On January 18 2012 10:12 Liquid`Sheth wrote:+ Show Spoiler +On January 15 2012 07:23 ~OpZ~ wrote:
I'm changing my vote to mattchew for reasons that I find completely obvious. Everyone else should also. On January 15 2012 08:22 ~OpZ~ wrote:
I like L's direction his post carries. They like all the extraneous drama that everyone elses had. He's also a notable scum hunter, and very successful at it. I think I'm leaving my vote for him on him actually. On January 15 2012 03:58 jcarlsoniv wrote:Mattchew was walking to the post office to send a letter to his friend. He also had his bundle of campaign posters in his bag ready to post around the town. All of a sudden, he noticed a large shadow directly above him. Before he could look up to see what it was, he was crushed under the massive weight of the object. As a crowd gathered 'round to look at the book that fell from the sky, they knew that the Fates had taken matters into their own hands. Mattchew the Mason has been modkilled.+ Show Spoiler +Seriously though, guys. Everyone go back and read the rules right now. Ignorance will not be tolerated. (Time stamped posts above) True, I did just read your filter, but I also took it in context mostly. I saw that between your two posts (voting for Mattchew and then L) Mattchew had not died. I didn't even think of the possibility that you would vote for a dead person. Turns out I was wrong. You're also right you weren't implying Kita / Wiggles knew BM. Your parenthesis use was confusing to me. However you do still say that you do (know how BM posts when Mafia and that he is easy to read) and yet you've never posted again about it after that. The rest of my post isn't out of context, or wrong or a lie. And you mention twice about the Mattchew --> L thing was in the wrong time. I feel like your defense is just showing that you are really angry at this and probably not thinking that well about it. You ignore how you switched from wanting to lynch Palmar to not wanting to and some other points I've broughten up. Even in your defense you have a huge contradiction. You say : "Holy fucking shit son. I haven't been the harbinger of Protact is mafia or anything this game. Oh no. I asked Scamp, WHO HAS BEEN MIGHTY QUIET, about Protact changing from Ciryandor to wanting to lynch BC, WHO I HAD the strongest town read on. Get this trash out of my face you protact following scum. I've done pointed out you buddying him once." So hes not the harbringing that Protact is mafia but he is pointing him out that I'm a protact following scum and then : "You mad cuz I pointed you out for buddying your scum buddy protact?" So he is really sure that both myself and Protact are both mafia. I've been agreeing with what Protact has said, however even in my defense I only say that I think there are better lynches today then him. So hes said here that he isn't always saying Prot is scum, but says it twice in his post. Another thing to try and take away the attention from you is you say that I make no mention of my reason for voting Protactinium. My reason was posted to you a few pages ago. Someone linked my original post way back when I made it. Why are you blatantly taking something out of context when you know its out of context. Here is my post for why I voted for him : Show nested quote +On January 14 2012 07:29 Liquid`Sheth wrote:
As for why I'm voting for Protactinium for Mayor :
He straight up goes after who he thinks is posting badly. I feel like everyone else has simply said they'll do this, while Protactinium is actually doing it. This post just makes you even more guilty in my eyes. I'm trying really hard to adjust my reads this game if I find they are wrong, and on you I'm really sure I'm just right.
Also, you're an idiot.
On January 14 2012 16:14 ~OpZ~ wrote:Show nested quote +On January 14 2012 16:02 Scamp wrote:On January 14 2012 15:41 ~OpZ~ wrote:On January 14 2012 14:31 Liquid`Sheth wrote:On January 14 2012 14:03 wherebugsgo wrote:http://www.teamliquid.net/forum/viewmessage.php?topic_id=253716&user=87086bum I don't know what you see, but what about any of these posts has utility in any way shape or form for town? In what world is Palmar "not 100% useless" in his current state? None of his posts have breached one line and almost all of them have 0 content. He says Meapak is good, which isn't very helpful, he calls kita's (very valid concerns about his play, mind) dumb, he calls VE dumb and bad, he asks a noob how he knows his meta, and he wants to vote Protact because of a half-assed early game case on ciryandor. If you seriously believe Palmar is not useless then I have to question your angle. I feel like Palmar definitely hasn't been the most useless this day. Those who want to kill off Palmar based on his Meta should be waiting far past just day 1. I'm pretty sure everyone has had a day or two where they can't play much. Lynching Palmar at this point is like lynching a lurker. @WBG -- What do you think about what Protactinium has posted? How do you feel about Protactinium's new lynch candidate - BC? I think its far to early in the game to solidly go after BC. I don't think he's scum just for addressing our rather useless mason role in the way he and I discussed it. I feel the move was solidly pro-town, but I won't trust him still. I never trust BC, L, Incog, or RoL (as evidenced by my repeated murders of RoL). But as of this moment I think he's decently protown, he created a different discussion that needed to be discussed. I will not support any attempts at lynching him day one. Also, we haven't heard from quite a few people on our list of players, most notably L. I also don't think d3 has posted either, which is rather poor to me. As for Palmar, I'll admit I'm seeing a difference, but I've seen this same argument against Palmar a few times. Everyone seems to attack him if he doesn't do his usual posting for mayor or what not. I'd rather he contribute more than what he has. As of right now I find him a very viable lynch candidate. Hi Scamp, how are you, sir? Do you mind gracing me with a few opinions? Like Foolishness pushing for multiple people for mayor, instead of himself?( I still find that the most weird thing about today.) And also Protactinium saying he'd lynch BC if elected - a change from ciryandor. Well alright, but first I question your post. Why did the role of mason need to be discussed? Especially combined with a roleclaim? How is that solidly pro-town? Also, when is a good time to solidly go after BC? Why can't someone go after him on day 1, especially if they have a case to make, and especially since you claim to never trust him? I'm not really opposed to the idea of Foolishness pushing for multiple people and not himself. Last time I checked I'm not running for mayor either, and we elect two people. I find it curious that no one seems to be discussing the usage of the two positions outside of the day 1 lynch, whereas talk about masons cluttered up the thread for a bunch of pages. Finally I'm not really sure why you're asking my opinion on Protactinium going after BC. He posted a pretty verbose argument, you should go pick that apart if you don't like it. My opinion of it is that I think it's legit, but I don't know if it's mafia calling out a notable townie with suspicious behavior because of substandard play (a common mafia Ace tactic, and a good one if that) or if BC truly is mafia and has done a good job of leading the town down topics which aren't quite to the point. I guess they could both be town, too. Highly unlikely that they're both mafia, though. I felt the mason role needed to be discussed, mainly because I'm a mason and I find the role very weak this set up, with the exception of it in mafia hands. The thing about a mass claim for masons just limits the mafia's ability to infiltrate privately. The reason I find it solidly protown is just because it is a pretty bold thing to do, don't you agree? I suppose anytime is a good time, just I don't think using a mayor lynch to lynch a power player like him is a smart move. Thats really what I meant by not a good time to go after him. Claiming not to trust him is the truest thing I've ever said, and I say it every game. I don't like following people just because they say thats the best way. I'm not gonna be sheeped around. And I just asked you about Protact because I was asking somebody elses opinion about it also. I just wanted some discussion on a player
That post, that you quoted, saying I changed my idea on Palmar? I was talking to Scamp about BC. BC was the power player. Read scamps fucking post, or the rest of that post you cut off.
Nothing. Nothing at all you posted against me has been in context or true. Except saying I know BM. I know BM but I'm not the best of telling him from mafia. Especially Day one/two. I never said he was easy, I just said he wasn't that difficult, because after a few days you notice he's either just spamming, or questioning people all the time.
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...Okay....Looking at meapak. He super tunnels GGQ, directs Hiro's wanting of lynching Sandroba, saying GGQ is a better target, called analysis on Sandroba comical, soft defends macp, then defends himself against Foolishness:
On January 17 2012 14:29 Meapak_Ziphh wrote:
Foolishness I'm kinda dissapointed. Your case against me is based around meta. Yeah it's true, I've never tunneled anyone hardcore like I'm doing with GGQ right now, does that necessaily make me scum? You don't think GGQ is scum, however incog/protact agrees with me. So what am I doing then? By your logic I'm a hyperaggressive scum trying to mislynch a townie, thats nothing like my scum meta (feeling free to use this since you brought it up as part of your case).
If you use incog's logic, I'm scum bussing a teammate. But what's my next move? My red list largely agrees with both yours, if I suddenly back off any of them it'll be super obvious. If I'm scum then I'm locked into bussing my own team for the next several days (given that you, me, and incog all think macpo and opz are scum).
I will continue to campaign to get GGQ lynched, he is the best option for today. However, I'm not an idiot, if it comes down to macpo and protact or macpo and sandroba then of course I'll vote macpo.
Everyone should vote GGQ though.
I do not like this post.
Only votes Macpo because the "gods demand." I do not like sheep on my island. No sir.
Again he defends himself against foolishness by saying "My reads line up with yours!":
On January 17 2012 15:27 Meapak_Ziphh wrote:
@Foolishness, you really didn't respond to my points, you just said "I use meta" and then fail to explain how my actions indicate I'm mafia. You failed to address either of the scenarios I put forth. Oh and your line about being hyper aggressive gives me something to do all game, you fail to factor in that I have been and will be hyper aggressive towards player you think are scum. You may not think that hyper aggression is good for the town (normally I would agree however at the moment I feel it's warranted, hence my behavior) however you can't argue that I'm pushing a scum agenda because my reads largely line up with yours.
In This Post:
Please Lead Me Masters!!!:
Note: He's pushing a confirmed town GGQ, over a confirmed mafia, Macpo, while at the same time saying "I feel GGQ is scummier." Now...Being a sheep isn't necessarily a mafia trait, but there was no way to not get Macpo lynched, so he might as well follow the "town leaders"
On January 18 2012 06:01 Meapak_Ziphh wrote:
Foolishness, Protact/Incog, or BC. Get in this thread and start pushing your chosen candidate or I'm going to go back and vote GGQ. I expected you guys to try and lead this thread, however if you're unwilling or unable then the thread will derp (as it is now). At least when I'm pushing someone the thread has direction, right now everyone and their grandma is screaming scum at someone else.
So get in here and start pushing macpo. You three apparently thought he was the best choice for today. I agree he's scummy but GGQ was better... so in interest of streamlining discussion I went with you guys. However none of you have shown any interest in keeping people on track so if none of you have gotten it together in two hours I'm going back and lynching GGQ.
Again, supports Sandroba.
On January 18 2012 07:06 Meapak_Ziphh wrote:Show nested quote +On January 18 2012 06:21 Meapak_Ziphh wrote:On January 18 2012 06:15 Toadesstern wrote:
wtf, why are we even considering to kill GGQ. That guy hasn't posted at all.
Let the vigs deal with those people.
Macpo posted very little as well but I see that he is scummy. Still I'd say it's a job for our vigs.
I'd be up for lynching sandroba and if I have to I'd be also up for BM. He might very well flip red but imo it's too risky to lynch him that early. Alright Toad I'm done with you, gonna give our lovely vigis something to shoot at tonight. Expect an analysis in 30-45 minutes. Toad I thought you were scummy because you have terribad reads, however when I go back through your filter I don't get a scum feel from your posts. You're in the same category as WBG is right now, I don't think you're scum but your reads are atrocious (I do agree with L and to a lesser extent BM however, as I've stated a million times, GGQ is much more likely to flip scum than either of them). Being bad doesn't make you scum, so while you're currently off the mark in many regards, you're not scum because of that. Oh I also looked at Sandroba (again), I still don't think he's scum. Given macpo's latest post I'm going to stick with him as the lynch (it also looks like GGQ will be modkilled).
Attaches the lynch of Macpo to sandroba:
On January 18 2012 12:07 Meapak_Ziphh wrote:
Awesome. All you idiots who tried to get sandroba or protact lynched have a lot of explaining to do.
OMG, IT WAS YOU?!?
-_-...Seriously Meapak, this was a terribad post, with WIFOM out the bunghole. I'm not even going to address anything in it, except my insulting of sheth: "Learn to build a case proper," or subtly insulting me, where Sheth was ignoring all facts, and the fact Sheth immediately OMGUS'd me day one. I had my reasons for suspecting Protact day one/day two, in that's as far as I'm concerned.
(Meapaks post on me, where he GREATLY exaggerates.)
+ Show Spoiler +On January 20 2012 14:23 Meapak_Ziphh wrote:First off, sorry about the delay, second, Sheth is actually better at mafia then I would have given him credit for. Now to opz. Show nested quote +On January 14 2012 06:02 ~OpZ~ wrote:
I'm still wondering the proper benefits to the mass mason claim. I'm neutral as again, the role seems rather bland for the town this game. Being a mason doesn't confirm you. I'd like to know the general town consensus.
So far I see Sandroba screaming for mass mason claim. Which I suppose all of the whisperers being public knowledge would be a good thing. But I don't wanna feel like sheep. I suppose theres no way around it though, or that its really important. I'm Mason #2. And I mason'd BC. But he won't talk to me. *cries*
This is a scum post. He’s neutral, everything about this post is neutral. Wishy washy and neutral are scum behaviors. Show nested quote +On January 15 2012 08:22 ~OpZ~ wrote:
I like L's direction his post carries. They like all the extraneous drama that everyone elses had. He's also a notable scum hunter, and very successful at it. I think I'm leaving my vote for him on him actually. Supports a flipped mafia for mayor. Show nested quote +On January 15 2012 08:55 ~OpZ~ wrote:On January 15 2012 08:44 Protactinium wrote:On January 15 2012 08:37 rgTheSchworz wrote:
So confused at the moment. Have the feeling we're going nowhere, even worse, several of our blues have blundered.
I'm gonna vote BM, as Sandroba has the highest chance of being scum out of potential candidates.His posts have been weird enough, he runs for mayor then isnt particularly active or scum-hunting,some of his posts like the one with the eagle landing on his arm disturbed me.
I'll keep an eye on the following: Risk.nuke, Palmar.
I feel palmar still has a role to play. Don't lynch him day1, maybe day 2 if he continues like that.
The whole mason thing started by BC was useless in my opinion.50/50 chance of being mafia/town. Bollocks, they're maybe more town masons than mafia, maybe less. You can't know that, unless maybe.. you have external information.
Also, as sandro is suspicious and BC had made a sort of a deal with him, my feelings about this persona shall remain mixed at best. When the town isn't going anywhere, look for mafia interference. I clearly have been trying to give some direction to this thread, so there isn't really the excuse that the town is just newb and doesn't know what to do.Furthermore, this game isn't like some others where 2 mistaken townies pollute the thread by attacking each other on pretty thin grounds. If you look at the thread as a whole, you probably will only be able to find 1 player who really sticks out of the discussion, and that's BC. If you agree that the town isn't going anywhere, the question should be why. BC has steered the course of the discussion for the most part of this day, despite only having around 5% of the total game posts. While I have no problem with someone having this few amount of posts, an examination of BC's posts shows that he has created more ? He creates a discussion which blows up disproportionately to its significance in the game. In all seriousness, please it would be nice to know which of you is posting. At any rate, you have given what kind of direction with your 3 posts before this one where you claim to have been giving direction? You are representing yourself falsely. Something someone on the mafia team would do. You have also gotten a lot of support without posting damn near anything. I think your highly probable mafia. Starts calling out and trying to discredit protact. Show nested quote +On January 17 2012 03:03 ~OpZ~ wrote:On January 17 2012 02:20 Jayjay54 wrote:Hey guys, I’m back from work, so I have time to figure stuff out. First of all, GG to all the dead. May they rest in peace! WP everyone. I try to focus on the NKs, we may get information why they were shot. I’ll compare them by listing People they opposed and things they supported, mostly with quotes. May contain traces of WIFOM. I want to start with the not so sure shot people. You'll see why. LanaiaOn January 16 2012 14:10 Bill Murray wrote:
I am pretty sure I saved Lanaia from being killed last night People she opposed:Well, pretty much none (talking about before the day 2 start, she gave a pretty neutral list today). A little post against palmar, a little post about L, but quickly withdraw. Things she supported:Well, uhm. Yeah. Vote was on BC Sooo Lanaia? What? Why? She was a total Null read to nearly everybody. Some people even called her scum. Includiiing: On January 15 2012 21:52 Bill Murray wrote:
Lynch, Lynch, Lynch!:
Lanaia
Mafia a) Why the fuck would BM jail Lanaia? Because he thought she has a role? Lanaia was even confused herself. On January 16 2012 14:16 Lanaia wrote:
Bill, if that were the case, would I have been notified of being killed?
But yeah, I can confirm he did target me.
However, I have no idea why. May I ask why? This makes 0 sense to me. Care to explain BM? b) How does BM know that he saved her? Does he get notified? And why would he want that if he thinks shes scum? And why on earth would the mafia use a pretty NK to kill a pretty neutral person who even was a lynch candidate to some? Please enlighten us BM. => Don’t know what to make out of it. But I don’t believe whatsoever that the mafia used a NK on her. Which is why: Could Lanaia be mafia? You ever consider that? I have...Not just the long post today were neutral. Almost every post. But I'll be pointing that out later, I gotta do some things real quick. Up until this post he’s never mentioned Lanaia and look at how he does so, he calls her out for neutral posts… lol. He says he’ll point all the stuff out later… I’ll wait for later to see what he has to say. Show nested quote +On January 17 2012 08:01 ~OpZ~ wrote:On January 17 2012 07:57 Meapak_Ziphh wrote:
@schworz, there are currently three serious candidates being discussed, protact, sandroba, and GGQ. That's a fine number of candiates for me. I want to lynch Lanaia. Every post is wishywashy, and that big post with probably 30 people on it was a huge attempt to appear to be doing something. Just doesn't feel right. Well that’s his reason, he’s either not putting effort or he doesn’t believe his own case. It’s also ironic since he calls her out for the exact same thing he himself did. This just seems like an effort to split town votes more, especially since he never comes back to her. Show nested quote +On January 17 2012 08:17 ~OpZ~ wrote:On January 17 2012 08:04 Toadesstern wrote:On January 17 2012 08:01 ~OpZ~ wrote:On January 17 2012 07:57 Meapak_Ziphh wrote:
@schworz, there are currently three serious candidates being discussed, protact, sandroba, and GGQ. That's a fine number of candiates for me. I want to lynch Lanaia. Every post is wishywashy, and that big post with probably 30 people on it was a huge attempt to appear to be doing something. Just doesn't feel right. she is that wishy washy as town. I don't think she's mafia at all unless she does that on purpose to look like her town play. I'd say the first one is more likly. I've never played with her, and regardless of it, I said I feel off. I'm trusting my gut on this one. She is mafia. Protact is suspected strongly mafia to me and should be to everyone else, plus annoying as heck, example: They've been asked repeatedly, by multiple people, to post which one of them are posting. It's not hard or difficult to comply with that, and seems reasonable I believe. Also, THEY gained a random ass following, claimed to have had given Day one direction, when they had all of 4 posts when they claimed to have given direction to the day. Seriously. That's a load of horse manure. I don't trust protact, at all even if he pointed out ciryandor. He wasn't the first to call him out and even changed his target to BC afterwards. I won't sheep after his wishes. More discrediting of protact. Here’s my feeling with people who call out protact, it’s fine, to be suspicious on day one when protact’s reads haven’t been shown to be correct, however at this point protact has been right about one mafia and a lot of people in the thread believe he’s on track to a second. Hindsight shows that protact is subsequently right about two more mafia and this begs the question, why is opz so certain protact is mafia? Unless you believe he was bussing, he’s already scored one kill, the worst you should be is mildly suspicious at this point. Also his reasoning is stupid. Basically it boils down to them not signing their posts and having a “random ass following.” News flash, it’s normal for people to listen to players who correctly call out scum. Show nested quote +On January 17 2012 10:02 ~OpZ~ wrote:
Protactinum, Incognito/Mystlord, again, for the umpteenth time, many in the thread, myself, Lanaia, BC, and I'm sure others, have asked you to head your posts with the person posting. More random calling out of protact simply because they don’t head their posts. This doesn’t make protact mafia lol. Show nested quote +On January 18 2012 09:49 ~OpZ~ wrote:On January 18 2012 09:06 Liquid`Sheth wrote:We have a few hours left till lynch and the majority is definitely on Macpo for now. I'm fine with this as I still think theres a good chance hes red . At the start of the day remember that Meapak brought up that we want to keep the candidate pool small. He provided Sandroba / Protactinium / GGQ as our "primary targets". I then added Macpo to that list thanks to primarily my re-read and thoughts on Protactiniums post that Macpo is red . As this day has went on, the two lurkers here GGQ + Macpo haven't posted much and this has led people to worry that perhaps they are just lynching a lurker and the lack of opposition to it makes them think that it will be a town flip. However I would like to point out that it would be practically impossible to "defend" macpo or GGQ based on their posts so far, so it makes sense that no one has went out in his defense solidly yet. I still believe our logic for lynching him is good and would like to get a red out of this lynch. If you haven't voted for a double lynch tomorrow please do. On to someone else who I really feel is red. I feel like we have lots of good candidates from this post here : + Show Spoiler +On January 17 2012 13:28 Foolishness wrote:READ CAREFULLY! DON'T LOSE THIS POST! REPOST MANY TIMESI am making this post as a way of compiling the thoughts of the few people in this game who are making sense and posting good analysis. A lot of it will be my own thoughts, but it's heavily based on a few people (should be obvious) who are the most transparent and the most obvious townies. 9 Mafia remaining. Here's the preliminary suspects: Macpo, GGQ, L. These are the people I feel we have the best case for and most of the transparent people in the thread seem to agree about these 3. Personally I think GGQ is town and we should avoid lynching him for now. Protact already gave viable reasons why Macpo is better than GGQ today, and I feel there is little to argue there. sandroba pointed out how L is acting like in Ver's game, and I couldn't agree more. We also have Incog's analysis against L. Secondary suspects: Bill Murray, chaosquo, evantrees. These 3 people have garnered attention from a few people but not from everyone, so they are listed as secondary candidates. I am of the belief that all 3 of these people are mafia. evantrees is already mentioned by Incog. I think Cyber_Cheese highlighted a good summary of chaosquo here. Most of it is similar arguments to Macpo. Bill Murray as red? I think so. Others have cast suspicion but there's not been a full analysis anywhere. A few people have commented that the election "feels" weird in some way, and I definitely sympathize. The votes for Bill Murray come across as the most suspicious: lots of random votes there. Personally I was surprised he even got into office (remember I was out all day so I saw the results without reading the previous 20 pages). I do realize I may have initially pushed him into candidacy, but I shall take responsibility for that and see to it that he's lynched in the near future. But to be simple: Bill Murray posted a lot, and got into office. Since then he's been pretty passive at the helm (so has BC I realize). That's good enough reason to warrant a ton of suspicion, as he should be actively scumhunting and posting without fear at this point. Remaining mafia candidates: Jackal, Opz, kingjames, zeks. Incog has an analysis against Jackal as we know. I am not on board with him being mafia yet. Traditionally when he is mafia he posts paragraphs, and not one-liners. However he warrants suspicion for having an apathetic attitude. Opz is someone who I believe Sheth was the first to cast doubt on, and I must say Sheth is definitely onto something. I know of the past Opz as a town player who is aggressive, not afraid to call people out on their bullshit. That's something we aren't seeing much of this game. He's posted a few of his own thoughts, but there is a clear lack of effort. Bored townie who is facepalming at having to read 100 pages? Possibly. Mafia hiding in the shadows? Fits better. kingjames is called out on by Incog, and there's further analysis by BC. His last sentence is the perfect sum to kingjames: "The key thing to note is that in contrast to his town play where he is outgoing and analytical, his posts in this game are very subdued, seem artificial and feel overly planned." kingjames has yet to do anything to contradict this. zeks I felt strongly about yesterday, he made a bad post which is nothing like his normal outspoken attitude (though it's been a while since he's played I think). He has since asked for a replacement and hasn't posted, but should still be looked at in the future. Meapak_Ziphh is someone I would like to throw out there as a candidate (which shouldn't be a surprise from the few of my recent posts). What has Meapak done this game? Tried to get GGQ lynched, and unfortunately that's about all he's tried to do. There is a very aggressive push from him to kill this guy, which I find a little suspicious and slightly out of character.
Mafia: Macpo, GGQ, L, Bill Murray, chaosquo, evantrees, Opz, Kingjames, Meapak_Ziphh. Substitute a few off candidates and I think we've found our 9: Jackal, BrownBear, zeks, Munk-E, other random inactive player goes here. DONT LOSE THIS POST ITS SO IMPORTANT!Writing all that I think the usefulness of this post is immediately made clear. The most prominent townies and the ones doing the analysis are all right on most of their reads. It's just each person has found 2-3 mafia on their own, and most of the time they are all different. Pooling this information together I realize it's hard to call anyone and their analysis wrong, as when you analyze the big picture everything fits together. Anyone in their right mind would look at this game and think "wow this atmosphere is perfect for the mafia". Ver once told me that lots of times it's easier to find the mafia when the town atmosphere sucks because they will not be the ones causing chaos and disruption. Instead they will be sitting on the sidelines enjoying the show while the townies flail around. Look at all the names I've listed above. Everyone (yes everyone on that list) is guilty of apathy and does not have the interests of the town in mind. They are not thinking long term, or analyzing the big picture. They aren't playing the game, they are watching. MacpoMany others have said so, and though I may be biased, I still think it's best we lynch him today. I believe his case is still by far the strongest we have at the moment, especially since he has responded to his threats (with even more reason to kill him). At the time of writing GGQ has yet to say anything. We kill him (Macpo) today and spend the night figuring out who has the next best case. In the meantime, I'm going to be looking for connections between the above players to see if anyone can be ruled out or automatically included. IF YOU HAVE FINISHED READING AND YOU ARE A COMPETENT TOWN PLAYER PLEASE READ AGAINAlso, after sifting through this information, I feel we have a strong enough lead to start killing like there's no tomorrow. ##Vote: double lynch I'd like to add my case against OpZ here as well. His first post is as follows : + Show Spoiler +On January 13 2012 15:29 ~OpZ~ wrote:Show nested quote +On January 13 2012 15:17 Mr. Wiggles wrote:On January 13 2012 14:56 Protactinium wrote:On January 13 2012 14:26 Ciryandor wrote:
/confirm
LOL I won't vote for Kitaman after XLVIII's disaster. He was an absolute derp in that. Waiting for people to put in a serious campaign with a decent policy. This is why I'm waiting for Mr. Wiggles and Cyber_Cheese to provide us with good reasons; and right now, Wiggles has the best campaign of the lot.
I of course wonder if Sandroba or Palmar will try to get to the elections again. I'm running for mayor on the platform of lynching Ciryandor. There's no way you seriously think Mr. Wiggles has the best campaign. My campaign is to not make a campaign post, because they're all the same (except for foolishness' so far), and they're all useless. Generic Mayoral Campagin I think I am the best candidate to be voted into office, these are my credentials: - I am Town
- I promise to be active
- I always do bad as scum, so even if I'm scum you can catch me (Optional: Link or reference past games)
- I promise to lynch someone scummy (Or a lurker, or another mayoral candidate, or Kavdragon)
- I am the best townie who ever towned
- I like kittens and ponies, and everything innocent and pure
VOTE FOR ME!!!!!I think this adequately describes nearly every mayoral post we will see in this game. So, Foolishness, why do you think that Bill Murray is easier to read than any other player in the game? What games has he played, where he's shown his worth as a townie? I've only played with him twice, and they weren't exactly demonstrative of awesome play, but I don't think he was trying that hard. IIRC, Foolishness is one of the few people that actually....supports BM? Besides myself of course. And when you know BM...You just know BM...He's not that difficult of a read. (for Wiggs and Kita) I just think its rather funny Foolishness is pushing for someone else to be mayor, when he himself dies like almost every Day one. I would rather just vote for Foolishness to be completely honest, but Kitaman as of right now is who I'm thinking of. Past games I've played with him we was pretty damned good, and he's actually wanting the position. Are you planning on be really active Foolishness? Also, I probably need to go to fucking bed, 1:30EST and I work at 7...-_- Right off the bat he wants to support BM because he is "easy to read" and has however posted no content on this matter afterwards. He then suggests that Kita and Wiggles can read him. (Kita + Wiggles were both shot at last night). Interesting so far... His second post : + Show Spoiler +
The Mason this game is more just about whispering it looks like. It really isn't that strong in the game. They can't create circles or nothing. They can disseminate roles privately I suppose but the threat is always there that the mason is mafia. As you yourself might be BC. I don't really see too much power in the role as of the moment. Especially if you play the game as such as to ignore pms.
Starts off by saying that Mason is a weak roll. And that people should be worried the mason is mafia (after BC claimed). And then suggests ignoring PM's as an idea. Mason however isn't a weak roll at all. Thirdly and weirdly : + Show Spoiler +On January 14 2012 06:02 ~OpZ~ wrote:
I'm still wondering the proper benefits to the mass mason claim. I'm neutral as again, the role seems rather bland for the town this game. Being a mason doesn't confirm you. I'd like to know the general town consensus.
So far I see Sandroba screaming for mass mason claim. Which I suppose all of the whisperers being public knowledge would be a good thing. But I don't wanna feel like sheep. I suppose theres no way around it though, or that its really important. I'm Mason #2. And I mason'd BC. But he won't talk to me. *cries*
Doesn't know about mass mason claim suggests the roll is bland, which I can understand. Doesn't want to feel like sheep. However eventually says that he is Mason #2 and that BC won't talk to him. Nothing honestly too weird here. 4th Post : + Show Spoiler +Bill, I don't really think Sandroba is scum because he called for a mason mass claim. So did BC in a round-a-bout way. I personally don't view the role with much power, so I don't know. I've been trying all day to think of a way to make it useful, but seriously, just ignoring pms this game seems the most highly logical play I could think of. I mean, I'm still gonna try and pm you. <3 Ya Buddddddddy.  Welcome back. Wants to ignore PMS again. Its not highly logical at all, its actually the opposite. It removes all logic. However after this he says that hes still going to PM Bill. Really contradictory about the Mason roll. He then flip flops entirely within 2 posts : First he says On January 14 2012 15:41 ~OpZ~ wrote:
As for Palmar, I'll admit I'm seeing a difference, but I've seen this same argument against Palmar a few times. Everyone seems to attack him if he doesn't do his usual posting for mayor or what not. I'd rather he contribute more than what he has. As of right now I find him a very viable lynch candidate.
Then : I suppose anytime is a good time, just I don't think using a mayor lynch to lynch a power player like him is a smart move. Thats really what I meant by not a good time to go after him.
Claiming not to trust him is the truest thing I've ever said, and I say it every game. I don't like following people just because they say thats the best way. I'm not gonna be sheeped around.
And I just asked you about Protact because I was asking somebody elses opinion about it also. I just wanted some discussion on a player
So he at first suggests lynching Palmar then doesn't want to go after him because he is a "power player" if I'm correct in understanding this. Also HERE IS A HUGE MISTAKE. When he says that he just asked about Protact because "I just wanted some discussion on a player". Why would you say this? You don't want just discussion on a player. You want to find out what the player and the poster thinks in depth and why. You were so against Protact and then say this its horrible. You just want their opinion and discussion... you should want to know if they are Mafia or not. Next post : Completely unhelpful to town players : On January 14 2012 16:17 ~OpZ~ wrote:On January 14 2012 16:12 Scamp wrote:On January 14 2012 16:08 Mattchew wrote:
foolishness would have stuck with only bill murray had I not mason'd him. Now he pushes for me and bill because to him I am safe. With this post, you will not be getting my vote, unless you post something of substance really, really soon. Could not of said it better myself. But now that he mentions it, where the hell is BM? I'm not sold that any of the mayor candidate have a proper direction right now, and for all declaring they'd be active, they seem to be lacking. He is VERY sure Mattchew is blue : On January 15 2012 07:23 ~OpZ~ wrote:
I'm changing my vote to mattchew for reasons that I find completely obvious. Everyone else should also. However at this point there was no reason to think he was blue, at least no real reason any better then to think BC or even Opz is blue. All he had done was claim Mason. Its somewhat a good point for you that you wanted to vote for him, however at this point it was not completely obvious. THEN EVEN THOUGH HE IS VERY SURE ABOUT MATTCHEW; He changes his vote to L!!!! On January 15 2012 08:22 ~OpZ~ wrote:
I like L's direction his post carries. They like all the extraneous drama that everyone elses had. He's also a notable scum hunter, and very successful at it. I think I'm leaving my vote for him on him actually. No reason for this!! Only reason would be because he knows Mattchew is blue, so he just wanted to post that he thought he wasn't guilty and then to possibly go on to someone that is mafia. (Good chance L is mafia if OpZ flips red or at least slightly better chance) Going to post this now, because I don't want it to get too long. The rest of his posts are calling out Lanaia for being scum. When pressured why he thinks this by me he suggests that hes already posted the why. However he hadn't. He then posts the why which basically is "shes not posting much interesting information". Its not because she looks scummy or has acted scummy, its simply because shes not posting much to help town. Which may seem like a good reason, but I really feel its not that great. This is his complete evidence for why Lanaia is mafia : + Show Spoiler +Oh, I'm sorry. Must I dredge up all the evidence of why I feel that way. http://www.teamliquid.net/forum/viewmessage.php?topic_id=253716¤tpage=64#1267"I really liked L up until he asked about the vig shot. However, he's redeemed himself since in my eyes. I like his posting style." L even asked her, how did he redeem himself? Because he hadn't done shit since then. Then she says "If three people hadn't just switched to WBG all at once, I would have voted him. It just feels kinda weird. I mean, I know it's not the end of the cycle and it won't push him into the win (iirc), but... " and just leaves it at that. Fine. Okay. The obvious reason is, despite claiming to want to, she's too concerned with looking suspicious to follow what she claims to want to do. Almost all of her posts consist of this as a premise. Being concerned about looking suspicious and voicing this concern. No real meat. When asked to point out people she would lynch today? She picks two people I'd consider lurkers. Two people least likely to defend themselves. Although the posts as of late, have been more town related, I'm still highly suspect, and would get behind a lynch. So, if I do happen to die this night, I'd like this case to be top priority for tomorrow and I'm bringing it up early as I think he is red . ~OpZ~ the Mafia most awful, and utter bull shit. Mattchew was modkilled for by the time I posted that, that which I had not known. WHY I WAS CERTAIN, was because of why he was modkilled. You could see his pms were only from Foolishness as opposed to if he was mafia, he would ALMOST CERTAINLY have atleast a pm from another person. "Right off the bat he wants to support BM because he is "easy to read" and has however posted no content on this matter afterwards. He then suggests that Kita and Wiggles can read him. (Kita + Wiggles were both shot at last night). Interesting so far..." What did you do? Just click my filter and read my posts out of context?The portion was dedicated to Kita and Wiggles, FOR AS TO WHY I would say Foolishness would push BM as a candidate, not with regards to Kita and Wiggles reading BM. Has Wiggles even played a game with BM, (or am I confusing him with Meapak)? Masons are terribly weak in this game in my opinion BESIDES in mafia hands. Sure, I can bounce ideas off one person in PM, OR I CAN BOUNCE THEM OFF THE ENTIRE THREAD. I believe this is something me and BC were in agreement about. Then you point out me asking you about protact?! Holy fucking shit son. I haven't been the harbinger of Protact is mafia or anything this game. Oh no. I asked Scamp, WHO HAS BEEN MIGHTY QUIET, about Protact changing from Ciryandor to wanting to lynch BC, WHO I HAD the strongest town read on. Get this trash out of my face you protact following scum. I've done pointed out you buddying him once. The portion about voting L instead of Mattchew, because I knew he was blue? MATTCHEW WAS DEAD, by the point. Jesus fucking christ. Learn to build a case proper. You mad cuz I pointed you out for buddying your scum buddy protact? So lets note, everything you have as a case against me is: A) wrong B) out of context C) a lie While me pointing you out for voting for protact for no reason still stands, with the amazing defense of, "You didn't point anyone else out for voting for protact!!" On January 14 2012 07:23 Liquid`Sheth wrote:On January 14 2012 07:10 ~OpZ~ wrote:On January 14 2012 07:01 Liquid`Sheth wrote:On January 14 2012 06:44 ~OpZ~ wrote:Sheth....For real? That is your reason for voting for someones who already stated that their activity will be waning? Would all it take to get you to change to BC or Sandroba be a declaration of lynching Ciry or is it just because he has already chosen his lynch target? Bill, I don't really think Sandroba is scum because he called for a mason mass claim. So did BC in a round-a-bout way. I personally don't view the role with much power, so I don't know. I've been trying all day to think of a way to make it useful, but seriously, just ignoring pms this game seems the most highly logical play I could think of. I mean, I'm still gonna try and pm you. <3 Ya Buddddddddy. Welcome back. They haven't stated their activity will be waning. No just switching to lynching Cir wouldn't cause me to switch my vote. That was stated prior to the game start. I'm just curious as to your reasons for voting for them and the only reason I find is he is willing to lynch ciry. You didn't really say as to why and I found that scummy, so I guess it begs the question, why are you voting for protact? You find a small point of my post, and call it scummy. You haven't complained about anyone else's votes and yet you consider that scummy. I wasn't even the first person to put my vote on him, but once its possibly gaining steam you point out that what I'm doing is scummy. You've also claimed to be our second Mason for those who missed it, as I didn't realize it until I read your filter. In this post: He makes no mention of his reason for voting Protactinum, blatantly ignoring my question. So I wanna take all these posts together as one. This is why I brought up sheth earlier. This is his big case, this is his was his push when he was alive. Analyzing and calling out opz. He actually doesn’t have half bad of a case, I won’t rehash it, it’s all in the spoilers. However it’s not Sheth’s case that is the big deal here, it’s opz’s reaction. All the neutrality and careful posting have flown away in the sudden face of raw fear of being lynched. It’s actually very strange how agitated and aggressive opz becomes when sheth calls him out. He pulls out the bold, all caps, and swear words, going waaaay over board. If you’re innocent, you know it and you can approach someone’s claims with rational thought because deep down you KNOW you’re town. Scum don’t have that luxury, when they get called out they have nowhere to run because they know the accusations are correct. I know this fear, I felt it in PYP:I, it makes you wanna either lurk or just go balls to the walls berserk on the person who called you out because there’s nothing you can do to stop them from being right. Opz’s change of tone in this post is hugely scummy before we even get to it’s content. But that said, let’s take a peek at the content. His first part about mattchew is incoherent at best, it seems like he’s saying he’s voting for mattchew because he flipped when he was modkilled :/. He emphasizes the weakness of masons, which is funny considering that he’s supposed to be a mason. He claims he hasn’t been the harbinger of mafia against protact which is pretty funny considering when you read his filter (as he suggests you do), there are certainly a lot of posts dedicated to protact. He ends his defense with some fairly nasty attacks of sheth for no reason, personally insulting him and then OMGUSing as well. Quite frankly I find this post to be worthy of a lynch in of itself, there is nothing townie about this defense, instead it’s about opz screaming “you’re wrong and you’re bad” in all caps and in bold. When this is added to his earlier behavior the case becomes more solid, and that isn’t even the icing on the cake. Guess who died last night? The one and only Liquid’Sheth. Why did sheth, a relatively new player and someone who hasn’t proved themselves as a stone cold scum killer warrant a hit? A look through his filter provides the answer. His life was almost completely dedicated to lynching GGQ. Sheth has done this before. In responsibility he correctly nailed the final scum and was then shot at night. So I ask to consider all of this. Opz’s posts before being called out by sheth, his terrible post defending himself, and sheth’s subsequent death. Opz is mafia. @BC since you apparently harbor suspcions of me please post them so we can deal with it. My first vote will stay on GGQ, I'll decide my second by tomorrow afternoon.
On January 20 2012 15:04 Meapak_Ziphh wrote:Show nested quote +On January 20 2012 14:47 Nisani201 wrote:On January 20 2012 14:40 Meapak_Ziphh wrote:On January 20 2012 14:29 Nisani201 wrote:
Meapak, your case against Opz is not very good. You are basically calling him scum for being wrong (about Protact), while throwing in some mafia kill WIFOM. I guess you didn't read it then lol. If you had you'd know those are two supporting tenets not the main idea. OK then fine, you're calling him out for being consistent and pressuring against Protact... Chainsaw much? LOL wow you still didn't read it (or you fail at reading comprehension). He pressures protact when it's fairly obvious protact was town (scummy) and then when sheth calls him out on it he completely backtracks and claims he wasn't a big force against protact (ridiculous contradiction which looks extremely scummy). Please, if you're going to comment at least understand what's going on.
Meapak, Please follow your own advice.
Excuse me? I claim I wasn't a big force against protract, I called myself the Harbinger of Protract is Mafia....I think that's like me calling myself the guy screaming "HE IS MAFIA" or did you miss that?...Oh I get it, Sarcasm didn't translate well...I thought the "Oh No" gave it away. Or the extra examples of me asking other players about him. Or everyone else that understood it was sarcastic. My bad he was fucking DT, but he was UNCOOPERATIVE, bothersome, and unwilling to agree. Not to mention his immediate following *note*before ever having popped a single mafia, and his claiming to provide direction in the thread when in reality, he hadn't done anything at that point. Sorry- I don't sheep.
Followed by two more posts of defending/soft defending sandroba....See the theme here guys?
I think I'm done here.
Meapak is Scum.
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