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Don't have time tonight to make a full post on Foolishness; mainly posts like this seem really made of troll. I feel that his posts are only increasing disorder in town. Will post more tomorrow.
Meapak is my favorite candidate atm; posts decent reasoning on all of the other candidates, as well as a running mate. Presents good reason why "middling" town players are not as good for mayor. First post is motivating/pressuring a couple pretty well.
Candidates who need to post more or make better case IMO:
risk.nuke - one post
sandroba - one post
CC - I don't trust him
BM - isn't really saying why he should be mayor/what would he do, other than the fact that he has a scumtell and a towntell.
50+% of people haven't posted yet, let's get ball rolling 
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/confirm
Welp. Not sure if Zona will let me play this and Purgatory at the same time, so I might get replaced early.
My first thoughts are that I want to vote BC/Meapak, since they seem to be making the most sense right now.
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Echelon, Foolishness already made a post for me
I was definitely going to be typing a wall based upon my intent to scumhunt
would you rather trust it with Meapak? I mean, he attacks my ability to scumhunt, and he hasn't ever played with me, or seen me play in a non-PM game.
Speaking of Meapak, I am really getting a village idiot vibe from him. His criticism of Nissani has me wondering if he is a VI or if he is scum trying to push an easy lynch. Nissani's complaining about the mayoral candidates is actually my strongest towntell from the thread so far. I'm also like Adam. Recently, I've been vibing Cyber_Cheese as town. I like his attacking Mr.Wiggles for setup speculation.
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How is meapak criticizing Nissani, an easy lynch, a characteristic of a VI? This is an honest question because I just don't see it.
Regardless, I don't think there are any 3rd party roles. Yeah, there aren't, I checked.
I actually agree with your assessment on Nissani... I don't think it's a super strong town tell, but yah.
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If you're reading it the same way as I am, and Meapak isn't understanding it, he's either scum or dumb
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the one thing we need to find out is whether or not nissani is the type of guy to fake something like that
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On January 13 2012 19:28 Bill Murray wrote:
Speaking of Meapak, I am really getting a village idiot vibe from him. His criticism of Nissani has me wondering if he is a VI or if he is scum trying to push an easy lynch. Nissani's complaining about the mayoral candidates is actually my strongest towntell from the thread so far. I'm also like Adam. Recently, I've been vibing Cyber_Cheese as town. I like his attacking Mr.Wiggles for setup speculation.
On January 13 2012 05:38 flamewheel wrote:Show nested quote +On January 13 2012 05:00 Nisani201 wrote:
Are there 3rd party roles in this game? No. There are 50. Role PMs will be sent out tonight, game will start tomorrow.
Unless I'm mistaken, he can't be Village Idiot. So let's stop this discussion now before it spirals out of control.
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Ok, disregard what I said about the third party nonsense, mistook VI for a Jester. Still wondering though, about how meapak looks like a VI.
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This hasn't been mentioned yet and I think it deserves to be:
[B]On August 12 2011 06:20 flamewheel wrote:
Bodyguard
You protect the elected roles. After the election concludes, two Bodyguards are randomly chosen from amongst the pool of Townies. Before Townies are randomly selected as bodyguards though, Mafia may elect to substitute any of their members in for Bodyguards. That means there may be 0, 1, or 2 Mafia acting as Bodyguards instead of townspeople. The town will not know who is selected as bodyguards, but the elected roles will. As long as you (the bodyguards) remain alive, elected roles cannot be killed during the night. However, Mafia bodyguards do not protect town-aligned elected roles! This means that if there are no town-aligned bodyguards left, town-aligned elected roles are in danger of death during the night phase. Town-aligned bodyguards chosen from the pool of Townies will show up as Bodyguards to role checks, and Mafia-aligned bodyguards will show up as Bodyguards regardless of any other powers they might possess.
Electing our best scum hunters so they can use the bodyguards as shields is just inviting the scum to wipe out both of our elected officials after they replace our bodyguards with their own. If they kill both officials on night 1, we'll never know who the scummy bodyguards were and we'll be down 2 of our best scum hunters and both of our elected roles.
Id prefer if our best scum hunters didn't run for election, and left their protection in the hands of the sheriff/medic.
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i know there isn't a fool in this game
Adam, they get a list of who the BGs end up being, that would be giving a 1 for 1 trade, or 1 for 2 at best
we can take that all day long
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The officials do, sure. But if they're dead, how will they tell us who the bodyguards were that failed to protect them?
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On January 13 2012 19:18 wherebugsgo wrote:Show nested quote +On January 13 2012 18:34 Palmar wrote:
I have no intentions of running for mayor or caring much about the mayor elections. I'm probably going to be voting VisceraEyes, depending on how dumb he will be through the day. lynch Palmar for this please
lynch WBG for this please.
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On January 13 2012 19:41 Adam4167 wrote:This hasn't been mentioned yet and I think it deserves to be: Show nested quote +[B]On August 12 2011 06:20 flamewheel wrote:
Bodyguard
You protect the elected roles. After the election concludes, two Bodyguards are randomly chosen from amongst the pool of Townies. Before Townies are randomly selected as bodyguards though, Mafia may elect to substitute any of their members in for Bodyguards. That means there may be 0, 1, or 2 Mafia acting as Bodyguards instead of townspeople. The town will not know who is selected as bodyguards, but the elected roles will. As long as you (the bodyguards) remain alive, elected roles cannot be killed during the night. However, Mafia bodyguards do not protect town-aligned elected roles! This means that if there are no town-aligned bodyguards left, town-aligned elected roles are in danger of death during the night phase. Town-aligned bodyguards chosen from the pool of Townies will show up as Bodyguards to role checks, and Mafia-aligned bodyguards will show up as Bodyguards regardless of any other powers they might possess.
Electing our best scum hunters so they can use the bodyguards as shields is just inviting the scum to wipe out both of our elected officials after they replace our bodyguards with their own. If they kill both officials on night 1, we'll never know who the scummy bodyguards were and we'll be down 2 of our best scum hunters and both of our elected roles. Id prefer if our best scum hunters didn't run for election, and left their protection in the hands of the sheriff/medic.
There are ways around this. Remember the elected roles know who the bodyguards are. If one is killed at night and one of them survives, we'll know who 2 of the mafia are.
As long as everyone is on the ball and put some thought into their play, we'll come out on top.
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On January 13 2012 19:34 EchelonTee wrote:
How is meapak criticizing Nissani, an easy lynch, a characteristic of a VI? This is an honest question because I just don't see it.
Regardless, I don't think there are any 3rd party roles. Yeah, there aren't, I checked.
I actually agree with your assessment on Nissani... I don't think it's a super strong town tell, but yah.
I dont understand how a random one line criticism of all candidates followed by a one liner explanation is a good town tell.
On January 13 2012 19:44 Adam4167 wrote:
The officials do, sure. But if they're dead, how will they tell us who the bodyguards were that failed to protect them?
I still think it's a big risk to use mafia as bodyguards. If the elected are protted and still get shot at and survives, we know the bodyguards are mafia. So this rule just forces the medics to prot the elected roles.
is it possible to add the filter of the players to the player list, akin to link?
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adam, you might be right after all
i forgot this was a no PM game
we should make the BGs public knowledge, and let the medic WIFOM
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On January 13 2012 19:50 Chaosquo wrote:Show nested quote +On January 13 2012 19:34 EchelonTee wrote:
How is meapak criticizing Nissani, an easy lynch, a characteristic of a VI? This is an honest question because I just don't see it.
Regardless, I don't think there are any 3rd party roles. Yeah, there aren't, I checked.
I actually agree with your assessment on Nissani... I don't think it's a super strong town tell, but yah. I dont understand how a random one line criticism of all candidates followed by a one liner explanation is a good town tell. Show nested quote +On January 13 2012 19:44 Adam4167 wrote:
The officials do, sure. But if they're dead, how will they tell us who the bodyguards were that failed to protect them? I still think it's a big risk to use mafia as bodyguards. If the elected are protted and still get shot at and survives, we know the bodyguards are mafia. So this rule just forces the medics to prot the elected roles. is it possible to add the filter of the players to the player list, akin to link?
it's not a good towntell if he knows how to fake that
it is reading for me as "too scummy to be scum"
does anyone have meta on nissani?
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On January 13 2012 19:41 Adam4167 wrote:This hasn't been mentioned yet and I think it deserves to be: Show nested quote +On August 12 2011 06:20 flamewheel wrote:
Bodyguard
You protect the elected roles. After the election concludes, two Bodyguards are randomly chosen from amongst the pool of Townies. Before Townies are randomly selected as bodyguards though, Mafia may elect to substitute any of their members in for Bodyguards. That means there may be 0, 1, or 2 Mafia acting as Bodyguards instead of townspeople. The town will not know who is selected as bodyguards, but the elected roles will. As long as you (the bodyguards) remain alive, elected roles cannot be killed during the night. However, Mafia bodyguards do not protect town-aligned elected roles! This means that if there are no town-aligned bodyguards left, town-aligned elected roles are in danger of death during the night phase. Town-aligned bodyguards chosen from the pool of Townies will show up as Bodyguards to role checks, and Mafia-aligned bodyguards will show up as Bodyguards regardless of any other powers they might possess.
Electing our best scum hunters so they can use the bodyguards as shields is just inviting the scum to wipe out both of our elected officials after they replace our bodyguards with their own. If they kill both officials on night 1, we'll never know who the scummy bodyguards were and we'll be down 2 of our best scum hunters and both of our elected roles. Id prefer if our best scum hunters didn't run for election, and left their protection in the hands of the sheriff/medic.
Hmm... I think provisions can be made against a bodyguard coup like that; I'll refrain from theorycrafting too much, but remember that the elected roles know who are elected as bodyguard.
There are enough good scumhunters in this game (presumably) that having some in the powerful/relatively protected positions is a good thing. Saying that they might be shot doesn't really matter when if not mayor/sheriff they also can easily be shot.
When killed, do Bodyguards flip as Bodyguard(red or blue), or just Townie/Mafia Role?
Sleeping, see you guys later.
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On January 13 2012 19:46 Erandorr wrote:Show nested quote +On January 13 2012 19:18 wherebugsgo wrote:On January 13 2012 18:34 Palmar wrote:
I have no intentions of running for mayor or caring much about the mayor elections. I'm probably going to be voting VisceraEyes, depending on how dumb he will be through the day. lynch Palmar for this please lynch WBG for this please.
alright, need to sleep after this.
However, minimal reasoning follows:
in every game I've ever played with Palmar that has a mayoral election, he has cared greatly about it. He has run for office. He has run strongly. The exception is PYP:I, where he was just smurfing (so that's understandable) but he still cared who got elected.
In this game, he's doing his standard scum shit. I.E. being bad. Kill him.
Also Erandorr if you continue to be worthless I'd probably consider killing you too.
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After some consideration, I think it might be best for the Bodyguards to be made public. The Town will fall behind quickly if the mafia take both Bodyguard roles and the elected roles are killed without divulging the names of the Bodyguards.
Here's my analysis on this:
Case 1) 2 x Town Bodyguard
As long as one of the Bodyguards is alive, our elected officials are protected. They will not require protection before the Bodyguards are killed thus freeing a Medic to do something else. If a player dedicates themselves to protecting a Bodyguard until they die, then the elected officials are protected as well.
Case 2) 1 x Town Bodyguard
If the mafia kills the Town Bodyguard then the elected officials are vulnerable. However, if the elected officials are targetted we will have learned that the other Bodyguard is mafia. Not a good trade, but at least we don't come away with nothing.
Case 3) 0 x Town Bodyguard
Here, if either of the elected officials are killed before the Bodyguards are both lynched, we'll have confirmed mafia.
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On January 13 2012 20:07 wherebugsgo wrote:Show nested quote +On January 13 2012 19:46 Erandorr wrote:On January 13 2012 19:18 wherebugsgo wrote:On January 13 2012 18:34 Palmar wrote:
I have no intentions of running for mayor or caring much about the mayor elections. I'm probably going to be voting VisceraEyes, depending on how dumb he will be through the day. lynch Palmar for this please lynch WBG for this please. alright, need to sleep after this. However, minimal reasoning follows: in every game I've ever played with Palmar that has a mayoral election, he has cared greatly about it. He has run for office. He has run strongly. The exception is PYP:I, where he was just smurfing (so that's understandable) but he still cared who got elected. In this game, he's doing his standard scum shit. I.E. being bad. Kill him. Also Erandorr if you continue to be worthless I'd probably consider killing you too.
ok I'm back and I've scrolled through the pages looking at the pictures ( :p ) and found that one post as well. I got to agree with wbg here. There's basicly two options imo.
1) Palmar is mafia and doesn't care about the thread
2) Palmar is doing another trick to get something happening.
Neither do I like option 1 nor do I like option 2 given how that turned out last game. Take into consideration I really only just scrolled through very fast and I found that strange as well. I'm only starting to catch up right now and will probably post something about it in a couple of hours.
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