't been either. Just for a brief period of time... Meapak, who are you gonna lynch? Still, th
Keep in mind I have stated that I didn't think this would get me elected, and was pretty sure it would screw my chances. Do I still want to be elected? yes obviously but I would understand why I wouldn't be.
Don't trust me well, maybe my actions if I dont get axed by the mayor will change that.
Thanks for actually considering what I have posted and thinking on it however, that is all i could ask for.
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As a note I am heading out for work, and will be back before the lynch. I will catch up on the thread then and if I am up for getting mayor update who my lynch will be, if not then I will post my thoughts on what has occurred to that point, Be back in like 4-5 hours.
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On January 15 2012 08:29 Protactinium wrote:Quite a few people have voiced concerns that I have not been active enough or have not provided a "gameplan". Well as Wiggles said, everyone's "gameplan" for mayor is pretty much the same and you can make however many empty promises you want. Obviously, I have been scumhunting. That's not going to change. While it may make you nervous or uncomfortable when other people are outposting me by miles, you can guarantee that when I post, I post meaningful content. Other than Foolishness's argument against Macpo (which I agree with btw), I have been the only one who has really been focused on finding the mafia. My posts speak for themselves, and Some clarifications about my BC analysis: While yes, I did state that BC's opinions here are inconsistent with his out of game comments, this is not the foundation of my argument, they are just icing on the cake. Show nested quote +I am glad your third game post of the thread is once again a "i am running on the campaign of lynch this player" it gives nothing on yourself and yet people think you are doing something commendable. You ignore all game discussion and opt to push your own agenda to off players. I am impressed good sir. However, you fail to realize that I am not being the lazy bored me, I am actually playing. Does the fact that I am saying "I am running on the campaign of lynching this player" really say nothing about myself, as BC so claims? No, in fact, it gives you a lot about me. It tells you that I am a no nonsense player who will get straight to the point without cluttering my posts with irrelevant details. It tells you that I am serious about finding mafia and have no interest in spreading confusion and spam in the thread. And you'll notice that I don't only say "I want to lynch X", I actually give reasons for wanting to do so. BC is trying to misrepresent me and trying to convince you that I have done nothing for the town, which is clearly false. Notice how even at this point he still hasn't commented on my case on Ciryandor. BC lies about me ignoring his game discussion. In fact, I devote the first 3 paragraphs of my post just to address the little drama BC has created. I say that his discussion is an irrelevant and unsolvable one that will get us nowhere, while stating my opinion that PMs favor good players and aren't really that scary for town if used properly. That's really all that needs to be said. Yet instead, BC has taken the mason subject and expanded over many pages of the thread, conveniently trashing it and derailing the important discussion of who the mafia is. Look at the bolded section. Pushing my agenda to off players? BC tries to make me look like some bloodthirsty/trigger happy mafia. Guess what: The town's agenda is to kill the mafia!. So yes, my agenda is to kill mafia. That is much different from wanting to "off players". BC is inflating the importance of his "discussion"'s contribution to the town's agenda and is trying to marginalize my attempts to scumhunt, which really should be the town's priority.The italicized portion is irrelevant. I do not fail to consider that you are playing the game instead of being bored, since in fact, boredom is more a characteristic of your town play, not your mafia play. So in this little paragraph, what has BC actually done? He has attempted to discredit me by ignoring all my contributions, inflated the importance of his own contributions to the thread, and attempted to paint me as a trigger happy lunatic. Misrepresentation at its finest, and something that strongly indicates a mafia. I could go on and on to detail more paragraphs, but this should be sufficient. Show nested quote +Notice the bolded section near the top, you know, the amazing tool if used properly? How about we continue reading to where i state it is not used properly and mafia abuse it to win. This is a joke. He does not state that it is not used properly, he says that IF it is not used properly, mafia can abuse it to win. If you read BC's PM stance, it is quite moderate and reasonable. Use PMs if you are comfortable in using them properly, ignore them if you don't. In this game? "Ahhhh ignore PMs like the plaguuuuuu! They are so evil!!" Show nested quote +I do appreciate that you are gunning for people, but you know just as well as I do that masons who are only able to talk to 1 person once over 1 day cycle when unexperienced in that field is a detriment to the town, not a positive. If you refuse to admit to this then we both know your scum alignment. Its not as simple as that. Say, as town I am able to PM with an inexperienced mafia. That is a positive, not a detriment. BC is taking the case where inexperienced townies get into PMs with mafia and get burned, ignoring the case where a capable PM practitioner is able to leverage PMs for an advantage. BC creates an ultimatum where I am branded as mafia if I do not accept his rather skewed and overly-general statement that does not acknowledge the complexity of the PM issue. Show nested quote +What I also find amusing is you concentrate on my mafia style play but ignore my town style play which is near identical (as you well know) where the differences are pushing mafia or town objectives. Bored BC is usually townie BC. But in the case that he is playing seriously as town, a simple check on two separate games with BC as town shows that his style is much different from this game. TL Mafia XXPYP3In TL Mafia XX, BC proposes a plan, answers questions about it, but is rather straightforward and decisive with what he wants to do. He even roleclaims before the end of the election. But what is different this time? He clearly gives an outline of how his claim was a move to get votes, and in the next post to gauge reactions. He doesn't stir the pot by saying "hey lets get a discussion going", he just states his opinions, and scumhunts. Keeps most of his opinions to himself when they aren't necessary, but otherwise its pretty clear he isn't trying to stir things up chaos here. In PYP3, BC doesn't do nonsense. He has almost all analytical posts (about setup/the drafting situation first, then followed by attacks on LSB), and again isn't posting "to stir up discussion". BC's town behavior in these two games completely contrasts with this game. He heavily overemphasizes "lets get discussion going", never gives any indication that he wants to find mafia until he counter-attacks me in his defense against my accusation, and has many contradictions in his posts. Even in the above quote, BC says the differences are when he is pushing a mafia or town objective. Where is he pushing the town objective??? BC does no scumhunting, and is content to litter the thread with nonsense while attempting to marginalize my contributions. So no. Unlike what BC wants to make you think, my case is NOT based primarily on out of game connections. Those are simply bonuses. A quick look at BC's posts show that: He does not display any attempt to find mafia, despite his original campaign promise that "I will question, analyze and call out all those who play in what I view as bad town/mafia like.". He has overemphasized creating discussion on masons and manipulated the course of this discussion while derailing from the town objective to find mafia.As shown in the first section of this post, BC deliberately misinterprets my post and attempts to discredit me by painting me as a triggerhappy who just wants to off people.Lets be honest here. Look at my posts, and look at BC's posts. Which is more important, BC's mason discussion, or my who is mafia discussion? If one of us is really trying to derail the discussion, who is it??? BC is mafia. I am shocked that so many people are still voting for him, though I suppose its natural, since mafia candidates never are lacking in votes.
I have done all I have promised. I have called people out for being bad, I have analyzed their behaviour of why they are there. Have I solidly pushed for their death? no. That is the minor difference.
However, since you are being a complete dick I guess we will have to mention things. Incog uses 2 games to show "my town style of play" both games are from over a year ago. In both games you will notice a complete change of style. One focus' on abusing a blue circle to completely destroy a game where for the most part I am only active when need be. Pyp3 I was aggressive from roughly day 2 on and via hardcore aggression I nabbed most of the mafia and correctly found all the sks.
Now, before everyone goes, but bc, he mentioned whats more important my analysis or your discussion. Guess what monkeys, without my discussion, he would be severely lacking for things to analyze. I started the conversation that GOT EVERYONE TALKING day 1. What did he do? He popped in with random analysis then pissed off for half a day or more to reappear and do it again.
You have purposely not even discussed your knowledge of my current mindset of players and instead opted to use words I have said ages ago. What is more indicative is that you know that if all the masons roleclaim then each of us would be held accountable for actions and any "secret" masons would be outed and lynched. Forcing the only role that is confirmable to be accountable and highly scruitinized at all times DENIES THE MAFIA the opportunity to corrupt without real issues. This is not a regular pm game, this has masons. There is no equal playing field and town is severely out maneuvered.
I am also amused that town would opt to put someone in charge who If town cannot even guarentee that he can release the names of his bgs to people who can reveal the names upon the death of the mayor / sheriff if both bgs are subbed but whatever.
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On January 15 2012 12:02 bumatlarge wrote:
I think it's too late now? I still like protact, no one has gone in depth why he shouldnt be mayor
all gut feelings and one line accusations :/
bum really? His only cause to analyze me is he doesn't like my claim and is using year old + games to prove his case against me where the style in both was completely different.
Everyone go back and read pick your power 3 and read jimbo silvers play, guess what, that was incog. Compare to this game now.
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On January 15 2012 12:07 wherebugsgo wrote:Show nested quote +On January 15 2012 12:07 bumatlarge wrote:On January 15 2012 12:03 BloodyC0bbler wrote:On January 15 2012 12:02 bumatlarge wrote:
I think it's too late now? I still like protact, no one has gone in depth why he shouldnt be mayor
all gut feelings and one line accusations :/ bum really? His only cause to analyze me is he doesn't like my claim and is using year old + games to prove his case against me where the style in both was completely different. Everyone go back and read pick your power 3 and read jimbo silvers play, guess what, that was incog. Compare to this game now. You think he is SK? :D No i don't think you are scum, protact said he wouldnt kill you. Just because protact is mayor doesnt mean he gets to decide the next lynch. If he does lynch you he has a lot to answer to :/ Protact already washed his hands of BC. He's going to lynch macpo. I'll be shocked if macpo actually flips scum.
Honestly, at this point if he doesnt lynch me is is confirmed scum. Do I want to die? No, but if he gunned this hard to analyze me to death as red then refuses to pull the trigger then hes full of shit. He knows I won't flip red and knows he will die right after. If he is able to fuck with town this hard now, keeping me around to continue to argue with will make more confusion and waste more time -_-
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On January 15 2012 12:12 wherebugsgo wrote:Show nested quote +On January 15 2012 12:09 BloodyC0bbler wrote:On January 15 2012 12:07 wherebugsgo wrote:On January 15 2012 12:07 bumatlarge wrote:On January 15 2012 12:03 BloodyC0bbler wrote:On January 15 2012 12:02 bumatlarge wrote:
I think it's too late now? I still like protact, no one has gone in depth why he shouldnt be mayor
all gut feelings and one line accusations :/ bum really? His only cause to analyze me is he doesn't like my claim and is using year old + games to prove his case against me where the style in both was completely different. Everyone go back and read pick your power 3 and read jimbo silvers play, guess what, that was incog. Compare to this game now. You think he is SK? :D No i don't think you are scum, protact said he wouldnt kill you. Just because protact is mayor doesnt mean he gets to decide the next lynch. If he does lynch you he has a lot to answer to :/ Protact already washed his hands of BC. He's going to lynch macpo. I'll be shocked if macpo actually flips scum. Honestly, at this point if he doesnt lynch me is is confirmed scum. Do I want to die? No, but if he gunned this hard to analyze me to death as red then refuses to pull the trigger then hes full of shit. He knows I won't flip red and knows he will die right after. If he is able to fuck with town this hard now, keeping me around to continue to argue with will make more confusion and waste more time -_- IMO he's already almost 100% scum just by the fact that he chose Macpo shortly after Foolishness suspected him. It makes total sense from a scum perspective if you are town; you are a risky day 1 lynch and if you flip town that puts a lot of pressure on Protact. So instead he chooses the target that the number 1 scumhunter would choose (Macpo) and then washes his hands of the responsibility of lynching you. It's incredibly fishy. The unfortunate part about all of this is the fact that we've very likely elected a scum to office, and we lost a very good chance to lynch scum today.
Apparently I got mayor (was requested to send in my lynch choice)
Palmar was my pick
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On January 15 2012 12:16 wherebugsgo wrote:Show nested quote +On January 15 2012 12:15 BloodyC0bbler wrote:On January 15 2012 12:12 wherebugsgo wrote:On January 15 2012 12:09 BloodyC0bbler wrote:On January 15 2012 12:07 wherebugsgo wrote:On January 15 2012 12:07 bumatlarge wrote:On January 15 2012 12:03 BloodyC0bbler wrote:On January 15 2012 12:02 bumatlarge wrote:
I think it's too late now? I still like protact, no one has gone in depth why he shouldnt be mayor
all gut feelings and one line accusations :/ bum really? His only cause to analyze me is he doesn't like my claim and is using year old + games to prove his case against me where the style in both was completely different. Everyone go back and read pick your power 3 and read jimbo silvers play, guess what, that was incog. Compare to this game now. You think he is SK? :D No i don't think you are scum, protact said he wouldnt kill you. Just because protact is mayor doesnt mean he gets to decide the next lynch. If he does lynch you he has a lot to answer to :/ Protact already washed his hands of BC. He's going to lynch macpo. I'll be shocked if macpo actually flips scum. Honestly, at this point if he doesnt lynch me is is confirmed scum. Do I want to die? No, but if he gunned this hard to analyze me to death as red then refuses to pull the trigger then hes full of shit. He knows I won't flip red and knows he will die right after. If he is able to fuck with town this hard now, keeping me around to continue to argue with will make more confusion and waste more time -_- IMO he's already almost 100% scum just by the fact that he chose Macpo shortly after Foolishness suspected him. It makes total sense from a scum perspective if you are town; you are a risky day 1 lynch and if you flip town that puts a lot of pressure on Protact. So instead he chooses the target that the number 1 scumhunter would choose (Macpo) and then washes his hands of the responsibility of lynching you. It's incredibly fishy. The unfortunate part about all of this is the fact that we've very likely elected a scum to office, and we lost a very good chance to lynch scum today. Apparently I got mayor (was requested to send in my lynch choice) Palmar was my pick what the eff how did you get mayor? He had like six votes on you or something
I said the same thing. I didn't even think I got sheriff. I was just asked to submit it as they needed the lynch for the post..
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On January 15 2012 12:12 bumatlarge wrote:
LOL WHEN WAS MATTCHEW MODKILLED?
lol i didnt even notice that ;_;
at like 3pmish this afternoon for screenshotting his pm box
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On January 15 2012 12:18 EchelonTee wrote:
@BC they asked for all mayoral candidates to send in their lynch choice, probably just for procedure. I am certain you got sheriff or mayor.
they did, however I got harassed just after deadline for it as it was required. I could be wrong, but fw seemed pretty sure of the result lol
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On January 15 2012 12:21 Palmar wrote:
For someone who argues constantly that meta is useless, that lynch is terrible bloodycobbler. I have repeatedly asked people to present accusations that aren't meta, and no one has provided any.
Thus it's strictly dumb to lynch me.... whatever.
it was you or brownbear, he is up for a modkill. I already stated I would not choose protrac or foolishness before I went for work as to give them a day for their status.
Also, considering the entire case incog has built around me is more or less just meta and you were for him to off me, i could say the same to you.
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On January 15 2012 12:25 Palmar wrote:Show nested quote +On January 15 2012 12:24 BloodyC0bbler wrote:On January 15 2012 12:21 Palmar wrote:
For someone who argues constantly that meta is useless, that lynch is terrible bloodycobbler. I have repeatedly asked people to present accusations that aren't meta, and no one has provided any.
Thus it's strictly dumb to lynch me.... whatever. it was you or brownbear, he is up for a modkill. I already stated I would not choose protrac or foolishness before I went for work as to give them a day for their status. Also, considering the entire case incog has built around me is more or less just meta and you were for him to off me, i could say the same to you. No, I wanted to kill you because your claim was bad play, as I explained. It has nothing to do with meta, no amount of meta would make that claim good play. @Town, kill this guy asap. At best he's destructive town.
Claim bad for town? Im sorry, I realize most people are bad in pm land and that all townies given a role will use it regardless of competency. As such I made a move that would make it near impossible to operate as a mason without potential downsides. This hinders the mafia's play right from the start before they can get their thoughts into peoples heads or to rolefish. Its a role that is provable day 1, it is one that forces insane pressure on a player if they have to account for their actions. Forcing a mass claim on people and making it so
A) only they can use the mason ability. Anyone else found doing so dies.
B) lets everyone analyze them equally.
C) forces mafia to put their own up for suspicion off the bat or deny them a role in the game.
The downside? It outs the masons.
Guess what, for removing the ability for mafia to fuck people with pms is a huge benefit. They then have to decide how to properly deal with us which will be far harder to do with all of us actively operating in the open.
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