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On August 08 2011 13:43 Meapak_Ziphh wrote: when will this start? This. I will be traveling most of this week, and will likely not be able to make it online at all during that time. | ||
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On August 08 2011 14:23 Incognito wrote: The game will start mid this week, whenever we finalize the mechanics and roles (not yet completed). Hmm. I'll likely be gone till Saturday at least. If this is a problem, then /out. Otherwise I'll see you guys then. | ||
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On August 09 2011 09:03 bumatlarge wrote: Do we automatically become village idiot if we get ourselves :D No, you become VI if you get Kavdragon. But it' the traditional VI where you have to get lynched Day 1. You are Kavdragon: You must try really really hard, post a ton, and get lynched, day one. If you do not get lynched day one, you must survive to the end and win, or single handedly destroy the town with several miss-lynches, capped off with your own lynch to lose the game.You must consider Ace to be without alignment every game, and try to kill Bumatlarge, regardless of alignment. (Through calling a false DT claim, shooting him with his own gun, lynching, etc.) | ||
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On August 09 2011 14:00 Mr. Wiggles wrote: Who's the leader of the "Lynch Kavdragon Party" again? Kitaman, I believe. I still have that score to settle with him. | ||
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First of all, this thread is boring. Here, let me spruce it up a bit. ![[image loading]](http://i.imgur.com/E7zi3.jpg) Now. Start talking to me people, I love talking. | ||
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Why do we feed the hungry beast that is the hatred between mafia, and town? Brothers, do you not realize that red mixed with green is brown? But alas my fate is sealed, I have seen it from afar. I'll get the rake, while sitting in a bar. But moarn not for me my friends, for this fact had freed my hands! No more hiding, no more slouching, no more shall I cowar in the fear that would take the heart of those brave souls who stand with me, united in color, united in vision, united in hearts and minds we will stand STRONG against the coming battle, ready to throw down our arms at a moments notice, so that we can pick up our arms and be ready to grab random objects indiscriminantly from our wallets and throw then at the glorious leader of this revolution! So come one, come all, join the ranks of the few and the proud, so that we may be the many and the mostly proud! Join before the hidious thing that is war topples your proud leader, so that you may follow a man, and not a martyr. For to follow a martyr is easy, for he quickly becomes legend, but to follow a man is to show your trust in his absolute reign. Never fear what evils may befall me, I'LL BE BACK. As a zombie I will direct you onward towards our glorious goal! Hmm. It seems I'll have to revise that statement. The rules seem to indicate that dead men tell not tales, and zombies unfortunatly fall through a loophole designed for megalomaniac tax dogers, and are thus considered "dead", dispite the fact that they are clearly "undead". I'll be taking this to court of course, but until then, press on my friends! Press on! ![[image loading]](http://i.imgur.com/Kcjiy.jpg) | ||
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Very well, in an attempt to make people happy, I will read you all a letter I just intercepted. I don't know who it was for, but I found that the author is someone by the name of Uncle Original Message From flamewheel: Dear Walton, I am pleased to see that your efforts to take over the town seem to be off to a swiming start. The town is caught up in their cute role-playing games, and even those who are calling them out are only role-playing themselves! Ha, this is sure to be an easy victory. First and foremost, you need to let the town do their own thing for a little while, nobody has shown up to really lead the town, and if you let them start the meham themselves, some townie will take the fall for it. So let them be, but once they start getting into the roleplaying, you MUST make sure that they continue posting only roleplay content, and nothing useful. Thankfully stage one is almost complete, and people are in shouting maches already! You will want to step in soon however, to avoid mod-kill, as that would be both a great victory for the town, and a travesty for the Mafia. I'm very interested in how this will all turn out, so don't dissapoint me. Wishing to an early townie lynch, and swift lylo for town, Flamewheel A curious message indeed I must say. I wonder who this mysterious Walton could be? Whatever his identity, I'd best be on the look out for the devious strategies Flamewheel mentioned. Who knows what dangers there may lurk beneith the surface here. | ||
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Best keep that in mind. Stay out of petty arguments. | ||
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On August 14 2011 05:08 Curu wrote: Well until something else comes up ##Vote Flamewheel Let's see what he has to say. No no, it's Walton we need to go after! We must find Walton. I'm offering a reward for who can find Walton. The person to secure his death will receive the Brown Medallion of Awesome! Why would you jump on someone so easily anyways? Very odd. | ||
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Next topic: People are ignoring Walton. We must find Walton as I think that there is more to gain from his death than just a scum's head. I realize that I have given you nothing to go by, but I have devised from the letter that he has been inactive. Those who have not posted yet are suspect. Walton is among them. To those who would accuse me of trolling. Trolling is for mafia. I may do things a little different, but every one of my posts has had a purpose. I even promised (Ver is my witness, unfortunately he's not playing) that I would keep the riddles to a bare minimum! | ||
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On August 14 2011 07:30 Kurumi wrote: nah don't worry tomorrow I will laugh how dumb those jubjubs are and how bad it was to roll town in this game Yeah it sucks, but don't take it too seriously man, It was Pandain who did it. That's not unusual for him as I see it. Plz stay in the game and help the town. If you feel like you have lost your purpose, you could always join the Brown Empire. We feel your pain. I agree, he should join the Brown Empire. He'd be very welcome here, and would be able to help the town better. It's settled then? Yes, it is. Kurumi, your invitation is official. Do you join the Empire? | ||
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I completely agree, this must be what Walton was told to encourage...We must be careful, very careful. Yes, but how are we to stop it? I mean, simply pointing it out might not work. I know! What if we were to point out the fact that the whole Kurumi/Pandain thing will sort itself out in time, and should be left alone for now. There really isn't any reason for them to keep fighting you know. Too true! Not to mention the fact that at this rate we'll be swimming in one line posts. Really. You'd think they would know better. But now, we'd better add something to the conversation so that we aren't hypocritical! Absolutely!, Let's start with the Lurkers. There are a few people who haven't posted yet, and that can't be allowed. I mean, even beyond the fact that Walton is hiding in there, anyone who is not posting is making a perfect hiding place for other mafia. Yes, I believe that this is the standard question that we usually start our discussions with. It will be interesting if people will be receptive to lynching an inactive... Oh my! I've just received a message from my source that Walton may be posting soon! We'll have to cut this short then To work! Also, see if you can't convince Kurumi to help search for him. Will do! Oh, and Kav? Yeah? Don't let Walton get away. | ||
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There are 11 people who have posted under 1 post. More than half of them haven't posted once, and the remainder has not posted anything meaningful. This constitutes more than third of our player base and is a REALLY BAD THING. We need to drop the kurumi/jackal argument if we are to make any progress at this point. We need to put pressure on the lurkers, and I don't mean your typical "Should we lynch inactives" type of pressure. I mean real nooses, real stakes, real lynches. We absolutly cannot allow that many players to get off the hook. Amongst those players are some of the best mafia players in the game. BC, Flamewheel, Fishball, RoL, and Dr.H are just a few of those that come to mind from the list I made earlier. I don't think that we should lynch people who are really good day one, but I do think that we should lynch those who are not as big a risk to lynch. (Not as much to lose by the lynch). These include Barundar, Aidnai, and Node, and perhaps one or two others. I repeat, we need to focus on the completely inactive because this is worse than I have ever seen in a game before. Barundar Aidnai Node Who's it gonna be? | ||
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On August 14 2011 10:47 kitaman27 wrote: It says there are 33 players, yet only 32 are listed on the player list. Is this just a mistake or is there a hidden player somewhere o.O On August 13 2011 16:17 Incognito wrote: BarBaPoPPa is a smurf account and cannot be targetted by any actions. His vote does not count in the actual vote tally. | ||
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[spoiler=RebirthOfLegend] 22) You are RebirthOfLegend, what do you do this game? a) "I'm the Jack and I rolechecked Ace. He's mafia." (You are actually the Village Idiot and Ace is the Godfather) Ace proceeds to resign midway through day 1 and Caller is forced to restart the game. GG no re. For those of you freaking out about Kenpachi's DT claim. | ||
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Lol, I almost put "read the thread" at the end of that. That would have been...Funnier. Oh well, sorry, missed Curu's post. | ||
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On August 14 2011 12:58 aidnai wrote: it starts already huh? bwahaha, this is amazing-- you know who you're messing with, yet you post it anyway? Ladies and gentlemen, in the interest of full disclosure, I would like to inform you all that Kavdragon is aware that I have not had internet access until now, as we just arrived home from a road trip today. Additionally, he is in the habit of seeking my opinion for mafia games, which I believe shows a certain amount of respect for my abilities. Now, whether I'm actually any good isn't the point--what is amazing to me though is that I get tossed into a bin of "not much to lose if mislynched" players. Quick recap: 1) Kavdragon puts me on a lurker list even though he knows why I haven't posted yet 2) Kavdragon downplays my skill in this game when in other games he has repeatedly asked for my advice. One to add to the list... 3) Deliberately being useless and trolling even after multiple people requested that it stop. Wanna hear an explanation for all this, since the only thing I can think of off hand is that kav is scum. Well I must admit, that was much faster than I expected. I thought it would take at least a few hours, but I guess if you are paying attention to the thread (but not posting) you can respond quickly. Right, so in case it wasn't that obvious, lynching someone who has zero posts is almost always a horrible idea because mafia will ALWAYS get one of their own to post something before the lynch. The purpose of calling on people to lynch them was to get them to talk. Those that are legitimately afk, and unable to post don't respond to pressure. Those that can, do. So the question is, why weren't you posting before, Aidnai? (And don't tell me "I've been gone on a road trip." As you yourself admitted I was with you. Yet here I am, posting. ) Anyways, this is pretty much textbook. Mafia will respond right away, and be really defensive. Nobody even so much as mentioned my post about lynching one of those three, and yet Aidnai comes with a really defensive tone. It's interesting that he brings up the fact that I ask for his advice sometimes, as evidence that he should be included in the higher bracket of players. I'm sorry, but I don't hold you in the same regard as BC or Flamewheel. I'm not talking about "just good" players. I was pretty clear that I meant really really good players. I won't lynch BC unless there is extremely convincing evidence day one. I wouldn't hold the same true for someone of my skill level though. (Unless it was in a mini with a bunch of noobs or something). Then the finishing touch on the textbook response, he accuses me of being scum. LOL. Chainsaw defense anyone? ##Vote: Aidnai | ||
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On August 14 2011 13:42 aidnai wrote: it's OMGUS not chainsaw, dumbass Also, you conveniently left out the part where YOU got home from the road trip last night, I crashed there and didn't get home till late this afternoon... for spewing bullshit nonstop this game: ##vote: kavdragon you are a disgrace to the brown empire AI told you it was OMGUS, you oaf. Well sorry, I got mixed up a bit. Here, I'll apologize if I must. Aidnai, Sorry, I got mixed up, OMGUS, not chainsaw. + Show Spoiler [response to spam] + Uh...That wasn't home? I offered you my laptop? Can we stop the pointless and unconfirmable details war? Ha! You accuse me of bs'ing through the thread? Have you even read what I've written? And you call ME a disgrace to the brown empire. You are completely undeserving of it. You are nothing of the glorious leader that started the Brown Empire. You, old fellow, seem quite set on killing me, yet you bring no evidence forward, only saying I'm BS'ing the thread. I have a reason I'm pushing for your lynch. Omgus is anti-town, and it only furthers my argument against you. Give me a reason to think you are town. I have yet to see one, and I see many reasons that make me think you are scum. | ||
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On August 14 2011 23:38 kitaman27 wrote: BC and Flamewheel, you come in here and say how awful the current state of the thread is, yet make no effort to remedy the situation. Do you guys even care about your mid-term grades? Node, DoctorHelvetica, RebirthOfLeGenD you have one confirmation post. Truancy is not to be tolerated. Kurumi, can you confirm you no longer are required to troll now that your role has been removed? If that's the case, no Recess for you. Also, since you're now vanilla, could you please claim what your original role was? I completely agree with this. Now to today's lynch: Kavdragon Earlier people asked if they thought personalities were tied to alignment. While I think this is generally not the case, there are two that most likely are: JimboSilvers, the Serial Killer, and Chezinu, the leader of the brown. Think to yourself as if you were in Ver's position and wanted to give the Chezinu personality a brown related role. Would it be town aligned, mafia aligned, or third party? Earlier when I straight out asked him if he was third party, he made no effort to deny it. A cultist makes the most sense considering the flavor of his role. The last thing we want to worry about is a recruiting role. He is trolling the thread with his Walton nonsense. He has made no attempt at contributing with the exception of the Aidnai attack. I'm not sure why so many people are so willing to ignore the player who is so likely to be third party. If we can take out an anti-town player on day one, we should take the opportunity. He also currently has the lowest report card score. Time to put him out of his misery. Not this. Third Party is Black, not Brown. Silly kita just trying to lynch Kavdragon day one again. Must I point out everything? + Show Spoiler + On August 14 2011 05:03 Kavdragon wrote: Look at the town go round and round with their spammy arguments. I'll be out of a job at this rate my old friend. Everyone is so unhappy with things, why can't we just get along? Brown isn't a third party, it's the ONLY party. Sad...Very sad. Very well, in an attempt to make people happy, I will read you all a letter I just intercepted. I don't know who it was for, but I found that the author is someone by the name of Uncle I found this letter detailing the mafia's plans and published it so that people would stop hiding behind their roleplay, and actually use it to be useful. Oh look. I lead by example too. Just because you don't understand walton, doesn't mean that it's spam or trolling. But I'm told that we've just received a letter from that source, so expect some more news on that end. On August 14 2011 07:19 Kavdragon wrote: Kurumi is being a silly fellow, saying that we are only compelled to fulfill our win conditions. It's called Personality Mafia for a reason...I think. Wait. No. Now I get it. Yes, it's for a reason! Why are you being silly Kurumi? Next topic: People are ignoring Walton. We must find Walton as I think that there is more to gain from his death than just a scum's head. I realize that I have given you nothing to go by, but I have devised from the letter that he has been inactive. Those who have not posted yet are suspect. Walton is among them. To those who would accuse me of trolling. Trolling is for mafia. I may do things a little different, but every one of my posts has had a purpose. I even promised (Ver is my witness, unfortunately he's not playing) that I would keep the riddles to a bare minimum! Point out some stuff, in voice. Give more information I received on Watson. Explain myself while fulfilling obligations. On August 14 2011 07:35 Kavdragon wrote: Yeah it sucks, but don't take it too seriously man, It was Pandain who did it. That's not unusual for him as I see it. Plz stay in the game and help the town. If you feel like you have lost your purpose, you could always join the Brown Empire. We feel your pain. I agree, he should join the Brown Empire. He'd be very welcome here, and would be able to help the town better. It's settled then? Yes, it is. Kurumi, your invitation is official. Do you join the Empire? Try to get Kurumi to stop spamming, and make him feel better so that he will try to work for the town, and not against it. On August 14 2011 08:17 Kavdragon wrote: My goodness, there's a LOT of spam. I completely agree, this must be what Walton was told to encourage...We must be careful, very careful. Yes, but how are we to stop it? I mean, simply pointing it out might not work. I know! What if we were to point out the fact that the whole Kurumi/Pandain thing will sort itself out in time, and should be left alone for now. There really isn't any reason for them to keep fighting you know. Too true! Not to mention the fact that at this rate we'll be swimming in one line posts. Really. You'd think they would know better. But now, we'd better add something to the conversation so that we aren't hypocritical! Absolutely!, Let's start with the Lurkers. There are a few people who haven't posted yet, and that can't be allowed. I mean, even beyond the fact that Walton is hiding in there, anyone who is not posting is making a perfect hiding place for other mafia. Yes, I believe that this is the standard question that we usually start our discussions with. It will be interesting if people will be receptive to lynching an inactive... Oh my! I've just received a message from my source that Walton may be posting soon! We'll have to cut this short then To work! Also, see if you can't convince Kurumi to help search for him. Will do! Oh, and Kav? Yeah? Don't let Walton get away. More commentary on how spammy things are, more information on Walton. On August 14 2011 12:30 Kavdragon wrote: CRAP. I just lost about two hours worth of a post, and I'm a little frustrated about it so I'm going to say this out of character so I don't have to type that up again: There are 11 people who have posted under 1 post. More than half of them haven't posted once, and the remainder has not posted anything meaningful. This constitutes more than third of our player base and is a REALLY BAD THING. We need to drop the kurumi/jackal argument if we are to make any progress at this point. We need to put pressure on the lurkers, and I don't mean your typical "Should we lynch inactives" type of pressure. I mean real nooses, real stakes, real lynches. We absolutly cannot allow that many players to get off the hook. Amongst those players are some of the best mafia players in the game. BC, Flamewheel, Fishball, RoL, and Dr.H are just a few of those that come to mind from the list I made earlier. I don't think that we should lynch people who are really good day one, but I do think that we should lynch those who are not as big a risk to lynch. (Not as much to lose by the lynch). These include Barundar, Aidnai, and Node, and perhaps one or two others. I repeat, we need to focus on the completely inactive because this is worse than I have ever seen in a game before. Barundar Aidnai Node Who's it gonna be? Set a trap for people who are inactive. On August 14 2011 13:18 Kavdragon wrote: Well I must admit, that was much faster than I expected. I thought it would take at least a few hours, but I guess if you are paying attention to the thread (but not posting) you can respond quickly. Right, so in case it wasn't that obvious, lynching someone who has zero posts is almost always a horrible idea because mafia will ALWAYS get one of their own to post something before the lynch. The purpose of calling on people to lynch them was to get them to talk. Those that are legitimately afk, and unable to post don't respond to pressure. Those that can, do. So the question is, why weren't you posting before, Aidnai? (And don't tell me "I've been gone on a road trip." As you yourself admitted I was with you. Yet here I am, posting. ) Anyways, this is pretty much textbook. Mafia will respond right away, and be really defensive. Nobody even so much as mentioned my post about lynching one of those three, and yet Aidnai comes with a really defensive tone. It's interesting that he brings up the fact that I ask for his advice sometimes, as evidence that he should be included in the higher bracket of players. I'm sorry, but I don't hold you in the same regard as BC or Flamewheel. I'm not talking about "just good" players. I was pretty clear that I meant really really good players. I won't lynch BC unless there is extremely convincing evidence day one. I wouldn't hold the same true for someone of my skill level though. (Unless it was in a mini with a bunch of noobs or something). Then the finishing touch on the textbook response, he accuses me of being scum. LOL. Chainsaw defense anyone? ##Vote: Aidnai Shut the trap. Except for my first few posts, NONE of my posts have been trolling or spam. They all have a purpose. You just have to look beyond the voice that I'm using. (It's not hard.) | ||
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I don't know, I've not opened it yet! Well hurry up you oaf! Read it out loud now! Hmph. Let's see. I am pleased to inform you that I have discovered the identity of the Walton in the letter. You really are as good as they say...you already found him. His pseudonym is...Aidnai. But listen to me now. I have found far more devious information, and although I'm afraid I may have put myself in danger finding this out, I must tell you: You are in grave danger. I cannot tell how, or when, but. Well. I'd stay away from Bars. You realize what this means? I believe so. We must show the town that he is scum. Yes, but we must also do it quickly. Very quickly. Hmm. I've an idea. We are 100% sure that he is scum, right? Correct. 100%. The letter confirmed our suspicions. So...well. A 1-1 trade benefits the town. Are you suggesting.... Yes my friend. It's been good, but even though our analysis of Aidnai was correct, people aren't listening, and they probably aren't even thinking about the fact that Aidnai just disappeared after that. Yes, that's an excellent point. Aidnai came in, defended himself, accused us of not contributing anything to the thread, and then left. Ironic, isn't it? No, I think that would be Hypocritical, but whatever. The point is we MUST kill Walton/Aidnai, and if that means we die too, then so be it. Hello town. We'd like you to kill Aidnai and | ||
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On August 15 2011 05:02 VisceraEyes wrote: It looks like a very obvious (and very successful) attempt to keep town from ACTUALLY hunting scum. Yes, I believe his nonsense is related to his role...but it's still nonsense guys. Waldon? Mysterious communications with anonymous players? Intrigue? NONE of it is scumhunting. ALL of it is ridiculous. I think he's trying to divert us from real scumhunting by claiming that he's doing so with...whoever. Node, you're smarter than this and I think the fact that you're entertaining this farce is extremely suspicious. I would like to point out that I am the only person thus far who has done any "scumhunting" thus far. (As most "analysis" have been poor and not anything that would set a lynch.) I set the trap for inactive people, and Aidnai jumped in it. Silly VE doens't want to give me the benefit of the doubt. A better question: Why not Aidnai? He's only come in to defend himself, and then dissapeared. Do you dissagree with my analysis of his reaction to my pressure? You will notice that I almost never posted something about Walton by itself. I always gave advice to the town, tried to get people to stop spaming, or commented on some situation, and then, as an addendum, added the Walton stuff on. I did this because I knew that nobody would understand Walton, and that it could NOT be the only thing I contributed. Deconduo: + Show Spoiler + We both arrived at a location that was NOT our respective homes, but had internet, firday night. I received my role PM then, and offered to log out and let him check his. He declined. After that he had a few opportunities to get on, but nothing much until about 3 PM PST. He had about 5 hours to post at that point however, yet he didn't even say Hi. So yes, it's not as strong as if he had been looking all day, but it's still extremely suspicious that after being on for ~5 hours, he responded very quickly to my attack. To those of you who think that I'm a cultist: "Recruiting" Kurumi was an attempt to get him to stop spammign, and make him uesful for the town. You will notice that every public action has the hashtag form, and I have never used that. This means that if I have a recruiting power, it would have to be private, in which case why would I make it public that I was recruiting Kurumi? It makes no sense. I am not a cultist, I amd town. (Oh, and there. I deny being anything other than town. Not so sure what's magical about those words, but if you want them, there they are.) | ||
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Yes, we need to make people accountable for voting someone who is clearly not a lynch candidate. Alright then, let's lay out the facts for the town: Whereas, I am offering a 1-1 trade, Aidnai has confirmed this. 1-1's are a good trade, and we have no better leads atm, AND Whereas, Not lynching someone today is a BAD thing for town, and we need a majority of votes. Let it be resolved: Everyone needs to vote for Aidnai or Kavdragon. Anyone not voting for one of us is doing something anti-town. Jackal Fishball Curu Palmar Syllo LSB Kenpachi BloodyC0bbler Meapak These people need to put there votes on one of us two. | ||
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On August 15 2011 07:37 Palmar wrote: And what happens if you're wrong about Aidnai? Are you going to push for your own lynch? I won't be. Obviously it would be againts my win condition for me to push for my own lynch. I am 100% sure about him. On August 15 2011 07:37 RebirthOfLeGenD wrote: For those of us who have read two posts in the entire thread (including this one) care to elaborate on why one of you is confirmed somethingsomething? On August 15 2011 06:48 Palmar wrote: So I'd like to present you with three options for a lynch today. This should be the focus of discussion until the lynch actually happens. [list] [*] Aidnai - His vote is based on actively lurking and being overly defensive when accused. Here is a short summary from Sandroba: http://www.teamliquid.net/forum/viewpost.php?post_id=10856660 . In addition, Kavdragon breadcrumbed an information role (his sources) and says he's ready to 1-1 trade himself with Aidnai. [*] Kurumi - His vote is based on his constant trolling in the thread, it seems like he is not even attempting to get around the post restriction to contribute. More damning is the things I pointed out in this analysis: http://www.teamliquid.net/forum/viewpost.php?post_id=10841897 [*] Scamp - he's using the same shitty logic Pandain used for shooting a day vigilante shot. He popped into the thread, wrote some random ##Kill thing and the disappeared again after calling us bad. Pandain is "masoned" with Mig, although they need to explain how the lovers role works this game. If Pandain flips town then Scamp should absolutely be the one hanging. On August 15 2011 07:38 Jackal58 wrote: I can't. Somebody kill Kurumi and I'd be happy to. If what you say is true, that sucks. But w/e. | ||
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On August 15 2011 08:44 Mr. Wiggles wrote: Well, I just posted a thing about VE, and actually ##Vote: VisceraEyes I personally don't like the Aidnai lynch very much right now. He made some defensive posts, but I'm not actually sure if they were necessarily scummy. It seems more like he just wants to fight with Kav for some reason. At this point, I'd much rather vote for VE, who: -Made constant, shallow observations about the game -Voted for Kav and was hellbent on lynching him, until -The aidnai wagon started picking up speed and he easily hopped onto that, just dropping his previous convictions about Kav This looks really scummy to me, and a lot like a mafia trying to find the path of least resistance through day 1 by moving along with whatever the most popular bandwagon is at the time. VE is not going to be lynched in the last few hours. It's just not going to happen. I agree he looks scummy, but one thing at a time. Voting him now is hurting the town. Stop it, I've already explained why you should be voting for Aidnai. | ||
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Foolishness, why did you vote Mig? Node, it's come down to it. Vote Aidnai. VE isn't going to get lynched in the last few minutes. | ||
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Interesting. So...I am green. There were certain things that lead me to believe that Aidnai was absolutely scum. Those apparently turned out to be false. Fml. If I die, it's my own fault. Now that I can speak without that voice (for the most part) I will try to contribute as much as I can, without the troll-like stuff included. I will answer any and all questions to the furthest extent that I can without violating the rules. Something good DID come out of this, but it does make me just as mad as you (believe me) that he didn't flip scum. | ||
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On August 15 2011 12:23 redFF wrote: meh, are you now confirmed scum kav? Sigh. I _did_ promise the town a 1-1 trade. I was not trying to deceive the town into fulfilling a secondary win, I was trying to get someone who I was positive was scum lynched. You will note that he was the EVIL twin, no? (Not that I would base everything off of that.) If town lynches me I will have done even more harm to the game, so beyond just playing to win, I will try to survive so that the town doesn't get a 2-0 trade. | ||
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On August 15 2011 12:31 BloodyC0bbler wrote: Now that the lynch as flipped as it has, can people stop being retards now? Because of the lynch, Yes. On August 15 2011 12:29 redFF wrote: tell me exactly why you thought aidnai was scum. Also you understand my apprehention in believing you considering you could be lying about all of this. I've talked to Ver and the most that I can say is "My role PM lead me to believe that Aidnai was my Evil twin, and was Mafia." I wish I could be more specific. I will reiterate that i did NOT do this just to get rid of my evil twin. I did this because I thought it was a sure lynch for town on day one, and that is exactly what the town needed at that point. I'll have to check with mods before I comment on my sanity (Or previous lack there of), but I think it's safe to say that you will see a difference in my posting. | ||
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On August 15 2011 13:00 BloodyC0bbler wrote: you have an evil twin? That you suspected of being mafia? If you have an evil twin wouldn't that suggest that you are both differently alignments, or if nothing else that eliminating your twin is a separate win condition? If so you were playing for your own benefit more than towns. You confuse me. You are making my arguments for me. I have an evil twin, this makes me think that he's not the same alignment as me, and since I am town, that means he is anti-town. (I mean, comeon, what kind of townie is an "evil" twin?) If I were mafia it would make no sense to do what i just did, unless it was a wincon. Killing Aidnai was not a separate win con, otherwise I would have left the game. Also, the mods just informed me that my previous statement that my sanity would influence my posting was incorrect. So pretty much I fail at understanding my role PM. However, I will try to change my voice to be more useful, as hard as that may be. | ||
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On August 15 2011 13:17 Mr. Wiggles wrote: Ok, so did you actually think that what aidnai was posting was scummy, or did you just get blinded by what you thought was confirmed scum and you tunneled the crap out of him? I'm wondering if you actually thought his posts were scummy, or if the primary motivator for his lynch was just your role PM. I honestly thought that his response was scummy. I pressed him harder than I would have otherwise because of my role PM however. I "knew" that he was scum, but had to prove it to you, so I tried to use a "trap". He fell in it just like I thought scum would, and my arguments were completely legitimate and I meant every word that i said in them. The only thing that was different was the that I pushed for his lynch really hard because of my PM. | ||
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On August 15 2011 13:43 BloodyC0bbler wrote: Evil twin? the evil twin flipped town -_-. He even admitted he believed that since aidnai was his evil twin he must be a different alignment? the guy flipped town. Kav based on actions based on his role screams not town -_- Telling the town that we have a gurranteed 1-1 trade is horrible play for mafia, and even worse for SK's. The fact that I thought Aidnai was a different alignment combined with my actions is a town tell. If I were mafia and thought he was town/SK I would want to keep the entire thing quiet. There is no doubt in my mind that neither I, nor Aidnai would have been lynched if it were not for my actions this game. If I were mafia I would not want the town to know that there is a twin style 1-1 trade possibility. If I were SK I would not want to put myself in a position that would make me extremely likely to be lynched. If I were town it makes sense because you don't mind trading 1-1, that is a good trade. 1-1's are only good for town. Not to mention the fact that i'm the implied "Good" twin, not that that's solid proof by any means. | ||
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On August 15 2011 13:54 tnkted wrote: Kav, you need to claim your entire role or you're going to get vigi'd mighty quick. Also... don't we get to see what his role was? I checked with the mods, no. I can't reveal any more than I already have. Chances are SOMEBODY will kill me tonight anyways (mafia or vigs, who knows, maybe both). However, without revealing anything from my role PM I can point out the fact that Aidnai was my twin and presumably had the same role PM as me, except that he was "evil". Despite that he also thought that I was scum enough that he agreed to the 1-1 trade. The obvious implication is that there was something convincing enough for us both, and it was not the fact that he was the "evil" twin since that would obviously implicate the reverse for him. On August 15 2011 22:41 BarBaPoPPa wrote: I don't think Kavdragon is scum. His gambit makes no sense as scum, and occam's razor tells us he's therefore town. Beyond this it's not WIFOM. Wifom is when you start predicting someone's actions while taking account for their knowledge of you, and your probable actions. For instance, A medic knows that the mafia will try to kill someone, so they will try to protect someone that is likely to be killed. That is not wifom. The medic knows that the mafia will try to kill someone, and they know that you will try to pick someone they are likely to shoot. Therefore you should pick someone that you would other wise be unlikely to protect. (On and on in circles as long as you like) I'm may be a fool for my assumption, but I'm not scum. + Show Spoiler + Kurumi was just temp banned for 2 days by Nyovne. That account was created on 2010-04-20 03:31:14 and had 2006 posts. Reason: TL.net Bot was all out of the by you requested reasons. It however did have plenty enough Ban left. Don't mod shop. | ||
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On August 16 2011 14:40 bumatlarge wrote: ##Nuke Kavdragon "Be Strong, Be a Martyr, Be Brown." As the battle rages on, and the nuke becomes reality. This is war...War never changes... Flames come upon me...Flames come upon me. The Man within is scorched. The flames shall cleanse me...Nothing shall stop me now... Nothing... I no longer have conflicts within my soul. For death is imminent. I can now speak without repercussions. My town, forgive me. I disappointed not only myself but the town as a whole. What have I done? What can I claim that benefits the town for the lynch of my twin brother? Alas, even then I cannot speak. The Truth... I may have been invincibly insane in the past but in the present I'm nothing but a sane vulnerable player.. An illusion of greatness... Winning is deceptive.. For it is fleeting.. One moment, you're in the valley, the next you are on the mountain top and get nuked. Does it matter what greatness you've witness on the peaks when you are blinded by the flash of bombs? Maybe so..maybe so.. For that is where one can gain his strength back. In hope that one day, through the sacrifice of a martyr he might one day stand on the peak, and still live. But what martyr can one hope in to be willing to give up his life to save another? Especially to save someone like me who is sane yet unrepairable by all means of psychiatric help.. How would they know if I would behave well just below the mountain top? How would they know that I wouldn't abuse the opportunity given to me? If I were to be saved... I have changed myself.. For my evil desires that lured me into insanity are dead... Was that the way to kill the evil within, or is fire the answer? Will the fire consume the evilness within me and burn it into a crisp? Will this fire birth in me a new desire? A desire that will spread out of me and consume those around me? That they too will be free from there wickedness? Brown Forever, Forever Brown. What can stop this cycle of brownness? A hero is needed, A martyr who is stronger than brown itself, a priest willing to resurrect him whom sacrificed himself. For the hero, the martyr, and the priest shall unit together to form an unstoppable town force that will use fire to burn the impurities from brown earth. For brown is always slaking because it is always dearth. + Show Spoiler + For my last act, I will destroy you all! Behold, Bum made a mistake: Original Message From bumatlarge: Yo. I killed you. That's revenge for the whole mayor thing and Insane 2. You should check out our quick topic, it's pretty hilarious atm. http://www.quicktopic.com/45/H/JcXdB7VdEf8N NOT DEAD YET, NENEMEY! | ||
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Oh well. GG, GL town. One of these days I'll survive to see the second lynch. | ||
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I can take it! I am brave! I will survive all killings! On April 08 2011 12:21 Coagulation wrote: ![[image loading]](http://images.memegenerator.net/instances/500x/9427495.jpg) | ||
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Second, I think that Chez has somehow done the impossible and built up a meta that makes him completely useless. I mean, even if he's being useful, and helping, nobody pays attention to him. I said so many things and tried to help in so many ways but people immediately dismissed my posts because they were in a "Chez" voice. As far as my invention goes, I talked to Sandroba extensively about who I should give it to. He was of course the perfect man to plan with, since I could tell him about my power (not allowed to do it in thread), and because he would know who everyone is. I was hesitant about giving it to him for many reasons, but I trusted that he had a plan, and I was stupid to think that the mafia wouldn't realize how broken his role was, and RB him from then on. I wish I had put in a mechanic that would have allowed him to pass it on to someone else. I'm not entirely sure how the bomberman works, but giving someone who has been talking about his insanity all the time the key word "insane" was so sure of a shot to kill me, I'm not sure why it wasn't just a day vig. I did actually think that Aidnai was mafia, but that was just me being a idiot and making assumptions I shouldn't have made. I'll try to learn from that. | ||
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On August 24 2011 12:48 Scorch[DeltA] wrote: This game looks insanely complicated. Is this usual for a theme'd game? I love the idea of people playing out roles of people who have played for a long time, too bad it didn't work out so well. I would say this is above average because of the posting restrictions. There are games (PYP, Insane, etc.) where there are tons of complicated roles, but the PR's pushed this one over the top. On August 24 2011 01:35 kitaman27 wrote: Not our fault we can't distinguish your town play from your traitor play <3 I looked at his play after I died, and pretty much all he does is look for, find, then out information in the thread. There is NO reason for a townie to do this, there's no reason for mafia to do this. Even before I found out that he was traitor, I knew something was up with BC, and after I knew it became blindingly obvious to me. Maybe it's just that hind-sight, but I thought that BC was a pretty transparent traitor. | ||
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Finally not busy. Overall, you did a lot to influence the game in the short period while you were alive. There were multiple aspects of your play, some of which were very good, and some of which were sub optimal. Overall though, you gave a strong performance, especially considering you had a tough role to play and had severe limitations on what you could tell the town. You executed your strategy well, but lost sight of the overall picture, which caused town to flounder and forget some very important information. In terms of roleplaying, you did a phenomenal job, probably the best performance in the game. On top of that, your posts had an agenda behind them, which I thought was quite cool. If this were a normal game, your actions would have been a good focal point to get the town discussion moving, but unfortunately, the thread was already cluttered by the time you arrived on the scene. Town already had massive amounts of information to deal with, including the Kurumi/Jackal claims as well as Pandain's obvious anti-town actions. I can't blame you for pushing aidnai hard day 1, but the town needed to act on all the pieces of information in the thread and weave together a coherent narrative. Your actions on day 1 definitely distracted the town from important matters, but it certainly isn't your fault for the town's mistake, as from your perspective, you definitely had a lot at stake. On a side note, one error you made was assuming that aidnai was mafia. I understand how the PM wording could have led you to that conclusion, but for the most part it was for flavor. Chezinu is cast as an insane character who has an inner struggle, or civil war, with himself. The intention was just that you two needed to kill each other to activate your powers, as you both had the exact same role. There's really no clear and fast way to arrive at the conclusion that you were both town, but it would be kinda lame if one of you were mafia, as it would be too easy for the mafia Chezinu to just shoot you at night and gain the insanely powerful inventor ability. On the other hand, we didn't really want to suggest that you two were both town, so we tried to leave it ambiguous. It might not have been the best way to do it, but that was our fault. From the perspective of powers, you did the right thing. It would definitely have been a bad idea to wait til day 2 or later to attack aidnai, as that would have a) delayed your invention, and b) distracted the town even further. Your move against aidnai day 1 was certainly a reasonable proposition. You know that you have the inventor power, which is extremely powerful and can definitely give the town a decisive advantage. Unfortunately the invention didn't turn out well, as sandroba was never able to use it. In all honesty, theres no better day to push aidnai's lynch than day 1. If you wait until day 2, that means that the invention cannot be made until night 2, and the player you give it to can't use it until night 3, so its not until day 4 where the results of your invention can impact the town. By then, it may be too late to impact the game in a meaningful way, depending on what happens in the previous 3 days. In addition, you always had to worry about the risk of dying, so getting your invention off ASAP was definitely the correct move. How you did it, however, could have been improved. As a townie, what you're trying to do is maximize the town powers while also keeping the town reasonably focused on the thread. You spent too much time planning your crazy stories around aidnai, which confused the town more than it answered questions. At this point in the game, there are many unanswered questions surrounding Kurumi, jackal, and Pandain, especially with the Kurumi Ban looming in the thread. Your attack on aidnai was not convincing enough to be categorized as a true mafia read, and you took too long to get there, which wasted half the day, as townies were running around wondering if there was really any meaning to your stories. Any clear-thinking townie should have been able to pick up that it was a setup, but your mysterious ways, although brilliant from a flavor perspective, was a more pro-mafia action that spammed up the Pandain action and let him get away. Before your arrival onto the scene, Pandain was picking up a significant number of votes, and this could have severely altered the course of the game. On day 1, you clearly had an agenda - kill aidnai and use your inventor powers before you get shot by the mafia. A very strong plan, especially considering that you believed aidnai to be mafia. However, your plan was too focused around your role and didn't consider the town's needs as a whole. You needed to get aidnai lynched while maintaining clarity in the town rather than mystery. I would have taken a dual pronged approach by pushing both Pandain and aidnai in the thread. You could have still maintained story form, and this would have kept town focused on Pandain while you were still moving on aidnai. A two pronged approach would also have been awkward for the mafia, given Pandain's obviously anti-town actions and the fact that they knew of Pandain's guilt. If you look back at day 1, you'll notice that the mafia instantly bandwagoned on Pandain after his Kurumi ban, and even got some heat for it from townies. But once you popped on the scene, all talk of Pandain quickly died down. The mafia noticed that with the introduction of your attacks on aidnai, they could get away with ignoring Pandain. The mafia knew that nobody was paying attention to the Pandain ordeal, so they could safely abandon the Pandain wagon with the comfort that nobody was actually paying attention. Using a double attack would have benefited the town in two ways. First, this would make the lynch a lot closer, which raises the stakes for the mafia and forces the them into a more active position. Second, it would bait more information out of everyone, as there would be no clear sided lynch. Day 1 discussion pretty much died after the first 6 or so votes on aidnai, and the rest of the day turned into people trying to convince others to vote for aidnai instead of active debate over who was mafia. This represents lost information, as mafia should be a game about debating a lynch, not agreeing on a lynch and then spending the rest of the time convincing (not very strongly opinionated) lurkers to vote for your candidate. In other words, the only opposition to the aidnai lynch was inactivity and complacency, and the lynch could have been described as an "aidnai v. no lynch" lynch. You should have taken advantage of this by turning the situation into an aidnai v. Pandain lynch, which would have drawn much more heated discussion and drawn out more information. Mafia easily got away with lurking this game because of all the distraction that went on. As long as you made it clear that you didn't forget about Pandain's massive screwups, the mafia would not be able to comfortably abandon him, and would be caught between the two conflicting ideas of "should we bus Pandain? to save the rest of the team" or "should we hit the mislynch on aidnai and hope town forgets Pandain?" By making it a one sided lynch, mafia avoided this difficult decision, and was allowed to skate by relatively scot free. Basically, the lack of pressure on Pandain allowed mafia to carry out their agenda without fear of being discovered. A two pronged attack would have benefited everyone. The town would benefit by staying focused on a critical issue, you would benefit from being able to keep aidnai on the center stage, and the mafia would be forced on the defensive and would have to give up either Pandain or information. You wouldn't have been able to both kill Pandain and grab your inventor power, but the choice between having an invention, and having a dead mafia along with a large paper trail is not a very bad choice at all. A pass along clause would be nice. Honestly, I was thinking that he should be allowed to pass on the invention, as it can be considered an "object" and isn't tied to his role. But Ver decided otherwise since it wasn't explicitly stated, and since a list check is a very powerful power. I don't know what was going on in PM land or what information you had regarding sandroba, but from what I can tell, sandroba was PMing too many people and receiving too many roleclaims. The mafia knew about this, so their decision to roleblock sandroba was completely justified. Giving him a list check power is like throwing all your eggs in one basket, in my opinion. | ||
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